AU undermined in Libya talks, says Zuma

2011-09-01 18:02

Oslo - President Jacob Zuma says Western nations undermined the African Union's efforts to broker peace talks in Libya.

He also is critical of Nato countries' use of military force to help Libyan rebels overthrow Muammar Gaddafi's regime.

Zuma spoke to reporters on Thursday in Oslo. He has not sent a representative to a major conference on Libya's future in Paris.

Zuma says there was no will to meet the AU halfway "in terms of finding a political way of solving the problem before so many people died".

The AU has not yet recognised the Libyan rebels' National Transitional Council as the country's interim government.

Zuma says Norway and South Africa agree that the UN must oversee the formation of a transitional government in Libya.

  • Mathew James Eyre - 2011-09-01 18:09

    Sometimes actions are required. The A.U did absolutely nothing to help the citizens. They were and still are only intersted in there friend Gaddafi!!

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-01 18:16

      your talk is cheap would not have done anything,the bombs seemed to have done the job bout talking to your little monster instead of running from him like the coward you are

      Craigr - 2011-09-01 18:38

      The AU bunch of usless dictators

      cliffarc - 2011-09-01 18:41

      - Nobody's listening to you Zuma - rather shut up. Even China has now accepted a regime change in Libya. Sort out the problems in your own backyard.

      Fred - 2011-09-01 18:44

      If it was left to the AU the opposition would all be dead now, and Gaddafi would be sunning himself on the beach with Zuma, Mugabe and all his other AU buddies, celebrating another successful "quiet diplomacy" achievement. Certainly the crisis would be over. Now Zuma's nose is out of joint because his plans didn't work, and the pocket money from Gaddafi will no longer be banked to his account very month.

      JohannV - 2011-09-01 20:33

      Is JZ also going to kick out the Libyan ambassador like Uncle Bob did?

      Francois - 2011-09-01 21:43

      Zuma himself went to talk to Gaddafi. Prez, why did you not tell him that he must get on the plane with you? Why did other states of the Arab world support the rebels? Why do so many African states recognise the rebel government? Prez, you can't have your cake and eat it, but you can have your bicycle and ride it. You should have given Muammer a bicycle when you could.

      sipholess - 2011-09-08 13:28

      The West undermined the AU because they know how absolutely useless these African leaders (sangoma's) are.

  • letsee - 2011-09-01 18:10

    Zuma and the rest of the ANC and the AU as well don't understand geopolitics and forget that African initiatives are a bad example such as ZIM, forgot that the Arabs supported NATO, Russia and Algeria recognize the new interim government and so on. South Africa should and MUST side with winners and leave the losing Africa spirit behind. If I could I would change my color from balck to that of any other race.

      Riaan - 2011-09-01 18:22

      This is a far broader issue, I would highly recommend that anyone who does not understand what is happening in North Africa spend time researching Dr. Webster Tarpley from the US as he provides a true and accurate analagy.

      Dominic - 2011-09-01 18:25

      Nothing wrong with black. Fools come in all colours.

      slg - 2011-09-01 18:29

      Riaan, the idea that 9/11 was created by the US itself is the dumbest idea possible.

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-01 18:42

      At Dominic:- The fools all seem to be from the African Union, but your point is taken.

      alainkermis - 2011-09-01 18:49

      Actuallyy Riaan makes a good point. The evidence that 911 was staged FAR outweighs the crap that gets fed to us in the mainstream media. The US carried out the attacks on 911 for a variety of reasons.

      slg - 2011-09-01 19:06

      alain, you're part of a lunatic fringe that's for sure.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:14

      Nope @slg, alain is not part of a small fringe. If a country could murder one of their own presidents, JFK, how easy would it be to orchestrate 9/11. Remember, the US is still looking for weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East. Man, just look at the dramatics being orchestrated right here by Mr Malema - easy peasy, smoke and mirrors.

      Mundu - 2011-09-01 20:21

      Right on letsee, the real reason Zuma does not support this military action is because he does'nt want NATO coming after his ass when he shows his true colours as a dictator.;

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:17

      fradycat, a small fringe for sure on the wrong end of the consciousness spectrum. That JFK was assassinated is connected to 9/11 how? In democracies, people have greater freedom than brutal dictatorships, even to kill their president.

      alainkermis - 2011-09-02 08:49

      @slg - very easy. JFK did not 'follow the elite' and was therefore eliminated. 911 was staged to bring about a war in Iraq (where American soldiers have killed over 1 million ppl) and to instill fear into the American population (look at new laws being passed since 2001 wich supposedly protect the civilians. Many firefighters and witnesss who have come forward have also mysteriously died, along with US ex-congresswoman Shaeffar for speaking up about erosion of rights. Do research. The West , wherever have interfered have only landed up decimating countries.before the war, Libya had free education, free housing, water etc... Inflation was non existant. Basic foodstuffs were all there. And not to mention a literacy rate of 80%+. Most importantly, they had independant banks (not part of international corrupt banks), which changed when the rebels went in. My point is the mainstream media feeds us Propaganda.

  • Komasa - 2011-09-01 18:11

    It is all about oil, britain and france who put Gadaffi in power and who are now putting al-Qaeda in power for the sake of a barrel of oil. Western culture would sell it's mother for the sake of a $ on the profit line.

      Mathew James Eyre - 2011-09-01 18:30

      Why didnt African nations intervene for the oil then? African nationas should have helped them out and then maybe we could have gotten oil. I would prefer an African nation to get it than the Europeans or Americans. Africa itself should do alot more to help its neighbors and try keep as much minerals in Africa.

      Julio - 2011-09-01 18:30

      Please show me a country in the world that goes to war for a mere ideal and not self interest. I wish my government would fight for my interests and my compatriots' interests rather than fight to line their own pockets and their immediate friends' pockets .

      slg - 2011-09-01 18:31

      The Arab League is part of Nato's intervention in Libya. Is it there for oil too? Was there oil in Tunisia and Egypt? Is there oil in Syria. The oil conclusion is a lazy and wrong idea.

      Wes - 2011-09-01 18:34

      Komasa... Try thinking just a little bit, instead of reharshing old crap that doesn't make sense.

      Komasa - 2011-09-01 18:49

      @Mathew you have a point, but the african option was one of dialogue, only because the Libyan regime was appionted by EU countries post WW2. As for @Julio, I take it you are of Italian decent, the italian government entertained Gaddafi with prostitutes at the italian prime minister's residence so don't give us the 'moral' speech.

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-01 18:50

      At Komasa:- Before you comment that it's all about oil, check the quantity of oil supplied to the World markets by Libya.

      Komasa - 2011-09-01 18:51

      @Wes your lack of adjectives is an indication of your interlectual level.

      Jeffrey Jones - 2011-09-01 19:16

      @Komasa, Your lack of spelling is an indication of your intellectual level. Interlectual?

      john - 2011-09-02 01:03

      @Komasa: Western culture would sell it's mother for the sake of a $ on the profit line. Yes, business is ruthless. Every successful economy is profit-driven. Do you think the Chinese are any more humanitarian in their business dealings? Africa, on the other hand, is filled with lofty intellectual leaders who have no business sense whatsoever. They can't compete in world markets so instead they go to the UN and ask to be given money. And while they're waiting to be given food, their people are slitting each other's throats for cell phones and running shoes. So you've got the West, who rapes the developing world but at least gives its citizens a good standard of living and cushy work conditions/benefits. They produce quite expensive products but they're often quality products. Or you have China who also rapes the developing world, treats its labourers like trash and offloads abysmal sweatshop products on world markets. They might be cheap but you sure get what you're paying for. Or you have Africa, whose obscenely wealthy tyrant leaders live in palatial luxury while their voters kill each other for bus fare. Those are your choices. Pick one and be happy with it.

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:32

      Julio, you'll have to read the US Constitution to understand that it is very much motivated by high ideals. Ideals are not meant to be reached; they're meant to be reached for, and the process a better world is created.

  • John - 2011-09-01 18:11

    No Sir the AU undermined its own plan by not having a workable plan. The AU plan is to broker a power broking deal where the previous discredited incumbent holds onto the reigns and continues to simple suck the country dry and use the apparatus that they set up to hold the country in limbo for a further number of years. No where in the world has this worked. The AU is an imbarrasment to the people of Africa and an discredits us all.

  • Riaan - 2011-09-01 18:19

    As a white south african I am extremely proud of Zuma for being the only person who remained loyal to Gaddafi. Russia and China eventually turned on him. Dispite international discontent, South Africa remains on the moral high ground on the Libya issue. The US and UK are cheap whores and will do anything to steal from us to rescue them. All they have ever done was looting the world. I'd wish now that Malema will be dispelled so that there can be sensible reconciliation between all races in South Africa as we need each other in a new world order that will try to exclude us from going forward. We will also need China, Russia, Brazil, Germany and Turkey as alternative trading partners to the USA and UK. Zuma - you have demonstrated character this time, even at a high price, Well done for not crumbling to pressure!

      Dominic - 2011-09-01 18:27

      I don't believe you.

      Komasa - 2011-09-01 18:32

      @Riaan let me shake your hand.

      slg - 2011-09-01 18:34

      You're ideas are twisted and remind me of one Datbrotherfromthesates. I don't believe you're Riaan Brits at all. That you support a cruel, delusional, self-enriching tyrant like Gadhafi really says it all. You've placed yourself in a lunatic fringe of society. It's not where the truth is found and it is not where humanity is evolving.

      Wes - 2011-09-01 18:37

      Not sure if you are serious. Then again there are weird people in this comment section. That actually support evil murderers like Gadaffi. Thats why there is war I guess. It weeds out the stupid.

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-01 18:46

      this is just another kolobe,tshepo,mad man,poloidonkey hiding behind a brand new FB account trying to make it look like a white man is as stupid as them,they hate whites and will go to any lengths to make them look as stupid as them

      alainkermis - 2011-09-01 18:46

      Amen brother. You are right.

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-01 18:47

      its a troll and thats all there is to it

      Forester - 2011-09-01 18:53

      Oh no, Mugabe was also very loyal to Gaddafi and even kicked out the Libyan ambassador for recognising the NTC. Interesting to see the the quality of Gaddafi loyalists. Oil or no oil, I would, I would rather stand behind the U.S and U.K. then behind evil maniacs like Mugabe and Gaddafi - the worse of the two evils

      slg - 2011-09-01 19:08

      alain + riaan = delusional brothers who support mad dictators

      Nom-de-guerre - 2011-09-02 06:48

      Well said Riaan, SA and the AU will not legitimise the unlawfull destruction of another African country.

      slg - 2011-09-02 07:39

      Nom-de-Guerre is back. I'm glad you're alive, but afraid you're still on the wrong side of things. The world is moving in the other direction that you're heading in. You're likely to get run over. I mean this sincerely. Time to change? Time to wake up?

      slg - 2011-09-02 07:41

      The AU has caused the destruction of much of Africa, never mind legitimizing it.

      Mandsxoxo - 2011-09-05 11:57

      Give this man a BELLS! Cheers!

  • Succubus - 2011-09-01 18:19

    I believe the correct word is not undermined, but rather, 'ignored'. To be taken seriously, one usually has to offer something of value.

      Komasa - 2011-09-01 18:36

      @Succubus when the NTC backfires on the EU I hope you are as bold with your comments as now.

      Spade - 2011-09-01 20:35

      Is it an African thing that comments are deemed "bold"? That would explain why the AU is so unhappy with NATO for doing something, rather than talking about it. When the South African government started killing its own people, the ANC stood up against the atrocities of Apartheid. The same ANC, under Zuma, wanted to "talk about it" with Gadaffi when he started killing his own! The ANC today is nothing more than a "backfire"!!

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:20

      Komasa, the TNC is about to backfire on you if you're in Libya and don't change your delusional ideas. Libya's future is brighter now than it has ever been. You're at risk of not only being left behind, but of being forcefully excluded from the process altogether.

      Succubus - 2011-09-02 16:50

      Dearest Komasa, In the unlikely event that the Libyan National Transitional Council should 'backfire' on the European Union before it hands over power to a democratically elected government chosen by the Libyan people, I hope you are not in Libya when it happens, as they don't seem to be particularly partial to supporters of dictatorship over there.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-01 18:21

    Jacob's record speaks for itself! ZimBOBwe? King Twat? Malema? Europe is tire of "African time & African way". Action is needed! Nobody will throw money at a lost cause. Africa is destroyed by it's own greed!

  • Softy - 2011-09-01 18:25

    zuma forget about libya its over and the world doesent care what you think ....youve got big problems at home pal.....get your priorities right

      Jeffrey Jones - 2011-09-01 19:22

      Quite right. The world couldn't care less about Zuma's views on their actions.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:22

      Shame man, Zuma is still trying, we must always remember that they have only had 17 years of political freedom, so sometimes some of them will sound like marbles rolling round in empty tins...more noise than substance.

  • slg - 2011-09-01 18:28

    The AU undermined itself in Libya talks

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:24

      @slg, so true. The one time they sat down with MG, the guy "ja en amened" the AU, then turned around and showed them the middle finger by going on his merry destructive way...ignoring the AU...lot of that going around

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:23

      No, he did the right thing by co-creating UN Resolution 1973 with the freer world, then strangely undermining Nato's intervention, and supporting the brutal dictator Gadhafi who has denied Libyans the very things Apartheid denied South Africans.

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:29

      Perhaps I misunderstood what you wrote fraidycat.

  • WakeUpPeople - 2011-09-01 18:38

    The destruction of Libyan Sovereignty is an absurd crime that many seem to be cheering on. It doesn't seem to have occurred to people that NATO and the western powers behind this have now waged a war by proxy. Even if one does a small amount of research on the topic it is easy to see that Libya did not want this. in January of this year the UN issued a report on Libya's Human Rights record. This record should be read by anyone wishing to respond to this comment. See:

      alainkermis - 2011-09-01 18:46

      At last! Someone on the page as me.. Good job mate. The whole thing is a farce.

      slg - 2011-09-01 19:09

      A country is not sovereign when it has been hijacked by a mad dictator who denies people the right to vote and tortures and kills people to stay in power. End of story.

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-09-01 19:52

      @WakeUp Did you happen to count the number of recommendations that the panel suggested that the Libyan delegation should make sure that they change in their country? There are 95 things that they wanted Libya change, including banning torture and bringing the military and police under control, or did you miss that section?

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:29

      @slg - sorry, but a country can be sovereign, even if ruled by dictatorship. They are not democratic, but they are sovereign as Libya is still theirs. Can't remember any NATO country suggesting taking charge there...

      slg - 2011-09-02 04:28

      faridycat, a country is not sovereign when hijacked by a brutal dictator because it is not recognized as such by the rest of the world. In the fullest expression of the word, only now is Libya moving towards full sovereignty.

      Mandsxoxo - 2011-09-05 12:07

      Actually the UN are the B*****of the same puppet masters who pull the strings of the puppets parading as politicians in the USA and UK. These people will eliminate anybody who interfere with the objective of establishing the new world order. Strauss-Khan and the IMF anybody?

  • Wes - 2011-09-01 18:39

    Zuma is a moron. He should have kept his mouth shut. Now no sweet oils deals from libya.

  • INsaneSA - 2011-09-01 18:44

    Yeah, the AU will resolve the complex Libyan issues like they sorted out Zimbabwe's issues, to make Zim-bob-we a beacon of african hope......

  • alainkermis - 2011-09-01 18:45

    I am not a huge fan of Zuma but the West's interference in yet another FUNCTIONING Arab country was uncalled for and clearly a plot to control(and of course destroy) another country to rape it of it's resources. I firmly believe that almost everything the media is telling us is false. There was no killing of was a false flag operation.

      slg - 2011-09-01 19:14

      Libya was another dysfunctional country in the Middle East. It was ruled by a mad, selfish dictator who tortured and killed people to hod onto power for 42 year, denying Libyans the right to vote for their leaders. Waves of change started in Tunisa, moved to Egypt then to Libya. The Tunisian and Egyptian dictators had the good sense to hand down. Not so mad-man Gadhafi. When he had circled Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city, and openly threatened to kill everyone who opposed him demanding change, the international community through the UN Security Council stepped in. Requested by the Arab League, which represents 400 million Arabs, Nato intervened, surgically striking Gadhafi's military resources which he was using to terrorize Libyans into submitting to his will. Gadhafi has failed. The overwhelming majority of Libyans are celebrating.

      Jeffrey Jones - 2011-09-01 19:25

      Apartheid was also a FUNCTIONING African country. If the West hadn't interfered to help the ANC South Africa would still be run by the National Party.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:32

      Libya was functioning? Maybe my tv and paper has different news than yours, but the Libyan people were being killed by their own leader - how is this functioning. It functioned for years before the people had enough and also wanted to have freedoms - but hey, so did Apartheid SA...

  • Newsferret - 2011-09-01 18:46

    Oh come on what is Zuma about? Is he blind or stubborn? The AU could not bring acceptable solutions to Zimbabwe, the Ivory Coast and Kenya. Somalia is still a disaster. That guy will never come home to Mother Earth, he does not have the intellect to undertake such a major step.

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-01 19:14

      Newsferret:- You answered your own question with your last line.

  • Forester - 2011-09-01 18:48

    The NATO mission in Libya was risky, and sadly some civilians lost there life. But it was NECESSARY. How the hell did the A.U think that there was any other solution? Or would they have rather carried on talking while the Libyan people were being undermined - and the rebels fighting for their freedom left to face the terror of Gaddafi's police state

  • Hopeforall - 2011-09-01 18:51

    Dear Mr Zuma. The AU, acting on your advice, chose to do nothing whilst many people were being killed, simply because you were biding your time to see if your favourite dictator would weather the storm, or not. Was it I alone who heard the one who is now calling in his favours screaming of how he would "crush the insurgents like rats", more than just a couple of times? Where was your offer of an 'inclusive settlement', then? Soon after the implementation of Apartheid, this shining example of democracy forcibly took power in Libya, and has for more than four decades divided the peoples along economic and ethnic lines, without access to human or political rights, or the safety of the law. He has ruled with an iron fist, and has brutally silenced the faintest murmur of any kind of elections, during this period of ultimate oppression. He is a hated man in his own country - a greedy despot, with the innocent blood of many thousands on his hands. Is this the one who you are prepared to embarrass yourself and the free nation of South Africa in the eyes of the world for, by brokering "a mediated settlement", for him? Are you yet not rich enough? One only needs to cast ones eyes immediately north to understand how this clich├ęd metaphor for the continuance of despotic rule works, Mr Zuma, and there is little wonder that the peoples of Libya are pleased not to have you, or the questionable AU, anywhere near the fragile but hopeful discussions in regards the future of a free Libya.

      slg - 2011-09-01 19:16

      Actually, South Africa voted in favor of UN Resolution 1973 that authorized Nato to intervene in Libya. It was only when the AU started having dialogue with Gadhafi that Zuma started to backtrack, denouncing Nato's actions. It doesn't make sense. SA is immature in international relations.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:37

      That is what happens when you hedge your bets - it backfires in your face. Sorry Zuma, the world cannot condone standing by and letting another dictator simply go merrily on his way. But hey, in SA dictators are heros - look at Malema, his berrett and his youth...

  • Deset Rat - 2011-09-01 18:56

    I think JZ and the South African people have not fully understood that Libya is Arab and not African (Negro races). Therefor Libya has nothing in common with Sub-Saharan Africa. It is little wonder that Gadaffi did not buy in to the AU road map. Nor will the new regime in the making, their future interests are with Europe and China finish and klaar!

      alainkermis - 2011-09-02 09:09

      Actually he did. He was at the forefront for the United States of Africa. His reasons: allow Africa to not be controlled and to allow it to be developed without Western interference. Just like he developed Libya.

  • Davearch - 2011-09-01 18:59

    Its because your TRACK RECORD for resolving AFRICAN problems is, to say the least, PATHETIC .. ie Zimbabwe, Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya etc etc etc ... and then the WEST has to go in to pick up the pieces ... TIME AND TIME again .. Your R1 Million rand help to THOUSANDS of STARVING SOMALI's bears witness, as does your R2,4 Billion to Swazi dictator ...

      Danny - 2011-09-01 19:33

      Zuma can't control Malema but he expects people to believe that he could control the situation in Libya. He was warned that Malema was going to be the albatross around his neck.

  • Ex-employer - 2011-09-01 19:03

    Must Africa always be out of step with the whole world. Or does she think she's the one only the in step, and that Zimabwe is a good example of how African should deal with despots.

      alainkermis - 2011-09-02 05:38

      The imperialists keep Africa underveloped and poor for a reason. Control of her resources and her people.

      slg - 2011-09-02 06:48

      Agh Alain, get real buddy. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel with that victim stuff. Neither you nor Africa will ever amount to anything if you hold onto those ideas. It's your choice to believe them that is holding you down, not anything else.

  • Wow! - 2011-09-01 19:05

    The AU. What have they ever done????? Useless, incompetent nincompoops

  • Jeremy - 2011-09-01 19:16

    ...Yeah right Zuma - Just like the wonderful effort in Zimbabwe...

  • Kuifie - 2011-09-01 19:16

    Maybe mr Zuma can advise how he and his predecessors and the AU has resolved the Zim crisis??? How many people died in Zim and South Africa directly and indirectly related to the Zim problems? How many people were (and are still) being tortured in Zim? How many people are struggling and hungry and battling to survive in Zim? How many RRR's have SOuth Africa lost due to Zim (think lost investments, free medical for Zimbabweans, theft, etc). Compare that with the Nato efforts? I think Nato's plans much better than quiet diplomacy. 'Nuff said. Well Done West.

  • Gandalf - 2011-09-01 19:18

    How can you undermine an organisation with no respect? Zuma, go take your pills - you're delusional.

  • sefeddt - 2011-09-01 19:20

    If the NTC who now controll 99% of Libya wanted AU help they would have asked, by insisting that they should have the AU would have been the ones to interfere. Plenty of examples in Europe where EU/NATO intervention has helped but where in Africa has AU been even remotely succesfull.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-09-01 19:25

    It is time we put an end to this gallivanting of our politicians. This trip was totally unnecessary. A total waste of money. Talk, talk, talk. What is this man achieved (for the benefit of South Africans) to justify the cost of this trip?

  • RGL - 2011-09-01 19:36

    These pricks have no idea about foreign policy. There are no guide lines or procedures. It seems that any country/dictator other than the west is supported. It's immature and embarassing ! They're clueless. What happened to out statesmen ?

  • rasklot - 2011-09-01 19:38

    Zuma, this is an adult matter. Its best to say and do nothing at all. The rest of the competent world does not really give a rats ass wheather you do or do not support in anything in Libya. Besides, its tough when the ANC has taken handouts from Gaddafi to then turn on him and offer no support. It might be good to note for the future, dont take any money from anyone especially if their future is uncertain. Its real tough to turn your back on them when you have lined your pockets.

      Dmitri - 2011-09-01 19:43

      @rasklot - I think zuma was banking on Ghadafi to rule till the second coming and was only too glad to take the handouts.

  • 2WhiteStars - 2011-09-01 19:43

    The AU and the UN must have NO role to play in the new Libya. It was only a handful of Western nations and Gulf states that stood with the rebels - with the West taking the lion's share of responsibility, as usual. So who cares what these useless gas bags who are full of talk and short on walk have to say?

  • v3 - 2011-09-01 19:53

    "The ANC is yet to meet an anti-west tyrant it does not like" Jacob 783 was part of an AU effort to keep paymaster Gaddafi in power. This fugitive from the courts was probably getting personal backhanders (or his clan) from Gaddafi. It is also easier for a lame chicken president to creep away and make vote-catching anti-west (read: anti democracy) speeches when the country is in flames. Europe is half the distance from Tripoli than South Africa. BTW: when was the last time Gadaffi won a free and fair election?

  • Jegs - 2011-09-01 19:58

    eh...Zim? How many years done the line are we? What positive steps have been done to save the many lives (of the opposition)? AU is impotent and irrelevant.

  • doctor28 - 2011-09-01 20:03

    The AU are currently performing the same way the "league of nations" which ultimately failed as they were all talk and no action. I mean its fine to discuss peaceful resolution but if you have a dictator unwilling to give up power you have to draw the line somewhere and say enough is enough..

  • fraidycat - 2011-09-01 20:05

    Zimbabwe - that is why the AU is undermined. No other country or block of countries, trust the AU...

  • Robert Swan - 2011-09-01 20:10

    No, the AU was not undermined--they were plain lazy and had no foresight.I wonder when JZ and the AU will understand that no future lies in sitting back, hoping that Gaddafi would triumph and then counting their sorrows about the outcome. Sorry, JZ, no oil for you, no kudos and certainly no gains to be had from a losing side. Statesman in Africa? No, a disintegrating AU and your false beliefs in your credibility let you down.

  • RainbowZombi - 2011-09-02 06:12

    Mr Zuma, Forget about the rest of Africa and opening our borders for imergrants who alledgadly supportted the movement, you where elected to lead South Africa, you are failing! Concentrate on us and not on the rest of the world, firstly beable to look after your own house before trying to tell others how to look after theirs. Our country is devided fix it!!!

  • Fed-Up - 2011-09-02 12:02

    Ag Zuma grow up - the world saw how the AU and quiet diplomacy worked in Zimbabwe - fortunately for the them the streams of refugees fleeing oppression was to South Africa. In Libiya's case they stream to Europe - so if you fool your people and tell them lies and empty promises about jobs and crime and they believe you time and time again - first under Racist Mbeki (thank you Francois) and then under yourself and convincing them to vote for the ANC again, don't think the rest of the world is stupid. They see through you and your empty promises, they see through the toothless (read useless) African Union (the union that thrives on handouts from the west and then begs for more handouts while leaders squander and steal) Put your money where your mouth is, show firm leadership - NOT dictatorship - and lead in Africa, address problems and act on corruption and despots and maybe, just maybe, the world will start to have faith and give you a chance. Until then, don't cry if you have proved yourself and your peers to be lacking in sincerity, morality and integrity!

  • Mandsxoxo - 2011-09-05 11:56

    Well done to the "lunatics" for not following the Sheeple blindly. The media are controlled by the same elitists and individuals who own the world's biggest banking cartels. They have vested interests in keeping the Middle East conflict going and perpetuating this invisible "war against terrorism". Bush and Bin Laden go way back. Search for this info and you will find it. But never in mainstream media like BBC or CNN. Do you people HONESTLY believe that Bin Laden was found after almost 2 decades of being on the FBI's most wanted list? The world's number one superpower could not with all their technology find ONE man who was hiding in a cave? Wake up and smell the coffee. Zuma may not be the best man for our country in terms of leadership. But against the West, I would side with Africa any day. Watch the Zeitgeist Movement documentary - it will blow your mind away.

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