ANCYL's military training - judge to rule

2011-01-31 21:17

Johannes - An application to prevent Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu from offering military training to the ANC Youth League was heard in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Monday, AfriForum said.

AfriForum applied for an urgent interdict in September last year when Sisulu and ANCYL president Julius Malema in May announced their plans for the training, AfriForum's lawyer Willie Spies said.

In Sisulu's opposing court documents at the time she denied any training was being planned for political organisations.

The urgent court application was rendered redundant as training which had been planned for September and October 2010 at the naval base in Saldanha was postponed indefinitely, he said.

Sisulu failed to respond to AfriForum's formal requests in terms of the Promotion of Administrative Justice Act to provide reasons for her decision to offer training to political organisations and responded only after court documents had been filed with the High Court.

In her opposing court documents she "suddenly" denied that any training was being planned for political organisations, Spies said.

"It is, unfortunately, part of our political culture for ministers and high-ranking officials to disregard correspondence.

"The only legal remedy that is at the public's disposal in such a case is to appeal to the courts."

Spies said court proceedings on Monday dealt with more than just the costs of a court application. They dealt with the question of whether a minister could simply ignore written requests directed to her in terms of national legislation and get away with it.

Judgment was reserved.

"The judge said he needed some time to think about the situation and said he would let us know once he had made a decision," Spies said.

  • Mundu - 2011-01-31 22:52

    I'd pay good money to watch that fat bastard Malema doing basic training.

      ewald - 2011-02-01 02:54

      Ja, use him as a shooting fat u can't miss it

  • Pragmatist - 2011-01-31 23:16

    Why dont they sign up for two years (like the old days), and get a good hammering from the old school PTI guys??? I think that they are more chicken that KFC!

      Taurusaurus - 2011-08-01 18:03

      Because they give up after 2 weeks and cry and run home. They want to try offer "special selective training" so that the pussies can complete the basics of "how to kill". Arrest them for treason, because politics and military training do NOT make you a soldier or a person of authority. FORKEN TERRORISTS!!! HANG THEM!!!

  • emile.marais - 2011-02-01 00:49

    Anyway some of them where taught how to use weapons at age 9 you know, for the struggle so military training can't be a bad thing, right?

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-02-01 04:59

    This is much more serious than it looks. Milatant cadres and war vets are starting to gain a greater say in the ANC. Why not send them to colleges or socail programs but to milataries the youth has one purpose and that is milatant mobilisation. The ANC are eyeing out the fact that one day they could actually loose an election and clearly showing that they wont stand for that. We should learn our lesson from the failures of the country that supplies us the most illegal immigrants, Zimbobwe, where milatarisation and nationalisation have failed to deliver jobs and a democracy.

  • MP3 - 2011-02-01 05:20

    Holy sh!t, this story deserves so much more publicity than this... This is some serious sh!t. Just imagine the very group that enjoys singing "shoot the boer" learning how to point and shoot an AK47. My god. I certainly hope white complacency catches a wake up! This is a blatant attempt to incite genocide.

  • - 2011-02-01 05:53

    This is what happens when government allocate ministers to portfolios. FromHousing Minister to Defence Minister.What results can one expect. Lies and cover-ups.

  • brianR - 2011-02-01 07:59

    As far as I can remember, it was Malema who encouraged the members of the youth league to inlist at one of his rallies... I dont think Lindiwe Sisulu even knew of this... Me thinks Afriforum is barking up the wrong tree again...

      Great White - 2011-02-01 10:13

      I think an attorney of the caliber of Willie Spies might have done his homework pretty thoroughly before embarking on the interdict route, brian. Just a thought.

      brianR - 2011-02-01 10:30

      as i said, as far as i can remember... and as he got no reply from Lindiwe, thus he went that route to force a response?

  • daaivark - 2011-02-01 08:30

    It is patently absurd to provide military training to a particular political party - particularly a grouping of youths with little or no experience of the world at large. It would be tantamount to creating a party-based militia and is to be combatted vehemently.

      brianR - 2011-02-01 09:08

      almost like was done by the Nats

      Grazy - 2011-02-01 09:45

      brianR I was conscripted and not a NP member. You probably was not even born at that time arshole.

      Great White - 2011-02-01 09:56

      I agree BrianR. Now go and play in the traffic.

      brianR - 2011-02-01 10:06

      I was conscripted because i was white... because then only the whites could vote and they assumed all white voters were Nat. Merely pointing out that we were provided with the training in those days... Now Malema wants some of that action

      Christopher - 2011-02-01 11:46

      I think BrianR needs to get a history leason... the NATs are gone, there is no need for any party to have a military wing unless they indend to become exactly like the NATs. Does the ANCYL have these intentions? Why do theu want to train thier members in military ways?

  • coolwaynie - 2011-02-01 08:32

    I can imagine the training. Hold AK over your head and spray on automatic in every direction. Lesson over. Viva!

  • Livhu - 2011-02-01 08:35

    @Richard,you are so backwads, this is 2011 ANCYL is not just for darkies there are a lot of whities in it. please civilize your brain is so outdated.And if evere there is to be training is going to be for the youth of the country pinck to yellow in colour,just becouse the idea come from the ANCYL doesnt mean is for them.stupid.

      Christopher - 2011-02-01 11:41

      No it does mean its stupid. It mean sthe ANCYL will be able to efectivly be an army and no longer a political party. Politicians takl... the military uses little words and far more actions to get thier point accross. I think you should wake up and smell the roses. Your beloved ANCYL is prepairing for a war, the kind that all colours of South Africans will die in. wanting to train your memebers in war means only 1 thing, war is on thier minds.

  • Livhu - 2011-02-01 08:39

    @Richard,i will tell you why this website deletes ure comments, Becouse they are too negative try writing something that encourages positive thinking and see if they will delete.

  • wgibsonsa - 2011-02-01 08:59

    Think ZANUPF and what their green bombers have done overthere. Can you imagine the outcome should the ANC ever lose an election. There will be total anarchy as these fatcats in government will lose there fat salaries and benefits. There is no way they will allow this to happen. Therefore they need a militant youth wing who will go about intim dating, brutalising and murdering anyone they deem to be a threat to their newly gained wealth and status. These thugs will be brainwashed into believing that they owe everything to the party that has trained and fed them and provided them with skills with the lie that more will follow once they hae got rid of the capitalist elitist opposition who are stealing from the poor.

  • Christopher - 2011-02-01 11:35

    It is terrifying the thought of political parties giving military training to their members, it smacks of the 1930's. To allow a political party to actively train their members in military manovers and tactics is totally senseless. Politicos is about negotiations. The military is there to serve the country when politicians fail. Mixing military and politics is paramount to everything WW2 was fought over. There is a reason for segregation of roles and power.

  • ludlowdj - 2011-02-01 11:51

    Political organisations do not have a right to expect military training, it is contrary to the Defense Force code of ethics and will unfairly disadvantage persons not politically linked to the ruling party. just waiting for the ANC to declare a Zimbabwe type Dictatorship now

  • ludlowdj - 2011-02-01 11:58

    @BrianR Do some fact finding and then come back to make a comment, the SADF under Nationalist rule never trained its whites to fight the ANC even though the ANC was at that time an internationally accepted terrorist organisation. We fought against the Cubans in Angola, we fought for the people of SWA, The ANC was mainly dealt with by special units and the SAPS. Had military personnel at that time been tasked to fight against the ANC, the ANC as an organisation would not exist now.

      brianR - 2011-02-01 13:20

      we were indoctrinated into believing the lies, agreed?

      Will2.0 - 2011-02-14 16:41

      Fought in Angola? I thought PW said there was no war...

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