AfriForum Youth honours victims

2012-01-08 16:59

Pretoria - A wreath-laying ceremony was held in Pretoria on Sunday to honour the people who died in the ANC's terror attacks on civilians during the 1980s, AfriForum Youth said.

The ceremony coincided with the ANC's centenary and was held at the exact spot where the ANC detonated the so-called Church Street bomb on May 20 1983, national chair Charl Oberholzer said in a statement.

"We as young people feel it is important that we and our descendants not be sold out to the biased and romanticised account of the ANC's history," said Oberholzer.

Oberholzer said the wreath-laying was held on the ANC's centenary so the victims of the party's terrorist attacks and gross human rights violations won't be forgotten.

"It is a myth that all the people who took part in the struggle on the side of the ANC were immaculate heroes, while the rest have been shown up as evil."

Oberholzer said the ANC's history should include the Truth and Reconciliation Commission finding that the ANC's leadership could be held responsible for "the gross violation of human rights" on account of landmine and "other terrorist attacks".

  • Barefoot - 2012-01-08 17:10

    not a member of the ANC, will never vote- but this is honestly being disrespectful, you wonder why most black people will continue voting the ANC?

      Riaan - 2012-01-08 17:26

      Why is it disrespectful?

      Kgomotso - 2012-01-08 17:46

      If you want people to join ANC recruit them to news24 block and AfriForum nonsensical talks and endours i tell you, you will never go wrong

      Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-08 17:47

      I feel the same way Barefoot. Using murdered people as political pawns. (Thats disrespectful Riaan) Something just isn't kosher about this.

      Barefoot - 2012-01-08 18:54

      Thank you Chum wanted to respond to Riaan but couldn't find the proper words

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:18

      Honoring the death of innocents is not disrespectful, nor do I see this as using them as political pawns, This was done to show how the ANC continually wants to blame others for atrocities but forgets the gross human rights violations they themselves committed.

      Blade - 2012-01-09 10:28

      Disrespectful? You believe that the ANC deserves respect? I hope Afriforum plan to have a ceremony to honour the memory of the thousands of food producing farmers who were murdered while the government sings songs that praise this barbaric practice.

      Sharkshoot - 2012-01-09 12:45

      A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything…

      ubhejane - 2012-01-09 13:10

      @phillip.havenga. I don't agree with you for the umpteenth time. I also see nothing wrong with what Afriforum did yesterday, but for very different reasons. Very few of those white Afrikaners that were sent to that stupid counter productive war, did so out of free will. They were forced by a Nazi killer to give their lives for his selfish idiotic ideologies. How many white parents are still mourning their kids and how many young wives were widowed and how many white kids had to grow up without fathers because of this. It wasn't us who started the killing. He did. We were expected to shut up and take whatever he dished out. He felt nothing for his own people being killed. That is what it is. Nothing to do with how many of us died and how many of you died. I respect Afriforum for what they did yesterday! Good for you guys. I like people that can stand up for themselves!

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 13:15

      ubhejane the article is about civilians that were killed not soldiers, so not really sure what your point is however yes the soldiers also mostly died for no reason and didn't agree with what was going on but would have suffered had they tried to stand up.

      Hugh - 2012-01-09 13:29

      @ubhejane, I dont know how to read you, but here I commend you for your honesty. SABC News commented on a speech made by Nelson M at the Rivonia trial where by they (ANC) claim to start the violent campaign by attacking Non civilian targets. These ended up being land mines on farm roads, the Magoo Bar, a church, a shopping mall in Toti. In fact MK NEVER took on the SADF of SAPS. Sadly woman and children were murdered indiscriminately. Now these cowards have streets named after them. Afri Forum did a good thing here.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-09 13:55

      @Hugh. I'm not going to debate the whole name issue with you. Sure they could have renamed a few streets but really the whole thing became a mess. I could care less if I live in Pretoria or Tswane. We have far bigger issues to devote our attention to than changing street names or town names. But VICTORY to me will be the day I can sit side by side with Afriforum and fight for all of us. We all have paid for something that should never have happened and now we need to move on and save this place. We are on a road of self destruction and it has now become a runaway train.

      Hugh - 2012-01-10 13:00

      @ubhejane, the issue about changing a street after a murderer of woman and children is despicable to say the least. I think when all is said and done, if the ANC could live up to its manifesto they sold the whites in 1990, there would be no problem. However, the only way they can now hang on to power is to continually remind the poor and underprivileged that its the whites to blame. Keeping that fire ignited will ensure that black moderates will never look to alternative political solutions. Stoke the hate and keep the voters. Then you, as an intellectual young black man wonders where all the racist comments come from. These same racist comments on this forum from whites were the same people who voted out Apartheid in the referendum. So what went wrong?? Well the ANC did.

      Boeretroos - 2012-01-10 13:51

      Perhaps you should try telling it to those who died innocently in the bomb explosions ? Slovovites are the anc and those who support them.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-10 16:30

      @Hugh. I'm pleased I came on here and made a comment and had the opportunity to see the country through other eyes. As a Zulu, I have my own personal issues with stuff like the Voortrekker Monument and what it stands for. But if the monument makes Afrikaners remember their heritage, it is far more beneficial for the country as a whole to have happy people than unhappy people. I always follow what Afriforum does because that gives me an insight into the minds of Afrikaners. Let me start by saying there were certain aspects of Apartheid that made perfect sense. For instance. I would freak out as a father if I have children and they would want to marry anything else but a Zulu. Please no Xhosa or Tswana kids-in-law for me one day. I know that is radical and unfair, but unfortunately that is just the way I feel about it and I know Afrikaners feel the same way. But having said that, something like our ethnicity should not prevent us from running this country together. I don't want to be invited to your Christmas party and I'm sure you don't want to sit through one of my tribal occasions, but we are both South Africans and the time has come for all of us to stand up against a very corrupt government. I respect that the voice of Pieter Mulder is there to guard over the Afrikaner interest, but I want him to be my voice too. I know the thought of this will freak everybody out, but do you understand what I'm trying to say? Cont. below.....

      ubhejane - 2012-01-10 16:44

      We can no longer fight a racial battle in the light of our current problems. If we are going to get anywhere all our opposition parties should form a coalition and fight together. I have my own issues with Mrs. Zille, but at this moment in time she is my only hope to save this country. Deeply scarred as I am by Apartheid and now by what the ANC is doing to our country, I can't allow my childhood memories of Apartheid to blind me now and just follow the herd into oblivion. Is my thinking so out of whack that I can be so wrong to want to unite us all? Do blacks and whites want to hate each other forever? We need to unite if we are going to survive what lies ahead for us.

  • Sello - 2012-01-08 17:12

    Small kids crying for attention. If they only knew the real truth not sugar coated truth by apartheid government propaganda

      Wall - 2012-01-08 17:39

      Sello, I honestly want to know the "real truth" as you call it. I was born in 1986, so by the time I had a brain, Apartheid was over. I don't want to believe propaganda from either side - the series that was on SABC 2 this week, "Have you heard from Johannesburg", for example, was incredibly informative and interesting... but it didn't make any real mention of these terror attacks. Is the truth somewhere inbetween? Was it the ANC leadership who ordered the terror attacks, or simply ANC members who were getting impatient (and perhaps whose hatred got the better of them)? Was it the Apartheid government who ordered beatings/shooting of random people in townships, or simply horrible police officers acting on their own will? Or were these raids in the townships only in response to uprisings? I honestly want an impartial account, but I don't know if it's possible to hear one.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:21

      Sello sugar coated truth from apartheid? Are you mentally challenged? There is no sugar coating the atrocities that were carried out under apartheid, however that does not give ANYONE A VALID reason to murder innocents. These people were murdered in cold blood by less than human individuals and should be honored in the same manner that the innocents that fell victim to apartheid atrocities should be honored.

  • Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-08 17:43

    Certainly those who died in terrorist attacks need to be remembered. I don't like the way they do on on the day of the ANC centenary celebrations, to me it is using the victims for political purposes. It just seems wrong to me, a lack of respect for those who died. A political tool, the same as the ANC uses the "land issue" as a tool. Something is just vrot about this, I don't like it.

      Johan - 2012-01-08 18:35

      Kgomotso. To answer your question: "The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period." There you have it. Blacks have killed close on 4000 white farmers since 1994. And that's JUST farmers, JUST FARMERS. Not whites killed in home invasions, "botched" car hijackings, etc. So now that you have the answer, what is it that you want to talk about?

      Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-08 18:40

      Do you understand now Kgomotso, if you want to use numbers make sure they don't backfire on you. Thanks Johan.

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:50

      Kgomotso, give me proof, give me links, give me information!! Don't just suck something out of your thumb without proof!

      emile.eley - 2012-01-08 20:45

      Do you morons not understand the difference between State murder and criminality? Your stupidity is astounding. And please don't believe everything you read on the Net, especially when you guys profess to be the experts.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:26

      Kgomotso do not try and make up things when you realise that your argument is pointless and flawed. It is exceptionally confused people such as yourself that prevent this country from moving forward.

      Sharkshoot - 2012-01-08 22:30

      Heibrin - 2012-01-09 04:38

      @emile.eley: Actually, your stupidity is astounding - the number Johan mentioned is the number as it was found by the TRC, and constitutes deaths by security forces during apartheid. In contrast the number of blacks killed by the ANC in its various training & death camps, as well as townships etc. numbers over 10x more. No internet blogs, just the TRC report. And I'll remind you that this was an ANC led investigation. Moron.

      Heibrin - 2012-01-09 05:02

      @Kgomotso: Read the TRC report, then we'll talk. Your terrorist organisation (a.k.a the ANC) killed more innocents than the whole of the SA security services. And you know what the saddest part of it all is: most of those they killed where supposed to be their own 'comrades'.

      Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-09 05:51

      Oh dear Kgomotso. Yes, it would be interesting to see how many farm workers were killed by farmers since 1994. I doubt it would be much more than 5. Stop digging a grave for the case you are trying to make. Thousands of farmers have being murdered by blacks since 1994. You are failing, try different examples perhaps?

      Blade - 2012-01-09 10:32

      @Emile state murder? We are talking about the murder of farmers in a country where the STATE goes to court to defend their "right" to sing a song that translates to "Shoot the farmer".....I think you are the moron.

      Senzo - 2012-01-09 15:51

      @Johan, I'd assume you are educated. Surely an educated person like you would not believe only 600 black people died between 1940 to 1994. If you are not educated then I withdraw my comment...

  • Stefan - 2012-01-08 17:48

    The Apartheid Government is (and should be) condemned for the attrocities they committed. The ANC should also be condemned for the attrocities they committed. If you use violence against civilians to create terror, you are a terrorist by definition and there is no use in trying to sugarcoat it. Any organisation guilty of violence against unarmed civilians should not be celebrated, but should hang their heads in shame (and I am including all sides in this statement).

      bongani.pasha - 2012-01-08 18:27

      fire must be fought with fire,that which the ANC did by bombing white establishments was merely to retaliate against the apartheid and murderous regime that killed and maimed our comrades and their families,in order to achieve freedom in our lifetime.

      Stefan - 2012-01-08 18:44

      Firstly, the people killed by the terrorists were not only whites, but blacks as well. And secondly, whoever told you that fire must be fought with fire, was misinforming you. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. You were fed propaganda intended to breed hate and mistrust. Real soldiers (or real men) will not harm defenseless civilians, they will take their fight to the "murderous regime that killed their comrades."

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 18:54

      Seek the facts. I know that facts are not very popular under this corrupt regime, but fact of matter is that less people died under 50 years of apartheid than under 17 yrs of the ANC regime, and then I am not even including the million babies murdered by abortion through ANC legislation. Then you must also keep in mind that many of the ones who died under apartheid, were actually brutally and savagely murdered by the ANC and their murderous sympathisers. So, stop presenting yoursel as the heroic "freedom fighters" while in reality being criminal, and very often, cowardly murderers.

      bongani.pasha - 2012-01-08 20:00

      @stefan point of correction freedom fighters not "terrorists" as the evil apartheid regime reffered to them.

      john.duplessis2 - 2012-01-08 20:28

      So SPM Mulovhedsi, if I take your logic, whites are justified to kill innocent blacks because ANC supporters are murdering farmers. Really, you should not talk where grown ups are talking my boy, go play outside!

      Stefan - 2012-01-08 20:54

      Bongani, it is different words for the same thing. Yes, they were freedom fighters because they (as the word indicates) fought for freedom. They were also terrorists because they ran a terror campaign by attacking civilians. We are both right.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 21:27

      Freedom fighters go after military and government targets. Terrorists go after civilians.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:30

      bongani & Sedzani so you are saying that I would be justified in planting bombs and blowing up innocent people today because I can not sit by and watch the ANC cause the murder of thousands of people because of their inability to act on crime? how would you feel if one of those bombs totally justified by your thinking killed an innocent family member of yours? you lack common sense and logic and are blinded by your inability to see any further than your own misguided hatred.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 20:11

      Sit back and watch? What a laugh. The ANC and their sympathisers killed more black people during apartheid than the government of the day did, and that is a fact.

  • werner.smidt - 2012-01-08 18:01

    No one is innocent. History is written by the victors. The ANC punishment camps in Angola. Bundu bashing using a black guy as a bumper. Robert McBride's involvement in the bombing of Magoo's Bar. You have to accept all of these facts for each of them to remain the truth. There is nothing we can do about the past and it's best not to live vicariously. For those getting back to work tomorrow, good luck :)

      Stefan - 2012-01-08 18:46

      An open minded, truthfull viewpoint.

  • Sam - 2012-01-08 18:02

    Graziella is nt that stupid like you fools, the information is freely available and has been displayed all day long on etv news, again that mark the words of Kenneth Kaunda last night when he said you south african whites are foolish

  • bongani.pasha - 2012-01-08 18:18

    victims or oppressors?

      bongani.pasha - 2012-01-08 18:50

      it`s a petty that this forum is flooded by white racists who have access to broadband,if our fellow black brothers and sisters who are economically oppressed could afford to be on the net,we wouldn`t be exposed to such gross insult towards blacks and our liberation movement by white minority,but one day god will answer our prayers and we`ll achieve economic freedom in our lifetime,as much as we managed to flush apartheid.

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 19:16

      A 34 yr old housewife and children, aged 2 and 9, oppressors. Really? Exactly how those murderous and cowardly terrorists "reasoned" when they planted a landmine which could only blow up civilians, and then ran for their lives(in heroic fashion of course)

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:18

      Boogani. You are right, getting the "masses" would be the best thing that could happen for SA. The reason the masses keep voting ANC is because they don't know of the corruption and theft happening. All they see is what the ANC tells them. Corruption, tender fraud, etc, all that stuff never gets told. The internet would fill in allot of gaps for them.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 21:29

      I love how some people defend corruption: "You dont want to see a black man prosper"

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:50

      bongani, lets just get one thing straight, murder is murder, theft is theft. For just one minute stop seeing things through your hatred tinted glasses. This has nothing to do with race this has to do with both sides, ANC and the Nationalist Parties being held responsible for murderous actions irrelevant of the race of the individuals involved. Until you and others with your viewpoint realise that, this country will never move on.

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-01-10 03:59

      Bongani your problem is that you have the need to defend the ANC on an intellectual level and find that you are unable to do so. This is because you believe that the ANC did NOTHING wrong and if they did it was because they were forced to do so by the "evil apartheid government". When you are confronted with the truth your believes are challenged and your arguments are falls apart. Now you want to cry "Viva the ANC", and find comfort in numbers but the medium does not allow you to shut our debate. You attract critisism of your liberation movement personally. You will continue to loose arguments until you accept the truth; the ANC's history is stained by the blood of innocent people. The organisation is not what you hold it up to be. Supporters of apartheid had to go through the same process, so good luck.

  • Sithando - 2012-01-08 18:19

    I am so scared AND some how happier because of the side effects of apartheid, they are more prevalent on the inventors than on the intended victims.'SO' tell me who is the 'VICTIM'?

  • Eugene - 2012-01-08 18:31

    @Kgomotso...lets talk

      Kgomotso - 2012-01-08 19:18

      propanga does the website address farm worker attack, murder, and non payment i bet not

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:31

      Kgomotso, again. Please provide proof. I have challenged SO many blacks to come back with proof, no-one ever does. They just throw accusations out there that they "heard from somewhere". Come, prove me wrong. Show me the proof of the countless farm workers turtured, etc. "Close to 100000 whites have been killed since 1994." Come, what you got?

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:38

      What is Propanga? Propaganda possibly. Is that "propanga" ? Where's your proof?????

  • Sam - 2012-01-08 18:34

    Apartheid had to end period, using violence or peaceful demos... Jealousy makes u nasty

      Sam - 2012-01-08 18:35

      E fedile mosebetsi o phetilwe

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 21:31

      So lets end the ANC, using violence and 'peaceful demos'. Your party needs to die just like apartheid.

      Sam - 2012-01-08 21:51

      Little knowledge is dangerous, ANC wasn't created for Apartheid, Apartheid was created for ANC. Did you know Aparheid was created in 1948? U know when was the ANC created? I will not make sense to end the ANC because the goal hasn't been achieved yet. Read, read and read knowledge is power...

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 21:56

      Apartheid had to end, but so does the current high crime rate, so by your logic I can now start bombing government and public places to bring about this outcome? No, I am afraid that you lack any form of human compassion and as such have no place on this planet.

      Sam - 2012-01-08 22:37

      Phillip it is pointless to say anything to you, what I said is too higher grade for you. Get a little bit of education, then we can talk. Who is doing the crime? Why do we have another member of the ANC (Thuli Madonsela) working as a public protector. Thuto ha e tsofalwe dumbo....

      Sam - 2012-01-08 22:40

      Cool lets say maybe ANC support crime, why is SELEBI in prison, Why is Bheki seated, why was the public able to pressure the gov to re-open the ARMS case. I know for a fact with you IQ u think there is crime only in SA. I will really suggest u read other countries papers and stop limiting yourself to news 24.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 23:59

      "Why is Selebi in prison?" He's not getting Shabir Shaked? "why was the public able to pressure the gov to re-open the ARMS case" The public has been trying for years with no success. It was only after jacob realised he could target his 'enemies in the party' that the armsdeal was reopened. Just like apartheid apologists, you are an ANC apologist.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 06:38

      Sam my silly little fool I actually have an above average IQ can you say the same? Knowledge is power you say? Well then I strongly suggest you get some knowledge, lets for example start with how South Africa actually belongs the the Khoisan, has the ANC given them their land/country back?

      Sam - 2012-01-09 07:39

      Philip big fool, did you know that Isixhosa is a khoisan word, Zulu is a Xhosa word, Ndebele come from Zulu. Eeeish I know you will not be able to connect the dots. Let me spoon feed you one time. There is no Nguni in our language, there has never been an Nguni person in SA, the gov has been forcing us telling us we are nguni we all know that we are not. Xhosa is Khoisan with less clicks, Zulu is Xhosa with even lesser clicks and so on. But that is way too higher grade for u I don't really expect you to be able to under understand, it will blow you mind. Lets say in a hypothetical world whereby your not afraid of book and learning, you go to WITS University, and the you go to a department where they do genetic traces, there is one they were they were running traces on South African just read, u will see SA people have always been SA people, little knowledge is the main problem. Or just google Mandela's genetical trace u will see. If yr mind is too small to comprehend it I understand, it is not yr fault

      Sam - 2012-01-09 07:42

      lets make it simpler try to find out one word not two, two is too much for u. Find how traditional healer is pronounced and spelled in khoisan and compare it to Doctor in Xhosa, suprised!!!! yeeah I know...

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 07:58

      Sam go rest your little head before it explodes. I will never condone the killing of innocent people because of a governments actions. I will also however not condone the killing of innocent people by any government, unfortunately you are too blinded too see that utlimately both actions are the same. The cANCer must go and along with it people like yourself that condone murder.

      Sam - 2012-01-09 11:14

      kwaaa... Ur moron Phillip but we like u anyway. I have never said I condone killing of innocent people, if you have evidence that our current gov is killing innocent people please help, we as ANC loyal members have been fighting tooth and nail to get rid of corrupt elements. Please call the public protectors office they will investigate... that's what we hired her for... ***Jaloors bokkie, Jaloors bokkie, swaar sal jy kry, ek se jou swaar sal jy kry, on na die geel.... singing**

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 13:19

      Sam the ANC bombed innocent civilians, the ANC has allowed the crime rate to spiral out of control, which involves the murdering of innocent people of all races. So yes the ANC does kill innocents with their inability to handle criminals. This is not a race issue but a political parties blatant disregard for human life issue.

      Sam - 2012-01-09 14:38

      Cool Phillip you win, since they won election in 1994 they have been bombing civilians, left and right. You know what, I will take your grievance to my seniors and we will look into it. Just give me more supporting evidence so that we can build a strong case, dates and locations. Phill on the flip side are u aware if we were thinking like you guys almost all whites were gonna go to prison. I will really like to thank the Lord for making me Black, Reasonable and forgiving. I don't know about other people but for me today it feels good to be African. I was reading this article about the blue bulls ex player who killed a cop on duty. Every white person was just blindly supporting the white guy, not even looking what transpired, it is really a disgrace and then u have the nerve to talk about smart and dumb.... really now...?

      Santia Mulder - 2012-01-09 16:05

      Sam how many afrikaners died on the borders? Not just protecting whites but blacks as well...but still today you choose to think of us as evil murderers. Just think what would of happened if you were just an inkling of a treat to the british as the boere was. That part of our history everyone chooses to forget but the rest is reminded every day...just a thought.

      Sam - 2012-01-09 16:37

      @Mulder, it is really not that, if you read listen or listened to any part of the speeches yesterday there were a lot of white heroes that were remembered. Joe Slovo etc, and after the speeches there was another 2 min or so that was give to thank all white South Africans who played part in the liberation of the people of SA. Even the freedom charter itself if you read it it states very clear that we don't see whites as enemies. No matter how hard we try to teach people in SA that (we are against both white and black domination) they don't allow their narrow minds get free from the feeling that we see them as enemies. Sometime if we say negative things about white it is not because we hate them or anything it gets boring sometimes to reason to someone who only thinks in terms of race, who never even bothers looking at the issue, all he he cares about is race (we are all human race there is no other race on this planet)

      Sam - 2012-01-09 16:41

      I am going to tryna teach u anyway. For every little action there is a reaction (Newtons third law of motion) Native were kille for years without fighting back right, And the gov wasn't willing to burge.... U are hurt over about ten or so whites that were killed even today u still have beef. for F*** sake fo a min turn it around and for a minute, not two try to imagine how those guys were feeling at the time. There were hundreds of natives killed, kom nous staal kop, like Mathew 7:12. Botha made it very clear that he is not going to change his mind in his 1984/5 statement. So it meant talk talk talk wasn't gonna work. Hypothetically speaking lets say yr smart and yr doing an experiment, if yr apparatus fail a over and over again are u gonna continue with the same aparatus or are u going to add some changes. Look after the introduction of the ARMS struggle things started moving fast. It was a catalyst. Please stop talking now Phillip, yr wasting the air other people could have been using for better things. Yr smart, and u can reason logically, u won... daaam..... Never try to talk sense to a fool, yr just wasting yr time

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 16:51

      Sam firstly you insulted me by implying that murdering innocent people is justifiable "Apartheid had to end period, using violence or peaceful demos... Jealousy makes u nasty" Apartheid was an atrocity and should never have happened, no one should be judged by their race, gender, religion etc. The FACT is that the crime rate is out of control and the ANC have done nothing to try and curb it, so I ask you again would I be justified in blowing up civilians to prove my point? Would this make me any better than the murderers I am protesting against? The ANC should have attacked government installations not civilians. If the ANC truly had the interest of the people at heart they would be doing much more to curb the crime rate as opposed to lining their own pockets. FACT. Further more I by no means detract from the fact that at the time the ANC was fighting for what they believed in and they were right in their beliefs but very wrong in the manner in which they fought for them.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 16:56

      Ultimately Sam you need to understand I am not anti black I am anti ANC, I am against any organisation that tries to point fingers at others when there are three pointing back at them. We need a party that can guide the country and I am afraid that currently there is none.

      Anthony - 2012-01-09 18:47

      Yes there is DA. and they have proved them selfs, look at WP

      Santia Mulder - 2012-01-09 19:02

      Out of the mouth and mind of one...unfortunatly you can not speak and act for all...

      Santia Mulder - 2012-01-09 19:03

      Out of the mouth and mind of one...unfortunatly you can not speak and act for all...

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 19:30

      I agree that the DA has done a great job in the Western Cape, however they are struggling to unite the people hence why I said that there isn't currently a party that can guide the country.

      Sam - 2012-01-09 20:27

      @Phillip, 1. Did you check the crime stats for last year? They have all dropped except the ones against woman, since the are still about the same. If you look at the time Bheki Cele was in office he did some changes and they worked even though he wasn't clean himself, lease scandal. You may not know this. Before 1994, there weren't any ANC members in any leadership position in the country. That is why PW Botha strongly believe that there is no ways a black gov can do it, they gonna run the country to the ground mainly because of lack of experience, and in a way he was right, the lack of experience did show. And SA is coming from a violent bg, police wipping people etc (I don't expect you to know this because the violence may have not affected you, so it is not your fault). Moving from a highly violent environment to a peaceful one we knew it is gonna take a bit of time. The poverty ain't helping either.... the unemployment, I really believe that cooperate SA can help a lot here but that another story. I am convinced beyond reasonable doubt that soon the ANC will be lead by someone who hasn't been in exile... an academic... Lastly the ANC wasn't pointing fingers yesterday, they were reflecting.... and strategizing for the future. We want there to be opposition, it keeps us in check. aag enough schooling for today gud nite

      Sam - 2012-01-09 21:12

      Phillip do you understand though why did the ANC had to take a firm step at one point (during the Apartheid error)?

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-09 22:27

      Sam if you read my comment I answer your question I know why the ANC did it, I however still do not believe that the murder of innocent people can be condoned. We need a ruling party born out of the spirit of working together, one which consists of all races, all religions and both men and woman. A party that will wright history accurately and impartially. It is time the people of South Africa benefited not just a few politicians.

      Moi - 2012-01-10 11:21

      @Sam - " too higher grade for u" You need to find yourself a better catch phrase. Higher Grade doesn't count for much these days.

  • Eugene - 2012-01-08 18:37

    There are 40,000 white farmers in South Africa. Over 1200 have been brutally murdered since 1994 - the year the Marxist African National Congress, backed by the United Nations, European Union, Russia, China and the U.S. State Department, took power. Add to this another 6,000 attacks and the white Boer Afrikaner farmer is easily the highest at-risk murder group on Earth. The ANC has responded to this crisis by blaming whites and putting a ban on crime statistics because they scare off foreign investment.

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 19:22

      FACT: More has died in 17 yrs of ANC rule than 50 yrs under apartheid, and that excludes the million babies(mostly black) killed by abortion ito ANC legislation.

      Graziella - 2012-01-08 19:25

      The FACT you mention is only in you imagination. You have no reliable stats from the apartheid government to compare to.

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 19:43

      And what is more, is that most who died under apartheid, were killed by blacks. Hiding facts and stats, has only been refined under the present regime. As they are massacreing unborn babies, mostly black, through abortion. Around a million now since late 90s and counting---

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:45

      @Sedzani P M Mulovhedzi, really??? That's laughable? How died during apartheid? No really, please, enlighten me. All you got to do is Google "blacks killed during apartheid", and then read any of the links that comes up. Easy. During apartheid: Blacks killed by apartheid forces: 518 Blacks killing OTHER blacks: 9325 Whites killed since 1994 (mostly by blacks) Close to, if not over 100,000 already. So, you were saying? Where's your proof??

      Wall - 2012-01-09 11:01

      The farm murders are atrocities, yes. But it doesn't mean that the deaths during apartheid can be condoned in any way, and they also can't really be compared because the one was a direct act of government and the other is due to government inaction. Please stop comparing the two, it makes it sound like you condone apartheid. But yes, I do agree that crime and abortion in the last 17 years are sickening, and that is why I will not support the ANC. People who say, "Yes, the ANC isn't doing things right, but we'll vote for them anyway because that's how we were raised," are no better than the people who voted NP in apartheid years just because that's what everyone did.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 12:30

      Make your own assessment- you dont have to believe me. Just follow the guidelines, or are you to afraid what the result might be?

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 12:34

      Wall- I am not with you, so help me out. You are saying the ANC sympathisers killed black because of the NP government. Can you explain?

      Wall - 2012-01-09 12:51

      Hmmm, no... I don't quite get what you're saying. :P I was just responding to the trend of comparing the black deaths during apartheid (518 according to Johan) with the white deaths since (100000 according to Johan). Most people who have used this argument make it sound like the deaths during apartheid were okay, considering there have been many more since then. It's not necessarily what they mean, but it sounds that way. And it's not a good comparison, because it's two different types of incidents. That make more sense?

      bongani.pasha - 2012-01-09 15:33

      @johan the website that you are alluding to"I luv SA,but i hate my goverment"was authored by some white right wing group,they are trying to distort the truth about the atrocities that were carried out by the evil and murderous apartheid regime under the command of the devils like verwoerd,malan,smuts,botha and the likes.Please stop trying to mitigate the ills that were committed by your regime on blacks.

      Dewald - 2012-01-09 16:16

      @at everyone shut the f&*kup move one. Be honest to yourself what the F&*k is this mudslinging helping really??? move on take hands and build this country. No government is going to do it for us. Polys all over the world stuff the their fat stupid faces and pretend to care. Democracy is supose to be power to the people. So how simple is it really? if a government doesnt deliver on what they promised give someone else a chance. The ANC is becoming more and more complacent. They not delivering. Its time start the revolution and actually get democracy going. This my friends is not democracy. We still struggling and not against any evil, against ourselves because the masses cant use their own power to excersise democracy.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 16:23

      Johan- Yes, they dont want to hear about past devils- they want to know about the present racist,thieving, murderous devils in the regime

  • Sithando - 2012-01-08 19:08

    In a nut shell, the world is applauding the ANC for its success and for being a reference to how to approach the difficulties posed to you by the ignorant regimens. What is afriforum....? by the way.. which planet are they from? aliens.

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 19:25

      The world? Go and analyze who that "world" is. Some of the most oppresive regimes in human history and opportunists like Cameron

  • Vusani - 2012-01-08 19:12

    who takes this racist right wing serioulsy??? they are jst a bunch of attention seeking group jst like their grandfathers Eugen tereblanche(even animals neva took this idiot seriously),botha,john voster who never won with the ANC. the ANC will rule until until and they will keep calling the ANC "My government" for now Zuma will be their President.

      Johan - 2012-01-08 19:48

      Who takes the racist ANCYL seriously???

      Dirk - 2012-01-08 20:11

      The word "government" implies that there should be some signs of areas being governed. Right now, those with their eyes open and who are able to count to ten and higher,just sees theft, gross incompetence,plunder, theft, corruption and nepotism, rape ect ect. Do you actually realise that the country is in a state of collapse which will devastate all? Do you want to know what the world really thinks of SA? FDI( Foreign Direct Investment) has dropped by 70 %. Studies( eg Toscafund) has shown that SA will be a wasteland in a few short yrs. If the regime wants to be recognised as a government, they need to start governing, and right now, there are no indications of that happening.

      Graziella - 2012-01-08 20:29

      Perhaps the fall in FDI is more the responsibility of corporations who'd rather have free access to slave labour than free people and not the fault of the ANC who merely wanted all our people to be free, and not slaves to a system that kept people in their place according to the colour of their skin, and not their worth as free individuals. Those who see in SA an unmitigated disaster need to open their eyes. Yes there are problems, but the good in many ways outweighs the bad.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 05:30

      Fact of the matter, is that SA is on a threshold of collapse. And dont think that if you have a job and a few rand in the bank, you OK. The SA currency is going to turn into Monopoly money. The black population(and whites)is about to discover what hunger, oppression and slavery truly means- as they have already discovered elsewhere in Africa.

      Graziella - 2012-01-09 08:13

      It can't be "fact" just because YOU wish or think it will be so. You are just speculating, and a lot of people have made a kiling from speculation.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 08:53

      You are in a fools paradise. I do not guess. Although there is a little more to it, go ahead and write a critical essay under the headings of political, economic and social challenges. Providing you are objective,and leave emotion out of your assessment, you will come to a conclusion which is frightening. Begin by the "least important"- social challenges. You may well not have to go further than that.

      Graziella - 2012-01-09 11:04

      The problem with a colonial mindset is that it is self-justifying. It judges everything (including that which succeeds it) in the light of its own presumptions.

      Blade - 2012-01-09 11:19

      @Graziella the problem with the victim and entitlement mindset is that you will never do anything for yourselves and SA will end up like the rest of Africa.Enjoy and start polishing your begging bowl.

      Graziella - 2012-01-09 11:39

      I have read previously that, in neural operations, the brain is apt to recognise well known patterns and ignore or distort new inputs to try and make them fit old patterns. The phrase 'I'll believe it when I see it' is actually backwards - it's actually 'I'll see it when I believe it'. Little cool analysis, big hot conclusions, too often.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 12:37

      Go and do the assessmnt yourself- just keep to the guidelines. Or are you afraid of what you might find?

      Graziella - 2012-01-09 13:42

      Nice to see your crystal ball is working. If it's so reliable any chance of getting the lottery numbers for this Tuesday?

      Santia Mulder - 2012-01-09 15:30

      Graziella when they said you could smoke grass I'm pretty sure they didn't mean any bossie in the veld... You are talking some non sense... :)

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 16:30

      I am not guessing- I suggested that YOU write the essay. Afraid of the result? Its not rocket science-just be objective and honest with yourself

      Anthony - 2012-01-09 18:49

      vote DA

  • Sinesipho Mbusi - 2012-01-08 19:35

    Ag, whatever helps you sleep. *rolls eyes*. Onto more relevant things...

  • Sarel - 2012-01-08 20:06

    The only ANC member I have respect for is Nelson Mandela. And he was a terrorist, who planted bombs and killed innocent people. But when he became president he seemed like the only one willing to reach out all South Africans. He was no saint, but he had the selfless mindset that you dont ever see in a politician. But he could not continue his legacy. And the ANC is enjoying riding on the success Mandela had, and all the POSSIBILITIES of wealth, power and reverse oppression... believing they are entitled to it, and everything that goes wrong is apartheid's (the white man's) fault.

      Wall - 2012-01-09 11:10

      The thing I think Mandela did right was to get past what happened. He gave the impression (and from quote of his I've read, I believe it's how he felt) that he did the things he did because he believed it was the only way to bring about change. BUT, when the change occurred, like you say, he made an effort to reach out to everyone. If he, who was so intensely involved, could make the choice to forgive and move past the past and build towards the future, why can't others do the same?

  • willemien.vanwyk - 2012-01-08 20:18

    The first time I was old enough to vote, I voted for an end to apartheid. It was a dehumanising and abhorrent system. I love our country and want to use my skills to build a better life for all of us. Please do not believe that all afrikaners feel the way that the people on this forum would have you think. (I have many friends that are trying, in their small way, to repair the damage of the past). Most of us have better things to do than participate in the racist rants that pass for dialogue on this forum.

      Graziella - 2012-01-08 20:26

      Whilst our country does have its problems it is not in a bad position given its recent history, and it remains a democratic country. Our economy continues to grow despite the global downtown. At least the majority of the population now have a chance to live free and try and make the best of their lives and our country. Bearing in mind that the aim of Apartheid was to keep the black man in a permanent state of servitude, we have first of all to appreciate the magnitude of the tasks facing the ANC. South Africa was never going to morph into middle England just because it had colonial versions of metropolitan institutions in place. So talk of African disasters is just falling back on old lazy prejudices.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-08 20:26

      I could not have said it better myself. God bless.

      Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-09 06:06

      Graziella, no doubt the end of apartheid has improved the lives of black people. But surely you cannnot be satisfied with the progress the ANC has made. Things should have been much much better by now, but the ANC leaders have focussed on self enrichment instead of looking after the people. They were on the right track for about 5 years, but as soon as Mandela left they completely changed direction. A lot is now seriously wrong with this country - think of state health institutions. And racism is worse than it ever has been, fuelled by an ANC that finds racism a very useful tool to divert attention from their failures. The current ANC is not honest, the only excuse they have for their failure now is their gross obsession with self enrichment above all else. And yes, this has seriously alienated the white portion of our country, we (or most of us) did not expect things to get so out of hand. Very very dissapointing!

      Wall - 2012-01-09 11:19

      I was a young child, living abroad (temporarily) with my family in 1994. Before then, I had learnt about the racist policies that had been in place in America - about Martin Luther King Jnr, Rosa Parks, etc - and I thought it was absolutely atrocious that people could treat other people that way just because of their skin colour. In the school I attended, everyone was friends - different melanin levels had as much impact on our social lives as different hair colour. So I couldn't imagine racist systems, it just didn't make sense... My parents didn't tell me about Apartheid at that stage - they wanted to protect me from that shame, and wait until it was really necessary to know. So when Mandela became president, the only thing I knew about him was that he had been in jail for very long, and it shocked me that a "criminal" could become my country's president. When my American teacher told me WHY he had been in jail, and about Apartheid, I burst into tears - it shocked me that the country I missed and loved so much, could do something so horrible to its citizens. With that mindset, I moved back to SA. And I want to scream from the rooftops, like Willemien said, not all Afrikaners are racists, not all of us "long for apartheid" (like someone said somewhere else), some of us really just want everyone to have a better life.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 16:38

      The ANC regime inherited the strongest economy on the continent of Africa, despite having to endure sanctions. Elsewhere in Africa, the honeymoon period after colonialism, Uhru. apartheid or whatever lasts around 15 yrs before collapse. Naturally in SA it would take a little longer, around 6-7 yrs. We are on 17 yrs, and all indications are that SA should see its own demise in about 5-6 yrs from now- yet another failed African state- actually the last one

  • mamoshianem1 - 2012-01-08 21:10

    Let face the truth Afriforum is envy for ANC's 100 yrs celebration.What happened to your National Party.Let me guess ,you gave it a facelift then you rename it DA.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-08 21:36

      "The DA will bring apartheid back". The NP merged with the ANC boetie.

      Wall - 2012-01-09 11:23

      Dude, do you know your history? The DA started as an anti-Apartheid movement - then known as the Progressive Party, the Progressive Reform Party and the Progressive Federal Party. It fought Apartheid actively. It was known as the Democratic Party in the 1990s. Yes, the NNP briefly allied with the DP (which was then renamed to DA) in 2000, but then the NNP left the alliance to join the ANC.

      TheWatcher - 2012-01-09 12:01

      ooh that's got to sting

      Santia Mulder - 2012-01-09 15:04

      Do you just fart out these thoughts and copy them on here??? Just wondering...

  • Pixie86 - 2012-01-08 21:50

    in a war there are casualties on both sides and those who died should be commemorated, but it was unneccesary and childish for afriforum to choose today. It makes it appear as though they're fighting. I wish people would stop it with the number of white farmers who died, because how many black people have died since 1652. Look, the fact is black people were oppressed and they fought for their freedom. Don't try to take that away from them. Apartheid will never be right. It could have been so easy in 1994 for mandela to say and eye for an eye and impose those same laws on white people, but he didn't. He reached out to white people and all i see is them throwing the olive branch in our faces! Let go, damn it! The only way we can move forward is if we stand as one and this constant hatred will get us no where!

      Chum Scrubber - 2012-01-09 06:11

      We grabbed the olive branch when it was offered. The current ANC took it back from us and has used it to whip us. The hatred you refer to is very real, but it is fueled by the ANC. If the ANC had remained an honest organisation, we would not be in the situation we are in today. The ANC is in the process of manufacturing a radical right wing - a nice tool for them to use, they can stay in power purely by using fear of a return to apartheid. Wit gevaar. Nat tactics. Very devious.

      Heiku - 2012-01-09 15:10

      It wouldnt have been easy for Mandela to take the "eye for an eye" route in 94. Because of international pressure.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-01-08 21:56

    all these disgruntled white people who give all other white south africans a bad name hide behind user names in web forum spewing racist gabbage that will never lead this country anywhere! Enough with the DA and ANC arguements! Enough with the stereotypes and assumptions! The core problem is white south africans don't understand black south africans and they don't want to which is why all this hate is building! instead of being so quick to judge have you educated yourself first? Why is it your way or the highway?

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-08 22:10

      Pixie it is not always a case of "my or the highway" with all white people, ultimately all that I ask is that history is kept impartial and accurate not sweeping atrocities committed by one side under the rug because it benefits them to justify some truly heinous actions. The ANC fought and got what they wanted now it is time for them to acknowledge that some of their actions were no better than the Nationalist Parties and then we can all move forward and build a country and a future in which no one will be treated as a lower person based on their race, religion etc.

      Heinrich - 2012-01-08 22:42

      No, Pixie man! Your first sentence gave me some hope, but then... "The core problem is white south africans don't understand black south africans" You fell into the same racist generalization pothole.

      Silver - 2012-01-09 11:23

      @Pixie86: I still have images I wish to purge from my mind. Picture of a boy (about 6) still in his school uniform with his backpack still on hanged next to his little sister and her mother. One of a few I have. Since the early days there have been documented accounts of what the African is capable off. Go read how white babies where smashed against rocks and trees crushing them. Go read how a little girl gets executed. Read how children are butchered and ground up as "medicine". It is not a question of understanding. The white culture can't rationalize a lot of what has and is being done today. It's a question of fear and by all rights we are justified to fear the African for what he did and what he is capable off. Reality is no assumption. See what goes on around you and discover that liberalism is just another word for self justifying victim.

  • Moss - 2012-01-08 22:07

    Give them the Dutch passports, they should also take their khakhi shorts

      Wall - 2012-01-09 11:26

      I am not, and never will be, Dutch. That's like saying black South Africans should move back to central Africa.

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 12:41

      You too, should go back to where you came from. Is it west, central or easr Africa. Oh, and take your loin cloth and assegai with you

  • Drogo - 2012-01-09 08:17

    What about the 37 ANC leaders (including pres. Thabo Mbeki) who applied for political amnesty, but which blanket amnesty by the TRC was aside by the High Court? They have not received amnesty to date and should be put on trial for their human rights violations! Why is nothing being done about this situation? It is conveniently ignored.

  • Dave - 2012-01-09 08:19

    Thanks Afri-Forum for remembering those who also died during that period. Sadly like any war nobody has benefited -to my friends and family who are no longer with us - RIP

  • Randomhero6661 - 2012-01-09 08:54

    this article : the further separation of black and white...sad!

  • motsoka - 2012-01-09 10:52

    I hate it when people talk about who killed who during aparthied... As much it was disgusting... Black people were sent 40000000 steps back and it will take probably 10 generations to get back to normal

      Silver - 2012-01-09 11:10

      Define "normal".

      motsoka - 2012-01-09 11:33

      Normal where can say ok equal opportunities for every one.... Where we are all really equal

      Blade - 2012-01-09 11:41

      Black people had yet to invent the wheel when the first whites came to Africa on sailing vessels using mathematics to navigate the globe...

      motsoka - 2012-01-09 11:58

      @Blade who said we wanted the wheel? You came here and forced ur system onto us... Kicked us of our own lands and then gave an adequate education and made sure we stay in poverty to the point that even today we stil have to start from scratch coz our parents could not give us anything to build on

      TheWatcher - 2012-01-09 12:15

      @motsoka so what has improved for the average south african with dark skin since the ANC came to power? Apartheid and the colonies were bad, nobody denies that. I just haven't seen any improvement in the life of the average joe since the ANC came to power. In fact I've talked to black(for lack of a better term) people who claim that life was better under Botha.

      motsoka - 2012-01-09 12:19

      @The Watcher the improvement is not going to come after 17 years... Come on the damage is huge... The ANC had to begin at the ground

      TheWatcher - 2012-01-09 12:30

      Then why aren't they fixing the education system? Its in shambles. Where does all the taxpayer's money go and why do they need to drive expensive cars everywhere. They raise their salaries and live in luxury while most people in this country live in shacks with no money. Don't get me wrong the black (need a better term) people are disadvantaged but I don't see the ANC lifting a single finger to help them. They claim to be for the people but the only black people who's quality of life is theirs. South Africa is being mismanaged and the ANC are at the helm.

      TheWatcher - 2012-01-09 12:34

      They claim to be for the people but the only black people who's quality of life IS IMPROVING is theirs. typing too fast...

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 16:47

      I gather that SA first needs to be demolished to the ground. If that is the intention, they are on the right path.

  • mmatau - 2012-01-09 11:39

    I am a black person and am in my 20s. I have absolutely no idea what happened during the apartheid times and this makes it difficult for me to appreciate and understand 'the struggle'. I watched the show on SABC2 yesterday and for the 1st time got to see that white people were also victims in the apartheid era. It was really an eye opening experience and would love to see more documentaries of the kind so we call all be enlightened.

      Wall - 2012-01-09 12:58

      I agree so much! Here's a call for non-biased, fully open and truthful reporting on the facts of what happened.

      Hugh - 2012-01-09 13:43

      You are this countries future, dont believe everything you hear or read. History is written by the victors. Judge whats right and wrong with the government and vote according to the countries needs. not the greed of politicians who cannot govern. No matter which party is in power.

      Graziella - 2012-01-09 14:02

      Stop watching TV and start reading, and more reading......

      Beetroot - 2012-01-09 15:28

      Graziella the racist piggy from Nyanga! Thats all you can do! Read and type your racist poison. Your very words yesterday!!! "The whites need the ANC .. to tell them to F*ck off!" Nice one. You are the very reason why SA is in the state its in. You little stupid racist tart with a keyboard. The sad thing is that you are a dry twig taht has zero substance to contribute to the improvement of South Africa!

      Cliff K Masola - 2012-01-09 19:10

      Dnt be fooled by whites nt all are racist's bt most..thruth be told hw blcks wr threated nd whites who we against racism

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-09 11:49

    The ANC government cannot deny complicity in the terror attacks that took place, historical fact the ANC's war on the white led government was characterized by the bombing of innocent woman and children in supermarkets and the bombing of schools and night clubs. The people commenting here overlook historical fact and choose to believe the ANC's word on a non existent hero based conflict that never happened. People like Barefoot and company would do well to remember that it can never be disrespectful to tell the truth. As they say the Victor writes or should that be re-writes history, unfortunately those of us that were part of the conflict or witnessed the results of the ANC bombings are still alive and know the truth. This does not in any way negate or make the Apartheid governments actions any less horrific or wrong, but it would do the ANC and its supporters well to remember that they themselves are guilty of crimes against the soft targets of this country as well, their was no honor or glory on either side of this conflict and never will be.

  • mashavha - 2012-01-09 12:05

    The Leopard never changes its spot,I knew it

  • TheWatcher - 2012-01-09 12:18

    I think all sides need to put their members back in their pants and stop comparing. Both sides are acting like little children. The ANC for wasting money on a party that could have saved lives and educated thousands of learners. Afriforum for turning a tragedy into a political stunt.

  • Thopa - 2012-01-09 12:31

    Afri-Forum has clearly proved that it's nothing but a extremist organisation with corrupt values & led by distrungled short-sided afrikaaner leaders...

      Dirk - 2012-01-09 12:47

      That description fits the ANC regime perfectly. I could just add incompetent, kleptomania, murderous ravenous, greed ect ect

  • Deon - 2012-01-09 13:25

    Both sides had many faults, let us move forward.

  • Hugh - 2012-01-09 13:27

    @ubhejane, I dont know how to read you, but here I commend you for your honesty. SABC News commented on a speech made by Nelson M at the Rivonia trial where by they (ANC) claim to start the violent campaign by attacking Non civilian targets. These ended up being land mines on farm roads, the Magoo Bar, a church, a shopping mall in Toti. In fact MK NEVER took on the SADF of SAPS. Sadly woman and children were murdered indiscriminately. Now these cowards have streets named after them. Afri Forum did a good thing here.

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-01-09 13:54

    Four Afrikaners shot in Wonderboom: two died: and only cellphones 'stolen'... 2011-12-12 Pretoria - Black male intruders shot four Afrikaners during a vicious attack in Wonderboom, Pretoria and left a great many valuables behind, according to a report on Monday. The four armed blacks entered the house in Dirk van Deventer Street on Friday evening and first opened fire on Linda Coetzee, 43, who was shot three times in the head and both arms. She had died of her injuries. Her husband, Kobus Coetzee, 46, was shot three times in the stomach. Ruaan Coetzee, 21, was shot six times and died of his injuries. His girlfriend, Rozanne Oeschger was injured in a leg. The assailants fled when their other son, Dewald Coetzee, arrived at the house at around 20:00 and alerted police. Only their cellphones were "stolen'. So what motives were there for attacking and killing these Afrikaners? Certainly not greed: the attackers drove a luxury car and were well-dressed.

      Sedzani P M Mulovhedzi - 2012-01-09 21:25

      That even could hav happend to a blck family.crime occurs to every1 either blch white or even stop making this a race thing

  • WessBergg - 2012-01-09 14:34

    What is done is done and cannot be undone. Full Stop. South Africa has so much potential. If the French and English, (who mostly hate each other b.t.w) can build the Chanel tunnel together then by God, all South Africans can work together ffs. We don't have to become the other, or even like each other, but we should place above our own interests that of our country for it is the only one most of us have. I sometimes wish I could run away somewhere else, but I'm a South African. There are no other countries lining up to give me a passport and so it is with most of my fellow Saffas, so stop fighting and start doing. Love yourself enough to love your neighbor because if you don't you'll starve along with him. Its not rocket science, its just logic, which is unfortunately something that seems to be in short supply these days. Educate yourself and those around you. Stop the apathy and reactive actions based on emotion. Wake up and realize we are all human beings who need to eat, sleep and have a bit of love. The rest is just bs.

  • Makhawukana - 2012-01-09 15:04

    Fear of unknown.I honestly do not see the importance of this comments. People are busy critising whites against blacks, blacks against whites.Is this the type of country you want to build ask yourself this question?For once let us accept that our past is over and enjoy the freedom.I am an african, last week I walked into dischem an old man wanted to know from me where can he find the soap and who can helpme. Because I saw him as my father not because he was white I went to find the salesassistant for him. We just have to have UBUNTU with us nothing else and we will have a better south africa for us and our childrem.

      bongani.pasha - 2012-01-09 16:39

      they must return our land and mines before we can embrace them.

      Dirk - 2012-01-10 06:36

      Buy them- most of them are empty anyway. Where land has been given,productive, prize farms have been turned into ruins and wastelands.If you dont believe me, watch the ES-a-Bee-Sea, the regimes communications wing. From time to time, when they can no longer hide it, they actually show it.

  • Yuri - 2012-01-09 15:44

    Doing something good for all the wrong reasons does not make it right. AfriForum needs to get a life - they obviously have too much tome on their hands. They should try doing something progressive for once. Also, I wonder if they honoured all victims of apartheid or just the ones killed by the ANC? Somehow I'm sure it's the latter. Disgraceful!

  • Comrademayete - 2012-01-10 08:59

    If only ANC was corrupt,useless as the racist scam put it,Afriforum wud have been non-existant,we wud have dealt with it with our bare hands.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-10 09:26

      @Comrade now your comment smacks of racism and hatred, have you learnt nothing from the past?

      Dirk - 2012-01-10 09:55

      If de Klerk and his fellow conspiritors did not GIVE you the country, you would still be blowing up women and children. Your aids infested"glorious" fighters were not even capable of a bar fight- where men were involved

  • Simon Nape - 2012-01-10 12:10

    Afriforum have proved to have no action plan whatsoever! AfriForum = Fail

      Dirk - 2012-01-10 19:05

      You are surely confusing Afriforum with the ANC regime

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