Arms deal activist wants credible probe

2011-09-16 13:09

Johannesburg - Arms deal activist Terry Crawford-Browne would withdraw his Constitutional Court case against President Jacob Zuma only if credible people were appointed to the newly announced commission of inquiry.

Browne said he wanted to see the terms of reference before considering withdrawing his case, set for November 17 at the Constitutional Court, according to The New Age on Friday.

"The commission has got to have reliable and credible people, not politically malleable people like those in the Joint Investigation Team [appointed by former president Thabo Mbeki which exonerated the government's role in the saga]," Crawford-Browne told the paper.

He first made an application challenging the president's refusal to appoint a judicial commission of inquiry in the Western Cape High Court in 2009.

He wanted a direction that the president appoint a commission of inquiry, that the president's decision not to do so be set aside, and that the matter be referred back to him for determination.

It later transpired that the Western Cape High Court was the wrong forum to hear the matter. An application was then brought in the Constitutional Court.

"They should tell the country why they listened to Tony Blair and Jacques Chirac, who convinced them that South Africa needed arms," he said.

Public interest

Presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj told SABC radio earlier on Friday, that Zuma decided he owed it to the public to re-open the investigation.

"What he [Zuma] has concluded is there is a need for closure in the public interest. This matter needs to be dealt with... properly," Maharaj said.

He denied that the presidency had been under pressure to re-open the investigation because the matter was coming up in the Constitutional Court.

"The president thought it's time we had proper closure on this matter and he said: 'Well, the best way then, is, let's have a proper commission of inquiry as mandated by the Constitution."

Several media quoted political analysts on Friday morning as saying the decision could be related to the leadership battle within the ANC.

The Star quoted Aubrey Matshiqi as saying it was a strategy aimed at pre-empting Zuma's political rivals from using the arms deal to question his leadership ahead of the ANC's elective conference next year.

Maharaj said Justice Minister Jeff Radebe was working on the matter and the terms of reference and time frame would be announced soon.

Zuma's office announced the re-opening of the investigation on Thursday afternoon.

  • Really - 2011-09-16 13:15

    That will be a first for zoomer, appointing someone credible!

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 13:26

      Yes.. I have a feeling the race card is about to be played.

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 13:52

      Oh PLEASE NEWS24 block this idiot, he copies and pastes this nonsense every day in every article.

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 14:02

      @Under-intelligent_Over-stupid: Wrong article you posting your snot on buddy.

      daaivark - 2011-09-16 14:02

      To the extremely verbose Under/Over: You are as guilty of racial intolerance as the worst of them. Not only do you do black people a gross injustice by using the absurd generalisation "the black mind (as if black people are incapable of independent thought, but you tar the paler variety of human beings with a similar brush by saying "the white man". Spend just three minutes reading the extremely diverse opinions of both shades, and you will see how grossly blinded you are by your obsession. Please don't make your inadequacy in this regard everybody's problem. This is my own opinion, and not an expression of "the white mind" and it is aimed at you specifically, not at this non-existent entity you call the "black mind".

      Felix - 2011-09-16 14:22

      Oh look it's panafricanis under a different name. I just disliked all your racist comments just for the hell of it, nothing to do with whatever you were spewing out.

      Yislaaik - 2011-09-16 14:25

      Servaas, Under-educated has played the race card very quickly. I'd love to know which site he copies this drivel from. Maybe he's a bot! That is, automatic script.

      Mart - 2011-09-16 16:03

      To have transparency, I want to see Patricia de Lille in the mix.

      Organist-1 - 2011-09-16 17:27

      Forget it. Just like the new concourt Judge --- appointing the youngest and least experienced --- He will probably appoint family members or bootlickers to head up the investigation. Failing that he will appoine extremely credible investigators ( even from overseas -- to fool even the opposition-- but make the scope and terms of reference totally meaningless. He may like Malema be dumb, but he is as v Crafty as Dingaan was in the 1840's. I am amazed that the Xosas tolerate this Zulu domination. Just read up some real history that the ANC are desperately trying to bury.

  • Garden_Boy - 2011-09-16 13:25

    Acivist my foot! You wanted this matter to be investigated, it is bein investigated NOW you want "credible probe". Who said that the probe wasnt gtoing to be credible in the first place? Dont push it China!

      Felix - 2011-09-16 13:29

      It must be so easy to rip off gullible fools such as you.

      Ohmikehunt - 2011-09-16 13:32

      "wasnt gtoing" wow!

      Badger - 2011-09-16 13:40

      Now go back doing what your name suggest.

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 13:41

      Zooma credible? HA HA HA HA!!!

      stephen scott - 2011-09-16 13:52

      Garden boy, name or job title?

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 14:04

      Anything else Over_Stupid? And black people can't be racist? You one of those toyi-toying clowns that got hit in the head with a rock?

  • Johan Erasmus - 2011-09-16 13:26

    As credible as comrade Moegoeng Moegoeng will allow

  • Badger - 2011-09-16 13:39

    It is a shame that citizens have to rely on the Con court to force goverment to govern properly.

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-16 14:04

      Is it not that oppositionists are using it to advance their political agenda?

      Badger - 2011-09-16 14:14

      @Ntfutfuko. It could be like that yes. But this was brought over themselves by goverment who was supposed to appoint a credible committee in the first place. This is all part of healthy democracy. If opposition was in power certainly the anc would have done same.

      Julian - 2011-09-16 14:44

      @Ntfufuko:"Is it not that oppositionists are using it to advance their political agenda?" Nope.

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-16 14:45

      Badger I did not disagree with you, it's just that the issue of credibility is subjective and varies depending who raise it. It is therefore not easy to tell whether the frequently used rhetoric of 'public interest'is genuine (from the political parties point of view), including the call by JZ for the enquiry... The same Browne, this morning on SA FM, said if they don't appoint him as a state witness the whole enquiry would be bogus; it would seem as if people are already looking for personal scores! It then leaves one to wonder who is the public, themselves?

  • Peacock - 2011-09-16 13:46

    Probably find Zum Zum is going to use this as an excuse to get rid of his opponents for the Party Leadership.

  • crackerr - 2011-09-16 13:49

    It is then taken as fact that the very same persons who allege, and have been doing so, that they have information against certain others will give their full patriotic and honest support to the efforts to have the information made public and to explain why they have been part of the secrecy / cover up until now. They must now bring their side. Yes, we recall who you were and the exact words you used and the circumstances in which they were used.

  • stephen scott - 2011-09-16 13:50

    He'll most likely appoint some incredible people,... there are no more credible people.

  • mickh - 2011-09-16 14:09

    Directed at Underprivileged_Overprivileged: Why are most Black countries unsuccessful and most white countries successful? Haiti has been independent from France for 203 years yet they are the poorest country in the world. Generall whites are successful because they have a work ethic, not a hand out ethic.

  • Kenno - 2011-09-16 14:16

    @ News 24 PLEASE REMOVE UNDERPRIVELEDGED ETC from this site promoting hate speach of the racial kind. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 14:19


      Andre Grobler - 2011-09-16 15:55

      It's probably Darren Scott sitting at home with nothing better to do.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-16 14:17

    This whole thing sounds fishy! Jacob is hiding something and wants the public to focus on this. Maybe his pet Juju has got him in a corner. We all know Jacob and his extended family and comrades got a cut from this arms-deal.

      Smart Man - 2011-09-16 14:25

      Don't say we all know, because i don't know. And Juju is not a puppet, he is one powerful man in africa. get your facts straight. leave Julius Malema out of this.

      Servaas - 2011-09-16 14:33

      @Smartass: Well, you supporting the ANCYL no one can expect that you should know much. Malema powerful across africa? My dear friend, I travel across africa, had a total of 34 flights last month and let me tell you Malema is a JOKE across africa, even all the way up to Dakar(Senegal) and CAPE verde (Boa Vista, Sal, Praia) he was a joke. The only place they take him seriously is Zim(Where there is also a lack of education, how ironic is that??) Now go be a smart@ss somewhere else. Doubt you have even been outside SA borders.

      Andre Grobler - 2011-09-16 16:03

      Smart man's argument is solid. Malema made the forbes power list He's Nr 2 on that list. Oh, the sweet Irony....

  • Jacob - 2011-09-16 14:24

    On under/overpriv and racism. I am a Christian - I believe in God and I am a racist because God is a racist - why? God made the different races. It would be arrogant of me to have a different opinion than God

      Andre Grobler - 2011-09-16 16:06

      Yes, God creates specific races so one main one can mock and degrade them. Because, you know, God likes to hate the very things he made. Hou jou middel-klas bêk en f off terug flat toe.

  • Ingie - 2011-09-16 14:28

    Underprivileged_Overprivileged ..are you bored...dont you work with all these comments

  • Ingie - 2011-09-16 14:31

    @Underprivileged_Overprivileged - your long comments are actually making no sense...go back to what you were smoking and start again.

  • King147 - 2011-09-16 14:33

    I think it would be credable provided this thing we call our persident gets Ou' vrou De Lille and Terry on this so the could be objectivity in the whole saga if he has nothing to hide that is. Frankly i dont trust his motives, theres hardly been anything done by him and his peers for the greater public for years. Why now?

  • Alice - 2011-09-16 15:12

    EDUCATION, what an inspiring thing to do, to learn about so many things that may empower, open awareness and bring freedom. Lying may bring momentary reward. A lot of work to warp reality. The need to protect, and keep it "Genuine". Great leaders are praised for centuries.

  • Alice - 2011-09-16 15:14

    Underprivileged_Overprivileged: Stop PREACHING and do something!!!

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-16 15:36

    Good call! I am sure people such as Shabir Sheik must really be sweating now ...

  • trev - 2011-09-16 15:36

    The arms deal is not just about the SA government. It is also the corrupt policies of the arms companies who use bribes to sell their weapons. This is mentioned in Feinstein's book. I saw AlJazeera news report on opposition to an arms expo where they are questioning the invitation of authoritarian regimes. South Africans need the investigation, if bribes are proven, contracts could be nulled and the useless weapons returned and money spent on upliftment. THIS IS A BIG STEP IN OUR DEMOCRACY. Terry Crawford is a freedom fighter as he is saving our taxes from corruption...which will benefit the poor.

  • Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-16 15:44

    People must remember that Terry Crawford-Browne’s company was one of the unsuccessful bidders in the arms deal saga. I wonder whether he would have brought the issue to the public had his company won the bid! Whether he is as clean as he poses leaves a lot to be desired…

      crackerr - 2011-09-16 15:56

      Of course he wouldn't have. But why is it relevant? Do you have ANY evidence to substantiate your insinuation? You are assuming that he and the whole system is corrupt. Was that your intention or were you trying to discredit only Terry Crawford-Browne? It should be noted of course that if he or his company was part of the corruption or attempted corruption they would have shut upped.

      crackerr - 2011-09-16 15:57

      correction: shut up

      Ntfutfuko - 2011-09-16 18:44

      My point exactly, he is using the 'public interest' rhetoric only when it suits him...

  • Brainbow - 2011-09-16 17:54

    T'Hint to Trevor, Jeff, Jacob and the boys (and a lady or two): The long ARM of the Law.......

  • adrien.mcguire - 2011-09-18 06:55

    There will be no closure if the investigation is not perceived as independant and transparent. PERIOD

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