Cele rallies anti-Zuma camp

2012-09-09 16:54

Johannesburg - Former police chief Bheki Cele is rallying opposition to President Jacob Zuma ahead of the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung in December, according to reports on Sunday.

The Sunday Times reported that Cele was drumming up support for an "Anyone but Zuma" camp in the president's home province of KwaZulu-Natal, which was regarded as a Zuma stronghold.

According to the newspaper, Cele had held meetings with Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, Arts Minister Paul Mashatile, and anti-Zuma groups.

Cele was believed to still have influence in KwaZulu-Natal, where he previously chaired the eThekwini region. As such, he would reportedly be a useful ally to Motlanthe in the province, which has the greatest number of party members.

Tokyo Sexwale

In Mpumalanga, also previously regarded as loyal to Zuma, Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale, who is reportedly thought to be interested in standing for the presidency, was expected to attend a "cadre's assembly" with North West Premier Thandi Modise and African National Congress Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola on Sunday.

One of the camps opposed to a second term for Zuma met in Sandton on Wednesday and decided to support Motlanthe for president and Sexwale for deputy.

The Sunday Independent reported that Cele attended the meeting, but he denied doing so and said that at the time, he was at his home in Durban, sleeping.

"Unless somebody says I was a Holy ghost, which can be at two places at once," he told the newspaper.

According to the Sunday Independent, Cele, Sexwale and other ANC leaders were identified in an intelligence document as plotting to overthrow Zuma at the Mangaung conference.

The ANCYL, which was previously thought to back Sexwale for deputy president, had now reportedly decided to back ANC treasurer Mathews Phosa instead.


The Sunday Tribune reported that the party's provincial and regional chairpersons had been warned that turning against Zuma would result in their influence over government tender processes coming to an end.

An unnamed source told the newspaper: "We were told that we would be out in the cold... that we would go hungry".

A pro-Zuma camp, called the "national coalition", was reportedly expected to tell Northern Cape chair John Block that if he pledged support for Zuma, corruption charges against him would be withdrawn.

According to the Sunday Tribune, KwaZulu-Natal Premier Zweli Mkhize, Free State Premier Ace Magashule, Mpumalanga Premier David Mabuza and Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande were rumoured to be members of the national coalition.

  • stoute.babuseng - 2012-09-09 17:07

    Lol he fired for your incompetence and your corrupt ways, bear in mind in not a fan of Zuma but I hail for firing you a$$

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-09 17:41

      cANCer is not about what is right or wrong or even what is best. It’s about money... money money money full stop and in that anything goes.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-09 20:04

      I think we should be carefull what we wish for here. Zuma might be a laughing stock, incompetent and an embarrasement, but he might be the only one standing between something resembling a democracy and total anarchy. The only reason why Tokyo is supportive of the ANCYL is because he has personal ambitions. Just imagine the mines can be nationalised and he is in control of all the mines, he would be rich beyond imagination. That the driving force, they are using the poor to that end, they don't give a damn about the poor

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-09 20:19

      I echo your opinion a million times more.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-10 08:50

      @ juan.prinsloo.750 I'm so glad that finally somebody gets it, the DA is not gonna be in powwer anytime soon, I'm not saying they never will but right now if we are going to be realistic then I would say be careful what you wish for, If Zuma goes then Malema is in then we are all in for a very high jump,trust me.

      sean.carbutt - 2012-09-10 09:51

      I saw a movie about this, it was about 10 years back. Wait what was it called again, mmhhh. Oh wait i have it: Dumb abd Dumberer

      johan.vanhoff - 2012-10-14 16:25


  • Sakhiwo - 2012-09-09 17:08

    I also want to be a member of the ANC so that i can be on one of those 2 camps.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-09-09 18:49

      I want to be a member of the ANC so I can get all the good jobs, even without an education!!!

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-09-09 17:11

    only in sa would the government get away with this, or should i say africa, bravo, another banana republic on route

      Ari - 2012-09-10 08:35

      While i agree that we are becoming a banana republic, I would suggest that you read some amerikan political history. Those orcs are corrupt beyond belief. As a starter, Google the Carlyle Group or the Blackwater security establishment. SA is not alone or unique. We all suffer politicians and banksters.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-09 17:18

    Impossible to side.

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-09 17:20

    Pity its only a "Payback" These guys want back into the feeding frenzy, or they want to start a new lurk. The whole lot of them are useless.

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-09-09 17:22

    Is Cele not terminally ill ? It's ok if he's trying to get rid of Zuma. Once that is achieved, get his ass back in jail. ANC is not ineffective and corrupt, they are a bunch of jokers

      Michael - 2012-09-09 17:32

      Cele was never sick, the sick man is Jackie Selebi.

      SharonE - 2012-09-09 18:22

      Its ok, arthur, its so hard to tell these politicians apart! Their likeness is in their actions and the fact that they were both fired - bottom line, they are all equally rotton..

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-10 08:55

      Arthur do you realize what getting rid of Zuma means? It means the rise of malema < iwill take my chances with Zuma thank you.

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-10 11:23

      Jackie Selebi sick? My arse! Nothing wrong with the thieving, criminal!

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-09-09 17:35

    How can anyone who has been dismissed for being involved in corrupt deals still have any say in politics? Is this only possible in the ANC!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-09-09 21:04

      That's exactly what I was thinking....with the seems you can do what ever you like and still have lifetime anc membership...there are no consequences for unacceptable bahaviour...

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-10 08:29

      It (corruption) seems to be a prerequisite to be a good cadre with lots of say in SA politics.

  • provence.poppies - 2012-09-09 17:36

    Bye bye Zuma and your 40 wives and girlfriends

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-09 17:45

      Amen to that. I’m fed up paying for all his accessories and all of his DNA running around.

      mo.chalale - 2012-09-09 18:05

      Eish... Me too.

      Michael - 2012-09-09 18:10

      But you will continue to pay for his bills, he keeps the benefits even after retirement. Once a president always a president!

      marc.schnehage - 2012-09-09 18:50

      No, its Alibaba and his 40 thieves!

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-09-10 09:26

      Even P.W. Botha died receiving benefits from the state, that son of a b*tch

  • mondli.botha - 2012-09-09 17:38

    There is only one option out of this misery, do a referendum. So as to change the constitution n take power from political parties into the hands of the citizen. A gap exists currently because the political office bearers are accountable to their own political parties. In that way you will be able to influence the public discourse as opposed to this ineffective elective system. Even if I was a politician as especially the president I would do as I please or exploit the gap to myself. U people can lament this situation until whites become black and black become white. Let south africans directly vote for their president on ballot papers n not the party.

      jerry.medina.756 - 2012-09-09 17:51

      Politics South African style. Who in his right mind will vote for Zuma? We need a public representative government not the one selected by 3000 or so uneducated delegates.

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-09 18:15

      Thanks for bringing this up...the only way they account for is tenders that have been given to fellow party members.Since Malema joned varsity he thinks he is better than the president and ego tells him he can run this country better.we would be stupid to be divided into hyena packs by these people..I would rather vote someone else and see them in future when they start taking us seriously as citizens.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-09 18:37

      Well~stated Mondli. The current party~list is simply not right for SA where loyalty to a political boss trumps accountability to the citizenry. The ANC must be booted out of power because it is this party that has a vested interest in this system which it uses to reward `cadres` (for their part in the struggle) even when they`ve proven over and over again how useless and incompetent they are

      marc.schnehage - 2012-09-09 18:47

      If I become black, can I get a tender?

      thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-09-09 19:11

      U r right and its a pity that majority of voters on the ground do not know and understand this. As for Cele campaigning, I just hope he will not be rewarded with a leadership post. U just can't tell what will happen in a democrazy country.

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-09 19:38

      marc I thought we were discussing a real issue so you better know when to play you games and find a suitable posting for that.thers a number of people talking about colour on the platform if thats what you are in dire need for.

      demi.davidson.18 - 2012-09-10 07:31

      Its cockroach time. These cockroaches that have been kicked out of office for serious crimes are crawling into any space they can find in an attempt to be seen/heard. Cockroaches should be crushed as the disease carriers they are. malema, cele, winnie & more. All with tarnished and corrupt backgrounds, still scuttling around for morsels of any kind.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 12:41

      Mondli, I couldn't agree with you more. The only problem is that the system can only be changed by those in power - and I do not see the ANC EVER doing that. The only solution would be to vote the ANC out of power under the current system. But please allow me to compliment you on a sensible view very clearly stated.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 12:43

      Well put, Demi. Pity the cockroaches have so much influence . . .

  • Michael - 2012-09-09 17:44

    Motlanthe will not stand if he is being backed by people who are acting from the position of weakness, like Malema and Cele, these guys were fired from their respective positions!

  • donald.morathi - 2012-09-09 17:45

    Shenanigans, Shenanigans , Shenanigans,

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-09 17:53

      Shenanigans? Is that the politically correct term for cANCer’s criminal and corrupt actions?

      lynette.d.roos - 2012-09-10 19:27

      Dog eat Dog is what this has become. Rotten to the core and no fixing this one. Help me here, but I heard not too long ago someone say that the ANC will rule forever!!. Bliksem......forever is a short time!!!!.

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-09 17:59

    That is exactly what should happen when someone secured a job not because they were educated and patriotic.It goes to show how much danger we are facing as a whole country.people are forming hyena packs to destroy one another to win the keys to the tax payers stash while they should be focusing on the real issues that affect South Africa.who will do the work that they have been voted in to do.These are dangerousand very angree people who do not want to get anything in a legitimate way.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-09-09 18:05

    Zuma is blackmailing mr Block now. How about ant ANC instead.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 12:45

      Unfortunately, this highlights the depths to which ANC politics have plunged.

  • wendetutubalang.wende - 2012-09-09 18:11

    It is not sometimes progressive to be lobbied by leaders who were removes from their positions of power because of inconpitencies

  • PaasHaas - 2012-09-09 18:13

    So one crook wants to get another crook kicked out of office so that he can get reappointed as chief of the crook catchers again. The inmates are running the asylum!

  • siyanda.yeni.5 - 2012-09-09 18:18

    Of course Cele is gonna be for \anyone but Zuma\! The dude might as well have exposed his behind in public! He must order the police to \SHOOT AND KILL\ Zuma! They've listed to him before!

  • savanajack - 2012-09-09 18:19

    anc has lost the status of bein a liberation movement n turned 2b typical african political party that is all abwt survival. motlanthe once said he s nt interested in the top seat n now he s plottin against zuma? n every1 agains every1? pathetic...

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-09-09 18:31

    Same circus, same clowns

  • mknnko003 - 2012-09-09 18:43


  • Ditantane - 2012-09-09 19:03

    Zuma's defeat will be worse than 'hurricane Jacob'.

  • dumisani.dube.399 - 2012-09-09 19:03

    our democracy in crises

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-09-09 19:06

    It is absolutely friggin scary to think that one of the things foremost in the heads of our leaders when they are competing for position is access to tenders. Whatever happened to honesty, honour, integrity, service to your country...

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 12:48

      That, Louis, is exactly the heart of the problem. And try though you may, you will never turn a pig into a racehorse.

  • Ntobane Setabola - 2012-09-09 19:14

    Zume surely had rotten ANC. I wish Motlanthe doesn't take that post cz he go be a laughing stock,2 much damage had been caused already.\r\nMaybe it time we vote 4 another party which did neither good nor bad 4 our country n not a breakaway party.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-09-09 22:56

      ANC is no more rotten than the society we live in. Rot starts in our homes and workplace. Do you know how many people with Grade 12 have better jobs than those those with tertiary qualifications, do we know how many parents indoctrinate their children, do you know how many religious leaders do crime...

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 12:53

      Themba, do you think that it is good enough for the government leaders to be no worse than our society? Do you not believe that they should set the example for everyone else to follow? I have news for you - they in fact ARE setting the example which society follows, because society will ALWAYS follow the example set by their leaders - whether that example be good or bad. And THAT, my friend, is exactly why we live in such a sick society.

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-09 19:16

    Come on black people,can we please stop fighting each for some stupid power in the government.I mean this is disgusting and embarrassing.White people are probably laughing @ us and thinking that maybe we are dumb and uneducated.

      keith.ngobeni - 2012-09-09 19:46

      It's too late for that, they're already looking at us as stupid people without description, this current ANC government is an embarrassment to our beautiful south Africa, the big problem is the whole world is watching a clueless government making blunder after blunder.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-09 21:55

      Hey Brothers and Sisters of SA.. Irrespective of colour it is very healthy to engage in open discussions on how you feel. 'We' are not laughing for one second. It is not 'your' personal fault as to WHO is at the helm of this ship and steering it off course. With the correct person this country of 'ours' can become something amazing! It is never too late and strongly believe Unity is possible if we can all get on the same page without discriminating..

  • mntsethe - 2012-09-09 19:22

    \if he pledged support for Zuma,\r\ncorruption charges against him would be withdrawn.\ i am not surprised... Why do people keep voting for this corrupt rulling party?

  • dumo.moyo.3 - 2012-09-09 19:57

    Many politicians are power hungry and all they want is to fatten their bank accounts and accumulate as much wealth as they can at the expense of service delivery, Cele is no exception.

  • dan.gleebits.33 - 2012-09-09 20:01

    How much sh*t is SA in when the only difference between the opposing parties for leadership of the ruling party is the depth of criminality and corruption?

  • joubert.joep - 2012-09-09 20:15

    Cele if it was not for Zuma you would not have even worked at Woolworths! You did yourself in - get a life you fraud. ANC's wheels coming off at a massive tempo...

  • tumi.masemene - 2012-09-09 20:20

    E-tolls. Disastrous healthcare. Ailing education system. Tenderpreneurs. Promiscuity in a country ravaged by AIDS. What a legacy you're leaving behind, Zuma!

      sally.lewitt - 2012-09-09 21:23

      Tumi.. Your list is waaay to short, merely the tip of the iceberg!

  • Vince.York - 2012-09-09 20:33

    SO, when in doubt do nothing, or do as many enemies or colleagues as wives? Anything else left to mess up?

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-09 20:35

    Cele and the expensive leases. Pay three times the going rate and get the balance put in your pocket. So clever. Then the landlord will have a better valuation of his property, get a big bond based on that valuation and you can get a share of that too. Clever hey? But don't get caught cause you not going to fool anyone. Cele should be charged not just fired, best of all he will join the opposition in an attempt to get his job back so he can do it all again. The ANC is soft on crime cause they need the criminals to support them in government. And this all at whose expense? The taxpayer and the poor. ANC sis on you.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-09 20:39

    We know that already, lobbying is part of internal democracy of our organisation. Any member has a right to be nominated for any position.......including the Presidency. Goodluck to the candidates who will be nominated come October, let the games begin. I still support you cde Jz cause the other option means more chaos cause zilambile ezintwana zizayo.

  • Tim Elliott - 2012-09-09 20:46

    In the midst of this ANC melt down I am hugely encouraged by the dissenting views of fellow black South Africans...there is hope!!!

  • sam.ntshangase - 2012-09-09 21:14

    There is a big problem in the ANC , people are in top positions for themselves , when they are proven wrong they dont accept they rather go behind for backstabbing, who is tahat leader that will accept mismanagement by certain individuals who dont want to be told, Kgalema wake up, are you sure these people wont turn against you

  • Michael - 2012-09-09 21:52

    What we talk about in the media about ANC have very little to do with the outcome of conference, that man Zuma has got the numbers, people just like him in the ANC,he is going to retain his position, there is no competitor againts him as we speak! If people are banking on Kgalema, i can see dissaster, that man wont stand againts Zuma.

  • Colleen Jacobs - 2012-09-09 21:56

    Amazing what a man can do from his death bed, isn't it?

  • phillipm.seopa - 2012-09-09 22:57

    Mr Zuma your time is up you'll be recalled in few months time.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-09 23:16

      Aaahhhhh........Ntate Ngaka!!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-09-10 06:29

    We all know Zuma is out!!! the Question is who will replace him? Who will they pick??? Someone with a brain IE Tokoyo or someone without Ie Malema and Zuma and Mbeki???

  • mbusi.t.nzimande - 2012-09-10 06:33

    Zuma ousted at the risk of having an ex-con pulling the strings on poor Kgalema's presidential reign,if that's not a testament of the power(or lack of) our democracy,then I don't know what is.How about a complete overhaul of the ANC.

  • emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-09-10 07:09

    what exactly are we dealing with here? all of these politicians are now baring their fangs, and all the dirty laundry is being aired for all the world to see? are our politicians really this stupid? cant they at least TRY to keep bribery and threats a secret from the media? or is it true that there is no such thing as bad publicity?

  • demi.davidson.18 - 2012-09-10 07:26

    Its cockroach time. These cockroaches that have been kicked out of office for serious crimes are crawling into any space they can find in an attempt to be seen/heard. Cockroaches should be crushed as the disease carriers they are. malema, cele, winnie & more. All with tarnished and corrupt backgrounds, still scuttling around for morsels of any kind.

  • my10cent - 2012-09-10 07:47

    Backstabbing will kill eventualy.

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-10 08:59

    Aluta continua - ABZ

  • godrick.mlambo - 2012-09-10 09:01

    It 'll be good to see malema returning to de mainstream national politics....

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 13:00

      If you are serious, then you're an idiot.

  • siyanda.njena - 2012-09-10 09:09

    @juanprinsloo_you are talking nonsens. You seem to forget easily that the same Zuma government you are supporting were in full support of the youth league when they needed to get Thabo out of power. As for Tokyo I support him being Deputy President for the only reason that he is financially stable with a wine farm in cape town, owner Mvelaphanda etc and he certainly not taking on the challenge for enrichment. I think it is high time we allowed people who wont blame apartheid for their personal failures and feel they are justified when they dont perform. Tokyo is not a failure and he has proven that with his businesses. He wont take on a task to fail nor will he take on a task to be labelled corrupt or a thief. After presidency he has his businesses to go back to. Personally he is the best candidate for that office. Whether he comes across as self serving I am certain his business savvy and deliverance mind set is what this country needs.

      jurie.nel.3 - 2012-09-10 13:06

      Siyanda, what you say makes sense. I may not fully agree with you, because I don't see Tokyo's personal powerbase, but what you say has merit. I like Kgalema for the job, because he is a disciplinarian and he is not greedy. And he may just be able to swing enough powerbase. I also like Cyril - but again, I think the powerbase is lacking. Matthews - not my personal choice. Suave and a gentleman, with probably enough powerbase - but I do not trust his word as well as I do Kgalema's.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-10 13:34

      Well how is cde Tokyo fairing in the Human Settlements ministry??......has he shown vigilance in corruption or is it the Adv Thuli doing her upmost to deal with it. Just another ace would be cde Cyril Ramaphosa.....

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-10 11:53

    Not supriced, it is written in the bible that governments wil fight each other, it is happening indeed, so the infighting will not stop until they all becum christian and be ruled by the power of God

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-09-10 11:54

    Not supriced, it is written in the bible that governments wil fight each other, it is happening indeed, so the infighting will not stop until they all becum christian and be ruled by the power of God

  • mzi.yawa - 2012-09-10 11:58

    Koos, your comments sounds like a broken CD !!

  • shengeboy - 2012-09-10 13:14

    you're still bitter ne?

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-09-10 16:55

    Mr Kgalema,wot concerns me wid u becoming President, is ur statement recently as dep,u said about 'firing of education ministes for incompetency' u cud not fire ppl,since u were nly invited to the post.Im concerned that ur 'invitation' to the post of President mite also make u a bit of a 'lame duck' too.