Black women risk 'tools for white masters' label

2011-08-02 22:32

Cape Town - High-profile black women risk being labelled as tools of the white master if they try hold people to account, DA national spokesperson Lindiwe Mazibuko said on Tuesday.

"The ongoing rhetoric in South Africa is that black females are doing someone else's bidding, or acting as someone else's tool if they dare try to hold another black person to account," Mazibuko said after taking a question at the Cape Town Press Club on Sowetan columnist Eric Miyeni.

He referred to City Press editor Ferial Haffajee as "an agent for white capitalists" in a piece published on Monday.

"Just as we fought against racism we must also battle sexism and misogyny," she said.

Planning to sue

Miyeni wrote that "in the 80s she'd [Haffajee] probably have had a burning tyre around her neck".

His column came after the City Press reported on a trust fund allegedly used by ANC Youth League president Julius Malema to bankroll his lavish lifestyle.

The report resulted in a criminal complaint against Malema. The Hawks are still deciding whether to bring corruption charges against him.

Miyeni was fired for writing the column.

Haffajee said she was seeking legal advice and planned to sue Miyeni.

Tea girl of the madam

Mazibuko, who was called a "tea girl of the madam" by Malema after municipal elections earlier this year because of her closeness to DA leader Helen Zille, said those who believed Miyeni's column was right were concerned about black people being seen as "inferior".

"Eric Miyeni believes that black people should be allowed to do what they choose.

"Black people need to speak up. There aren't enough high-profile black people speaking out for fear of being called capitalists or tools of the master.

"The biggest insult you can give someone in South Africa is to call a person a racist or say they are not true to their own race."

  • Anonymus - 2011-08-02 22:44

    zzzzzzz........... in other news

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-08-02 23:06

      the is so pathetic i want to puke all over my keyboard. we hear cries and throes of independence coming from everyone including the ANCYL and the architects of BEE.... Yet, when success comes, the "white master" apparently comes afore. So correct me if i'm wrong. You want to be all you can be in this "New South Africa", but if you're too much, you're not. Thats about as logical as buying a R1.5 mil Z3 while your countrymen live in tin shacks. In fact, now I understand why whites will always be "the master".

      Spyker May - 2011-08-02 23:34

      Lindiwe is 100% correct. The ANCYL (and its apologists) are a foremost reason black people are stereotyped as “inferior”, etc. In fact, every time the ANCYL opens its mouth – most pertinently the incoherent tantrums of the Trust-fund-Toddler, it turns into a Bonfire of Inferiority.

      Anonymus - 2011-08-02 23:39

      @k1dbl4ck - have you had an over dose of tik this evening? well, while your fellow country men should be asking juju how he can afford a R16m house whilst they still live in shacks/low cost housing with out services? And he says he is not a capitalist and fights for the poor? Yeah right! The only people i see getting rich are the very people you voted into power!! stop pointing fingers at the white man. just remember your fellow black comrades are in power, not the "white master". so get off you high horse and stop blaming white people for your governments inability to govern a country and look after the people of all colours.

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 02:34

      Dig that analogy.... "Trust-Fund Toddler".... Made my DAY!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

      AjAxxxx - 2011-08-03 07:51

      @DubulaAMABUNU. It is very clear that you literally know nothing. And that you read 2 or 3 statements from JuJu, and it got to you. Open your eyes.

      Rocky_III - 2011-08-03 07:56

      @dabulamabunu I never ceased to be amazed at how the only answer that morons can come up with is calling people names. Your inference is that that black who is succesful and have a mind of there own is white on the inside. You are an insult to your race.

      Werner - 2011-08-03 08:04

      @DubulaAMABUNU You know, technically your name has been declared unconstitutional ... pity abortions were too before you were born, Mr 40 going on 13. So, by saying "white inside", your skin colour should determine your actions/personality/etc? Bit of auto-racism right there, no? Wasn't it the "white masters" that had the little policy called "Apartheid" that determined your destiny based on your skin colour? Granted, a white Kwaito star does look a little odd, but surely he shouldn't be denied the opportunity to do whatever makes him feel happy.

      Richie - 2011-08-03 08:31

      Why can’t we read more of what this girl is saying? She has got more brains in her left pinkie than the entire ANCYL. PR wise she could come as the voice of reason to counter all drivel from Malema. She should be forcing down their stupid policies and propping up hers. But, she is missing... why. It's not like she could give Malema any more "airtime" by engaging with his stupid policies / rhetoric. I really think the DA should stop this now. There is so much room to dispel Nationalization and prove it to be a disastrous idea, land grabbing can be proven to be a disastrous policy & tenderpreneurship is rife in the ANC & ANCYL. The DA and its youth movement is looking very limp at the moment. I, seriously get that you don’t want to stoop their level, but they are stuffing up this country and you sit without even saying a word.

      Tantrum - 2011-08-03 08:39

      The biggest insult you can give someone in South Africa is to call a person a racist or say they are not true to their own race." Now this is an oxymoron if I ever saw one. I am true to my own race and I'm being labeled as the biggest racist out there. In SA you are allowed to be true to your own race as long as your race is black - as soon as you are not willing to sell out your fellow white brothers and sisters then you are a racist ...

      FIO - 2011-08-03 08:41

      @dubula - ever cracked open a coconut that was black outside and black inside? Rotten. It'll never grow, or be of any value. You want to keep playing the racist game by trying to discredited anything "white", yet when the tables are turned and you get your medicine back its not so rosy, is it? Racist whites during apartheid got their backsides kicked, I can assure you, racist blacks will have their day too. The only difference is that when racist white fell, they left behind a lot to build a new nation with. When the racist blacks fall, there will be nothing but ruins.

      Bearman - 2011-08-03 09:19

      @siya.block: Did you read your comment before hitting that'POST COMMENT' button?

      changeisGood - 2011-08-03 10:30

      Lindiwe, what is wrong about believing that by Nationalising some industies through Major shareholding by Government will fast track some of Governments top Priorities, i.e. Health, Education, unemployment and houising among others? Is that so bad that people should be singled out and targetted by believing in such initiatives? Why is it that only initiatives by a particular group or race should be the only ones to be considered? Majority of whites do not believe nationalisation will work because they stand to lose their majority shareholding once those identified industries are nationalised. The nationalisation prorgram has pro's and cons like any other program/project, so why shut it without even looking into it as a possible alternative? In my honest opinion everyone is protecting their own interests through signs of greed. why don't we for once start looking at what will benefit the country as a whole instead of a few individuals?

      Richie - 2011-08-03 10:41

      @siya.block - he ment to read your commment numb-nut! Your the bloody racist. Read your comment note it contains hate-speech & racism.

      Richie - 2011-08-03 11:20

      @changeisGood – Nationalization will / cannot work... & that is a fact. Firstly, because the state has not run one state institution profitably think SAA, SABC, ESKOM, etc. Secondly, we (South Africans) do get paid for our minerals; the mine gets money for running an efficient business. To bring point 1 and 2 together, how much faith would you have in mines being run profitably by the state? How will we guard against tenderpreneurs over inflating prices of items they supply to mines? How soon do you thing those mines will become un-profitable? How long do you think before the miners will be un-employed and desperate like at Aroura mines run by your fearless leader’s cousin. What you don’t understand is; is that wealth is not fixed, it’s a living breathing-“thing” generated by incentive. If you take away incentive the wealth will dissipate. I can’t split my business in two and give you 60 percent of my income, because that’s not profitable form me the creator/manager of the business. So to do what Malema suggest is not nationalization it’s more like part nationalization i.e. 60% ownership. These businesses will not function with this control and will become unprofitable as the incentive will disappear taking away the expertise.

      Richie - 2011-08-03 11:21

      Cont... Not to mention we will become a pariah state like Venezuela, etc. All their nationalization has brought them nothing, but sanctions. In fact nationalization has not worked for anybody, so why harp on about something that has proven over and over to fail the people meant to benefit, but a select few. Dont you think that I/we would love it if nationalization could save us. I am paying 45% tax and we living in the biggest welfare state in the world. I/we would gladly take this extra income, but know and believe it wont work. Further the land issue; 40,000 white farmers and 50,000,000 million South Africans is 0.08% of the population. Land is not going to make things better for the 50 million people. People can’t eat land, but they will starve if they take land, the current expropriated farms are not even run profitably. People don’t want land they want education for their kids and jobs. This is all just emotional-drivel used by the ANCYL to muster support for their efforts to push their ridiculously short sighted ideas and policies which all have very dubious motives if you ask me.

      changeisGood - 2011-08-03 12:05

      @Richie, I like your thinking but I am still not convinced by your answers on both the nationalisation and Land restitution, Firstly I believe that we are made to believe that nationalisation will not work without proper exploration and not enough facts are given, i think before we even start the nationalisation discussion, we need to understand why nationalisation needs to be considered in the first place, It is fact that laws were passed in the apartheid era to only benefit the so called original mine owners, the reason I am saying so called is because according to my knowledge Mining in South Africa had started long before the settlers landed in South Africa, Mining was done in an informal way without "proper" machinery however, minerals were extracted by other means, digging etc. So the problem I have is that for so many years these laws have benefited the few individuals aligned to the apartheid Government, how else are we Blacks expected to fairly contributre in an economy that kept us so far back unfairly without having to be given a kick start, Is that achievable? secondly the problem with most of you is that you associate nationalisation with Julius Malema too much, he may be the advocate of such an initiative, however he will not be the sole beneficiary and I believe that if this approch is carefully and well planned mistakes made by those who ran organisations like SAA and others that you mentioned can be avoided, look at the successes shown by SARS for example.

      changeisGood - 2011-08-03 12:13

      continuation---so I need to hear from you what your suggestion is to ensure everyone is fairly and equally treated when it comes to fair practice as far as meaningfull contribution in the economy is concerned because, I feel it is unfair for me to fairly compete with someone who got a head start long before I was even born. I was on the back foot from day one. I will be playing catch up all the time, I want to know how can I overcome this unfair advantage against me. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on this one.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 13:22

      you're forgiven you Virginia - we know it's impossible to change a bigot's mind

      Spyker May - 2011-08-03 13:49

      siya.block, You “WAISTED” your time – I rest my case...

      Richie - 2011-08-03 14:05

      @changeisGood – Regarding, nationalization what more needs to be explored. It’s failed over and over. Even if run with “soviet style” control it has proven to be a disaster, why-o-why would you think we (ESKOM, SAA, SABC) could make it work if the Russians that put a man in space in the 60 couldn’t do it. I really don’t know what more to say on the matter. The fact of the matter is, nationalization has been tried, tested and has failed... THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO EXPLAIN / INVESTIGATE / DISCUSS or REASEARCH. Regarding, these apartheid laws. Could you be more specific? These mines are run by huge international mining companies who are all governed by the same laws and contracts all over the world. Yes, whites did gain from income from our mineral wealth in Apartheid years giving us opportunity to build roads, trains, airports mainly for our use at that time. Again, maybe I need to explain that the country still gets paid for their minerals this is not owned by the mines. The mine is simply paid for extracting these minerals profitably. The bulk of the money lies in the mineral, which we get paid for and the mining profits are actually quite fragile. If these mines are run unprofitably (as shown by Aurora mines) this profit disappears quickly and lots of people lose their jobs and put our economy at risk. International mining companies have paid for mining rights will have to be refunded or we will sanctioned by these countries.

      Richie - 2011-08-03 14:05

      There are now nearly 8 million middle-class blacks, colourds and Indians in South Africa that have taken advantage of the opportunities. They are planning their families & they don’t stand with their hands cupped to the 4 million whites, they are planning their futures and contributing the economy. What chances do you think my cleaning ladies children and their children have when they don’t understand this very basic of principal of planning? The same goes for this country if you don’t understand the basic principles of planning you will always be poor and found wanting and the world will always seem a very unfair and harsh place. We are faced with a mammoth task of expanding an economy by nearly 60% (impossible task) so all South Africans can “live well”. The only way for this to happen (not possible) is by planning, people should plan their futures (families), we need to nurture our economy to grow i.e. make us attractive to foreign investment we need to educate and compete on the world market. - 2011-08-03 15:18

      @Changeisgood - you need to understand that the ONLY meaningful way to bring equality in this country is pick UP the poorest of the poor, NOT drag down the richest of the rich. What is the easiest way of uplifting? As Richie says, you grow the economy so that everyone can get a piece of the new pie as it grows. If you simply look to divide what is already in existence, it cannot do anythign but decrease and then you STILL have the inequality problem you started with, except now it is worse and even harder to fix! You are no longer on the backfoot. South Africa is an oyster for those of us that are black, have applied ourselves in formal education and the workplace and have an ability to make rational informed choices regarding our responsibility to our community and nation. Make sure you are part of this! All it takes is a willing attitude!

      chappy - 2011-08-03 15:50

      @ Inyaniso: - Well said sir! It is such a basic premise that so many don't understand. As Abraham Lincoln said: "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich, You cannot help the wage earner by destroying the wage payer"

      Maddy-CT - 2011-08-03 17:48

      @ Ritchie. Lindiwe Mazibuko frequently writes articles for which are worth reading. Her latest one is 'Race Politics in South Africa' (look under Most Popular on their homepage, or search 'Lindiwe Mazibuko' for articles in their archives). She is brilliant.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-04 17:44

      This Lindiwe Mazibuko truly has the DA believes in her. And now she just saw an opportunity to make herself famous at the expense of our so called black government and Mr Miyeni. Kolobe is so right. We need her comment about economical imbalance in our country where whites still hold 73% of top positions in the country whereas they are only 10% of the population.

  • goobles - 2011-08-02 22:52

    Cleverly played DA :) - 2011-08-03 08:23

      Yes Kolobe, she has an opinion! You wouldn't be all that interested to know what this is, as it's easier to get stuck calling her names and trying to defame her without trying to be open minded enough to consider a different point of view. You are stuck on a train of thought that is going nowhere!

      cava1 - 2011-08-03 08:24

      @kolobe In both the cases you mention, the law enforcement and justice system was quick to react. The DA only react where this is not done, such as in the case of corrupt ANC members.

      Derek - 2011-08-03 09:12

      Kolobe stop being stupid. How on earth do you get that these people are DA supporters. They are nothing like the progressive, non-racial, multi-racial,non-corruptible and patriotic DA who do what is best for ALL south africans, yes even you unlike the anc who vilify hard working honest white south africans through one or other of their structures on an ongoing basis. By the way what colour are the people who put most effort into NGO's that help the under-priveleged on an ongoing basis?

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 09:39

      If Kolobe could stop being stupid he probably would.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 09:57

      @ kolobe. da da da. Or to use the Duchamp version. dada.

      Zolani - 2011-08-03 09:57

      Its people Like kolobe, poly etc that I hardly read the comments of a artical anymore, because they make us all look stupid. They do more harm with the stupid posts for our reputation than any whites do.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 10:59

      Zolani, feel free to comment anywhere - you'd be amazed at how many people know that Kolobe/Poloyatonki do not speak for the majority of South Africans. In fact, the more sensible South Africans of all races comment, the less effect the crazy 2% (of either extremist view) will have.

      MBossenger - 2011-08-03 11:31

      @kolobe - I assume you have evidence to support your claims that DA members defaced Mandela Drive? Or that it was a DA member that shot the ANCYL member?

      UKUTHULA EMHLABENI. - 2011-08-03 14:58

      The blacks are the majority and will forever rule this land.Coconuts you might pliz your masters here but on the ground you are no-where.Don't ask yourself why after your barrage of attacks on Malema ,wherever he goes he is mobbed by people in support of him.Thats a question mark for you.....Zolani you speak kak. - 2011-08-03 15:31

      Oh the irony UKUTHULA.... Zolani how much are you laughing at this too? Even fools have followers! Your idol Malema lives 350 years in the past. He hasn't even reached the Industrial Age yet! This is why he wants to put forward policy that has failed in EVERY country in the world that has tried it already, some more than 5 decades ago. Yes, what did Nationalisation do for the mighty Soviet Union? Are they the powerhouse of the world?? What about Venezula with its land reforms? No chance. Just more poverty! Lets look a little closer if you are not familiar with World Politics. Zimbabwe and your beloved Robert Mugabe has brought a famine to his land. Don't you find it funny that the poorest people of his country are now starving and not able to pay the prices for food. Zimbabwe used to export food and MAKE money from food for the country to spend on other projects. Now they have to buy what they can afford in and the person on the street pays so much MORE! No, informed and rational thought is not a white\coconut thing, it is for ANYONE who wants to open their mind just a little. Try it, you might surprise yourself!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-08-04 12:40

      kolobe - "current economic apartheid". So true but why are you complaining, you're not the one affected by it, unless you're white of course.

  • Mike - 2011-08-02 22:59

    ITs about time that people with integrity stood up against this tide of radical criminals who are hiding behind racism to continue with their stealing of our country's riches. The 'little boy' and his cronies think they can label anyone who questions them as racists or working for the 'white madam or master'. Good on you Lindiwe. Lets hope that other women of all colours begin standing up against these hoodlums. Lets hope that the ANC will hopefully have some women who agree wtih you and actually take a stand! The only way this place will be corrected is if more people in seats of power take a moral stand.

      willieman - 2011-08-03 11:05

      Mike you are 100% correct.Men and women in anc have spent almost the rest of their lives fighting against what Lindiwe is saying ie racism,corruption,prejudice,injustices,unfair racial domination so on and so forth.But today the story is different.To me is, they are COWARDS ESPECIALLY ANCWL,they cannot protect other women as long as they are not members of anc.Ms Mamedupe Mohlala,Thuli Madonsela,Helen Zille,Patricia ,Lindiwe the list is long.This women in ANC are BLOODY COWARDS they are only interested in lining their pockets in secrets bank accounts

  • TamaraSays - 2011-08-02 23:08

    Lindiwe, there are a whole LOT of tools in this country. They're not necessarily tools of the white master though...

      Neil - 2011-08-02 23:18

      Agree Tamara, just ask Malema, He has an entire "Tool Shed"!

      R.Suppards - 2011-08-02 23:36

      Julius does not have a tool, he only has a wee wee, ask Floyd.

      Mike - 2011-08-03 06:52

      Neil : Eish all those tools but no knowlege of how to use them, woodwork washout

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-08-03 09:09

      Julious is physically incapable of being a Tool, because to be a Tool you have to be able to FIX someting, ANYTHING. Definition of a Tool: I fix, therefore i AM.

      Staalbal - 2011-08-03 11:14

      An entire tool shed of blunt woodwork tools

  • jock - 2011-08-02 23:22

    you are doing a good job of stuffing up the country without anybody using any tools

      Together - 2011-08-03 09:42

      Not sure who you are referring to, Jock?

      KickKnowledge - 2011-08-03 10:50

      He is referring to us blacks. I like this kind of white people because they hate us openly.

      Jo - 2011-08-03 11:01

      I don't know, KickKnowledge - I think he is referring to the youth league who certainly do NOT represent all black South Africans at all. Anyone knows that all over SA there are 1 000 000's of black and white citizens doing their jobs and raising their families without advocating hate and craziness.

      Pearson - 2011-08-03 12:33

      KickKnowledge -White people don't hate Blacks. We hate IDIOTS!

      ANC-FTL - 2011-08-03 15:24

      Pearson - true that

  • Motivator - 2011-08-02 23:41

    We are fast running out of capitalists and masters. Many left because of the unplanned distribution of their wealth. They did not realise that crime was apparently legal. The handful of remaining capitalists and masters were labelled criminals. But the land should be returned to... the former .. subsistence capitalists. When will this LBG (Lame Blame Game) end and a Vigorous, Accountable and Competitive passion emerge? Cry, this beloved country.

  • Markusman - 2011-08-03 00:25

    the term "master" has no relevance anymore, is there one person out there who still answers to their "master?" the correct term is "boss" I may be a socialist but why is the term Capitalist used as such a derogatory term? Every method of government has its pros and cons, communism may sound ideal but please give me a functioning example

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 02:39

      Hey...Capitalist China... is still Communist...... hang on... or is that Socialist? Nah... they are Capitalist..... with Communistic Ideals......mmmmm Wait... China are Communists, in "LEADERSHIP".... but CPAITALIST in.... Sorry... am fuct... How come Big Brother comes to mind? Or am I speaking about South Africa???? ARRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

      Dal68 - 2011-08-03 08:41

      Communism, the longest and hardest route from Capitalism to Capitalism...

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-08-03 09:11

      Capitalisim and Communisim in their purest forms will always fail in the end. What we need is a compromise, a mixing of the 2, the best elements of each. Because Alloys are always much better than just the pure metals, if you mix the right ones up.

      Goose - 2011-08-03 09:32

      lol, Creeky! I've also given up trying to work out what China is. They are suffering from a political identity crisis. In general I like China, and I think they are moving in the right direction. I have a hunch they will abandon communism with in the next decade.

      nvl - 2011-08-03 09:54

      Life in Socialist Russia: My Mother was making 185 rubles my dad was making 220 rubles a month. (average family highly educated with university degrees ) Total income 405 rubles a month (4 members in my family.) The Ruble was about 78c to dollar   Half a liter of milk: 8c  Loaf Bread: 18-24c  Pair of winter boots (you would like to wear): 80- 120 rubles Second hand bicycle for children: 25 rubles Average winter hat: 25 rubles School uniform: 6- 8 rubles Water electricity: 25 rubles   Party membership: 5 rubles a month Price of meat: 5 rubles p/kg Bottle of vodka: 5 rubles  One bottle of beer: 64c All the extra things like clothes and furniture, and appliances were very expensive. Forget about fresh fish all you got was frozen fish. Soviet made car of middle range 5000 rubles + queue for 12 years for commoners, 5 years for war veterans. For government flat average queue from 8 years to infinity. Salary for cleaners was 68 rubles a month. There were no such things as social grants in Socialist Russia! Paying for someone who doesn't work in Russia?  Who came up with this daft idea anyway?! If you did not work you go to jail! If You did not work you were considered a parasite and a criminal, and when you did go to jail, you worked! Socialism isn't utopia, like some would like to think.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:01

      Creeky - even less articulate than usual... and that takes some doing.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:02

      Martin. VERY WELL SAID!

      UKUTHULA EMHLABENI. - 2011-08-03 14:51

      @Nvl if that was the life in Socialist Russia then the majority of our people will enjoy enjoyin all that.

      Richie - 2011-08-03 16:40

      UKUTHULA EMHLABENI. - the math is clearly lost on you!!! Eish. Should we use pictures.

  • sipholess - 2011-08-03 00:28

    Ok, and there are still people who believe the rainbow nation can work ? This mob are a different species and unfortunately they hold all the cards.

      Andre - 2011-08-03 00:57

      You are an Asshole!!! Sorry, but you just are

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-03 06:41

      I agree with Andre.

      Mthetwa - 2011-08-03 07:03

      I agree with Andre & John

      Lyle - 2011-08-03 07:21

      I agree with Andre, John and Mthetwa

      Rob Gunning - 2011-08-03 07:41

      I agree with Andre, John, Mthetwa and Lyle

      mfundiNdaba - 2011-08-03 08:37

      I agree with Andre, John, Mthetwa, Lyle and!

      Dal68 - 2011-08-03 08:42

      Yip, I must agree with Andre and the rest...

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:04

      Now why would you say that Andre. The man is making a good point. I would certainly love it if this rainbow nation could be what we intended it to be with liberation in 1994. What could possibly be wrong about wanting a peaceful nation? I would venture that you are the one who is a strange smelling rear orifice.

      Blikskottel - 2011-08-03 10:26

      Some people must have born naive..

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 10:30

      @ Daaivark-What rainbow nation? The rainbow does not consist of a black and white colour.

  • jvl - 2011-08-03 00:39

    They seem oblivious that woman have the vote,and are the majority in this country,alienating them,by presuming that only "men" can be independant thinkers,is a bad move,and can cost them dearly

  • Carlos - 2011-08-03 00:49

    Go Lindiwe Mazibuko Go! I have never been so proud of a Black woman, really, excuse me for coming out with the race card. In any other civilized country this ignorant sexist would have been sued for racism/sexism, never mind assault on a woman's dignity. But here he goes from insult to offense to incitement to murder, and it has to be a woman who puts him in his place...I hope he gets what he deserves.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 10:50

      "I have never been so proud of a Black woman" - lol

      Simangele - 2011-08-06 10:23

      All the whites love her, She doesnt even want to speak her language poor farm girl

  • nvl - 2011-08-03 05:39

    You will have a master even if you are a Socialist, but this time your 'Master' will be your government. Because your 'government' will be the only capitalist left in this country once they have destroyed the rest of us 'Capitalists'.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:05

      What on earth are you tryiong to say here? Sorry but my Greek is very rusty.

  • Benoexpat - 2011-08-03 06:21

    The whites never lost what was theirs. Instead of really fighting they simply gave it away. The blacks never really fought for what they have, they simply received it on a plate. This explains the situation in South Africa. The hatred just lingers on and on and on.....

      radarblip - 2011-08-03 07:33

      agreed. that is why in South Africa it is referred to as 'the struggle'. in zim it was a full on war, therefore people there had to actually fight for their cause and it is why everyone there works hard and gets on well. unlike here.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:06

      You guys don't know what you are talking about.

      ANCockup - 2011-08-03 11:20

      Correct. The so-called armed struggle is a figment of their imagination.@daaivark I know what I am talking about I have lived here for 46 years.

      Airborne68 - 2011-08-03 11:28

      Daaivark, check the thumbs up vs thumbs down.

      Airborne68 - 2011-08-03 14:17

      OK,OK, you guys don't know what you're talking about. :)

      Airborne68 - 2011-08-03 14:18

      Although I'm still confused by the original thumbs up/down.

      radarblip - 2011-08-04 14:51

      daaivaark, what world do you live in?

  • Captainmorgan - 2011-08-03 06:41

    This serves to confirm that black people put themselves in an inferior position , they are not proud of who they are , always striving to anything but black . As for black women striving to have a voice equal to their male couterparts they have still got a very long battle ahead of them

      Pickle - 2011-08-03 06:51

      I agree. Black woman are so disrespected by their own race. I applaud a black woman who succeeds. I applaud the black man who lets her succeed even more.

      Together - 2011-08-03 09:45

      Mostly I salute every single South African who understands how dearly freedom was bought and refuses to give it up again for a fistful of bucks and a bit of recognition. A lot of future SAfricans are going to be grateful for your brave stand, Lindiwe and others.

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 10:06

      Well said Pickle!

      mamakalami - 2011-08-03 11:15

      Pickle - Black women are generally the most disrespected by most - all races included. A few years ago our company went on an 'experiment' to see if white men did actually treat black women the same as they do white women. We went to two malls in the area - and found that white men will always let a white woman go before them when entering a building - the same didn't always apply when a black woman tried to walk in before the white man. I still test it today - and some white men will even knock you over so as not to allow you to walk in first.

      FutureProductions - 2011-08-03 14:34

      Anyone remembering Winnie Mandela...?

      Maddy-CT - 2011-08-03 17:58

      @ mamakalami. That is because some white men have good manners, and some white men don't.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-08-03 07:00

    References to a "white master" (racism) is the only thing the ANC can rely on to perpetuate their lives of opulence while millions suffer in poverty. In the same vein on can call all those that vote for the ANC the "fools of the Black master" There is no colour to respect, integrity, honesty and justice. But there is a colour to greed, megalomania, racism, arrogance, nepotism and corruption. It is red. And it brings no joy to a Nation. Only shame. Good to have people like Lindiwe, Thuli, Redi, Ferial, Patricia,and Helen in this shameful sham of a country. The true Mothers of the Nation, if ever we become one.

      Kwatsha - 2011-08-03 17:03

      If it is so much a "sham of a country" . Get the f out! The sooner we can replace your kind the better Southern Africa will be. Amandla.

      maseratifitt - 2011-08-03 18:50

      Kwatsha: Babies raped,butchered,dumped on garbage heaps for pigs to eat, thrown in toilets. Children killed for body parts. Farmers and elderly people murdered daily. Fat cats shamelessly stealing from the poor. These are but a few of the very reasons I WILL STAY. And you know NOTHING of "my kind" as you put it. I am in nobody's box and never will be. I am South African.

  • Kunta-Kinte - 2011-08-03 07:04

    Sometimes people actually want to express their dislike for others and do that by means of using insults. Insults are meant to be distressing. Is insulting someone now criminal? Accusing ALL people of a particular racial grouping of having a certain characteristic is racist; accusing one person of betraying their roots is just an insult. Doing it by using the word tea girl or coconut is just a quite elegant (if now slightly cliched) metaphor.

      Together - 2011-08-03 09:49

      Maybe to you Kunta-Kinte , but those of us white South Africans who grew up under apartheid used to be called many different "elegant" names for refusing to support that racist system. Today we hear black SOuth Africans being treated in the same way for rebelling against this racist system - it actually just makes law-abiding and reasonable people of all colours see red. I guess that the grown-ups amongst us feel like there's too much work to do with our hands to waste time on these childish race-hate fests that pass for leadership.

      Together - 2011-08-03 13:18

      Matt, Kunta-Kinte is asking a legitimate question and a sensible answer would be more useful than a pointless insult.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 16:12

      Kunta-Kinte - you confuse racial stereotyping with racism. Then again, guvamund have no idea what the difference is either. Only that racism is limited to white people.

  • Fly - 2011-08-03 07:21

    Eric Miyeni senses the challenge and aligning himself as a sympathizer in the belief that this will blow over and he will be favored in future as a 'comrade'. It is easy to take this position. All one has to do is be controversial and attack the other races like comrade Juju. These are heroes waiting for a struggle to happen.

      Together - 2011-08-03 09:56

      So, opportunistic feeders, then? Not professionals, not objective observers - just opportunistic feeders. Sell-out to the one who grants the biggest favour? I hope that you are wrong because I would have retained a bit of respect if I thought that he'd had some sort of stress-related melt-down, been threatened or even brainwashed. But to just dump your professional objectivity to garner future favour is pathetic. Seriously, I know may parking attendants who treat their jobs with more integrity and professionalism than that.

  • Hansie - 2011-08-03 07:50

    How on earth can you dare threatning a person like that - but on the other hand, this is the kind of scab that we have to deal with and to be knoked into place.

  • GT - 2011-08-03 07:57

    Enough of these distractions from the ANCYL. They are amateurs and the "professionals" are in the big party busy looting the system I call on the press to stop going to their press conferences and just deny them column space. Reuters did it to Paris Hilton for a month and she just went away. Please do the same here!!

      Together - 2011-08-03 09:56


  • WCD - 2011-08-03 08:06

    @DubulaAMABUNU - You do not know the first think about anything, insulting you is an insult

  • Hugh - 2011-08-03 08:15

    funny thing about white masters. They are alway willing to help the blackman. Where does 99% of donor money come from? Sad that so few can fools so many. Anyway I have been told daily that I am Racist by all levels of government that I have become to accept it with out guilt.

      middelvinger - 2011-08-04 12:22

      Please explain - Why do blacks (read ANCYL) always bring "white" into the equation when the argument clearly involved brains and logical thinking? Why do blacks (read ANCYL) always clearly suffer from an inferiority complex when other blacks question their reasoning on very logical grounds and then play the racist argument of being "white" servants, "apartheid" "racist" etc? The ANC youth has chosen Malema as leader - a proven total idiot and now corrupt "trust fund toddler".

  • Badballie - 2011-08-03 08:36

    blacks for the most part don't have a clue anyway, only in South Africa.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-05 06:21

      Considering the mess that apartheid created does that mean that whites are also clueless ?

  • nn.prv - 2011-08-03 08:39

    Who exactly are the "high profile" Black women you are referring to? because those i know are strong,independent and not scared of their critics.Obvious that you are not one of them.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 10:54

      you must realise the company she keeps shapes her opinion

  • Nic Nicol - 2011-08-03 08:40

    the ANCYL and their ilk cannot accept that there are superior women of colour out there and they got there on their own resources. I bet they look in the mirror each day and love their own uniqueness. Viva Mazibuko, Viva Haffajee and Viva any woman of whatever colour can put males in their place, I just love to see women succeed.

  • Rikhogrande - 2011-08-03 08:40

    OK? As far as I know she submitted her CV to the DA and was chosen by the leadership, not elected using a democratic process by the members of the party. The leadership is headed by Hellen, and if you were to ask her if she has made tea for Hellen before she would say 'YES'. Judging from her interests you would probably say she works for lighter side of our demographic.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 10:57

      of course she made tea for DA leadership at one point. it was part of her apprenticeship and by no means an attempt at defining her job description. she would never be elected - the DA members commenting on news24 will never allow what they refer to as "sub species" leading them

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 11:03

      So you are privy to her interests? On what do you base this statement?

      Rikhogrande - 2011-08-03 13:13

      @vaark, sorry meant to say the interests she serves, her party and those the party represents. And to confirm whether she was elected or not you can just ask the DA, or any of their representatives, she submitted a CV and got the job, so in that sense she is not a true political leader. She does not command any clout of her own but feeds of the clout of Helen. About the tea lady bit, she was seen making tea for Helen on more than one occasion at the IEC election headquarters during the local government elections, guese who also saw this, juju. Hence him calling her a tea lady for the madam, i.e someone who keeps making tea for the madam.

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-03 13:26

      LOL, well I never noiticed the actual tea thing, but hey, we all fetch drinks for the gents & make tea for the ladies when its our turn, so WTF is wrong with it?

      Neles - 2011-08-03 14:28

      and you know that Helen ... she sure loves her tea ;-)

  • ihatum - 2011-08-03 08:42

    Well, tru to a certain extent, except for "being true to your race", rather be true to human kind. Race should never be a factor. On being called names, that should not deter anyone from speaking out if you believe in what you are doing. We've got people like Madiba who were called names but they belived in what they were doing. Don't be intimidated by the bullies.

  • lmapheto - 2011-08-03 08:45

    Lindiwe you probably havent heard of what black consiousness is and your ambitions remain the approval of white western standards, i hope ur son or kid tells you one day that I WISH I WAS WHITE

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 09:13

      She's a disgrace to the black nation. She'll always be second best in the DA because her Madams and Masters will never be led by a black TEA GIRL! When she finally realise that she was used, we the ANC will welcome her with open arms.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 09:41

      Pity you fools. If Western standards and ambitions are a bad thing, quit your Western jobs and move back into the veld, build a big mud hut and try to survive off the land - with NO Western aids, like medicine, money, farm implements, etc.

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 09:48

      @Unskinny Bob- Why don't you migrate to the same hole you came from? Troll

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 09:50

      I come from right here in South Africa. Tard.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 10:29

      Sure thing Enigma. But then the ANC government is out some R300k per annum in income tax, plus however many hundred thousand in VAT. Do you know how many families that money feeds? Blindly hate white people all you want but remember - when all the whites are gone, who is going to pay for SA's welfare state? Julius Malema? Haha...

      Neles - 2011-08-03 10:59

      lol at "sleep in front of your tractor"

      daaivark - 2011-08-03 11:07

      Get rid of your cellphone, get off the internet, you western-phobic fool. The world has moved beyond these stupid silos. Economies are now global. This West/East/ Middle crap ia about as relevant now as stone tablets.

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-05 06:31

      Western Standards is doing another country in and benefitting off the blood, sweat and tears of the countries it colonises.

      Neles - 2011-08-05 10:25

      Western Standards is propping up governments that are corrupt overlooking the corruption,sub standard labour practices for financial gain through their local industries

      jean.dutoit - 2011-08-05 10:31

      John Wilderness, you need to put down that crack pipe you're smoking. It's clear the crack has dissolved most of your brain already, and we don't want you to turn into a complete vegetable.

  • Pieter - 2011-08-03 09:13

    Jealousy and resentment is all it comes down to.

  • themba.masilela3 - 2011-08-03 09:15

    Is DA still existing? I thought it left with Local Government Elections!!

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 10:11

      Actually a large portion of ANC support left with the local municipal elections.

  • Lynne - 2011-08-03 09:16

    As a female past president of the chambers of commerce I reject this story in the strongest possible terms.This is racist propaganda at its worst. Anon.

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-03 13:28

      Anon or Lynne?

  • Lynne - 2011-08-03 09:18

    I reject this propanganda with contempt. What nonsense.Female Past President Chambers of Commerce.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 12:17

      Lynne Brown - is that you?

  • letswai - 2011-08-03 09:43

    tea girl of the madam.shut up.

      MBossenger - 2011-08-03 11:35

      wow, that's original, did you come up with that scathing riposte all by yourself?

      radarblip - 2011-08-04 14:54

      hey letswai: tell us all, if she is a 'tea girl' with 'no sense of politics', why is your leader so scared to debate with her??

  • Zakhele - 2011-08-03 10:10

    Cha, cha, cha, cha...ntombazana. You are such a lost sheep. We can all see that your article was edited and toned down by madam HZ. Speak for yourself Lindiwe. Should we try again? Say what you wanted to say my girl! Don't get HZ to approve your opinion. We know you must be the only black girl to talk like that. Why is that Lindiwe Mwelase, Zibuko wami?

      MBossenger - 2011-08-03 11:35

      What evidence do you have that the article was edited by Helen Zille?

  • Eric West - 2011-08-03 10:15

    Well said, Lindiwe. Lindiwe Mazibuko is the next leader of the DA!

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 10:37

      Ha!!!!!!!! Eric West then PIGS will fly before the DA is ruled by a black Tea GIRL!

      changeisGood - 2011-08-03 11:20

      This reminds me of Joe Seremane's sad story.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 12:20

      lol yeah poor Joe Seremane - shame he thought he'd actually be in a position of influence and power within the DA. They paraded him like he was the messiah at one point

  • Francois Engelbrecht - 2011-08-03 10:15

    When is politicians and government officials going to stop being racist, sexist and blaming all their shortcomings on anything and everything other than themselves? People are supposed to look up to them as role models. All they are teaching is lying, blaming, never take responsibility, how to get away after committing crime and how to abuse "your" new found power and wealth. Where is our leader! A real leader!

  • cerveza - 2011-08-03 10:22

    The black masters do not want black woman to have white friends Time we stop listening to the white/black masters and be friends with whom we want. Lets choose people that share interests and ideas with us instead of skin colour, it makes for more interesting conversation

  • Blikskottel - 2011-08-03 10:23

    Eric has clearly show the existance this inferiority that black people are accused else could he have come out with what he wrote/

  • Zakhele - 2011-08-03 10:24

    News24 is a DA thing. You will just never win any argument here. They hid all the factual information that seems to be against the DA. ANC people pull out of News24. Let them have the conversation amongst themselves and their DA. No wonder, News24 head office is in Cape Town. News24Just is just another mini-DA thing this.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 10:40

      Byebye now.

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 11:01

      PLease tell me which site can I go to, so that I can join my fellow ANC comrades?

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 11:23

      Enigma - 2011-08-03 11:29

      Good one Unskinny Bob, you deserve a pap sak!

      Neles - 2011-08-03 12:27

      Zakhele its Naspers thats a "DA thing"

      BLACKFRUIT - 2011-08-04 14:33

      Somebody give Fat Bob a papsak LOL

  • Ann - 2011-08-03 10:29

    I agree with Lindiwe - unfortunately in the eyes of sexist males such as Julius and those of his ilk, Black women will always run this risk. However, Lindiwe is a woman who stands up to people such as he without fear. We just need a lot more fearless women to stand their ground.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 12:24

      Ann, I might be mistaken, but didn't Mrs Zille hire an all male cabinet?

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-03 13:34

      @Neles, actually, Ms Zille had suggested various posts to various female members, however many of them decided they prefer to be in parliament rather than cabinet. This made sense as they would be seen better there than white males, & at the same time leave those who wish to run the province, to do so without interference. The end result: A well oiled provincial machine delivering services

      Neles - 2011-08-03 14:29

      thanks for clearing that up, DABOSS247365 - so I wasn't mistaken regarding her all male cabinet.

  • Bearman - 2011-08-03 10:35

    @siya.block: Maybe you should be thinking about the bigger issues. Leave insults and clan mentality out of the picture.

  • Bearman - 2011-08-03 10:36

    @siya.block: Maybe you should be thinking about the bigger issues. Leave insults and clan mentality out of the picture.

  • Shees - 2011-08-03 10:45

    @siya - RACIST!!!! you are a racist and do not deserve to be a South-African. Things will never get better unless you let go of you RACIST ways... it is not right!

  • mamakalami - 2011-08-03 10:48

    We live in a democracy and people have a right to support any political ideologies which appeal to them as long as they do not pose a danger to any individual or individuals (extremism). Its time for South Africans to grow up and stop attacking one another for their choices.

  • KickKnowledge - 2011-08-03 10:56

    White guys have always had a curiosity about how the maid is in bed. So if not literally why not in business. That is scr@w the maid.

  • Ingrid - 2011-08-03 11:00

    So what are the Blacks really doing to uplift the lot of the poor people in this country. As far as I can see the whites are still building this country. When are you guys going to stop this blame game and blatant racism against the whites. It is quite boring really.

  • Virginia - 2011-08-03 11:07

    I really think it is about time the word racialism gets taken out of our vocabulary. This word like Black and White are words to often used by the Media. When things are told as it should be, the offended party will always cry racialism, its about time you people took responsibility for your actions, our children are growing up amongste all this hate, come on people you are all supposed to be educated, put all your intolerance aside and try and work together, we get told everyday about having tolerance, unconditional love unity amonste our fellow men , lets all try this and maybe we will become better citizens of this country.

      Neles - 2011-08-03 13:25

      "its plain and simple black people cannot rule, their black mentality is the problem they cannot think out of the box but they want to live out of the box like everyone else. I know i am sounding racial now but please forgive me as this is how I see it" - Virginia

  • Richie - 2011-08-03 11:20

    Cont... Not to mention we will become a pariah state like Venezuela, etc. All their nationalization has brought them nothing, but sanctions. In fact nationalization has not worked for anybody, so why harp on about something that has proven over and over to fail the people meant to benefit, but a select few. Dont you think that I/we would love it if nationalization could save us. I am paying 45% tax and we living in the biggest welfare state in the world. I/we would gladly take this extra income, but know and believe it wont work. Further the land issue; 40,000 white farmers and 50,000,000 million South Africans is 0.08% of the population. Land is not going to make things better for the 50 million people. People can’t eat land, but they will starve if they take land, the current expropriated farms are not even run profitably. People don’t want land they want education for their kids and jobs. This is all just emotional-drivel used by the ANCYL to muster support for their efforts to push their ridiculously short sighted ideas and policies which all have very dubious motives if you ask me.

      Unskinny Bob - 2011-08-03 11:26

      ANC don't want to educate the masses. An educated individual KNOWS after 17 years there should be some signs of improvement instead of promises of a better future still to come and blame on the previous regime. An uneducated voter is a loyal voter.

      samzaG - 2011-08-03 11:52

      a typical racist ideology of Pik Bothas who believed that blacks must be decided what they want , dont expect them they know what they want. our fathers had cattles,goats ,chicken,horses as result of land grab by nonsensical boears their live stock died where they were pushed to, today the very same nonsensical idiots scared of land grab, yet when they started it was ok.

      KickKnowledge - 2011-08-03 11:57

      Sorry but the only solution to racism is a multiracial orgy.

  • ANCockup - 2011-08-03 11:25

    In order to avert racism, whites should not call blacks black but rather refer to them as strugglers, for as long as they are black they will be strugglers. Blacks should refer to whites as baas or boss, for as long as we are white we will be the boss. So we have a nation of strugglers and baas's. No mention of black or white = no racism. Problem solved.

  • Virginia - 2011-08-03 11:27

    No, Eric Miyeni, black people cannot do as they please, you also live under the rules of government, the only difference between black and white in this country is that you people dont seem to have respect for your overseers which are black.You have a saying"Its because I'm black" when anyone dresses you down, well maybe that is a true statement, becasue many of you who hold prominent positions, dont understand that you cannot do your work as a black person, you have to do it as a journalist, and when someone does, it does not suit you. You have to know who you are and what you are, dont use your blackness to be noticed.

  • changeisGood - 2011-08-03 12:12

    continuation---so I need to hear from you what your suggestion is to ensure everyone is fairly and equally treated when it comes to fair practice as far as meaningfull contribution in the economy is concerned because, I feel it is unfair for me to fairly compete with someone who got a head start long before I was even born. I was on the back foot from day one. I will be playing catch up all the time, I want to know how can I overcome this unfair advantage against me. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on this one.

  • sobiya - 2011-08-03 12:20

    Living in Pietermaritzburg I have witness a five week sit-in by local ANC activist who were calling for the removal of the Regional Executive Council because they claim that it was micro-managing the local municipalities. So not everyone who is black is tolerant of corruption and they even challenge the Premier of KZN Dr Zweli Mkhize the mafia boss of corruption in the province. Black people are tired of corruption maybe they are not as vocal about it as others would like but knowing black folks once they are fed up you will witness a civil war in this country before the real rainbow nation is born. The like of Malema and his cronies who use the ANC name to gain riches will be seen for who and what they are people are not fools it is just that they take time to speak out and once they do all hell will break loose.