ANCYL official facing public violence charge

2011-09-05 20:29

Johannesburg - A charge of inciting public violence has been laid against Limpopo ANC Youth League secretary Jacob Lebogo, the Democratic Alliance said on Monday.

Lebogo was allegedly identified as a ringleader of a violent protest outside the ANC's Luthuli House headquarters last week during a disciplinary hearing of ANCYL president Julius Malema and his executive.

"According to my information, the gatherings organised by ANCYL supporters were illegal," said Gauteng DA spokesperson John Moodey.

He said the ANCYL had not sought permission to protest in terms of the Gatherings Act, which was a criminal act.

Moodey laid the charge at the Johannesburg Central police station on Monday.

"Damage to public property is estimated to run in the millions and the devastating knock the economy of the CBD took due to the disruption of business cannot be left unchallenged," he said.

The ANC has brought Malema and ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu before a disciplinary committee for comments about helping to bring about regime change in Botswana.

Also before the disciplinary committee are ANCYL league deputy president Ronald Lamola, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa, his deputy Kenetswe Mosenogi, and treasurer general Pule Mabe.

They have been charged with deliberately disrupting meetings and interfering with the orderly functioning of the organisation, and prejudicing the integrity or repute of ANC, its personnel or its operational capacity.

Last week, protesters at the hearing pelted policemen and journalists with stones after Lebogo spoke.

The ANCYL's Limpopo chairperson Frans Moswane has denied that the rampage was triggered by Lebogo's speech.

Moswane told the SABC: "It cannot be correct that when there were stones, the stones came from Limpopo. There were stones everywhere."

Warrant Officer Lorraine van Emmerik confirmed that a case had been opened.

"I can confirm the case was opened this morning [Monday]," she said.

  • marco - 2011-09-05 20:34

    It's never been adequately answered whether or not Malema speaks on his own or with the backing from senior leaders of the ANC.Hardly a day goes by in South Africa that the ANC Youth League or its President Julius Malema has not been on News24 or somewhere else.This Julius Malema fella has been featured in the front page profile article from the "Mail and Guardian",a front page article in the "Sunday Independent",on numerous radio interviews--including Talk Radio 702 and Five FM. He has a rap sheet roughly twice as long as Mandela spent in prison from hosting wild parties in northern Johannesburg that reportedly rage late into the evening and are fueled by alcohol and sex,being involved in several court cases in front of the Equality Court,being accused of hate speech,said that the woman who accused Zuma of rape in 2006 "had a nice time",said that those who excuse racism are criminals who deserve to be shot,said that South Africa should nationalize the country's mines for extra revenue and that the Freedom Charter says that,was stopped once by traffic officials for speeding on the road between Polokwane and Seshego and then had the nerve to berate them and asked:"Do you know who I am?". The only reason this Malema does what he does is because poor people in SA are fascinated by him and his outlandish statements,which in turn sell newspapers and draw listeners.Malema is one hell off a ambitious twat that seeks the SA Presidency. Question:Where is Mr Zuma on a these issues?

      Dave - 2011-09-05 20:44

      Great comment, but we all know the answer on Zuma dont we......running very scared. Malema is a master manipulator, to write him off as a fat jelly baby would be a very serious mistake

      Thandi - 2011-09-05 21:31

      Shagging anything with a pulse.

      letsee - 2011-09-05 21:57

      A man that organizes a protest s responsible for its outcome. If found guilty, Jacob Lebogo must pay for the damages. One can't organize protests without accoutability for the outcome. Jacob Lebogo, Malema and other are used to do what they want because they were never made accountable. I wonder if this time it will be different.

      daaivark - 2011-09-06 08:33

      Thandi. True, but how is that even vaguely relevant in this case?

      PB - 2011-09-06 09:20

      @Vark - Thandi was giving an answer to Marco's question "WHERE is Mr Zuma on these issues".

      CyberDog - 2011-09-06 12:24

      Melema is a smoke screen for zuma, so that he can f*ck everyone in the ar$e with laws, and removal of human rights, while they are all staring in fascination at melema's antics.

  • youngSAdude - 2011-09-05 20:37

    Good! Pay up, and get out.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-05 22:00

      - Not sure why the DA is getting involved with this spat between the Anc and it's youth league. I have always admired the DA's approach of watching the Anc's blundering from the sidelines and not going head to head bashing with them. Surely it should have been up to the Anc to lay these charges and muddy their own causes ? This is an Anc problem - let them sort it out and pay the price for allowing the YL to run rampant.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-06 08:26

      I agree with young and DA, the ANC has had a chance to lay charges, but they did nothing. This concerns the whole JHB CBD not just ANC structures.

      PB - 2011-09-06 09:26

      @cliffarc the DA is getting involved on behalf of their voters. It is not only ANC members who had to deal with the disruption and damage caused by the hooligan-club. At the end of the day, we know the ANC does not have the best track record of actually following through with attempts to discipline their own.

  • Darter - 2011-09-05 20:45

    I like the DA and everything, and I even voted for them. But goodness sake these people love laying charges.....left, right and centre. Hope it works out for them.

      Dave - 2011-09-05 20:49

      What else can they do? At least someone is trying to do something?

      crackerr - 2011-09-05 21:06

      Good to have a record in future of what efforts were made to achieve a non-discriminatory, non-racist application of law enforcement and co-operation. Very potent evidence in international criminal and civil proceedings. Also in local proceedings. You have to attempt to make use of the obviously available legal processes before trying to make use of the more direct, civil urgent procedures. Every little bit helps.

      jannie.beirowski - 2011-09-05 21:12

      The crimes are committed left, right and centre and since you do not charge the criminals, someone must act on your behalf. Are you suggesting we just ignore the crimes, then it will go away? Then they will not just carry on igniting all the damages caused by their followers? I hope it works out for you to.

      Welleducated - 2011-09-06 07:03

      2 thumbs up. The reason charges are laid is because the ANC simply do not care about anything except themselves. If they cared about everyone in SA, they would work with the DA and the public, but they won't. Well done DA, exposing corruption and total incompetence in the ANC to the public, but what we see is only the tip of a HUGE problem. WikiLeaks at least got some of the government secrets exposed.

      sushi - 2011-09-06 08:34

      DA stop playing opportunistic politics,da*****mmmmm

      FatherGoose - 2011-09-06 14:57

      @sushi - so they should wait until it's too late to lay charges?

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-06 15:21

      Darter, you hit right on the nail. They make all sorts of noise to get noticed and have a track record of opposing everything the ANC does. In the end those charges don't make a difference.

  • GH - 2011-09-05 20:46

    Thank you DA. the cANCer obviously did not have the balls.

  • Matthew-James - 2011-09-05 20:46

    "It cannot be correct that when there were stones, the stones came from Limpopo. There were stones everywhere." This makes no sense. 'Nough said.

      Charlie - 2011-09-05 21:05

      Nothing about the anc makes sense!

      Sit-hole - 2011-09-05 21:09

      Shame man, the guy must have not thought more than 30sec for that excuse..... He tried his best.

      Taboo - 2011-09-06 07:29

      I read that sentence 3 times, and still could not fathom what the hell was tryng to be said........

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-06 07:31

      get a geologist to look at the rocks and find the source

      tikido - 2011-09-06 09:05

      when I read that, I dindt know if I should have laugh or feel embarass.

  • abby moegs - 2011-09-05 21:19

    Lets the root of the problems. Go to: "Loose Cannon"

  • abby moegs - 2011-09-05 21:22

    Lets look for the root of the problems. Go to: "Loose cannon"

      william.botha - 2011-09-05 21:47

      Yeah, well said, but not well done.

  • Voorvel - 2011-09-05 21:28

    Ja, Boytjie. At last you are going to feel the brunt of discipline - the first time in your life..... Tsotsi!!!Klagobeta Wena!!

  • nic - 2011-09-05 21:36

    This is beautiful... I knew their arrogance and lack of education will be their downfall. Nobody needs racist, militant wannabe schoolboys to ruin everything the rest of the population are trying build.

  • william.botha - 2011-09-05 21:43

    The ANCYL are committing political blackmail, the way I see it, there will be only one way forward. Because the current leadership have allowed themselves to become victims of blackmail through their own doings, they cannot undo the conspiracy, because they have become trapped in it. So the main focus of the current leadership is remaining in power, and the defaint Julias Malema will walk away with a public reprimand, of the lighter kind, because the youth who can swing the vote lacked the leadership that should have come from the ANC, but never did, and they are now following the "revolutionary" engineer of violence and anarchy with the delusion that they will benefit in the end.

      william.botha - 2011-09-05 21:45

      Time is neigh for departure to greener pastures.

  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-05 21:44

    These 'young delinquents' (i.e. 30 years old with an 8 year old's education' - must feel the brunt of authority's discipline. I hope he has to spend time in jail - an 'o-ring adjustment'!

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-05 21:45

      education' = education)

  • Sean - 2011-09-05 22:04

    I am beginning to think (and I hope its not just wishfull thinking) that everybody is underestimating JZ's political wyliness. I like to think that JZ has used JM, that for the past couple of years he has been playing out the rope allowing JM to hang himself politically. Knowing that to simply chuck JM out will not be enough as JM can be a bigger threat outside the party, thus we suddenly have the interest of the Hawks, the Public Protector and SARS. First take away his platform then immediately remove his werewithall AND send a message to the others that may go think of rallying behind him. Lameduck prez JZ may be, but I think politically the Prez is 3 steps ahead. I think JM may just find himself bringing a knife to a gunfight. The guy who thought he was a player being played by a master. I like to think that on his incarceration as he is bent over, "pappa" will whisper into his ear "Msholozi sends his regards".

      william.botha - 2011-09-05 22:28

      I hope you're right.

      B Rabbit - 2011-09-06 06:29

      I believe that is what the US's opinion of Zuma is, politically cunning (well at least according to wikileaks.)

  • Powering Africa - 2011-09-05 23:40

    Well done DA - at least someone has the balls to stand up to these ANCYL thugs & goons, and hold them to account for their criminality & disrespect for public order, public officers & the right for law-abiding people to carry on their businesses & lives without risk of violence.

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-09-06 04:13

    WONDERFUL. Make sure you get the right results. Tannie Helen, it is OK to lift your skirt. We love your balls of steel!!!!!

  • Ricardo mafuna - 2011-09-06 08:02

    the question i have is why does the DA get its self involved in ANC internal matter?sge`s got plenty of things to do in cape,like tajing of areas like Gugulethu,Khayelitsha,than sticking her nose where it is not needed.

      daaivark - 2011-09-06 08:36

      It's not an internal matter when people behave that way in public.l Then it is a public matter. Surely that is obvious.

      tikido - 2011-09-06 09:09

      ur comment is so like a typical malema

      Moi1980 - 2011-09-06 14:29

      It stopped being "anc internal matters" when the thugs started vandalising private property and attacking journalists and police. They have only themselves to blame.

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-06 08:16

    At least the DA puts their money where their mouth is - they are not spineless critters. Take note leaders of our country - "honourable" ANC - right now there is nothing honourable about your leadership.

  • scipio - 2011-09-06 08:25

    so malema manages to get himself in power. then what? the sausage fingered moron would take to the world stage with the likes of cameron or obama. can you imagine the laughter. debate?? this greasy fat toe rag needs taking down fast. very fast.

  • tikido - 2011-09-06 08:38

    D.A is doing wht they think is right for South Africa, now upto South Africans to stand up and do what good for them selves

  • Charles - 2011-09-06 08:50

    I start to believe that there is Limpopophobia, Why our leaders are being accused of Disruptions.

      jacquisw - 2011-09-06 09:07

      Because they are disrupting.... wow that really should not be hard to fathom.

      tikido - 2011-09-06 09:11

      I also start to believe there is a lack of human moral with your leaders

      Succubus - 2011-09-06 13:11

      Um, lets see, because they are causing disruptions maybe?

  • Collitjies - 2011-09-06 08:57

    Lock up the entire youth league from Malema down, that should shut them up for some time, which will also keep their dirty fingers out of the cookie jar to put an end to wild booze parties. Then the rest of the country can get on with normal lives

  • P-JB - 2011-09-06 10:39

    Does anyone out there believe this case will go to court and that he will be sentenced if found guilty? Does no one find it strange that with all the police presence during the riots that so few arrests (if any) were made by the police? Even a week after the event I have still not heard of any arrests being made, only that they were “investigating” (and we all know that this means NOTHING will be done). Everything was caught on camera but our police, as usual, either don’t want to do their jobs or cannot do their jobs. Must the perpetrators of crime arrest themselves? What a joke.

  • justmejoe - 2011-09-06 11:34

    Skiet net vrek en beweeg an

  • vusi22 - 2011-09-06 11:42

    ANCYL IS THE BUFOON.Malema must be taken to the political school. does he have matric?

  • TDK1 - 2011-09-06 13:41

    Let me guess. Simelane will be the prosecutor this time.

  • TDK1 - 2011-09-06 13:43

    But why only now such charges are laid. What about unions that organised marches that turned to violence?

  • abg100 - 2011-09-06 14:16

    Nothing will come of it- the ancyl have the rule of the roost! They make and break as they please! Bad brand image for Johnnie walker-they should sue!

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  • gugu sheszi - 2011-09-10 23:25

    a case of arson is very serious. whoever committed needs to face law. How can u burn the ANC FLAG

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-10 23:33

      Easily. It should be burnt, but you guys are too simple to realise that the ANCrime Syndicate is evil and does not have your interests at heart. They are thieves!

  • gugu sheszi - 2011-09-10 23:30

    we voted for the ANC, not these bullies, who want to become outlaws. otherwise we gonna keep our votes next time

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