Porn or not: Film board to hear Spear defence

2012-05-22 17:45

Johannesburg - City Press and the Goodman Gallery will on Tuesday make submissions to the Film and Publication Board (FPB) why Brett Murray’s painting The Spear should not be classified as pornography.

The FPB announced this afternoon that it has "acceded" to a request by City Press and the gallery to be heard before the body rules on whether the painting should be classified or not.

If the painting is classified as pornography by the board, it may only be exhibited in adult shops and the image of the painting would have to be removed from the City Press website.

The FPB yesterday "deployed a team of five classifiers to view and classify the much publicised The Spear artwork by Brett Murray".

The painting was defaced by two men this afternoon, who are currently in custody at the Rosebank police station.

The FPB says: "The above visit and consideration was made in light of complaints received from members of the public via written correspondence, telephone and social media.

"The classifiers are engaged in a process to determine the appropriate classification for the artwork in line with the Film and Publications Act and Section 1 of this Act which includes paintings in the definition of publications covered under the Act.

"A classification decision has at this stage not been reached."

After being made aware of the inspection to the gallery through media reports, lawyers representing City Press and the Goodman Gallery wrote to the FPB, requesting an opportunity to make representations to the board.

The board will hear these representations at its office at 18:00 tonight.

"The Film and Publication Board encourages public engagement and participation and it is in this context that the above requests have been agreed to.

"Once the representations have been made and the Classification Committee dealing with this matter has finalised its deliberations, the outcomes will be made public," a statement by the FPB reads.

  • Christopher - 2012-05-22 17:55

    Geezzz..who cares, its over. The internet is keeping it!

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-22 18:04

      Its not over until the perpetrators are punished.

      Anthony - 2012-05-22 18:17

      @tsotsi yes you right how can they destroy that painting, they must be punished to the full extent of the law. And that other idiot who spray painted that wall him aswell.

      Pieter - 2012-05-22 18:21

      @Tsotsi-Bay - Yes, I agree So who are the perpetrators? The question this Zuma or a black man. If this is so, then the ANC might have a point. Let's look at the evidence... Who said it is Zuma? Did the painter say so? No!!! Did Zuma say he posed for the painting? No!!! Who said it is a black man? Did the painter say so? No!!! Can you see from the painting that it is a black man? No!!! Why not? Because the main color of the person is yellow, not black. The shadows are black but all people's shadows are black. Shadows do not come in white even for white people. So, why does it offend black people if it 1. cannot positively be identified as mr. Zuma? 2. cannot positively be identified as a black man? Furthermore...the face of the person in the portrait reflects shows yellow. Black people's faces do not reflect light as black absorbs light. So, therefore, this must be a white or Asian person. The final question...who are the perpetrators?

      Pieter - 2012-05-22 18:25

      @Tamaranui...Can you please explain to the people how you came to the conclusion that it is Zuma in the painting and that it is racist against blacks.

      Dee - 2012-05-22 18:29

      Tamaruani - speaking of Mr Molotov problem solver and democratic appreciation in one post? Hold yourself to a higher standard please. As an apparent non-Art/parody/satire appreciator - what is your take on e.g. Ayanda Mabulu's "Ngcono ihlwempu kunesibhanxo sesityebi ". Google if you are not familiar with this artists work.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 18:29

      interesting times ahead. very interesting. justice vs the will of the entire government.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-22 18:33

      @Just_my2cents your stupidity goes beyond your username.

      Pieter - 2012-05-22 18:35

      @Tsotsi-Baby Got no answer hey when confronted by a superior mind?

      Grant - 2012-05-22 18:37

      @Tsotsi - DAMAGE is not always a bad thing. When a political party is destroying a country, damage to that party is a good thing, as it helps bring them down! So any damage to Zuma and his comrades is welcome!

      Pieter - 2012-05-22 18:40

      @Tsotsi-Baby. How about an answer or is sarcasm all you can muster?

      Jack - 2012-05-22 18:41

      @ Tsotsi-Baby very sad of you have nothing else to do? I can only conclude that you have no life outside the internet, hence use this medium as your only interaction with the outside world. A word of advice...leave your PC, go out and meet some real people. It's not healthy what your doing. Trolling is so very sad.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-22 18:52

      @Justmy2cents i am fully inclined to call you a pillock @Jack what is a troll?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 18:54

      Dee, With Democracy comes responsibility. Now we are educated enough to realize this does not help break down barriers between cultures instead it creates division. Why not channel these efforts in a progressive manner............WHY.....Is there continuous disparaging of Blacks. Stop these silly games . Just transform into the society we hope to be ...At this rate it will never eventuate.

      Pieter - 2012-05-22 19:38

      @Tsotsi-Baby You can call me what you want as long as you answer the questions. Why do you say it is Zuma and how can you see that he is black? I know they tried to change the painting colors to black today. Was it you who could not answer my questions?

      Schmee - 2012-05-23 08:11

      I still don't get it. When did Zuma pose for the painting? And if he didn't pose for the painting then are we going to classify everything that shows private parts as pornographic? Good luck with that.

  • ccpvandam - 2012-05-22 18:00

    How can it be considered as porn, nude pictures of hunters were painted on the cave walls, the Greeks had naked statues in all over their monuments and one of the most famous statues, David in Florence. What about Manneken pis, in Brussels - LOL??

      Vusi - 2012-05-22 18:07

      This is South Africa

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-05-22 18:11

      Shame the poor stupid masses do not understand that nudity in art has been in the world for centuries. Poor ignorant souls want to now call it porn. LOL!!!!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 18:17

      @ Stewart, There's your problem , You live under this impression we are all uneducated. Lesson mate, You are seriously deluded.

      Gustav - 2012-05-22 18:38

      Are they going to reclassify all the art hanging in our museums as well?

      Grant - 2012-05-22 18:41

      @Tamaranui - read Stewart's comment: "the poor stupid masses do not understand" Just because there are a good few well educated and sensible people out there, does not mean that the MAJORITY (masses) are not uneducated and poor, following like sheep...

      melania.nel - 2012-05-22 18:51

      Tamaranui and Vusi, please comment on the art from Ayanda Mabula. If naked zumas make you mad, you will fume over this one. For you racist pervs out there there is also one of eugene. Nobody shouted high treason and nobody will because we are educated enough to know what art and freedom is. Get a life please.

      Koos - 2012-05-23 01:02

      30% passrate does not make you educated.

  • Rabble-Rouser - 2012-05-22 18:02

    PORN???? If it classified as porn then this society has got a big problem. Imagine if complaints start flooding in about all the statues, art work and any thing else that's slightly objectionable. This country will then have to start living like the Taliban.

      Grant - 2012-05-22 18:42

      No more underwear ads!!! ...and the panties section in Woolworths is gonna have to be enclosed behind black glass and a steel gate! Ha ha ha

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-05-22 19:14

      I dont know why the fuss, how many times do we see b/males standing next to the road and pee. It is a cultural painting. Africa.

  • Vusi - 2012-05-22 18:06

    Good, deal with them. I said it before that this guy is a porn star disguising as an artist

      Rabble-Rouser - 2012-05-22 18:11

      I take it that you are refering to Zuma as being the porn star. After all he is the one posing with his appendage dangling out.

      Adam - 2012-05-22 18:11

      Vusi you are so right, 100%, I dont like zumer as well.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-22 18:13

      Thumbs up comrade

      ccpvandam - 2012-05-22 18:14

      Hello Vusi - by the way the pictures on the cave walls are in South Africa and Africa, look at your own history, there is a difference between art and porn. Also may I add this is not about race or colour, its all about perceptions, isn't it?. Really the question should be asked is why dis the artist have this perception?? If you behave in a certain way, you will be spoken about in a certain way, so maybe that's where it has all gone wrong and where the change needs to take place?? Why does no one speak badly of Mr Mandela, simple, he has earned the respect of millions...

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-22 18:20

      Vusi, you are a stupid idiot!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 18:26

      heheheehehe, Vuzi He probably didn't have a small enough brush to get his image on canvas.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 18:28

      what if anything do you think will happen to the perps? in the left hand side justice and on the right the weight of public opinion. me thinks this artist has unlocked more then mr zumas nut sack.

  • Diana - 2012-05-22 18:10

    If this painting is to be classified as porn then they will have to ban all the items of fine art coming from ancient times because they contain even more explicit nudity than the famous Spear. What a nonsense!

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-22 18:16

      BIG DIFFERENCE=Khoisan people were artists and this Murray is a pervert. #Power to the people

      Diana - 2012-05-22 18:21

      @Tsotsi: actually i was talking about greeks romans and great artists of Renaissance

      Shirley - 2012-05-22 18:29

      Tsosti baby-so you knew the khoisan personally? I suppose Michael Angelo,De Vinci,etc were perverts too? Before you deliver your diagnosos on perversion-please show proof of your Phsycology degree. You need to get a clue about art too!!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 18:30

      Now that is Art, If you are under the impression that Murray is in the league of Rennaisance Artist......I think this says it all. Murray is just another detracting fool indulging his prejudices through so-called Art. He could not even think of an original pose , he borrowed Lenin's'. These childish games is enough already. Seems there's one every week, all this nonsense is hindering our progress.

      Grant - 2012-05-22 18:46

      No... Zuma, the ANC and all the sheep following them are hindering our progress...

      Mike - 2012-05-22 18:49

      The artist has become world famous through this, well done you deserve it.

      Diana - 2012-05-22 18:55

      Tamaruni all your big statements are great but maybe its not worthy at all to waste you time and knowledge on such an illiterate person as myself who even doesnt know how numerous statues of Lenin look like?

  • Nawaal Isaacs - 2012-05-22 18:11

    is this what this country is being reduced to...such utter stupidity! Wow one can see an illiterate is running it

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-05-22 19:18

      They are so stupid. If they dont go on about it, say 20000 people would know of it and that is that. With all this wangle, the hole world saw it now and the what the artist want to achieve, well he got a bonus

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-05-22 18:11

    This just get's more ridiculous by the second.....

  • Diana - 2012-05-22 18:15

    Why to watch last comic standing on TV? We have the one - big fat with glasses sliding down his nose all the time.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-05-22 18:20

      The way he readjusts his glasses reminds me so much of P W Botha.

      Diana - 2012-05-22 18:32

      @Stewart Croucamp I cant judge Botha for a simple reason of not living in the country at the time and being too small to understand anything of politics but doubt that he ever gave so many reasons to laugh at him.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-22 18:38

      JZ = Pieter Bitter Willem ET Botha.............Come on now, Even that is a stretch. JZ= A Democratically elected President in a fully functional Democracy. PWB= A Dictator in an Apartheid based Regime, If you don't understand that then let's try thinking of him as the fuhrer in a Nazi state. Google it .....The facts of History

      Diana - 2012-05-22 18:50

      @Tamaruni Google of course is a great sourse of information but if you learn about life only from internet and never switch on a little button in your brain called common sense i can feel only sorry for you. P.S. Thanks for a statement about JZ being "democratically elected president...etc. Really made me laugh off my head.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-22 19:03

      Tamaranui : Democratically elected? As far as I can remember, there were only 4000 people at Polokwane, and most of them seemed to have been there just for the party. Fully functional democracy? Arrogance = democracy? Nepotism = democracy? Corruption = democracy ? ANC?

  • Shirley - 2012-05-22 18:16

    Porn????? There are nude paintings on ceileings in churches. One of the most famous statues ever,that of "David" is nude! A black artist did a painting a while ago,also depicting Zumas genitals-was that racist???? If they want to catorgorise this as porn then all text books for art students must be removed,as some of the most famous paintings in the world are nudes! This is such an over the top reaction to a really "small" article!!!!!

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-05-22 18:17

    Everyone knows that Zuma's speeches are written for him by his comrades. He can't even read them properly. The title of Porn Star suites him well.

  • Frans - 2012-05-22 18:22

    Look at it this way - should it be declared as porn, JZ can put 'pornstar' on his CV for his next job application.

  • Sonja - 2012-05-22 18:22

    G E T .... A ....L I F E !!!!

  • Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 18:25

    when will this story die out? And to declare it as porn is ridiculous. There are naked chubby white babies on the ceiling of the louvre museum, i believe. Let's just put this all behind us and move on, hanging junk and all.

      Jason - 2012-05-22 18:27

      incredible change of heart. perhaps the porn title scared you off. life is about to become interesting. on the one hand you have ppl vandalising private property and on the other you will have the presidents support of their actions. what a outcome will be just?

      Pixie86 - 2012-05-22 18:59

      no change of heart jason. None at all. There's a difference here. The chubby white babies are a figment of an artist's imagination not a man i can point to. as is the case with David's statue. However, i see no need to classify it as porn. Plus, you were busy looking for fraud, crime and what have you on the man's junk. I'm just sick of the story. It has no moral.

  • Margaux - 2012-05-22 18:26

    time to trash the city streets and burn tyres. blame it on apartheid blah blah blah. yaaaaaaaaaaaawn

  • zirkj - 2012-05-22 18:28

    I believe the painting has been sold before all this drama. Wonder who bought it and if he/she will get a refund?

  • Azande - 2012-05-22 18:33

    So the show continues. The news would read even nicer if we hear the goodman gallery building has caught fire. The cause of the fire is unknown. Then these idiots will know this is South Africa not some American or EU country. ase mo states hier so, o kae molau.

  • John - 2012-05-22 18:34

    Sorry, porn usually gives you a stiffy. Nothing going on with this painting.

  • zirkj - 2012-05-22 18:36

    I believe the painting has been sold before all this drama. Wonder if he/she will be refunded?

  • Pieter - 2012-05-22 18:37

    @Tsotsi-Baby. How about an answer or is sarcasm all you can muster?

  • Benediction Letlhogile - 2012-05-22 18:50

    If it is considered as \porn\, will that means Mr.President would be considered \a pornstar\?

  • Benediction Letlhogile - 2012-05-22 18:50

    If it is considered as \porn\, will that means Mr.President would be considered \a pornstar\?

  • Joseph - 2012-05-22 19:21

    I for one am not sorry about President Zuma's saga because all what is happening is what he has sown. everyone should know that you reap what you have sown, and for argument sake who said that was Zuma because that's a painting not a picture taken by a camera which one would say it was Zuma. Malema was singing the shower men son, clowns and poets are also using vulgar/ insults when praising Him, why then artist, because that's how they express their feelings about how they feel about anything that has come to mind at that moment. Its the feeling that no one can stop and for that matter its their freedom of expression which is in our constitution. so its his democratic right, is it because he is white? come maqabane don't be like this. keep this in mind, that you are now tasting the bitter cup of your own medics. This is a democratic state.

  • Zethu Malobola Gladile - 2012-05-22 19:26

    clearly white ppl r rejoicing as they never wanted us black ppl not to lead this country. REALITY CHECK»»WE HERE TO STAY!!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-22 19:57

      Zethu : Stop dreaming in black and white. Black people are not leading this country. Arrogant, Nepotistic and Corrupt fools are. And they are not leading us anywhere. They merely surrendered to gravity.

  • nkululeko.gcwensa - 2012-05-22 22:20

    @Just_my2cents .....stupid idiot

  • Olusunne - 2012-05-22 22:47

    pure pornography

  • Faizie - 2012-05-23 07:45

    Ha porn or not?? Try Angry Creampie . The FPB controls nothing on the internet

  • Jacques - 2012-05-23 08:42

    Porn? Have you seen the thing painting? There is no one in the world that would jack off to that thing. There are more people who find trees sexy (google dandrophealiacs) and therefore if this is porn, so sould trees be. I mean COME ON. Welcome back censorship, how I have not missed thee.

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