Clerics warn Zuma of lost moral compass

2012-12-11 08:40

Johannesburg - Religious leaders have written to President Jacob Zuma, warning that the public is concerned that South Africa has lost its moral compass, it was reported on Tuesday.

The Star reported that, in the letter, the clerics expressed the view that "our democracy can be significantly improved".

The letter was signed by Archbishop Thabo Makgoba of Church Leaders Consultation, Bishop Joe Seoka of the SA Council of Churches, Rev Moss Ntla of the Evangelical Alliance of SA, and Rev Edwin Arrison of Kairos Southern Africa.

"They [South Africans] yearn for a change from an increasingly corrupt political, business and societal culture to one that is accountable to the people," the clerics wrote.

Copies were sent to political and economic leaders, including Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille.

The presidency confirmed that Zuma had seen the letter.

Ahead of the ANC’s elective conference in Mangaung, the clerics said the public was not interested in "a superficial change of one self-serving political leader for another, or one political party for another".

Many of the church people prayed for Zille because she sought to help South Africa onto a "more healthy footing", the newspaper reported.

  • ponkie.diel.9 - 2012-12-11 08:47

    At this stage SA is so lost a "compas" is inadequate, SA needs a moral GPS!

      IcemanGP - 2012-12-11 09:00

      I use a GPS, and I still get lost. Cause it keeps on having to re-cal-cu-lating.

      patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-12-11 09:08

      And just because Zuma has not been useless enough, it appears that he will be leading us for another very expensive five years! Out of 50 million people, is this really the best we have?

      andre.kuhn.583 - 2012-12-11 09:17

      Zuma gives a s**t about moral standards. He only believes in his ancestors and thus can never be a true democrate.

      paul.coetzee1 - 2012-12-11 09:26

      The compass was not lost. It was stolen.

      jesibelle.krueger - 2012-12-11 09:37

      The churches/clerics are warning Zuma/ANC, the banks are warning Zuma/ANC, the business community are warning Zuma/ANC, the international community are warning Zuma/ANC.., jet still they refuse to listen... The reason for no one being as deaf as the one who refuses to listen..? STUPIDITY, or, IGNORANCE, or, INCOMPETENCE, or, IMMATURITY, or, SPITE, or, INSANITY, or.., wait I know - ALL OF THE ABOVE..! THE ANC = THE MOST USELESS GOVERNMENT ON EARTH..! I have had enough of my country being destroyed by the grossly inept - it is time to take real action, I say.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-12-11 09:38

      South Africas moral com[ass has been gone for years. Since apartheid was demolished and anc took over that compass was banished. It is now a free for all self enriching state with crime the norm and those who dare to try and take a stand are punished. Sureley the "ancestors" cant be happy with this???

      BulletProof. - 2012-12-11 09:50

      He lost is moral compass????? How somebody can lose something he never had?

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-11 09:54

      Not so BulletProof. The man’s moral compass only works when woman enter the room.

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-11 10:08

      Next news headline will be "Zuma has realised the moral compass has been misplaced. Tender for procurement of new compass awarded to the Ratanang Family Trust."

      marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-12-11 10:36

      Zuma is the 'leader of the pack' who has lost his moral compass!! He probably ignored the letter or did not understand it!

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 10:42

      Shirley, not so fast... To say the current govenrment has lost its moral compass is one thing(and you'll be correct), but to then loose yourself in that euphoria and imply that the compass was firmly intact during the apartheid years, cannot go unchallenged. At the risk of sounding preachy, there was absolutely nothing moral about apartheid, mind you, enthusiastically aided and supported by the church, in condemning & relegating a people to sub-humanity. It shows, once more, lyk atheist attempts to show further down, that it is a grave mistake to think that religion has a monopoly on morals, no more so than can be invariably observed in their actions...

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-12-11 11:33

      Hoekom jou fantasie,jou skuilnaam maak.

      jesibelle.krueger - 2012-12-11 13:12

      @jaguarpaw.ndinisa.., The reality is: it is becoming more evident everyday that Apartheid was fully justified. In fact, if the ANC proceeds with its "Second Transition" it is totally rejecting the negotiated settlement of pre-1994. The ANC will then hand a full mandate to return to pre-1992 and as such its status as a terrorist organisation and the associated war.

      mart.botha - 2012-12-11 13:35

      The moral compasses of leaders on this continent have by and large been destroyed by the magnetism of self enrichment at the direct expense of those they swear to serve. They will be called to answer when the time for small talking is over !

      mindlo.nyambose - 2012-12-11 13:52

      its you who is lost and to clerics I find it very strange that they pray for Zille who they claim seems to be on right path. I thought we should pay for sinners to repent not the saints!

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 15:29

      No Jesibelle, you need to stay with me a bit here. Perhaps comparatively speaking, my peoples material welfare was a bit better, lets say. But that is not the issue. That same material welfare could have been delivered without the systematic degrading an entire group of people to a life of subjugation. The social engineering of an entire country could possibly rank amoungst the harshest in the world, IMHO. To therefore belittle that suffering by suggesting such a system was justified goes against morals, ethics and justice. Having said that, it doesn?t begin to say anything about the current lot, fists stuck in the cookie jar unable to take them out. A quote by Mandela comes to mind, he could so easily have spoken about this lot: ?The grave plight of the people compels them to resist to the death the stinking policies of the gangsters that rule our country." The rest of your post went over my head, never been one for conspiracy theori...

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 20:19

      Alicia, your post is nonsensical, and to borrow from you, quite painful.. My choice of avatar, is painstakinkly irrelevant to what Ive posted. Where you heading with that quote, or its purpose, is mindboggling. My views have no connection to the quote, if you honest. Perhaps what you should have done is to question my choice of avatar, rather then leap into the abyss, simply by reading too much into an avatar...

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-12-12 00:01

      @ jaguarpaw.ndinisa Your avatar and you are one. Don't use an avatar that does not represent for you what you wish it should not. The person in real life reflected by your avatar was a self-confessed executioner. One of the worst examples of what humanity can sometimes thow up. He in fact was use by the communists because of his cold blooded nature. All there on record. Now why would anybody decide to use his image as an avater unless there is the same destrucitve and anti-living trends present? Hmmmm?

  • typersa.baddy - 2012-12-11 08:49

    Don't send him a letter. He can't read!! Go tell him in person and then somme perform an excorcism while you are there!!

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-11 09:23

      But Mohlante said just the other day Zuma is an excellent leader :-d

      makenawn - 2012-12-11 09:31

      @kortbroek.duplessis ,boet this is same book hard cover and soft cover

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-11 09:53

      Is there a word for "moral" in anc-speak?

  • IcemanGP - 2012-12-11 08:49

    The moral compass was put out to tender and sold. The cANCer will never find it again. And before all you Zille bashers start commenting, use your computer to research how Zille helped the people against apartheid.

  • lee.brand.73 - 2012-12-11 08:53

    It has not been lost. Lost suggests an ommision or oversight. The compass has been destroyed, stood on, pi%§ed on and driven over with a big black Merc.

  • Desilusionada - 2012-12-11 08:54

    As if he can afford to be concerned about that. He has waaay too much other and more important things weighing on his shoulders. Planning another wedding Managing his tender grant priority list Deciding about the bath taps in the Nkandla main bedroom The décor in the 2nd lift Should he have bully-beef or beans in the bunker Buying a new pair of tekkies Getting the leopard skin dry cleaned What colour scheme to wear at Mangaung Should he be 15 or 25 minutes late at the main meeting Stop putting pressure on the man!.....

  • amy.henkeman - 2012-12-11 08:55

    Finally, someone with power saying EXACTLY what the educated general public have been saying for months now - if not years! DA is the way forward.

  • tc.convulvulous - 2012-12-11 08:55

    "Moral Compass" Do not use such big words. JZ may not understand. It may be confused with the 'spear'.

  • themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 08:57

    Zuma is moral decay personified. He deserves to hear this truth repeatedly, regardless of what the equally tainted around him - all 4500 of them that will be in Mangaung - tell him before imposing him on over 50 million of the rest of South Africans and claim he was "elected by the people of SA"

      fcint - 2012-12-11 12:07

      Themba has hit the nail on the head. South Africa needs to have a mass civil society protest movement driven by mobile technology because most South Africans are not connected online but they do have mobile phones. Is there anyone out there with the techie knowledge to help drive this thing?

  • tj.maseko3 - 2012-12-11 08:59

    People are crying about promotion at work place, these bishops their get From heaven now They fight 4 political leadership wow

      asdhasgd - 2012-12-11 09:39

      I have no idea wtf you just said. Honestly.

      mastersvoice - 2012-12-11 09:51

      Jacob? Is that you?

      azukani - 2012-12-11 10:50

      LOL...just what I needed this morning...confusion.

  • eland.snitbul - 2012-12-11 09:00

    And yet you all still vote for him... One day, people will look back and ask how stupid must the majority of South Africa have been to let this fool drag it down... He is breaking promises left right and center and all the sheeple are doing is following and believing him blindly.. it's been 18 years.. wake up and smell the coffee.

  • peter.j.cock - 2012-12-11 09:00

    Do you think Zuma will take heed of what "clerics" say ? especially when his is going to have his own sangomo's / witch doctors in parliament who will throw the bones for him to tell him how to rape the country the easiest way.?

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-12-11 09:06

    This is a big issue, but if we have artists who draw naked picture of the president and many people dont see nothing wrong with that, then we have a problem, also we have trafic cops who demand bribery from motorists everyday, politicians who start companies for the purpose of tenders which are illegaly awarded and we have bishops who see nothing wrong in defending people who killed police man with pangas at Marikana, my question is why isthis letter being address to the president, what must he do?

      tasmee.hylkema - 2012-12-11 23:45

      He is responsible for overseeing government, who in turn are responsible for overseeing all of the issues you raise in your comment. What should he do? Appoint competent people in his government, fire those that are corrupt, including facing his own criminal charges in a court. That will change the political landscape for the country as well as give you a safe and fair environment to live and work in.

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-12-11 09:06

    Telling showerhead that SA has lost its moral compass is a bit like telling Lance Armstrong that someone in the pelaton is chewing Disprins, and expecting him to do something about it.

  • zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-11 09:07

    Moral compass.......These Clerics remind me of one of my favourite tunes' Sober by Tool..........

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 09:34

      I'm sure heathens/atheists are not any better than the people involved in your quotes. No specific groups of persons does not have delinquents. Even Jesus' disciples denied him, hacked off a man's ear and sold him for a few shilllings. I don't see your point

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 09:58

      Die Groot Krokodil, you say I cannot be trusted. Did I say I want to be trusted by you? I don't think so. Frankly, I don't need you or your boyfriend the atheist to trust me. The atheist, we read about the dastardly deeds of ungodly people on this site ad nauseam every second. What do you need links for?

      tugwana.gwalagwala - 2012-12-11 09:59 seem so carried away in your self made illusions. It makes you feel better I suppose. Take this, there are real pastors and fake ones. Unfortunately there's no body that regulates on who can be a pastor or who can't. Even you so called atheits you have fake ones who snoop around the bible and online news' articles looking for something to use in order to discredit Christ's followers to justify your own concocted illusions.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 10:18

      Atheist, stop obsessing about atheists masquerading as christians neh.

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 10:26

      Themba, lets try and look for that point together then, shall we? When you say "No specific groups of persons does not have delinquents" you are absolutely spot on. The difference, however, is that religion provides a safe haven for such delinquents. In fact, delinquents can merely page through their respective religious texts, to finds verses justifying their actions. It is when verses such as Numbers 5:11-31, for example, appear in religious texts, that all sorts of horrors become permissible... Tugwana, that is another conundrum invariably thrown up by religion. Without an objective yardstick, how do you tell the true ones from the charlatans? Especially if the so called charlatan's justifications are allegorically hidden within the pages of his holy book?

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 10:47

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa, if you know your Bible, you must be able to tell charlatans from the real McCoy, even those who try to justfy their actions using their Bible. Even the Bible tells us to be wary of charlatans calling themselves by the Name of the Lord.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-11 11:41

      I am a happy Atheist...............

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 11:56

      Groot Krokodil, for a lecturer, you sure reason like a child

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-12-11 12:16

      Dopnt try and make one wrong right by changing the subject to another wrong! You dont have to be a religious fanatic to know the difference between wrong and right-theft of money that doesnt belong to you,rape,greed!!!!!!!

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 12:55

      Funny Themba, because thats what they all claim, true ones, charlatans, suicide bombers, mass murderers, oppresors of women, the whole lot, all firmly based on the "correct" reading of their holy books...Mind you, the true bible readers, for instance, are so correct in their reading, that they have splintered into in excess of 30k flavours. Nah Themba, a mere "know your bible" wave away betrays the seriousness of the splinter groups alluded to....

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 13:07

      Wllliam, human beings are born without a culture. Observe a newborn from day one and see how s/he destroys, eats and drinks anything and everything, good or bad. Someone needs to teach human beings what is good and what is bad. The conscience is merely there to serve as a guide. That is why any civilised human society must have laws. It is from those laws that we inherit morality. Most of such laws, have their genesis, if not equivalents, in the Bible.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 13:27

      jaguarpaw.dinisa, human beings are by nature social animals. No one human being can live apart from other human beings. That is why a human being must exist within a group or even groups. It is illogical though for you to think there is any one group that has remained together for as long as humans have existed. Groups form, disintegrates and reform. Therefore, there is nothng suprising about christians having different "splinter" groups. I am certain atheist have their "splinter" groups too. Can you prove the contrary?

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 14:53

      Aah, Themba, the ever moving target, classical gish gallop!! My contention was, after you implored me to know the bible in order to distinguish the true ones from the charlatans, that the splinter groups within christianity makes a mockery of this "knowing the bible" nonsense. All it confirms is that somebody, perhaps all of them, dont know the bible, as you put it. Going all gallopping about the reason huddle together, because they are social animals, deviates seriously from the topic at hand, let alone the devastating consequences for forming such splinter groups... So again, you dont seem to grasp the reasons for those spilterings, the phenomenom blows your "if you know your bible" theory into over 30k little pieces...

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 15:14

      jaguar, so what if the christian community has splinter group? Does that detract from any christian personally taking responsibililty for their own knowledge of the Bible or lack thereof?

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-12-11 15:57

      No Themba, it detracts from your little theory that to simply "know" the bible is enough to tell the charlatans from the true christians, precisely because they all purport to be true. Your continual playing down of these splinters, again, betrays your appreciation of the seriousness of such breakaways. They invariable differ violently with each other, and you rock up and nonchalantly asks "so what if the christian community has splinter group?". You clearly haven't had a stint in, say Dublin. Oh ja, and they all claim that they intimately "know" the bible...

      sean.sylvester.9 - 2012-12-11 20:14

      Dude if you want to challenge God that's on your own turns, yes I agree there is a lot of bad in the world but the bible foretold this already. There are people in this world that try to do good things way don't you try and be one of them?

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-12-11 09:09

    As if this is going to deter Zuma, he has already made huge sacrifices to his elders and he believes that have given him their blessing,so that is his green light. His tactics is to play into peoples hands until he has what he wants, then you can go and fly a kite. Zuma is for Zuma and nothing will change, he is a dictator and is paving his way to rule for as long as it takes.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-12-11 09:14

    The People are starting to show concern.This sign is good.The message to the politicians is:"We, the people of South Africa have had enough,if you do not change your practice of corruption and theft,we, the people of South Africa will sort that out."

      gvangreunen - 2012-12-11 09:22

      one would think so and yet they continue to vote these people into power!

      fcint - 2012-12-11 12:14

      South Africa needs a mass civil society protest movement driven by mobile communication. Most South Africans are not connected online but they do have mobile phones. Is there anyone out there with techie knowledge who can help drive this thing?

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-11 09:17

    The public is more concerned about where their tax money is being spend on than moral decay.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 09:28

      When you conducted your research on what the public's views are, I was left out. My view is that moral decay is one of the reasons why tax money is spent on Zuma's iNkandla harem, for instance. As a member of the taxpaying public, I am just as equally concerned about the immorality that manifests in the current leadership of the country, as well as their spending priorities

  • MSGRule - 2012-12-11 09:19

    This is going to anger the head bore looking up from the trough. JZ: "What is this nonsense. We don't need this, we are already standing in crap while we have to eat from the golden trough"

  • Lucky - 2012-12-11 09:19

    combine this with the advice from the banks and you get a picture that is seriously dismal!! yet we will have the dancing spear for another 7 years, help!!!

  • dave.hardman - 2012-12-11 09:20

    So sad, I don't believe he will take advise, especially from bankers, clerics, lawyers and doctors. And as for compasses....MR ZUMA is led by the compass between his two big toes

  • gvangreunen - 2012-12-11 09:21

    lost implies that it was there to begin with ... I have my doubts it ever was!

  • tyronlouw - 2012-12-11 09:25

    SA must really be immoral if a group with the moral record of Christianity is having a go at us. Here's an idea, you keep the mental and physical child abuse, incitement to ethnic cleansing and bronze age morality to yourself and we'll sort ourselves out.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-12-11 09:26

    Question is: do any of these men have the moral compass to come out and say which opposition party they will be votinmg for? A stayaway non-vote or a spoilt ballot only favours the ruling ANC. To make a difference they must actually vote for an opposition party.

  • lawson.lutchman - 2012-12-11 09:29

    There never was a compass, we don't have the specialists to read it....

  • makenawn - 2012-12-11 09:30

    The man should behave like a good statesman not a politician ---STEP DOWN

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-11 09:30

    the cANCer can't lose something it never had in the first place. SA is suffering from the same disease the whole world has - it's called electing stupid/unqualified leaders

  • phil.losopher.3 - 2012-12-11 09:30

    As if religious leaders knows anything about a moral compass.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 10:07

      You are truly stoned

  • colin.spear - 2012-12-11 09:35

    Lost? He travelled across Mordor and threw it into Mount Doom.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-12-11 09:37

    The only thing he reads is a R 250 million Rand cheque.

      peter.j.cock - 2012-12-11 09:41

      and that is only because he recognises the "zero's" - somer like his mentality :)

  • asdhasgd - 2012-12-11 09:38

    So...why do you still vote for ANC then? JUST STOP VOTING!!

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-12-11 09:38

    This is the role of the religious leadership, so they arer within their right to raise eyebrows in this matter. But cummon, praying for helen as the sole hope for reviving moral compass.......

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 10:21

      atheitis, nowhere in the bible is such a description of christians given. You have just described your fellow atheist travellers.

  • Greypatriot - 2012-12-11 09:47

    You can only loose something that you had or have.

  • smart.ncube.96 - 2012-12-11 09:47

    So the clerics are praying for Helen Zille? It's like treatment to the foot when you have a headache.

      ronald.vantoorn.9 - 2012-12-11 10:01

      Smart comment!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-11 10:12

      You got Foot in Mouth disease Smart?

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-12-11 09:47

    As if you know or have MORALS.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-12-11 09:53

      surely you can't be defending Zuma regarding this?

      mbambo.shi - 2012-12-11 10:01

      No ways. You can only advice someone about something you experienced. Do you know any religious person with MORALS??.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-11 10:07

      @Shi: Uhm, Yes I know and Yes I do. So does everyone that is close to me.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 10:08

      Mbambo, I know the Archbishop Tutu

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-12-11 09:54

    That's like sending a letter to the head of the Mafia. And its rich from them themselves considering their outcries against Israel whilst they keep quiet about Zimbabwe.

  • Brian Dorning - 2012-12-11 09:57

    'N' for Nkandla, no 'N' for North

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-12-11 09:57

    More like a Bok advicing a Lion how to kill Bok. The only thing that these Religious Clerics and Zumas of this world have in common in Looting from the poor.

  • gideon.rossouw - 2012-12-11 09:58

    'Lost' Compass - lot of nonsense. By electing Zuma 5 years ago, it was very clear that the moral compass was deliberately thrown away. And now the ANC will re elect him. People have made, and will apparently again make a deliberate choice for leadership who are self-interested,self aggrandising and will take care of only of themselves. And then use state power to try an silence the press and use the cloak of 'national interest' and secrecy laws to further keep a lid on those who oppose them. The ANC has become an embarrassment.

  • vambozha.mutemi.9 - 2012-12-11 09:58

    still using a compas..weird?

  • grant.logan.94 - 2012-12-11 09:59

    Pity he doesn't care though. Fortunately for him there are enough uneducated people in this country to keep him in power.

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-11 10:05

    they have lost moral compass themselves they only preach or talk about it....worst part to show that they r more confuse they lie to say they r praying for Zille these ppl r traitors.....

  • dlayani.tivani - 2012-12-11 10:05

    Met Afrikaans julle se' Dit hulpnie omte huil want die ruik mense kanie luister ! Wie kan julle luister vir jou Clerics ? Your shout fell on the death ear sorry Guys . Go an pray forus coz we r in Trouble .Truly the Compass has been lost .

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-11 10:15

      Please, don't write Afrikaans. You are embarrassing yourself.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-12-11 10:06

    we have a moral compass? really? Could have fooled me....

      attie.stone.3 - 2012-12-11 19:51

      Frenchie; It's probably a spelling error....It should read "We have moerall compass".

  • ssheshani - 2012-12-11 10:45

    Church leaders need 2 focus on spreading the word of God nt politics. Even them slelves loot frm the poor using God in their church

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-11 11:07

      Next thing you will be telling them not to vote too. Get your head out of your behind

      june.francis.526 - 2012-12-11 14:10

      Evil takes place when Good men stay quiet. SA needs a voice against corruption.

  • fcint - 2012-12-11 12:21

    South Africa needs to have a mass civil society protest movement driven by mobile communication. Most South Africans are not connected online but they do have mobile phones. Is there anyone out there with the techie knowledge to help drive this thing ?

  • musa.kamashobane - 2012-12-11 14:03

    The man has no conscience, I sincerely hope sanity prevails. Lets pray for him my Lord, shoooo! Amen!

  • june.francis.526 - 2012-12-11 14:05

    @Shirley Steenkamp , I cannot understand how the abolishment of apartheid could ever be immoral. Aparheid was evil. You can only love apartheid if you are a racist. I therefore don't agree with your statement.

  • mzi.mdondolo - 2012-12-11 15:16

    do you think Zuma cares about that? i doubt. all he is worried about now is Mangaung. He does not care about anythingelse other than power and money to fund his wives.

  • reza.ryklief - 2012-12-12 02:05

    I'm tired of hearing about this schmuck.

  • heinrich.crouse - 2012-12-19 19:30

    "Seen the letter". Will he read it, I wonder. Seems a pointless exercise to whinge to one of the root causes of the moral turpitude in this country.