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Apartheid wasn't better - Mantashe

2012-12-16 20:42

Bloemfontein - Those who say South Africa was better under apartheid do not understand the history of the country, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Sunday.

"There are serious offences [levelled] against the ANC. Some people say nothing has changed since 1994," he told delegates at the ANC's national conference in Mangaung.

"You say 'this ANC' [is worse]. You are 25 and 30, which ANC do you know?"

Mantashe criticised ANC members who were "rude, disrespectful and who manipulate processes".

"The impact of manipulating processes is that it deprives a lot of ANC members [of their rights in the party]," he said.

"You [who manipulate] want a pre-determined outcome. We must deal with this behaviour."

Mantashe said certain delegates said they wanted change in the party's leadership.

"People say they want change and they do this and this," he said holding up two fingers and rolling his hands.

"Here, they change their names from members, and they become delegates. Once you enter this hall you have a lot of power.

"It is not our call about a change in leadership. It is your call."

Mantashe said the party was criticised for the late delivery of textbooks.

"In apartheid there was one person with a book and he was a teacher," he said. "This is a different crisis, it is not the same [as under apartheid]."

Mantashe said intellectuals produced by the ANC had to strengthen the party.

"Intellectuals must strengthen the movement. We need a strong ANC."

Mantashe said intellectuals produced by the ANC should not see it fashionable to predict the demise of the party.

He roasted leaders who were quoted in newspapers as sources.

"Leaking information is dangerous. What kind of leader are you, if you read newspapers and you adopt a new English name... You must state your name."

Comments
  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-12-16 20:49

    They must have some very good stuff in that smoking den tent they have set up as this guy must be very high already!

      lownabester - 2012-12-16 21:26

      All the good stuff they smoking and drinking, He is as high as a kite.

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-12-17 15:17

      Intellectuals... HAAAHAAAHAAAHAA!

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-16 20:55

    aparthate isn't dead - it's just under new management...

      Bobby - 2012-12-16 21:33

      Oh, I like that one. The echo of Jan van Riebeeck, right here in Bloem,December 2012. It's just the negative pic, what was white is now black. Colours reversed, it's so easy these days with the right software.

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-12-17 09:12

      Actually what he is saying is that nothing changed within the ANC. They are in other means the same corrupt, lying festering pit of cockroaches they were over 100 years ago.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-12-16 20:59

    They know the one they currently suffer under; not the one many of their ancestors gave their lives for. The one that leaves the 18-35's unemployed, unemployable and all their progeny doomed to a life of penury. How very dare you try again manipulate and control people's minds in a free and democratic society.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-12-18 11:22

      Wouldn't it be the supreme tragedy if South African blacks might ponder at some future date, like the animals of Jones' Manor (George Orwell's Animal Farm), whether they were better off under apartheid? That's why blacks must answer what's to come after apartheid? Black rule alone is no guarantee for black freedom...

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-12-16 20:59

    It wasn't better sure but at least things worked!

      Bobby - 2012-12-16 21:39

      The potholes, electricity failures and undrinkable tap water work fine in the town I live in. We are getting there. The township is worse, apart from the street where prominent ANC guys grew up in: Those streets are newly tarred or brick layed, working street lights. Little Nkandla.

      stella.hlophe - 2012-12-16 22:33

      They worked for the apartheid beneficiaries, alright!

      riaan.mostert.58 - 2012-12-17 16:01

      You were also an apartheid beneficiary Stella skat. Try figuring that one out without you short circuiting.

      donald.perumal - 2013-01-11 19:32

      You mean apartheid worked?

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-12-16 20:59

    that hasn't stopped your party from adopting apartheid laws. What's next, gwede? Homelands? Pass laws? Detention without trial?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:08

      O gawd, I will happily, very happily, accept any pass laws and a homeland for all intelligent people. I'd love all tax payers to move to their own homeland where they can rule over themselves and intelligently decide about their own future.

  • kosie.nel.14 - 2012-12-16 20:59

    "Intellectuals must strengthen the movement" Sorry pal, they are already in Australia and Britain, you are left with those who cannot read or write!

      chantal.bennett.121 - 2012-12-17 17:52

      The ANC does not hold government because it is intellectual, quite the opposite, it controls it through thuggery and controlling the 15m grants given to the poor voters i.e. vote for us or we take away your grant.

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-12-16 21:01

    Mantashe i think you are missing the point what people are saying , service delivery was better , towns were cleaner , there were more jobs even though only certain people benefitted during the apartheid era the same is happening now

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-12-16 21:02

    Well,as much as apartheid was bad,education was good,which is why Mantashe got education,please let's compare apples with apples,education under apartheid and education under the ANC,I rest my case.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-12-16 22:35

      Amen !

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:10

      Thank you for that. Indeed, "Verwoerdian apartheyd" yielded matric pass rates of deep in the 70% and 80%s for the former Bantu Education. With papers set by the "evil whites" nogal. That is perhaps why people like Amos who work with us speak proper Afrikaans AND English and he can read and write. Just like today, one has to distinguish between the social ills of that system, and its actual successes.

  • francois.dupreez.39 - 2012-12-16 21:03

    Keep on talking Mantashe your own people will rip your heart out soon.

  • gregory.hill.984 - 2012-12-16 21:04

    Leaking information is dangerous? You mean leaking all the corrupt dealings of the ANC is dangerous for any stand of credibility you may pretend to have. Just keep quiet, your FRENCH champagne is getting hot, why not help boost south African jobs and economy by drinking good old home brewed south African products?? We have the best wines on earth but you prefer to have BUCKETS of imported wines. You say Africans are losing their identity and need to be more African, and how evil the west is, why then good sir are you spending so much money on exotic western products, shame on you and shame on all the ANC who will sleep with a full tummy tonight

  • thasmeel.singh - 2012-12-16 21:05

    the ANC doesnt understand SA's history. they think they the only 'movement' that squashed apartheid. all the smaller movements and individuals from different backgrounds and parties did nothing and now, they plunder millions from the mouths of the poor just because they in power. this country has become a joke in the eyes of the world through the arrogance and dumb rule of the ANC.

      brian.exmachina - 2012-12-16 22:07

      Patrick I agree with everything you said except for one point: that the people who handed the country over were "veraaiers". The fact is SA was fast becoming bankrupt and was quickly becoming ungovernable, there were no other options. You also forget that the vast majority of white people at the time (68%+) voted for change in the 1992 referendum. Does that make 7 / 10 white South Africans traitors? No, it makes them sane people who didn't want their country to burn to ashes. That said, the ANC was largely ineffectual, and the SA military at the time was one of the finest military forces on the face of the planet. You're completely right in saying that the army could have squashed the uprisings violently. The result, however, would have been a bankrupt state with no friends in the world and growing discontent amongst its voters. It's the voices of white South Africans and "evil" western capitalist countries that largely led to the downfall of Apartheid. Not that these clowns would ever admit as much.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-12-16 22:40

      @BrianExmachina - well said.. couldnt have said it better

      Doorboot - 2012-12-17 06:52

      Yip Brian spot on. But the ANC version of history forgets those inconvenient truths. Patrick you need to move on mate and focus on improving things rather than dwell on your misinformed and warped feelings of the past.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:12

      Yup, and people like Biko himself never was a member of the ANC. And horribly (in the eyes of the ANC) Biko's lover of old has sided with the DA today. Now that tells me something.

  • audrey.gono.3 - 2012-12-16 21:05

    I was born in apartheid and I didn't even know a text book.thank you anc 4 letting my children know to read a text book.

      Twolips - 2012-12-16 21:18

      No matter how many textbooks your children will read, it will not guarantee them a job in the future.

      patrick.m.vianello - 2012-12-16 21:24

      you can thank them until the cows come home my friend. Stop your effing blind loyalty and vote for another party which will save this dying land. Who the hell cares what happened in the past. These gangsters are not the ANC of past

      gvangreunen - 2012-12-16 21:35

      you got text books????

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-16 21:49

      Amazing...

      audrey.gono.3 - 2012-12-16 21:53

      @nic what's so amazing...

      helen.watermelon.16 - 2012-12-16 23:35

      pathetic comment,how come you can read and write then if you had no books? probably spent the whole time burning schools down

      osiris.fox - 2012-12-17 02:36

      But, Gono is not even South African?

      Doorboot - 2012-12-17 06:55

      Your surname sounds Zim to me. So yes thank you ANC for screwing your own people and providing for the rest of Africa. No wonder people are becoming Xenophobic. It is like all the Swazis and other African foreigners that are in senior positions in government rather than locals.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:15

      Yeah, and we grew up under apartheyd and knew things like stable electricity supply, national airliner that were among the top 10 in the world, a military research facility that scared off even the US, provinces with low levels of corruption, first world cities without posters on its robots, working street lights, working drain systems, beautiful gardens and sidewalks, public transport, when roads were paid for by taxes and not e-tolls, when the only crimes we were worried about were break ins when we're not home, when the rand traded 85c to the dollar, when fuel and food was cheap (paid R5.49 in 1989 for a chicken!), and so forth. So I guess what I'm saying, Audrey, is that a good government should have KEPT THAT UP WHILE UPLIFTING COMMUNITIES - it shouldn't have let the rest of the country, its existing tax base, mind you, rot.

  • billy.baker1 - 2012-12-16 21:06

    At least that teacher with one book was able to teach students more effectively than the teachers produced by the ANC today. All of your generation "Mantashe" were able to develop a well organised machine up untill 1994, your grand children cant even read.

      Doorboot - 2012-12-17 06:59

      No billy, Apartheid closed a lot of schools. Especially the missionary schools where kids got a very high standard of education. No denying that black people got deprived. Sure there were schools that were burnt but those were less than one percent of the total. There is no need to be daft in arguing against the ANC as their stupidity is enough to nail them with.

  • KCorsar - 2012-12-16 21:08

    I think the context of using the term apartheid is being taken out of turn. What is meant by many is the under the previous government - things worked! Corruption was evident, but nowhere near the scale of what has taken place in the last 18 years.........

  • fanie.brink.5 - 2012-12-16 21:10

    I agree much have changed - for the worst!! It's not about the history of the country, it's about the reality of the present. That's what you don't understand!!!

      patrick.m.vianello - 2012-12-16 21:27

      This person doesn't understand the first thing about REAL South African history. For example, if you ask him what created South Africa as 1 country, he'll go , aahahahahaha. lol. The answer is the great war of 1899 - 1902 which led to the unification of the 4 colonies, Cape, Natal, Transvaal, Orange River Colony (Orange Free State before 1900 and after 1910). Does he know that? I doubt it. Does he also know that Oom Jan was instrumental in the defeat of Nazi Germany. This guy must take his distorted history and piss off!

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-12-16 21:13

    I am 50 , born to farm workers , lived peacefully on several farms during my childhood . And I say , no one promised a better life for my vote , only to go on a looting spree , African leadership style . And I say apartheid was naybe better than ANC corruption and you know it . Poor education , bad security , no accountability , arrogance and entitlement I.e , we didn't join the struggle to be poor . What more ............

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-16 21:46

      I hear you....

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:17

      Ray, and only you can help change that. Work with a party that represents all the people. Tip: Vote for a party that has all the colours of our flag in its logo, not only three of them.

  • John - 2012-12-16 21:14

    If black people state that their lives were better under apartheid this view must be respected. Where is it now different with only a few rich cadres and the poor now poorer than before?

      mathata.fela.7 - 2012-12-16 21:58

      You are wrong sir, we have a social safety net called social grants now with RDP houses, we are much better off now.

      stella.hlophe - 2012-12-16 22:18

      And I can vote!

      njglen - 2012-12-17 00:54

      @Stella: What use is your vote if the ANC A$$holes in power care more about their fancy cars, mansion houses and the clothes they wear; than the people who voted for them and their desperate needs: such as high quality education, security and a prosperous future!

      Doorboot - 2012-12-17 07:02

      Yes Stella you can vote but can you think?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:18

      Your safety net was included in the constitution through CODESA talks. It wasn't given by the ANC. And it will be kept by any other party that ever takes over, since it's a CONSTITUTIONAL MANDATE. Much like your general right as a citizen. Don't give the ANC credit where it's NOT due.

      Joe - 2012-12-18 09:59

      A Doorboot, You can be bitter all you want but you never going to change anything. You people have mental apartheid. If you see a black person get thumbs up from you Stormfronters then it means they are sell outs (confused) If the enemy gives you a prize, medal, thumbs up then you are neutralized and irrelevent to your people e.g. Nelson and Desmond. On the other hand Jacob, Julius and Robert are hated because their policies are taking away the Cucumber sandwiches.

  • janet.jenkerson - 2012-12-16 21:15

    Their pronounciation of apartheid is ......appitite....how apt is that!!!

      david.g.fosse - 2012-12-17 21:18

      Spot on.

      Joe - 2012-12-18 10:00

      And you jerk off.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-12-16 21:19

    Road Map to Nation Building!!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-16 21:44

      Road map to nowhere....

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:19

      Going nowhere slowly...

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-17 16:28

      GPS gone wrong ?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-18 17:47

      Like Apple maps, we'll be in the sea soon.

  • elkita.robbertse.96 - 2012-12-16 21:25

    You are right.Once they enter the hall then they are allowed to steel as much as they can and they do.So shutup boerbok.We see now that you are more dumb and stupid than Zume.Poor things you are in mentallity.Stealing bunch of thiefs.......

      david.g.fosse - 2012-12-17 21:19

      WTF

      sudika.harkhu - 2012-12-18 03:50

      'steel as much' ???????????????

  • phathiswa.madyosi - 2012-12-16 21:26

    All in the name of scoring votes in 2014,well I think its too late,you guys messed up big time

  • patrick.m.vianello - 2012-12-16 21:29

    This person doesn't understand the first thing about REAL South African history. For example, if you ask him what created South Africa as 1 country, he'll go , aahahahahaha. lol. The answer is the great war of 1899 - 1902 which led to the unification of the 4 colonies, Cape, Natal, Transvaal, Orange River Colony (Orange Free State before 1900 and after 1910). Does he know that? I doubt it. Does he also know that Oom Jan was instrumental in the defeat of Nazi Germany. This guy must take his distorted history and piss off! Ask him when South Africa began, he'll either answer, 1994 or centuries old when in fact it's just over a century old (1910). I'd love to give this retard a history lesson

      Doorboot - 2012-12-17 07:09

      Wow and follow your crazy version? The Ossewa Brandwag wanted to go and fight for the Germans. Hertzog wanted SA not to be part of the war hence Smuts taking over control. Smuts was a Field Marshal and he was an inner circle advisor to Churchill but he was no Monty or Ike. I think you sir are confused. By the way the Boere never wanted SA they only wanted their two republics and o yes the Orange River Colony did not last long at all as the Oranje Vrystaad got independence at the Sand River Convention etc etc. Why am I challenging you? Easy as you also have no idea of our history.

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2012-12-16 21:30

    Mantashe u r disgusting kwedini

      david.g.fosse - 2012-12-17 21:30

      That is one of the most informed comments tonight,you obviously use the ANC education system,well done you complete twat.

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-12-16 21:31

    Blah Blah blerry Blah! Where is the substance in this speech?

  • liezl.haramis.7 - 2012-12-16 21:32

    Ka Kagiso...have a nice life on the pavement...idiot!!!

      Joe - 2012-12-18 10:02

      Better than your workers' cottage at least there is electricity on the pavement.

  • ad.madock - 2012-12-16 21:34

    This Mantashe needs a high five ...................with a chair...................in the face for the crap that comes out his mouth.

  • liezl.haramis.7 - 2012-12-16 21:35

    Kagiso, PS: Apartheid may be gone on paper but you know as well as I do...we are not the "same" and NEVER will be...no matter how hard you fight, scream and kill...its called DNA not ANC...

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-12-16 22:48

      @carryn.whittaker - very clearly you dont know Africa

      david.g.fosse - 2012-12-17 21:32

      Good one,wouldnt go down down too well in the EU court.

  • thabela.phathutshedzo - 2012-12-16 21:36

    Indeed apartheid was bad 4 us but that doesn't mean your corrupt government is pleasant 4 us. So why dn' t u stop spewing rubbish n cme up with innovations that are better than apartheid n corruption. Yeeer idiot man.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-12-16 22:49

      Amen !!

      attie.gerber.1 - 2012-12-17 08:32

      thabela you are right. they cannot take responsibility for their failures so blame apartheid. the country is going backwards

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:21

      Yup. So please, Thabela, vote them out. Use your constitutional rights and protect your children's future.

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-16 21:37

    As someone on the age group you refered to, I need not to know the anc for what it had done before whilst it is failing me and my children now. I'm sure that one is loud and clear. Two do you know what is meant by the word QUALITY? The STANDARD has droped to something that we were not even allowed to write supplementary exams with what is a pass mark today, no wonder there are so many dreopouts at tertiary level because they are not varsity material. Do you want me to appreciate tha nonsense for my child as I am not in the gravy train so as to take my children to private schools. You treat us as second class citizens if not third. That is why people are saying EDUCATION was better in those old days, which is true. Accept failure and try to find workable solutions.

      Bobby - 2012-12-16 22:01

      Another example: the gouvernment lowered the standard for acceptable water for human consumption as in a higher allowed TDS, ensuring they won't get dragged to court. Now more people have access to acceptable drinking water, statistically. That people will die of the stuff before their time, is no problem for these guys. As long as they vote them in, They will have reverse osmosis installed in their multi million rand mansions, anyway.

      Bobby - 2012-12-16 22:10

      And apart from that: why is Mr Mandela being treated in a private hospital, and not for instance in the Steve Bantu Biko Accademic Hospital?? I would think that the gouvernement would have loved to send him there, as a publicity stunt- as Mr Mandela is used for publicity only, anyway. But it was just not good enough- just good enough for you and me.

  • izan.botes.7 - 2012-12-16 21:43

    intellectuals produced by the ANC..... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

  • samuel.slyme - 2012-12-16 21:44

    Yes Comrade Gwede, we all know that apartheid wasn't better. But why do you need to say it?

  • ft.burhaak - 2012-12-16 21:44

    I dont know,to me it seems like 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-12-16 21:44

    Interesting fact is that under apartheid the crime and murder statistics were much lower than now. So what has the ANC achieved? Murder capital of the world, rape capital of the world. Half the working population on welfare. And a black elite. Some achievement. We had job reservation, guess what? We still have job reservation only the name is changed to affirmative action. Getting rid of discrimination was a good thing but replacing it with corruption on a grand scale is not to be proud of.

  • liezl.haramis.7 - 2012-12-16 21:49

    Luviwe and all the other citizens out there, no matter colour...you give me hope...so glad that at least some of us eventually see the same thing!

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-12-16 21:54

    People aren't going to be taught fanciful ANC mythology passed off as "history", Gwede. Not just because you think they should.

  • paul.coelho.54 - 2012-12-16 21:58

    Animal Farm at its best.

  • Daniel Nunes - 2012-12-16 21:58

    Well obviously you werent able to steal as much back then so life for you is better now...duh!!!

  • adri.elmes - 2012-12-16 22:35

    I can't believe that the way fellow South Africans are talking to one another on this page. Seriously how long are we going to kick a dead horse? Apartheid ended in '92, Madiba stepped into power in '94. Previously disadvantage should fall to those who struggled in the Apartheid years. People tend to overlook that during Apartheid coloureds and Indians also suffered and so did the whites who's political views weren't correct. This is our history, full of violence and struggle. Let us learn from it and stand together as a nation regardless of race, religion, gender. But I suppose the irony of history is that we never learn from history. Will it be so hard to have a nation united the way we were 2010? As for the politicians, stop selling our fishing waters to China, we should feed our own from our waters. Start talking to farmers and create more jobs, keep the food in the country. Start building more police stations and not just where the president wants, but where it's needed ie: Mitchellsplain 1policeman/2153civilians! Create more schools so that our children are not crowded in classrooms and can get individual attention. Stop being corrupt, you are there to serve the people, not the people you! These are but a few issues. Let's get it right 2014. We are one nation and should act thus.

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 10:52

      Great comment although I learned the lesson first hand that blacks want IT All ! No interest in whites , colored , indians lives kids or needs ! In there eyes we the intrudeRs so this will never change everyday we all experience this @ work , hospitals n everywhere ! They have no interest in sharing n creating n happy rainbow nation like TAta MaDIBA did or wanteD !! N sadly its nt the 10% educateD ones. They do see the light n maDiba's way ! Sadly its the 90% uneducateD sheep they just follows blindly ! And this applies to many white n colored n indian ANC followerS aswell !

  • craig.hopkins.376 - 2012-12-16 22:39

    It wasn't better, it was much better

      donald.perumal - 2013-01-11 19:35

      For you-yes!

  • herman.burger.5 - 2012-12-16 22:54

    The mere fact that the ANC have to convince themselves that Apartheid was not better is conclusive proof of how deeply these self serving comrades have failed their supporters and indeed the whole country. Mamparas all of them.

  • eugene.ngobeni.7 - 2012-12-17 00:15

    Apartheid scared black people spouls so you whiteskeeping on rubbing it in our faces wont help anything,it might have been beter for you. People on this site complain about the sheep of the ANC while they also follow like sheep on commenting and defending aparthied and fellow whites SO STUFF YOU!!!!!

      Wally Wal - 2012-12-17 07:39

      At least the country would of still been on the map

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:24

      The mere fact that you refer to us as "you whites" tell the whole world something about "you ANC supporters'" idea of (1) non racialism (2) democracy. It's not democracy at all, but rather Afrodictohyponepocracy, held firmly in place through Ineptocracy. Big words. Let's see if an ANC education can help you decipher them.

      david.g.fosse - 2012-12-17 21:42

      Jesus,you are a touchy little soul,had a bit of smack tonight.I didnt know that black people had spouls,I thought they just got buried in some cow skin and hoped like hell that that the big black god nkulunkulu would sort out the rest.When commentig on a theory please dont belittle yourself by commenting on things you dont even know about.

  • dhiren.govind - 2012-12-17 00:40

    this back and forth between all of you is just more proof that the country is still stuck in the past and that racial segregation is still rife within our society. yes all of you make valid points - but instead of working together and fighting for the right leadership to ensure a country that looks out for everyone and not just select few, you fight each other. yes apartheid was bad, but we will not accept the corruption, poor service delivery and poor governance we endure everyday. but what are we doing about it? talking about it is a start, but leaving it there and doing nothing is not very useful now either. and no matter how many stats and facts you quote about how things were during apartheid, it will not convince me that it was the better way of living. maybe for you if you are white, but a non-white would have real grim tales to tell. how many of you soothsayers even bothered to make the smallest contribution in shaping the future of this country by voting in elections? its you're right not to, but if you think about it, you're diminishing numbers at the polls are the direct reason why there aren't stronger opposition to the ANC. I'm not an ANC member or supporter, I'll support whoever wins an election, that's how a democracy works. if your opinion to this poll is not to make a difference, then why are you here? freedom of speech? what about your responsibility to your country??

      arie.vdplaats.3 - 2012-12-17 06:56

      Dhiren.govind. I would wish all commentators were as clear in their arguments as you. I have to congratulate you on this.

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 11:06

      Great comment !

  • jacques.botha.792 - 2012-12-17 02:27

    Mantashe Apartheid is 20 years gone, what did you do to provide for the ANC's poor community, nothing!!! you always blame the apartheid or the youth, why? you know they are right, you sleep, eat and your life is better, cause you can do it with the ANC'S money what about the other 30 + million ANC's followers must live in shacks, must see where tommorow's bread come from, most of them live in fear, because the govt can't protect each and everyone, you must open your eyes, eish! the Patriot

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 09:25

      Yup. They've had a third of the time the Nats had. A third. And the Nats came from two boer wars and English imperialism, two world wars and a great depression. Poor ANC thugs simply can't cope with the 21st century.

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 10:39

      Correction ! Nt the Anc money bt the poor tax payerS moneY !the asnC have no monEy of its own or any power for that matter without the stupid sheeplE !

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 12:05

      Mind you, the ANC did have money of its own, given by the same 'colonialists' and 'imperialists' and the 'west' they have now come to despise more and more (luckily people like the very liberal Danes, who supported the 'armed struggle' nogal, have withdrawn their funding). They abused papers like the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Seattle Post Intelligencer to further their aim. Now that they govern, they hate that these very same papers expose them and their evil ideals, and they call them 'imperialst media'. They abused Oppenheimer and likes to further ideals like the upliftment projects going on around places like Rastenbeck, only to tell them 'Hey, we're gonna take your mines'. What's really going on here, though, is that the west helped the ANC get rid of the tough Nats (it wasn't really about 'apartheyd' - it was all about our minerals right from the start). Now that the ANC has turned their backs on the west, the west will help get rid of the ANC also. You simply don't bite the hand that feeds you. That's a lesson the yellow green and black brigade needs to learn the hard way (since when we told them, we were called racists). Watch how the DA will gain power, town by town, province by province, with the help of the 'third force' the ANC so fears.

  • wittier.wit - 2012-12-17 06:19

    Gwede, it is the same as before, you stay in the security estates and us in the RDP houses.That`s apartheid. YOU don`t go to public hospitals you use Medi- clinic, That`s apartheid. You are driven around without stopping at red lights, whilst we are stuck in traffic, That`s apartheid. The list goes on.

  • attie.gerber.1 - 2012-12-17 07:42

    the firts thing this govt must do is to get all the foreigners back to their own countries and then you will see a big change in many things for our own people. their must be around 10 million of them in our country that receives the same benefits like grants etc which they should not be getting. a lot of our own people will be able to find jobs as a lot of businesses employ these foreigners and pay them peanuts. crime and corruption will also decrease.

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 10:43

      True very true ! N they r so afriad of losing power n making it seem to ther followers that if they do the white man n apartheid will return ! Which it will never return we need a stronger honorablE leadeR bt yet the sheep follow them blindly fearing the return Of apartheiD that like the boogie man is a fabricatioN of weak fearful leaders

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 10:58

      What this country needs is not one single color or race incharge ! We need a collective group of all raceS combinEd to sit as heads of statE nt onE ! Bt one of each race group to over see All our people interest in this country ! So NO to anc ! No to DA n. Or wateva political partY n YES to a coalition of all our race leaders ! Think about it ! Why should a black man r white man be solely inchange of a country with so many differenT culturES n colorS ! It will never worK this waY

  • TdJ01 - 2012-12-17 07:59

    Meet the new boss same as the old boss! Just more blatant in stealing and corruption with abolutely no accountability.

  • ericanbarker - 2012-12-17 08:15

    When their lips move they are lying....its in their DNA

  • Xr Rafana - 2012-12-17 08:24

    yes Gwede Apartheid was wasn't better,are u really convinced to what the ANC is currently doing? stop it man, what was better, and what is better now!

  • attie.gerber.1 - 2012-12-17 08:26

    mantashe - you do not know the history of apartheid either. you say that only teachers had a text book to read from, but you are grossly mistaken. i am a man of 60 years old and the first day of school we got all our text books and stationary etc. don't bluff yourselve and look for excuses. for your information where i come from coloured children was terated the same in receiving their books etc on the first day of school.

  • godrick.mlambo - 2012-12-17 08:49

    In apartheid era only one person had textbook n that person was a teacher... things r not de same for sure

      shireen.abbas - 2012-12-17 10:33

      Stupid comment frm a ignorant sheep that stands by n remain poor yet no textbooks in schools today with corrupt tenders given . N Zuma homeland being build like a palace yet just outside its wall there r people living in povertY in mud hutS !

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-17 14:21

      We didn't have books either, and I'm white. We were told : WRITE DOWN.