Crisis at tertiary institutions - ANCYL

2012-01-12 19:47

Johannesburg - The department of higher education must acknowledge that there is a critical lack of space in tertiary institutions, the ANC Youth League said on Thursday.

"The department of higher education should not be trapped in denying the reality that there are fewer spaces in institutions of higher learning... because such will deny the department an opportunity to come with urgent solutions to the crisis," suspended ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said.

He said the tertiary education organisation, Higher Education South Africa (Hesa), admitted that the growing demand for education had severely stretched the capacities of the country's universities.

"Now that Hesa has admitted this reality, the ANCYL calls on all South Africans, in particular the South African government and the department of higher education to acknowledge this crisis," Shivambu said.

New universities

"The ANCYL has verified through research that not all students who passed matric will be absorbed into institutions of higher learning, simply because there are no spaces available."

He said the ANCYL would meet Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande and would emphasise the need to build reputable universities in Mpumalanga and in the Northern Cape.

"[We will] also propose a national summit to discuss and come up with solutions on how best South Africa addresses the reality of many students and fewer spaces and opportunities at post-secondary level," Shivambu said.

Gloria Sekwena died in a stampede at the University of Johannesburg on Tuesday morning while accompanying her son Kgositsile to apply for a place. More than 20 people were injured.

After the incident, Nzimande told journalists that crowds descending on universities for late applications was a nationwide problem every year, but that the University of Johannesburg seemed to attract a lot more people.

He said the department was hoping to have centralised applications in place by next year and would provide more information at schools on the applications process.

  • - 2012-01-12 20:00

    They moan that there's not enough space for students, but when they do get a place they moan about paying student fees and disrupt classes of those who want to learn!!

      ubhejane - 2012-01-12 20:23

      And how would you know what it is like when your grandmother gets a R1000 pension and she has to feed all your siblings and get your university fees paid. Envisage a life away from the comfort of your arm chair blogging when next you talk about thousands trying to get somewhere when our Ministers are driving around in big black BMW's and a dry piece of bread has to still your hunger. This comment has got nothing to do with Apartheid or the corruption of the ANC, but everything to do with a burning desire to get ahead in life and then having to pay for your education. We should be accepted into universities based on our matric results and then be able to study for free based on our annual performance.

      Sechaba - 2012-01-12 20:42

      Because not all of us are spoilt brat like you

      Moss - 2012-01-12 20:49

      Tell him Ubhejan, people are just too negative about SA. I have been around the world but I have never seen people so negative about their country. We need to have a dream as a country. Look at how USA citizens are proud of their country, regardless they nuke the Arabs. Do not comment for the sake of commenting. This is a great country, which is why you are able to be comment without being tracked down by some agents.

      simonpetermurrell - 2012-01-12 21:11

      Hmmm your profile looks a little dodgy!!! I wonder if you just making a comment to get a reaction or if you are working for News24. I agree that people disrupting classrooms should be banished but I have come across all people of colour who are willing to learn. Race should not form part of the decision as we are all South Africans and we should act together and make this country better. We must get the best education we can to get ourselves ahead in life as Ubhejane said. I however do not believe a degree is the be all and end all and know many people with a trade / hard work who have been successful in their careers. Your profile looks similar to SunshineAllTheTime and Fred.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-13 04:12

      @Janine. I promise you if we stop this crazy tender scams going on at the moment and rather spend that get rich quick money on education we will buy a lot more people a passport to financial freedom, who in return become tax payers and not charity cases.

  • Sunshine - 2012-01-12 20:01

    Yet Fin24 tells us we have 600000 unemployed graduates. What's the point of having more?

      ubhejane - 2012-01-12 20:29

      There is a big difference having a BA and having a B.Sc or B.Comm. Why don't all of those unemployed get into the teaching profession? What expectation do you have of life with a BA? Become the CEO of ABSA? I don't think so. South Africa needs quality teachers to lay the foundations for our future. Too many teachers have no interest in what they are doing. So let the thousands of unemployed graduates get to the primary schools and start teaching.

      Moss - 2012-01-12 20:50

      You really are empty in your head, atleast contain water in that skull!!

      Blip - 2012-01-13 01:53

      Ubhejane, just google 'Gail Kelly' -- highest-earning CEO in Australia and head of their biggest bank. South African BA graduate and with a Latin major!

      ubhejane - 2012-01-13 04:18

      @Blip. I am not disputing that there are exceptions to the rule and some BA graduates have done a lot with their education. But South Africa isn't in a position to have Millions studying BA degrees when scores of doctors and engineers have left the country never to return. We need to cultivate a culture of science in this country. Cuban doctors that can't speak English are treating African patients who don't understand a word of what they are saying. So how effective is our Health Services if the doctor doesn't understand what the patient is saying?

  • Alex - 2012-01-12 20:01

    this is what the ANCYL should be doing.

  • cameronjohnprice - 2012-01-12 20:03

    Get rid of the blade and get a person with a proven track record (are there any out there?)in there to do the job - preferably not a person that is more worried about boot space.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 21:00

      Give the right man a job even if its not AA or BEE . Damn the man.

  • Fred - 2012-01-12 20:03

    There are far too many white students being admitted to university and this makes it difficult for African students to gain entry. The only solution is to place strict quotas on the number of whites that can study at university. These quotas must reflect the country's demographic profile.

      Consolata Connie Lodya - 2012-01-12 20:10

      This comment is so racist, what will the quota help. This situation is not about who gets into university, but about the fact that we dont hav enuf space for all matriculants that would like to study at varsities. Its not about black and white, its the students responsibility to apply for university in time and their responsibility to get marks good enough for university. If someone else gets better marks than a black student then why should they not be admitted into university?

      cameronjohnprice - 2012-01-12 20:31

      Ja fred - really stupid comment. I pity you.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-12 20:32

      I agree Consolata. I am sick and tired of us seeing ourselves as sorry sad disadvantaged cases. We need to compete in a global economy and may the best man win!

      Sechaba - 2012-01-12 20:43

      A Black child ( Woman) has been denied entry at UCT even though she got 4 distinctions in Maths , Physical Sciences and other subjects I think its very disgusting

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 21:01

      Fred you troll

      Pauline Hanekom - 2012-01-12 22:39

      Quotas is why we don't have enough doctors!! A white child needs 90% or more just to apply! Non-white needs 70% to be accepted. After 2 years of study most of the 70%-ers have dropped out and a mainly (small) white class passes and become doctors at the end of 7 years! It's not about race Fred, it's about getting of your lazy backsides and competing for excellence, not toy-toying for mediocracy!

      ubhejane - 2012-01-13 04:25

      @Pauline. What you are saying is true to an extent, but not at Kovsies. Kovsies of all places are turning out an equal amount of black and white doctors and Indian, now that I think about it. Kovsies has in my opinion become to top Medical Training facility in the country.

  • Hermann - 2012-01-12 20:04

    Nice to spend the money of others, is it not. Why don't they suggest we go back to the old quality education to obtain admission to tertiary education institutions - is their woodwork failure their impediment to realism?

  • Sylvia - 2012-01-12 20:06

    With Blunt Blade at the helm, what can we expect but a crisis?

  • lydonmcg - 2012-01-12 20:07

    Who cares what the ANCYL have to say? They're old news.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 21:04

      If that's what you believe you might as-well crawl under a rock.

  • Wendy - 2012-01-12 20:15

    Easy problem to solve .. just put up the entrance percentage .. to where it should be .. 50%

      Trevor - 2012-01-12 20:27

      Can't do that, will discriminate against the majority...not my words but the ANC/ANCYL that is why the varsities are so full, it's become to easy to get in.

  • Trevor - 2012-01-12 20:23

    Has it become so easy to get into Varsity in SA now???? Would LOVE to know the pass/dropout rates in SA varsities now...must be sky high...

  • Adam - 2012-01-12 20:23

    And this is a revelation Floyd?!! Maths 101, its called a simple projection. X many students enter a matric year. You assume 67 – 74% will pass, of that 40% with a University exemption. Then you figure out how many places there are for that year. Then you go “oh s#it” we need more space. Then you make a plan well in advance. The ANC way, wait till everyone writes exams and then go “Oh, not enough space” Believe it or not, I know this may be foreign to you, but all other countries except SA actually do this, and allow for population increases and plan for 20 years ahead. They even break it down by States or provinces too. I know, its magic. And some countries even project electricity wattage use and project for the future. Here is an “out of the box” thought. Save the R4 million you just spend and pay for the student to study in another African university till you sort the problem out. I know, you getting excited at the idea Floyd……but wait, will they get accepted at another African university given the quality of a matric pass now days?

  • Sinudeity - 2012-01-12 20:26

    Easy solution, raise the standards required to enter tertiary institutions.

  • Ian - 2012-01-12 20:41

    ANCYL this is the first relevant statement you have made in 5 years. I think everyone needs a tertiary education, even the guys who get 30% in matric, they must go to skills colleges. Learn how to do stuff that can earn them an honest and decent living. The academically gifted must go to university, regardless of colour, you study hard, you do well, you get in.

  • Steve - 2012-01-12 20:42

    @lynch don't hide behind your fake ID! Free Speech china...... Say it like it is!!!

  • mamoshianem1 - 2012-01-12 20:56

    They must not only focus only on education.They must also consider overcrowding trains and hospitals.Thanks to apartheid for the legacy it left behind(infrastracture,Health Facilities,Educational Institutions).If it wasn't Afrikaaners SA wasn't gonna be New York of Africa.New government is time to show your capabi lities.

  • nspaynter - 2012-01-12 20:58

    No problem! We just build new universities! That's the easy part. But where are we going to get the lecturers? Perhaps from Cuba? When I visited Cairo, Egypt a few years ago I found that all schooling and tertiary education is FREE!!!! What a dream. I would like to see that here. But the student in turn has to WORK and to PASS. his exams. Failures and messing around will mean disqualification. It's only for students who are SERIOUS about graduating.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-13 04:37

      Mr. Paynter, I believe that we have a wealth of knowledge just languishing in the sun and it could be put to far better use than what is currently done. We have thousands of white men over 50 who once held government positions, who have taken early retirement packages. Those men all have built up years of knowledge in their different field and should be appointed at FET Colleges to transfer their expertise to students. Their pension pay-outs will not last into the future and a new source of income can make their futures more secure and at the same time benefit our shortage of teachers.

      nspaynter - 2012-01-13 05:42

      Ubhejane, I used to work for a company that went the AA route. I have computer skills but cannot get formal work because companies today are saddled with BEE's and all sorts of restriction which prevent them from employing white males. I agree with you 100%. There is an enormous wealth of skills and knowledge just sitting going to rot simply because it's in the minds of people who are now the wrong colour and wrong gender. Many of my old friends have since left the country and live elsewhere, and that includes university lecturers and teachers. Scrub racial and gender discrimination and get down to just been proud South Africans and getting together and making this country work.

  • Wilhelm - 2012-01-12 22:06

    You can't have centralised applications (may be applications, but not admissions) because the danger exists that only those deemed politically worthy will gain admission and it could be another Home affairs, where it would take a student ten years to get an application processed... If established experience with anything the government does is anything to go by. Why were the teachers' training and nurse colleges shut down? Why were so many billions stolen from Setas, the training organisation that would have averted this crisis? I agree with Krüger - a university degree is fine, but there's nothing wrong with being an artisan - SA needs plumbers, electricians, bricklayers etc more than it needs sociologists...

      Adam - 2012-01-12 22:33

      Wilhelm, totally agree. Once you leave varsity you have another piece of paper and no skill. When you qualify as an artisan you can work for someone or work for yourself. A lot of my mates did not go to varsity and financially have done way better than I have.

  • Utopian - 2012-01-12 23:05

    Oh no, now government will again do the wrong thing based on ANCYL's unverified information. ANCYL is right, there is a crisis, but the crisis is: 1. The standard of the National Certificate is too low and even still marks are scandalously manipulated to pass students who don't even attain that low standard. ANCYL pressure is partially to blame. 2. Complete misconception over the fact that blue-collared jobs need to be created and filled, not white-collared and for most blue-collared jobs universities don't supply the appropriate qualification. Go learn a skill by being an appie at a business, unless you're an academic whizz. ANCYL is partially to blame for this misconception. 3. Dismantling of merit-based systems is destroying university capacity. ANCYL is almost wholly to blame for this. In other words, yes there is a severe crisis but ANCYL IS THE CRISIS. Dismantling ANCYL will solve much of the problem.

  • braamc - 2012-01-13 06:21

    Shoe, busy schedule, meeting Mbeki, Blade etc yeah. Your ANC that doesn't plan for nothing besides a party, which they can't plan for properly anyhow.

  • Ian - 2012-01-13 08:53

    what utter rubbish... "The ANCYL has verified through research that not all students who passed matric will be absorbed into institutions of higher learning, simply because there are no spaces available." its a case of matriculants not having the correct standards to be able to attend university! something like only 24% of the class of 2011 qualified for university... ANCYL should find a just cause on which to

  • Jayne - 2012-01-13 10:52

    UBHEJANE for president!!!! You really sound more logical than the whole goverment.....

  • Makhosazane - 2012-01-13 11:14

    Only now the ANCYL is talking about things that concern the youth - which is part of their mandate. If they did research from the time they took office - they would have been able to identify these problems and propose plans to government to address them....Go Jump Floyd...please

      Daniel - 2012-01-13 13:48

      At least they are identifying issues of concern (irrespective of the timing). I instead commend them for that.

  • Daniel - 2012-01-13 13:44

    I never understood the reasoning behind the merger of the Randse Afrikaans Universiteit and Technikon Witwatersrand, the name changing from Technikon to the University of Technology (a meney wasting exercise). Surely if the idea was to enable the previously disadvantaged to benefit from the previously advantaged institutions, it would have been better to put more funding into those institutions and ensure good governance governance. Effectively that process reduced the number of Tertiary Institutions resulting in this "crisis". Somebody help me, I may be short sighted! You do not have to build a university in the Northern Cape or Mpumalanga if nobody will want to study there anyway. All you need is enough institutions that will address the influx of the increasing "successful" Matriculants.

  • rlmbennett - 2012-06-05 20:58

    "He said the ANCYL would meet Higher Education Minister Blade Nzimande and would emphasise the need to build reputable universities in Mpumalanga and in the Northern Cape." Does he mean building universities with a ready-made reputation?

  • rlmbennett - 2012-06-05 21:04

    @Ubhejane why don't you place the responsibility for you and others' predicament where it belongs, with the ANC government? Still you persist in voting these morons into power. The only way they are going to listen to you is if you have the guts to vote for one of the opposition parties. It is hard to understand why you guys continue to vote these fools into power and then still complain.

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