ANCYL unhappy with public rebuke

2011-08-02 20:37

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League is "disappointed" at the public rebuke it received from ANC spokesman Jackson Mthembu over its comments on Botswana, it said on Tuesday.

"In true principle of organisational democracy, which guide the ANC and its relationship to the ANCYL, public condemnation just do not happen, particularly on political issues that require discussions [sic]," spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement.

He said Mthembu should have discussed the matter with the ANCYL before publicly condemning it.

The rebuke came after the ANCYL said it was sending a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and was undermining the African agenda.

In a statement, Mthembu said the ANC wanted to "totally reject and publicly rebuke the ANCYL on its extremely thoughtless and embarrassing pronouncements on 'regime change' in Botswana...".

This was a total deviation from and an affront to ANC policy, he said.

Imperialist dominance

On Tuesday, Shivambu said the ANC never "shied away from progressive internationalism".

This included associating with "progressive formations" around the world and opposing those whose values were contrary to those of the ANC.

"The ANC Youth League takes a practical programme of liberating the people of Botswana from imperialist dominance."

Shivambu said evidence showed that the Botswana government "openly embraced imperialism" and was a "potential security threat to the entire African continent".

The ANCYL did not believe its position on Botswana was contrary to ANC policy.

Shivambu also took a swipe at Public Enterprise Minister Malusi Gigaba over his comments on the nationalisation of mines.

On Monday, Gigaba told an American Chamber of Commerce breakfast that the government was aware of the harm the debate on nationalisation was doing to South Africa's image, but it would not implement unconstitutional measures.


"The ANCYL is relieved that at last Mr Gigaba, who never held a political view on any issue before, now has courage to speak about nationalisation of mines, although with the wrong approach, vigour and very wrong information," said Shivambu.

He said that unlike some people who had led the ANCYL for many years and never had any impact, this generation had placed economic transformation on the ANC's agenda.

Gigaba is a former ANCYL president.

"The only thing known about some people is government flowers, which have nothing to do with the national democratic revolution and the Freedom Charter," said Shivambu.

In 2007, Gigaba undertook to repay the home affairs department for flowers bought for his wife at government expense. He was the deputy minister of home affairs at the time.

"Former leaders of the ANC Youth League carry a responsibility and obligation to at all times robustly engage with the youth league, and avoid throwing insults and undermine processes of discussing nationalisation of mines," said Shivambu.

He said the ANCYL would ask to meet with Gigaba "to take him through basics of nationalisation of mines".

  • THE.SRG - 2011-08-02 20:46

    "In true principle of organisational democracy, which guide the ANC and its relationship to the ANCYL, public condemnation just do not happen, particularly on political issues that require discussions [sic]," spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement.......if this is the case should the ANCYL not have 'discussed' their plan to send people there with the ANC in the first place?

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-02 20:48

      you're a bloody idiot Floyd!....if you think Botswana is gonna take your cr@p you very mistaken!

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-02 20:57

      Botswana GDP is growing 8% a year - leave the Floyd they are heading in the right direction.

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-02 20:58

      I meant leave them..

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-02 21:06

      he complains that they should have discussed the issue before publicly rebuking them but who discussed the plan that juliaas came up with to the ANC...they think the a law unto themselves...but who can blame since the ANC are so week that they cant control their own little monster

      Politicallycorrect - 2011-08-02 21:11

      Tough takkies you punks and thugs!!!

      Lestor - 2011-08-02 21:15

      I wonder if the ANCYL realize interfering with other countries affairs is "Imperialist"

      DoublySalmon - 2011-08-02 21:21

      Zimbabwe needs additional $73 m aid for food and Botswana doesn't. The government "in full co-operation with imperialists and was undermining the African agenda" seems to be able to feed their own people.

      squeegeepilot - 2011-08-02 21:40

      Juliass Ceasar Malenema wants to invade Botswana to rape and pillage the diamond mines. Please let him go. Give him a horse or a bicycle and wish him well. Let him invade through Chobe and lets hope he will become a (rather fatty) snack for a lion.

      Thouca - 2011-08-02 21:49

      wot a circus.....pls cyril, tokyo,jz, somebody...put an end to this stale joke !.......

      Creeky - 2011-08-02 22:04

      m pretty sure Botswana's CI will have the names of the ANCYL members by now.... and apprehend them at the Airport/Border when they arrive on that country's territory.. THROW THEM IN THE SLAMMER and THROW THE KEY AWAY!

      cliffarc - 2011-08-03 00:09

      - The ploy of allowing their youth league so much freedom to mouth off, is having a nasty outcome for the Anc. Already they are remonstrating with their masters and soon they will be dictating. The seeds of destruction, planted by the Anc are about to be reaped. And Zuma remains silent.

      rosemari - 2011-08-03 04:43

      The problem with the ANC and its youth.... there is no communication between them at all. If there was, Melema wouldnt spews all the crap that he does. The ANCYL should go back to school and learn the true history of this country as well as the politics its people stand for and not try to make their own.The excuse they are doing it for the poor is absolute rubbish it all for their own gain ...they are all power hungry and greedy

      chris.debeer1 - 2011-08-03 05:49

      I have met zim, mozambic, somali ect refugees But never a Botswana one so clearly they are not in line with the rest of starving Africa. Prince Malema beliefes they are doing something wrong. He and his mates clearly belief Economic freedom = starvation and refugee status. The tail must stop wagging the dog!! If ANC had any courage the would have stoped this madness long ago

      charlesaduplessis - 2011-08-03 06:50

      Who left the Creche gate open.. please round up these babies, change their nappies and make them sit in a corner.. leave the real bussiness for grown ups whom can at least speak English oh and go re write that woodwork paper

      czovczov - 2011-08-03 07:51

      With these ignorant pronouncements on Botswana and Zimbabwe, these ANCYL Muppets have now exported their ignorance and become a real threat to regional peace and stability. Are there no elders in ANC with enough conviction and courage to confront and discipline these ill-mannered kids? We know Jacob Zuma’s hands are tied seeing these muppets stood by him during his rape trial and fight against Mbeki and he somehow feels indebted to them, but surely there must be other people in ANC with enough power and authority to confront Malema and his henchmen. True democracy should not confine people to support liberation movements alone. You would think these retards learnt a lesson from the mistakes of ZANU PF in Zimbabwe, but no, they blindly follow the same path of destruction. Can a blind man lead another? YES - for few steps before they both fall off a cliff.

      ReThan - 2011-08-03 09:12


      Mr_Red - 2011-08-03 09:17

      C'mon man, anybody who has had the pleasure of watching an ANCYL press conference only needs look at the clowns beind the MICS to know that there is zero education or thought process behind any of the statements. I'd be interested to know how the likes of Julius and his merry men came through the ranks of the ANCYL - clearly being educated in politics, economics, or linguistics is not a mandatory requirement. Being blatantly racist clearly is!

      Gomez - 2011-08-03 09:54

      Hey Floyd...Next time you read a statement try looking at the crowd from time to time.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 11:15

      Biggest problem is - the SA voters did NOT vote the youth league into a policy-making position. Even bona fide ANC supporters should be concerned about this.

      Together - 2011-08-03 11:38

      "On Tuesday, Shivambu said the ANC never "shied away from progressive internationalism". This included associating with "progressive formations" around the world and opposing those whose values were contrary to those of the ANC." I wonder if "progressive internationalism" is the new term for colonialism - probably coined in China?

      Mr. B - 2011-08-03 12:15

      Another "Flloydian Slip" - "potential security threat to the entire African continent". If anything they should be used as c case study of how an African Country should be governed.

      Kenno - 2011-08-03 12:56

      Who the F#ck do this bunch of kids think they are?? they are giving SA and even worse name than the ANC. Someone shut them up please....permanently!

      PunkBuster - 2011-08-04 16:52

      This team that you want to send to Botswana, u'd better send them to school first julius and floyd. Botswana would never take you lot seriously, dont know why this country does??? Maybe you should focus your attentions on closing down twitter. You know, because there are so many julius accounts.

      NuttyPeanuts - 2011-08-04 20:25

      "He said Mthembu should have discussed the matter with the ANCYL before publicly condemning it." Then he (Floyd) should have discussed it with Jackson before making his statement about Botswana public.... Floyd is such an idiot

  • Concerned - 2011-08-02 20:48

    julius is a staban

      apie - 2011-08-03 08:21

      Julius is 666.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 08:35

      Malema. Satan. Who worships whom?

      biskit - 2011-08-03 11:38

      Flyod you must stop sleeping around now! You also want to sleep around in Botswana now haibo

  • TamaraSays - 2011-08-02 20:48

    Floyd, all I can say is that you are the perfect spokesperson for the ANCYL. Your comments and statements only serve to reiterate what we all think of you lot. Which isn't much.

      Dave - 2011-08-02 20:59

      As a Finance man, 1 + 1....Ancyl went public, ANC has the right to repond publically

      Vlooi - 2011-08-02 21:13

      @Dave - as an IT person: if (Botswana Defence Force > ANCYL){ tell the ANCYL to p1ss off }

      Vlooi - 2011-08-02 21:25

      Hardware: Shivambu has a 1 bit brain with a parity error.

      squeegeepilot - 2011-08-02 21:28

      As a philosopher If floyd makes a statement in the woods and no one is there to hear it, is Juliass still an idiot?

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-02 21:29

      handyman...Floyed is a tool that needs to be drilled

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-02 21:35

      carpenter....pls bring that plank here so it can get nailed

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-08-02 22:07

      Let me make it simple: MORONS!

      Creeky - 2011-08-02 22:10

      //.Stiffi- Blank!

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-08-02 22:43

      As an accountant, I salute Malema for failing woodwork and passing graft

      Neil - 2011-08-03 00:34

      @Vlooi: You meant I/O error.. (Idiot operator) or perhaps Id10t error?

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 08:37

      How about applying this to Floyd and Juju: C:\>del floyd.anc C:\>del juju.anc C:\>format c: (just in case someone undeletes them)

      Ben - 2011-08-03 08:59

      C:/logic/Floyd.exe Bad command or file name....

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 09:16

      C:\> run julius.anc Error: file does not exist We can only dream...

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 09:18

      Floyd: C:\>julius.a$$ Insert stiffy

      Felix - 2011-08-03 09:25

      This thread just made my day!

      Gomez - 2011-08-03 10:00

      Observer: The ANCYL sees all these clever comments and are dreaming that maybe one day,they too,can add a few.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 11:14

      Biggest problem is - the SA voters did NOT vote the youth league into a policy-making position. Even bona fide ANC supporters should be concerned about this.

      Krush - 2011-08-03 11:24

      As a musician...Malema wasn't found noteworthy.

      Skubbe - 2011-08-03 13:04

      As a plumber... who's gonna clean this sh*t up??

      greatgodpan - 2011-08-03 14:10

      @ jo.......not to mention that the botswanan voters did in fact vote the botswanan govt into power...................

      Trevor - 2011-08-03 14:20

      Builder - malema = thick as a brick

      Wes - 2011-08-04 09:06

      As a sailor ancyl = Oil slick

  • Concerned - 2011-08-02 20:48

    floyd is julius's stabane

  • Bachbabe - 2011-08-02 20:49

    Interesting that the ANCYL thinks that they can make any sort of comment, outlining policy, pronouncing on neighbouring states, economic policy etc, without consulting the ANC, and once it is rebuked by the ANC, they suddenly feel that the issues "should have been discussed". Make up your minds ANCYL! If you want to play in the big league, expect the heat!

      Ai! Ai! - 2011-08-02 21:11

      Bachbabe, Don't you think it is too much to ask of the ANCYL to make up something they don't have?

      Creeky - 2011-08-02 22:08

      WTF did they get hold of the word PRONOUNCE???? ANNOUNCE is the CORRECT WORD! PRONOUNCIATION of a WORD is the ONLY time you use that word!

      Gibbonater - 2011-08-03 08:42

      They are a bunch of dimwits that have to share a brain cell.

      meindert - 2011-08-03 12:16

      pro·nounce: -verb; to make a statement or assertion, especially an authoritative statement (often followed by on ): He was required to pronounce on the findings of his research.

  • Nunya - 2011-08-02 20:49

    IDIOT ANCYL!!!...Why did you not first discuss your stipid plans with the ANC.....Botswana will kick your stupid @rses so hard, your nose will bleed.

  • Bravo - 2011-08-02 20:49

    hahahaha - these are beautiful children - now they are rebuking the parents!! Is this an example of teenage rebellion? You go for it kids, you tell your parents what to do and how to do it. You both deserve each other!!

  • ProudofPink - 2011-08-02 20:49

    Floyd, Juliearse and Zooomer = dumb, dumber and dumbest.

      Gibbonater - 2011-08-03 08:43

      Juliearse ------- Jellyarse ------ Jellyass

  • tootingdel - 2011-08-02 20:50

    Well perhaps the ANCYL will now just play with its toys (watches; bling; big cars; dolls houses) and just keep quiet. Naughty boys!!!

  • Chris - 2011-08-02 20:52

    If they publicly don't talk a lot of sh*t, then they won't be rebuked publicly. This is like a child causing a lot of sh*t in public, but his dad should only reprimand him behind close doors, letting the world think all said and done by the child is OK. Bunch of chimpa ... err idiots.

      TaniaS - 2011-08-02 23:13

      Cease and desist the mention of every kind of ape please. It engenders nothing but bad feeling for any comment amongst people that may agree with you in principle - and only leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Stupid, uncouth, uneducated, unprincipled, irreligious - pick another insult according to the post. Challenge yourself to be original. with you

  • Happy Harry - 2011-08-02 20:53

    Floyd, you are truly obnoxious or incredibly stupid. You made a public statement that was not inline with ANC policy. You were not willing to have a discussion with the leadership about that. Now you criticize the ANC for doing their job while you you hypocrite are not willing to play by the same rules!! Watch your back son, this is beyond ridiculous.

      Vlooi - 2011-08-02 21:16

      Not "or" Harry, "and" - truly obnoxious "and" incredibly stupid.

  • william.botha - 2011-08-02 20:53

    Yep, this confirms my suspicion, the ANCYL is a bunch of trolls. TROLL ALERT EVERYONE, CAUTION! TROLL ALERT!

      Ben - 2011-08-03 09:00

      Best trolls ever!

  • John Paul - 2011-08-02 20:54

    ANCYL go to Siberia and dont come back.

  • Alan - 2011-08-02 20:54

    Just what do they expect? Democracy is about a nation deciding who they want to manage the country. It is NOT about a wannabe DICTATOR who advocates the overthrow of a neighbouring Government!!! Get real ANCYL. Your ideas are no better than those of North Korea, the Taliban, Iran, etc, etc. HOW DARE YOU hide behind the claim of DEMOCRACY? Your organization is an embarresment and a disgrace to the South African nation and democracy.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 11:15

      Biggest problem is - the SA voters did NOT vote the youth league into a policy-making position. Even bona fide ANC supporters should be concerned about this.

  • Josie - 2011-08-02 20:54

    So now JM is foreign affairs minister? This is making us the laughing stock of the world. I think it is change the subject from his TRUST and walking round with R75000 cash to pay for weekend in lodge- never mind the R16million house he wants to build! He can't have his cake and eat it!!!!

  • Mikaeel - 2011-08-02 20:57

    NO NO NO NO NO!!!! I believe that trust fund was set up by imperialist into which they deposit a few thousand rand everytime this YL says something stupid!! Really, its like they get paid to be stupid and sending out stupid statements! Saying something sensible would mean no donation that particular week! Its the only thing that makes sense to me right now

  • letsee - 2011-08-02 20:59

    But who do they think they are besides rude, arrogant, illiterate and ignorant?

  • Ai! Ai! - 2011-08-02 21:05

    TamaraSays, Would you please amend your last sentence: 'Which is'nt much' to read: 'Which is nothing at all'?

  • Juli Ass - 2011-08-02 21:07

    Flooi...tell you what, go play with Juju. Let the grown ups do the talking...idiot!

  • struth - 2011-08-02 21:08

    No no, you have all got it wrong. I watched the interview on E News and Floyd stated that it was ANC policy regarding Botswana, it had been discussed within the ANC and the ANCYL were not to blame. Ha Ha Ha the chickens have come home to roost. Cock a doodle doo.

      mokoenk - 2011-08-03 15:41

      struth I am actually hoping that you are wrong...if not then the chickens have come home to roost indeed. Is it possible to post a link to that video?

  • Macho Mike - 2011-08-02 21:09

    Tut Tut Shivambu, kry vir jou you childish man. Eish, seems to me you sing a different chune when the shoe is on the other foot ne. Do me a favour, grow up and stop playing and throwing your toys out the cot.

  • Politicallycorrect - 2011-08-02 21:09

    Tough takkies you bunch of punks and thugs!!!

  • Anonymus - 2011-08-02 21:18

    floyd.... how is juju's chocolate salty balls?

  • Ai! Ai! - 2011-08-02 21:18

    Julius, Eish! Jou bek het gemaak dat jou gat nou slae kry! Eish, Eish!

  • BraBob - 2011-08-02 21:22

    Oh Shame. "particularly on political issues that require discussions" Where was the discussions before public statements like this one (and others) were made. The ANCYL has a typical bully mentality.

  • Photojockey - 2011-08-02 21:23

    SHAME....!!! Grow up Fat Boys and get a life...!!!

  • george - 2011-08-02 21:23

    Alice in Wonderland! Why bother Faulty? We are run by lunatics.

  • Ai! Ai! - 2011-08-02 21:26

    There is this guy who has two brain cells,one dormant and one on leave. I wonder who he is, what's his name? Is he the guy who wants to destabilize/overthrow the Botswana Government?

  • Sit-hole - 2011-08-02 21:30

    ANCYL would ask to meet with Gigaba "to take him through basics of nationalization of mines". This means: Malema "Gigaba. I wil geev too yoo munee"

  • Lynne - 2011-08-02 21:31

    The fact of the matter is that the old men in the ANC have lost control over the whipper snappers in the ANCYL. The youth have no respect for the fathers.

  • bugz.bayfield - 2011-08-02 21:34

    they want the burning issue, "never the real issue"

  • jock - 2011-08-02 21:39

    its about time some of the ANC members put you thugs in your place

  • phola nsikaz - 2011-08-02 21:45

    floyd is really sick,he should not be taken serous,the ancyl thinks when they famble and took stupid and childish decision about botswana they are radical and true revolutionaries.the anc must deal with these kindergarden.

      Vlooi - 2011-08-02 22:00

      When you say really sick, do you mean like in slow puncture sick or sleeping with his sister sick?

  • JimbOb - 2011-08-02 21:52

    Democracy means people have a say and the discourse is public. Effing moron.

  • The Wonderer - 2011-08-02 22:04

    These ancyl laaitjies are getting lekker windgat! It's TIME we get a president who can manage children, the current one has 22 of them, but it's apparent he's never brought any up as he has NO idea on just HOW to deal with unruly children...

  • wombatingloves - 2011-08-02 22:04

    You never cease to amaze me with your sheer stupidity! When it suits you "kids" you say you are not government, however when the heat is on, you deflect off real issues and start wanting to force regime change in a foreign country. God help this country if any of your useless, thieving, corrupt, capitalist leaders make it into top government posts!

  • Sjamies - 2011-08-02 22:08

    Oh f*ck off ANCYL! What do you know about anything, especially international politics and democracy! You're a collection of uneducated, ill-informed, and naive 'comrades' who have nothing better to do than further your retarded agenda. Let the big boys make the decisions on foreign agendas. You're pathetic.

  • Martin du Plessis - 2011-08-02 22:11

    Insanity. Thats the only word i can come up with to describe these utterings. Seriously.

  • Sean - 2011-08-02 22:37

    Holy crap - this ANCYL hierarchy needs to be eliminated in its entirety.Its not enough that they want to destroy South Africa but now this little jumped up mongrel and his troop want to infringe on the sovereign rights and constitution of another country too. I say,let them go to Botswana-its a tax burden that the South Africans wont have to shoulder when they lock the whole bunch of backward banana republic bastards away.Ian Khama wont suffer that little fool gladly

  • The_Socialist - 2011-08-02 22:45

    Yet another embarrassment for our nation, when will the foolishness stop and the fools silenced?? Can our nation afford yet another one of these comments? I fear a split between the ANC and the ANCYL is all but eminent. With this grave possibility will we see our president come out and speak publically against the ANCYL and its leadership or will he once again adopt his predecessor with a "quiet diplomacy" stance?? The ANC now looks as if it might self-destruct to the detriment of its members and the people of this nation.

      TaniaS - 2011-08-02 23:27

      Great! South Africa is growing up - finally a teenager with all the growing pains and rudeness - good for clearing the air. When Juju is gone, can we turn 21? I beg humbly, please.

  • Johan - 2011-08-03 01:50

    This is too entertaining!! They have no idea what capacity and capability exists within Botswana, they will get drilled quicker and harder than they expect! And for once it might be very very entertaining seeing these clowns get an unpaid education from people that know better but cannot be called racist for doing so!

  • Rhino - 2011-08-03 02:32

    "He said Mthembu should have discussed the matter with the ANCYL before publicly condemning it." Maybe the ANCYL should have discussed their comments on Botswana with the ANC before they said it publically. Just who the H3LL is running this country????

  • Boiling Frog - 2011-08-03 02:39

    Ha Ha Ha Julie Fat Boy being a Full blown Narcissist will definitely not like to be chastised in public. Narcissists feel they are completely in control and think all their ideas are 100% Fool proof. Anyone who counters them will meet with strong resistance and abuse The only remedy to treat a Narcissist is to distance yourself as far away as possible and Ignore them For example:any write ups about Malema , ignore them and don’t make comments (this is their Prime Narcisstic Source). So lets ignore Fat Boy, please.

  • aquinas - 2011-08-03 04:30

    Never in the history of mankind has any organisation had so many certifiable idiots as members and "leaders", the only ascertainable qualification of the latter corps being an IQ of less than 10.

  • Moran#1 - 2011-08-03 05:39

    this is hilarious, you can't make it up. I LOVE the way the previous head Gigaba has turned into an imperilaist lackey... ho ho ho. Of course, he is no different from Malema or that eejit Shivambu who shall also rapidy change their tone when public office beckons.

  • Proudly SA - 2011-08-03 06:36

    Malema and cronies should go to Botswana and get their treason charges; however just as they are too scared to go to Ulundi and are well behaved when in Western Cape suspect they won't; they are cowards and just able to hide behind a toothless ANC who seem scared of doing anything about their racist stupid behaviour

  • charlesaduplessis - 2011-08-03 06:54

    Where is the Agriforum and DA youth leage in all this, why are you guys so quiet? do you lack leadership? Are you scared to speak up? wake up man start standing up for us.. you obviously need a leader with bigger balls than what you have now...

  • Gavin Mannion - 2011-08-03 07:10

    Please ANC respond to this disrespect from your kids... Why would the head organisation need to check with the spoilt kids before telling them off? The ANC has given the YL too much freedom and will now have to suffer through teenage years in public

  • knalpot - 2011-08-03 07:30

    If brains were made of chocolate Floyds brain wouldnt fill a smartie

  • knalpot - 2011-08-03 07:31

    If Floyd had another brain cell it would be lonely