ANCYL in scathing attack on reporter

2011-04-05 14:16

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League has launched a public personal attack on a journalist who is suing its spokesperson for hate speech - in its first response since the case started in the Equality Court a week ago.

In an e-mail to the entire media lists of the youth league and the African National Congress, Independent Newspaper reporter Carien du Plessis is described as a liar with "tendencies", without clarifying those "tendencies" are.

ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu's lawyers did not respond in court last Tuesday to charges that he allegedly called her "stupid" and a "white bitch" in text messages exchanged between the two.

But late on Monday night, another African National Congress Youth League spokesperson, Magdalene Moonsamy, emailed the statement about Du Plessis to media houses.

‘Agitation through the media’

"The ANCYL is aware that such allegations are lies and false and confirmed that at no stage has Cde Floyd Shivambu sent her such text messages.

"Those who know Carien du Plessis will be aware of her tendencies and that the allegations that she apportions to Cde Floyd are indeed false and will soon be exposed," said Moonsamy, whose cellphone was switched off on Tuesday morning.

The ANCYL said the case against Shivambu was "once again agitation through the media to spread lies against the leadership of the ANCYL".

The statement was emailed shortly before the youth league sent another statement on a different matter, in which it also attacked the media and called the Press Ombudsman "toothless" and "pathetically useless".

Journalist not commenting

Moonsamy, at the end of the statement about Du Plessis, adds: "We are aware that the case is sub judice and that facts will be presented to the Equality Court and hence, the ANCYL will not entertain the issue further until it [is] before the Equality Court."

Du Plessis referred all queries to her lawyer, who was not immediately available for comment.

The Equality Court last week postponed the matter setting April 13 as the date for Shivambu's lawyers to file papers in response to the allegations.

Shivambu's attorney Andries Nkome said he had not received all the pages of the documents.

Shivambu was served with the papers on February 8 but by last Tuesday, his legal team had not replied to the allegations.

Magistrate Oriel Vele said Shivambu's attorneys had not been "prudent" in dealing with the matter, but that their "sins" should not be visited on their client.

"It will be in the interests of justice to allow him [Shivambu] a voice on the matter," Vele said.
The court expressed "utter disappointment" in the conduct of the respondent and/or his attorney.

"People should learn to treat court proceedings with the respect they deserve," Vele said.

Demands R100 000 in damages

He awarded punitive costs to Du Plessis for Tuesday's court appearance.

Shivambu was present in court.

The complaint dates back to May 18 2010.

Du Plessis alleged that in an SMS exchange between herself and Shivambu, he wrote: "You must learn to respect people. I don't comment on YCL [Young Communist League] issues and please stop being stupid."

He also allegedly wrote: "I wouldn't want to earn respect from white bitches... so dream on."

Du Plessis wants an order declaring that the labels allegedly applied to her by Shivambu constituted hate speech, an order requiring him to issue an unconditional written apology, payment of R100 000 damages and the costs of the suit.

  • ji - 2011-04-05 14:21

    and we are supposed to believe anything the lying , cheating , thieving and uneducated ANCYL have to say , sure .... when pigs fly

      Rob Gunning - 2011-04-05 14:42

      The ANCYL confuses truth with lies and lies with truth and I don't think they know the meanings of the words. Maybe the ANCYL dictionary can shed some light on what is considered to be a lie.

      Smaal - 2011-04-05 14:44

      Malame can fly?!?!? We should be suing him for impersonating a pigeon!

      Foxx - 2011-04-05 15:04

      Can one be a member of the ANCYL and a member of the DA, because I think Floyd and Malema are doing great work for the DA elcetion campaign.

      SaintBruce - 2011-04-05 15:06

      No Smaal - not a pigeon, a gnat! If malema can call Zille a cockroach, then Shivambu has the intelligence of a gnat. And that's saying a lot.

      Rolie - 2011-04-05 15:07

      @Smaal - we should be suing him for impersonating a human being!!

      Eric West - 2011-04-05 15:09

      @ matla - Yeah, he graduated under the "Pass one- pass all" education policy.

      The Observer - 2011-04-05 16:10

      matla. So is the Shaiks. Pity they where caught he, these days it is so easy to get papers from your buddies. Or the new thing honorary degrees to all in the ANC. O and in what did he graduate, thieving?

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-04-05 14:29

    Let technology decide please......Or would technology also have bad TENDENCIES?????

  • Phil - 2011-04-05 14:30

    Eish, it is all lies. If you find anything that could constitute hate speech or racism on my/ malema's phone then it was a set-up. We are not racists, we ONLY hate white people!

  • jdeeathome - 2011-04-05 14:34

    i see it runs down the ranks, do as our leader does

  • Foxx - 2011-04-05 14:45

    RESPECT! None of the ANCYL know that word. How can you tell someone to have respect Floyd, you uneducated stupid worthless idiot!

      buzz - 2011-04-05 15:45

      @ Kgwadi - dude white people don't get upset when you refer to their colour in an apparently derogatory way. That honour is for you and yours. Better think of a new insult.

      The Observer - 2011-04-05 16:01

      buzz. True that.

      Skully - 2011-04-05 16:09

      They only know how to play the race card, at least give him a hint at a new tack!

  • Tired - 2011-04-05 14:45

    Thats right dont stand back for the Ancyl with there tendencies. Hurt them where it hurts them most..there pockets. One less party for comrade Malema. They make me think back of when i was in primary school. If they accused of something its a lie...and they get caught all the time! Atleast chose leaders clever enough to get away with corruption and tendencies.... hahahaha

  • Straight Forward - 2011-04-05 14:47

    Question: How dou you know when an ANCYL member is not telling the truth? Answer: When they open their mouths to speak

  • - 2011-04-05 14:47

    Floyd, say what you mean, and mean what you say. Your organisation is a complete and utter embarrassment to the nation.

  • PMG - 2011-04-05 14:52

    What a bunch of idiots,BTW when does one stop being a youth and start being an adult?I would have thought that if you can conclude corrupt Limpopo muncipal deals - you are an adult,no longer a child,or am i mistaken?

      Ixian - 2011-04-05 15:00

      I think it goes according to the highest grade you passed at school. If it's only Grade 8 then you are still classified as a youth.

  • Dave - 2011-04-05 14:53

    you have the "tendancies" to talk a load of shite. have any of you seen one of thes character in the YOUTH league do anything contructive lately? Any feel good stories, maybe helping the youth? helping out the community? Anything? please can someone let me know.

      Russell Dunbar - 2011-04-05 15:00

      Yes,the ANCYL's image needs a seriaas overhaul.

  • cr1t - 2011-04-05 14:55

    I don't really see what he said as hate speech, rude yes.

  • McFreak - 2011-04-05 14:55

    We have dejavu here!! Disregard for the judiciary, the constitution, the right to dignity..all going out of the window and down the drain! Plundering, looting and debauchery is the name of the game here until all that is left is the shell of what could have been a monument to decency, prosperity and peace. VIVA Anarchy Nepotism Corruption!!!!!

      ian.d.samson - 2011-04-05 15:16

      ANC = "Arrogance, Nepotism, Corruption" according to former DA leader, Tony Leon. Also, "Association of National Criminals"

      Other Justin - 2011-04-06 10:13

      ANC = African National Circus, full of African National Clowns.

  • wduv - 2011-04-05 14:55

    Just imagine a South Africa without the ANCYL!

      mark59 - 2011-04-05 15:39

      What a pleasure..but then what will laugh about when the zoo is gone.

  • Homo-Sapien - 2011-04-05 14:55


      Other Justin - 2011-04-06 10:11

      I would like to add, the ANC is not only anti white, they are anti white, anti coloured, anti indian AND EVEN ANTI BLACK! They do not care about anyone in this country except for the elites contents of their pockets and how full they are of South African's money. THEY ARE ANTI-SOUTH AFRICA!

  • Meanleader - 2011-04-05 14:59

    Hmmmmm. It wasn't me !!!!!!! Sounds familiar !!!!

      tryanything - 2011-07-14 12:26

      Ja I didnt know my mouth was loaded

  • John Clark - 2011-04-05 15:00

    Viva, The Young Liars Viva!

  • Darkie - 2011-04-05 15:01

    The Comrades of ANCYL are leading our organisation to hell....... It`s all about them They are never wrong It`s all about race........ The are failing to attend to issues that matter`s most

  • urbanice - 2011-04-05 15:02

    What ever happened to one is inoccent untill proven otherwise, people lets wait for a legal decison to be taken by the court and from there we can start spreading hate speech but untill than reserve your comments.

      mark59 - 2011-04-05 15:36

      what planet are you living on... Wake up urbanice..some people do read and see the facts you know.

      TumaK - 2011-04-05 15:45

      Because that viewpoint does not count when your own party runs the justice system...

      Other Justin - 2011-04-06 10:08

      Dude, it is like saying, 'the devil is innocent until proven guilty....'. We all know Floyd and the other teletubbies are a bunch of racist, immoral criminals. They are a disgrace to South Africa and should sent to Zimbabwe to live with mad Bob, their hero or anywhere else that isn't here.

      zumalema - 2011-04-06 13:38

      What happens when they are never bought to book? Case in point: Their esteemed leader, JZ. When you own the judiciary, who can stand against you?

  • daaivark - 2011-04-05 15:03

    It wasn't me..... Stock response that carries no weight anymore. It has become a standard opening phrase for almost any ANC or ANCYL utterance. QUite frankly, I think Shivambu has managed to make both himself and Malema a laughing stock, even amongst erstwhile supporters, and if Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dum carry on in this vein they will irreparably split the Youth League. So carry on, comrade. Viva idiocy. Viva arrogance.

      mark59 - 2011-04-05 15:37

      Spot on my daaivark..could not have said it better myself.

      tryanything - 2011-07-14 12:27

      culture thing ...none...

  • devils_advo - 2011-04-05 15:10

    If you got to the ANCYL's website the following statement occurs "Every Youth League Member An Organizer, A Commissar ....." An organiSer of what... Sweet F**k-all... Floyd has the largest chip on his shoulder and he must suffer the consequences of his actions. On a lighter note... Why are zulus like Floyd always so upset? well wouldnt you be if your website was pronounced "Zulu dot coza"

      John Clark - 2011-04-05 15:18

      At last look it also had their motto as "Fight. Produce. Learn." - one imperative followed by two optional extras.

  • JuliusAunt - 2011-04-05 15:15

    white bicthes good enough to eat sushi from....

  • SaintBruce - 2011-04-05 15:26

    If the matter is before a court and is 'sub judice', how can the spokesperson for the ANCYL make a public statement about the facts or merits of the case and present a 'fact' that is still to be determined by a court of law? This is a clear breach of protocol and the justice system! This person and the defendant ( Shivambu) should be found guilty of contempt of court! This is an attempt to influence a court process - despicable.

      Boychild - 2011-04-05 16:30

      @SB, sorry but didn't you realise that the laws and systems of this country do not apply to these Tribalistic Royalty who claim their fame by being populist and controversial, thereby intimidating the majority of their clan with their appearance of greatness.

  • Jason - 2011-04-05 15:30

    ANCYL beg for this type of attention!!

  • buzz - 2011-04-05 15:46

    Oi Floyd - isn't Floyd a white tendency name?

      maseratifitt - 2011-04-05 20:21

      a Pink tendency.

  • Rohan Nish - 2011-04-05 15:50

    ANCYL are a complete and utter joke, why don't you rather stick to what you are qualified to do, hanging out in the bush playing with sticks!!!

  • TumaK - 2011-04-05 15:52

    The ANCYL are are bunch of nitpicking little children. That is way their statements are always insulting the person directly. They can't use adult methods of diplomacy and debate.

  • UncleFester - 2011-04-05 15:55

    The SMS's were typed "out of context"...............

  • Ben - 2011-04-05 16:04

    1. Gun it. If you can get some money from these idiots do it. 2. I hate being Politically Correct. I want to call who ever what I want and they should have the same right. People are offended way to easily these days.

  • barkers - 2011-04-05 16:05

    Carien du Plessis... You go girl! Show them what a "white bitch" is truly made of!! RESPECT!!

  • clifford.pike1 - 2011-04-05 16:07

    I read about this story on Daily Maverick, a few days ago. Stephen Grootes wrote a good article about it. Floyd would deny that today is Tuesday. He would deny that we live in South Africa. he would deny anything and everything, as long as the end justifies the ANCYL's means. Floyd, Julius and that Moonsamy woman were made for each other. The amount of pigswill that slops from their mouths every time they talk is astounding. What is more pathetic than the lies, trash, hate and other forms of negativity spewed by the ANCYL? Well, I'd have to say their supporters.

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-04-05 16:24

    Floyd uncorked...Bwahahahahahahahah!!!

  • MactheKnife - 2011-04-05 16:29

    Magdalene is it you who said Malema is a nice guy, get your head read lady because you are suffering from ANCYL syndrome.

  • willieman - 2011-04-05 17:13

    No substance Bishop Tutu talked about "Do not shout improve your argument"but i doubt if they ever listen to anyone who talks sense.To show that they do not understand they even attack all the sectors of goverment.God help us all this so called young lions should never occupy any position of responsibility

  • Revolution1 - 2011-04-05 19:59

    Shivambu..what an arrogant, racist and sexist elitist you really are. Above the Law or blissfully ignorant? Your reactions to what has been said in the media, shows that you are the liar(Shivambu), and how dare you insult the South African public with your arrogance. Who do you think you are anyway, in the greater scheme of things history will most likely remember you as a disgrace to the rainbow nation. I look forward to the day you and your cronies fall from grace, but unlike you...the South Afican public would not spit in your face.

      devils_advo - 2011-04-05 21:04

      cos he is a twat... come floyd, please sue me for hate speech...

      Blackup - 2011-04-06 09:31

      You totally missed it! Du Plessis sues for hate speech not Floyd!

      Other Justin - 2011-04-06 10:02

      @Blackup, are you drinking this early in the morning? What the hell does you comment even mean? Another stupid comment from an ANCYL supporter. FAIL!

      Blackup - 2011-04-06 10:27

      @ Other Justin: You still lived with parents dont you?

  • iamninja - 2011-04-06 08:27

    Take him to the cleaners and expose these racist bastards!

  • iamninja - 2011-04-06 08:28

    Surely they can get the sms records like any other case.......?

  • leeupan - 2011-04-06 08:33

    I really hope that she will succeed in her application.

  • Blackup - 2011-04-06 09:28

    I just want to know from one thing from all the white complainants that have commented on this article: Where the hell where you all when we were oppressed during apartheid!?? Its so easy to talk slick now while you sat and enjoyed the benefits back in the day! The only thing i hear is hate and how uneducated the ANCYL should know coz you starved them of the education the y needed. Yet they got to where they are. Its says a lot about you, dont you think!!?!? What your excuse for being uneducated????

      Other Justin - 2011-04-06 09:59

      Do you want to know where I was during apartheid, you MORON, I was in primary school. I was a little child. Where were my parents during apartheid? They were busy VOTING 'YES' during a referendum to un-ban the ANC, release Madiba and allow free and fair elections, in other words an end to apartheid. A good question would be WHERE WERE YOU? Dumb ass.

      Juan - 2011-04-06 10:04

      Ag shame. Julius I am sure was starved of an education. But I wonder how he got where he are? Underhanded deals, corruption?? The things that comes out Julius's mouth is unbelievable, but it seems to have the support of the majority of youth in this country, and this new paradigm seems to be leading the way to the future of this country. A very bleak future at best.

      Blackup - 2011-04-06 10:14

      @Other Justin: Seeing that name-calling is what you know best, go find a small mind like yours to tickle your nipples! If your so concerned and your momma fought to have Madiba released why dont you start your political party and we see how you will run things. #MORON...dumb ass...are those things in your trousers!

      Jane - 2011-04-06 16:28

      You are totally not getting the picture. Everyone here wants a corruption free equal society where everyone lives in peace and can concentrate on fighting real life problems like poverty, HIV, unemployment. jokers like Julius Malema cloud that vision for everyone concerned. They soil that glimmer of hope inside everyone that reads about his outbursts. Is this guy good for this country. the Answer is simple. He creates more harm than healing and characters like him scare alot of investment out of the country and in a way "'destabalise"' the country. Julius Malema represents the same extreme mentality as Mugabe, Terblanche, Gaddaffi...SA has come so it in the countries best interests to back this donkey? I SAY NOT!

  • Other Justin - 2011-04-06 09:56

    Anyone for the 'taken out of context' excuse, anyone, going once, going twice, SOLD, to the oxygen thief and his uneducated, racist and criminal organisation, the African Notorious Corruption Young Lies. VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!!!

      Blackup - 2011-04-06 10:19

      Its easier talking smack behind a pc instead of moving suthin! Take a stand, blow a horn, start a party, save a life, improve a life, educate someone. Thats how you start a revolution.

      Achmed - 2011-04-06 11:04

      @Blackup: The lone voice in the jungle of Anarchy Nepotism Corruption.

      zumalema - 2011-04-06 13:43

      @Blackup - WTF! You want more revolution???? How about some hard work and get the country right?

      MathysTheart - 2011-04-06 19:28

      Is it just me or don't these people know what a revolution is. A revolution is: to protest against or remove with violence, the ruling party. So Yes, we need a revolution

  • Hardtalk - 2011-04-06 10:03

    When are they going to disband this load of rabble that only spread hatred and racism? Their leader is an uneducated idiot who will one day be the countries president. God help us all.

  • Wildebeest - 2011-04-06 11:18

    Lets split the country! Blacks you get from Bloem north and whites you get the rest south. We can then see who has the ability to govern and we can leave the ANCYL to do as they please.

      Wilfred - 2011-04-06 12:25

      Go back where you come from and split that country not in Africa

  • marden - 2011-04-06 12:50

    i would like to debate with malema (use his peanut brain as de-bait on my fishing hook to catch da beeg feesh)

      MathysTheart - 2011-04-06 19:30

      Never debate with a idiot. He'll only pull you to his level and beat you with experience.

  • Rustum X - 2011-04-06 13:26

    The ANC should be proud in the way its dumbing of the youth is working. The ANCYL is the epitome of the ideal population that any government dreams of. They are easily manipulated and if they stick their necks out, they incriminate themselves completely. We are all almost there.

  • JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-06 15:18

    and nothing will come off this.

  • Jane - 2011-04-06 16:18

    MALEMA- the only downfall of the ANC!!! How can the ANC associate themselves with this tyrant? He is the next Mugabe or Gaddaffi ( Whichever repulses you more! Get rid of him he is dragging the party down? What does the ANCYL achieve anyway? Apart from constant bad press and scaring hald the entrepreneurs and investors out of the country. GET RID OF THE LOT I SAY- ANCYL OUT!!!! SHUT THE DOOR ON THEM ZUMA they are wrecking the security of this country.

  • Graham - 2011-04-07 11:57

    It really galls me to even waste time on the likes of Shivambu, Malema and their cohorts, but I feel strongly that someone from the real ANC-those that fought so that they would be free to spout their inanities and race-hate- should read them some of the pre-1994 history. Their main attraction to the black youth is their continuing playing of the race card and attacks on Helen Zille. It is conveniently over-looked by the ANC hierarchy that Helen Zille was prominent in the Black Sash and as an anti-apartheid journalist, attacking the Government of the day when it certainly was not a good thing to do if you valued your freedom. These were the people who put their heads on the block so that Malema and his ilk have the freedom to spout their garbage. While they are handing out history lessons they would do well to read them a chapter or two from Animal Farm, if that’s not too close to home! They may even perceive the irony of it all, although I doubt it.

  • Stanley Black - 2011-06-17 15:08

    Stories like this one are issues that affect every South African. As a result I feel the best way to deal with them is with the sharing of opinion and thereafter the debate of said opinion. In the spirit of us we have created an opinion and debate site called WECANDOBETTER.CO.ZA. Submitting articles is easy and requires no registration. The forum system is just as easy to use and you can sign in as a guest or use your TWITTER or FACEBOOK accounts to log into it

  • Indieblaize - 2011-07-14 21:10

    Strange that any comment which is true or seen as little "controversial" is either not accepted or deleted. Why do I even bother???

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