Chabane version of song like lullaby - judge

2011-09-12 16:07

Johannesburg - The song "shoot the boer" sounds like a "lullaby" when sung by Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane," Judge Collin Lamont said on Monday.

This was in contrast to the way ANC Youth League president Julius Malema sang it, Lamont said in judgment on a hate speech case against Malema.

"[The words were] put to music by Collins Chabane but sound different to the way Malema sang it," said Lamont.

"The effect is to produce clip call and clip response," he said of Malema's delivery.

He described Chabane's version as "a gentle hymn".

At a recent National Union of Metalworkers of SA strike, workers were heard singing an adaptation of it.

Lamont said it was not just the words of a song which could constitute hate speech but also accompanying gestures.

On video footage presented to the court, Lamont said Malema could be clearly seen holding his fingers at an angle, like a gun.

The judge complained about the weapons carried into court during Malema's trial.

AfriForum Youth, which is part of the rights lobby group AfriForum, opened a civil case against Malema in the Equality Court after he sang the words "dubhula ibhunu", which translate to "shoot the boer".

It believed the words were threatening to minorities and a threat to the safety of Afrikaners and farmers and that the phrase was hate speech.

  • Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:10

    Exactly. Malema is rallying up the troups when he sings that song. And they are surely acting out his commands already. It may just get worse!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:21

      The comrades will fall in

      Michael007 - 2011-09-12 16:27

      Oh it will get worse! This is only the beginning! Prepare for a full-scale revolution! A new blood river will flow very SOON!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:34

      Civil War in the making my friend

      Bambie - 2011-09-12 16:48

      Very true..have a look at this...

      Kudubul - 2011-09-12 16:53

      @ Vullis it doesn,t matter we done it before we will do it again.Just remember in war there is no winner only lost off live.

      Cogito - 2011-09-12 18:10

      I will not for one second defend or sympathise with some of the foul & discriminatory language from Africans & African political leaders in particular. But what i will acknowledge based on the indisputable tendecies from the White community of is that the majority are genuinely racist & have a superiority complex towards Africans. Bear in mind that what Mugabe & Zanu did in Zim, the ANC under whoever can accomplish here as well & you will be sore victims. None of you want that to happen but the kind of attitude displayed here, & the 'denial' that generations of White settlers up to now & beyond did not assume their financial&social standing due to oppression of the Africans, makes me wish those kind of consequences upon you as well. Stop hiding under dubious pseudonyms & hurling 'insults' via isolated comments in various articles. Setup a dedicated website where you can all have a co-ordinated platform to express your views in a specific medium so that black South Africans & the world at large can see & read for themselves how you truly feel about black people. On my part I have for the last four years been gathering your comments to certain black-white inclined articles(on this website&most others). Most of my white collegues are quite astonished when they've been exposed to the thinking of their brothers&sisters. Give yourself a period of just 3 months where you merely read an article & go over the comments. You will see how disimilar you are to Malema & Tere Blanch!

  • MSGRule - 2011-09-12 16:18

    Yes he is using it as a call for uprising. Against what I wonder. What does he see happening. Running and destroying the streets.

      Michael007 - 2011-09-12 16:30

      No MSGRule, he is rallying the masses to murder every single white person in this country. This is their ultimate goal!

      call a spade - 2011-09-12 16:54

      Michael007 Do not be so negative. Our arms are not tied. By the way waht is your Afriforum mmembership numbern or r you one of those who only talk?

  • AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:18

    Doesnt matter what it sounds like, its still racism and is now illegal!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:21

      Tell that to Darren Scott

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-12 16:25

      @Vullis - Darren Scott took the blame and resigned, unlike your useless comrades

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:26

      @Vullis, im no fan of Darren Scott, He made his bed so he must lie in it. But dont come on my post with crap like this, its about a song that condones the shooting of another human, Rather take your uneducated racist black head to a shebeen, get drunk and let someone stab you, You racist maggot!

      Neil - 2011-09-12 16:27

      @Vullis: You imbecile, is Darren Scott Rallying "troops" with his statement? I think not.. BTW, the troop description should give you an idea of how I see the ANCYL.

      Tokkel Loshi - 2011-09-12 16:28

      @Vullis Tell malebes to resign like scott did !

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:28

      @Wayne and that makes it A-okay??

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 16:30

      @Vullis, I'll say it again. Darren resigned and apologised. Jellybean will wave his fat fist and spit into the mic...

      Point Blank - 2011-09-12 16:31

      hahahahaha!!! @Vullis, try us!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:35

      Vullis we all know that you are a white racist who loves pouring petrol on the fire. You are just way out of your league, but keep trying!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:39

      Pun intended: how much more evidence is needed? "White people get away with murder...." Bees Roux - lol "White people can say and do what they want...." Darren Scott - lol Eish, what do i call my fair skinned coloured buddy now? We used to call him boere

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:41

      @Anti - smooches for you.

      DW - 2011-09-12 16:44

      The judge is right. You only need to listen to the rest of Malema's utterances to put this in context. He calls whites criminals. He says there will be a war against whites. He spews hatred at whites whenever he can. And then tries to pretend that the song is "just a song". Well, at last, someone with some real authority has told him to stop it.

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:46

      @Neil. Shame, i will pray for you.

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:47

      @vullis not to worry,Karma has a way of sorting out life's little mistakes, The fact you condone such a song will come back to you or your offspring, You declared it so you suffer the consequence, simple, no skin off my nose, But stop parading around like a Black dude when in fact you are white, it doesn't help the confused people who will generalize and say all blacks are racist!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:55

      He is as white as a sheeeet lol his words gave him away, Troll lol

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 17:00

      @Wayne, the comb glides through my hair like a silk cloth.... You are clearly Afrikaans "proof" - i.e. prove?

      richie41 - 2011-09-12 17:10

      @Neil, You imbecile, is Darren Scott Rallying "troops" with his statement? I think not.. I think I see a lot of your 'troops' on here doing their fair share of rallying

  • avoomu - 2011-09-12 16:19

    Can you imagine the I.R.A singing "kill the Pommie" or the Mexicans singing "kill the Yankie". The fact that the people singing "kill the farmer, kill the afrikaner" is of lower intelligence, is irrelevant, they spread hatred and are responsible for the murder of farmers.

      richie41 - 2011-09-12 17:16

      And I'm supposed to think that you are of a higher intelligence, or should that be 'is of higher intelligence' Who says they are of a lower intelligence, they have a different vision for the future to you, that's all.

  • Oukoos - 2011-09-12 16:19

    Ek sien. As ek "Maak swartes dood" sing op die wysie van Stille Nag,is dit in orde? Ek dink nie so nie. Dit is steeds haatspraak en rassisties.

  • N - 2011-09-12 16:19

    Okay, so as long as whites tell blacks (and vice versa) they bloody hate them in a soothing voice, all is well in SA...

  • Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:21

    This is such a beautiful song, don't get what the fuss is all about.

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:22

      Vullis jou koppie raas man!

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-12 16:26

      @Vullis - Wanna be a blackie

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 16:29

      @Wayne - what you mean wanna be blackie? That is soooooo racist, scumbag!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:29

      Go to hell you racist maggot!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:36

      Yeh read all his posts he is white trash!

      daaidoos - 2011-09-12 16:37

      Only in africa you vullis, only in africa

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:42

      Vullis - Just grow up . Please you are being boring beyond belief!

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-12 16:51

      Well that about sums up your existence, ok you can take the trophy for the biggest looser today, Dont mock prayer my friend, you have just declared yourself a enemy of the force that protects, lol you go boy!

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-12 16:52

      @Vullis - Clearly you are white trailer trash

      adolfie - 2011-09-12 17:03

      @ Vullis My ma sĂȘ ek mag nie met jou praat nie want jy eet snot!!!!!!!!!!!

      Vullis - 2011-09-12 17:03

      Riddle me this The dirt is not black, it is not white and it is not brown. I comes from the east but settles in the west. What is it?

      Totman - 2011-09-12 17:56

      O. That's easy Vullis. It is the Cape's South-Easter wind blowing!!!!!! You describe our smoke and fog nicely.LOL!

  • EG - 2011-09-12 16:22

    Just keep one thing in mind- as much as it is inciting violence from Malema's supporters, it is also "warning" (in quotation marks because it will be preceived as such) right-wingers to "prepare". And if it is repeated enough action might be taken by right-wingers to "prepare" themselves... Some people in this country have more weapons training and resources than others. And others are more densely grouped together in small areas than others. It would be good common sense to be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-12 16:30

      I dont know about right-wingers. but all right-minded people need to prepare to defend themselves against Malemas thug army. We all need to relocate to the Cape for the final stand-off.

      EG - 2011-09-12 16:37

      No, just put some milk stout and cider in their way and you will disarm them in seconds.

      Ek_Ruik_Rot - 2011-09-12 16:43

      And KFC for distraction..

  • Leg634 - 2011-09-12 16:26

    So when Chabane sings it, it does not constitute hate speech but if it's JUJU the it constitute hate speech? This is hupocricy at it's best...

      Adriaan - 2011-09-12 16:45

      Its spelled hypocrisy: .... and it looks like they are still trying to protect the singing of the song. It is not the way the song is sung, it is the singing of the song, its the lyrics that are labelled "hate speech". What a circus.........

      YES - 2011-09-12 17:00

      This is precisely why the judgment is bad and is reflective of the kind of judges we have on the bench today - they look at issues with racially tainted eyes and the sooner our courts are exorcised off racism the better.

  • aluwanirootz - 2011-09-12 16:26

    this is now nosense!! first u dnt understand the laguange and u r telling me that u can make such judgements??? dubula means shoot...regardless of the hymn!!! what exactly are you saying? if julius change his hymn his singing of the song could be acceptable???nosense. Mr judge as long as you dnt understand the laguange you will never understand the full meaning the song! i'm sorry direct translation doesnt work!

  • BryanJhb - 2011-09-12 16:28

    I am at a loss! How on Earth is it possible and permissable to carry weapons into Court?

      Bill - 2011-09-12 16:35

      A very good question...!

      Michael007 - 2011-09-12 16:48

      Agree, never in the history of SA has this ever been allowed. So why is Malema allowed? All I can say is prepare people because there is going to be a blood river like never before!

  • Slapper - 2011-09-12 16:31

    There are also certain Lullabies that are banned as inappropriate, but I doubt that anyone would class :Shoot the Boer" as a Lullaby. Whatever the case, in law it is banned, but as usual, the ANC and ANCYL take no notice of the Law when it suits them.

  • Magnum - 2011-09-12 16:40


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