Cwele warns of information peddlers

2011-11-29 22:52

Durban - Former apartheid security officials fabricated intelligence reports to get millions of rands from unsuspecting victims, State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele said.

"We have information that they make sure that they instil fear with the sole aim of making money," he said during a discussion on the controversial protection of state information bill in Durban on Tuesday.

Cwele accused members of the former apartheid national intelligence agency, defence force and the police of being "information peddlers".

"They take something with a little bit of truth and put false information on it. They then approach you and ask you to contract them to dig more," he said.

The information peddlers had started by targeting national departments, and had moved to provincial departments and municipalities.

Cwele said those involved in the fabrication of information urged people or institutions they targeted not to rely on state institutions to help them.

"It is a big business and that is one of the things the [protection of state information] bill seeks to address."

The bill has come under fire from by the media, opposition parties and trade unions.

Cwele said it was easy for people to fabricate sensitive information with impunity.

The Special Browse "Mole" intelligence report in 2006 was the work of information "peddlers", he said.

The report claimed that President Jacob Zuma was involved in a conspiracy which was a threat to the sovereignty and integrity of the South African state before he became president.

It contained warnings of a foreign-backed plot to bring Zuma to power and the threat of insurrection should he not become president.

"The report was pushed through the Scorpions and was later found [to be a] fabrication," he said.

Commenting on the fierce opposition against the bill, Cwele said many changes had been made after concerns were raised about its wide scope.

"We have made a lot of changes. It has now been narrowed to only to security structures such as the police, the SA National Defence Force and home affairs information," he said.

The bill was not aimed at hiding corruption and muzzling the media.

"The media is an important component in our society. Our department also has no mandate to silence the media."

Not happy

The so-called secrecy bill was adopted with 229 to 107 votes, and two abstentions, by the 400-member chamber and it has been referred to the National Council of Provinces.

"The provinces have been given the opportunity to make some inputs. If there are valuable inputs, the will be considered."

Cosatu's main concern with the bill is that it lacks protection for whistle-blowers who pass on classified documents to expose corruption.

The union federation also supports widespread calls for a public interest defence.

Such a defence would enable people prosecuted for publishing classified information to argue in mitigation that they had done so in the public interest, the union argues.

The bill also criminalises the possession of classified information by unauthorised people.

Cwele said he was not happy that some of his fellow African National Congress members of parliament had decided not to vote for the bill.

"I am not happy that they walked out because ANC members were taken on board on several occasions. They had opportunities to raise their concerns. What they did is of great concern to me."

There were 34 ANC MPs absent from the National Assembly during the vote.

  • Sedick - 2011-11-29 23:04

    Who believes anything this idiot has to say. His wife was peddling drugs while lying next to him in bed, and he was unaware (or was he?). So how would a duffus like him unearth information pedlars, and not know a drug peddler sharing his bed......

      Donovan - 2011-11-30 01:06

      Okay Cwele, Minister of Intelligence (bwahahaha, he wouldn't know his own ass from a hole in the ground)...JUST NAME THESE MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE...since you are in charge of knowing that sort of thing. TOOL.

      Dirk - 2011-11-30 04:56

      Minister of intelligence? Is that what you call an oxymoron? Misinformation, for sure.

      Aj - 2011-11-30 06:44

      How can you trust a minister whose wife is a drug dealer ? I'm sorry, convicted drug dealer. How can you trust that ?

      The Real Unskinny - 2011-11-30 06:53

      Sounds like pre-emptive excuse making because someone has serious dirt on the ANC.

      Neill - 2011-11-30 07:01

      Blameer dit op Apartheid, Blameer die op De Klerk. Blameer dit op ou satan, Blameer dit op die Kerk!

      Mike - 2011-11-30 07:05

      Is he the minister of intelligence? Dont you need intelligence to become the minster of intelligence

      Dave - 2011-11-30 07:12

      So there are 229 MP's guilty of corruption plus 2.

      BadMuse - 2011-11-30 07:43

      It is obviaaas that he took too many of his wife's drugs.

  • Heinrich - 2011-11-29 23:06

    So now he's trying to scare us into accepting this Billsheet. Scan your own bag, Mr. Sinister Minister.

      Gungets - 2011-11-30 06:48

      They do not need this bill to prosecute people for stealing and selling state secrets. PW Botha's old bill is still on the statute books, the National Party successfully kept entire populations in the dark using that bill. Cwele is lying, just like his drug peddling wife. It does point out one thing though - you can fool some of the people ALL the time. They have found the IQ switch - like Pavlov's dog salivated when you rang a bell, the (below) average SA voter turns their brain off when you say "apartheid". We have unfortunately not yet identified the word to turn it on again. I suspect that word will be "hungry"

      Sedick - 2011-11-30 09:09

      If it is mis-information, thereby not the truth, how will the bill stop this. Surely you can't declare untruths a state secret? Or am I missing something?

      Gungets - 2011-11-30 09:46

      @Sedick - you mean classify lies as secrets. @!$# buddy, that is EXACTLY what the Nats did and what the ANC are faithfully copying. You stop politicians from lying and Mac Maharaj is going to be silent for the rest of his life. As much as I like the idea of never hearing his whining again, I am not sure it is the right thing for South Africa.

  • cameronjohnprice - 2011-11-29 23:23

    And the point is what exactly?

      mundu.olewega - 2011-11-30 02:47

      Here we go again...blame apartheid for their corruption. Noone buys The crap you sprout, Cewele.

  • charmaine.rowlands - 2011-11-29 23:35

    Clearly these “Misinformation” peddlers think we’re completely stupid! Please Mr “State Security” Minister; no amount of "justification" can exonerate the ANC government of their blatant abuse of power...

  • Phillie - 2011-11-29 23:38

    When a man had the opportunity to ask God questions, he asked when will there be peace on earth and God answered; not in your time my son, he then asked God when will the anc stop blaming apartheid and God answered; NOT in My time my son!!!

      biancadegoede - 2011-11-30 03:26

      good one!

  • linda.l.mndayi - 2011-11-29 23:39

    "We have made a lot of changes. It has now been narrowed to only to security structures such as the police, the SA National Defence Force and home affairs information," Cwele said. The thing is, this is a blatant lie, which can only mean he knows most have not read the bill. Here is the truth; Departmental policies and procedures 8. (1) The head of each organ of state must establish departmental policies, directives and categories for classifying, downgrading and declassifying information and protection against loss, destruction and unlawful disclosure of information created,acquired or received by that organ of state. (2) Departmental policies and directives must not be inconsistent with the national information security standards prescribed in terms of section 7.(3) Each organ of state must establish departmental policies, directives and categories in terms of subsection (1) within 18 months of the commencement of this Act. In short each gov dept will determine which of its information should be classified, and if the minister agrees, it will be.

  • cobus.burgers - 2011-11-29 23:58

    It does not matter how the Government wants to sugar coat this law, it is a big FARCE! It is the first step in carving away at those rights that so many people died for, and many of them were ANC members. Any person who supports this law has something to hide. What has happened the past week in passing this piece of legislation in parliament can only be described as a complete disgrace and slap in the face of all those victims of apartheid. The ANC has become the National Party! No wonder they merged with them a few years ago, which in itself was such a disappointment and repulsive. South Africans, please be aware - this is a typical first step in a government taking away those rights that many people died for. Every citizen has the obligation to object to this in the strongest sense and reject this legislation in its entirety. We said never ever again, but now, it is starting again. WAKE UP South Africa, the public response to this from the general public has in fact been exceptionally complacent. This government needs and exceptional strong message: YOU ARE THE SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE, not the other way around. You WILL listen to the PEOPLE, and YOU WILL RESPECT OUR Constitution. If you don't, you are out, and if you cling to that power, you will be forced out with what ever means the citizens have to take. But we will NOT go back to where we came from. People have the power, we need to realise how quickly we can use that to facilitate any form of change.

      Atholl - 2011-11-30 05:24

      'Servant of the people' vs 'Satan's little helpers' a Servant of the people does not muzzle the media - it informs, invites criticism and sets an environment to highlight errors before they become mistakes. Satan's little helpers muzzle the media to deceive the minds of the public in order to restrict the flow of information and ideas thereby serving their own master at the expense of the public.

  • Maureen Webster - 2011-11-30 00:22

    Blame the bill on apartheid WTF.

  • Dewdawn - 2011-11-30 04:32

    It is an amazing thruth that "State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele" walks amongst us and still believes he can lie with impunity and arrogance. Can the government proof the value added by having a State Security department at all. What are they needed for if all they do is protect the Luthuli House deployed cadre's that are slurping up our tax Rands.

  • Mabel - 2011-11-30 05:03

    What a load of rubbish! Has this man's wife's credibility lost him so much of hiw own credibility that he has to manufacture stories about a regime that has been dead for nearly 18 years? I really resent this clown getting the salary he does to talk a lot of twaddle when we have so many starving school kids around. Oh well! Just another buffoon to go down with Jacob Zuma as a nightmare in our history.

  • Silvana - 2011-11-30 05:26

    Here we go again. Blame apartheid agents. Cwele, I think your mouth and your anus have switched places.

  • CALAMITYSA - 2011-11-30 05:35

    Apartheid! Why not rather LEARN from the mistakes in stead of making bigger mistakes. Apartheid is long gone - but the ignoramus can not think further than 1994 for excuses for missing proper government. Fire him Zuma.

  • CALAMITYSA - 2011-11-30 05:38

    Apartheid! Why not rather LEARN from the mistakes in stead of making bigger mistakes. Apartheid is long gone - but the ignoramus can not think further than 1994 for excuses for missing proper government. Fire him Zuma.

  • rlong1952 - 2011-11-30 06:09

    Clutching at straws, methinks.

  • Anthony - 2011-11-30 06:25

    "they take the truth" and ad a bit of spice. then what? blackmail you. So why are they making money? Because you are guilty. the truth is the truth.

  • Trevor - 2011-11-30 06:59

    Cwele...what we must believe this date, almost 20years, NO STATES SECRETS have ben published, nothing BAR ANC CORRUPTION....the ANC HAS BECOME ROTTEN, CORRUPT & serves only a few Elite old Boys who don't like to share...first victim of this "click", Julius Malema

  • Squeegee - 2011-11-30 07:00

    Minister: "It's not fair. We work so hard at stealing and smuggling drugs and you keep exposing us. It's just not right. We should be allowed to suck the country dry without you interferring."

  • John - 2011-11-30 07:01

    Sounds like paranoia setting in?

  • See - 2011-11-30 07:01

    And Cwele doesn't even realise he is doing the exact same thing. What a stupid bunch of clowns in the ANC.

  • braamc - 2011-11-30 07:09

    Try to cover up all the ANC dirt, corruption and theft? Doing everything possible so far, even taking the country back to the dark ages like apartheid. Worse than before

  • George - 2011-11-30 07:14

    As long as the anc fu@k thing up they will and still blame apartheid. There brain cannot work out problems so just keep blaming apartheid. Come on you stupid Fu@ks think for your self and tahe responsibility for your own stupid actions

  • Larry - 2011-11-30 07:15

    What a Load of Rubbish.

  • PaasHaas - 2011-11-30 07:20

    "The information peddlers had started by targeting national departments, and had moved to provincial departments and municipalities." - I guess what he is trying to say is that there is absolutely NO corruption in the state, provincial and municipalities, nasty, racist, apartheid era information peddlars are merely creating the impression that this is happening to discredit the squeaky clean ANC administration.

  • Dave - 2011-11-30 07:22

    Typical of these ANC idiots - if all else fails blame it on the former apartheid regime. This has got to be wearing a bit thin by now. Cwele is exactly the same as all the other ANC Executive - corrupt, thieving idiot. This gravy train is getting really big and really fast with all the buddies that are recruited.

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  • joeballito - 2011-11-30 07:56

    @ Sedick, and you forgot to mention that his drug peddling wife probably does not have to have her bag scanned on her trips overseas.What is the profit on 10 kilos cocaine?

  • UrsulaDuToit - 2011-11-30 08:17

    If the information of the "peddlers" is such a complete fabrication it should be easy to prove them wrong, shouldn't it? Why the need of a secrecy bill to shut them up completely rather than contest their information and prove yourself right and earn credibility in the process? If only we had more schooled voters in this country... Everyone votes, but only a select few are up to date and knows what is going on around them.

  • Peter - 2011-11-30 08:45

    If people are supposedly peddling false information based on 'pieces or particles' of the truth, how will we the people know what the ACTUAL truth is if it is not disclosed to us? Maybe these peddlers are telling the whole truth, exposing corrupt and inept officials, and THAT is why this bill has seen the light of day. Your statement, Honourable Minister, does not pass the very credibility muster that you purport to be instituting. Some of us approach issues using logic supported by considerable brain power!

  • pws69 - 2011-11-30 08:47

    If these ANC run departments were not paranoid about being caught red handed in the first place, then there would be no opportunity for these supposed info peddlars.

  • MarkH - 2011-11-30 08:52

    After the episode with his wife I doubt that state security minister - and that's a misnomer if ever I heard one - Siyabonga Cwele would recognize information if it walked up and bit him in the ass. Do any of these idiots actually rehearse what they're going to say or do they just mouth off?

  • ludlowdj - 2011-11-30 09:15

    Cwele is obviously not happy with loosing out on profit potential, the man should have been removed from office long ago, his attempt to gloss over the governments dictatorship enterprises is nauseating to say the least

  • Maai - 2011-11-30 09:27

    After reading this delusional drivel I can only deduce that he is his wifes biggest heroin customer.

  • Warwick - 2011-11-30 09:35

    This clutz did not even know what was going on in his own home. Think dear Cheryl and her involment with nigerian drug dealers and drug smuggeling. Why should we trust you. So you look to blame whites and not your own incompetence. What else could your dear wife have been smuggeling. Must be reassuring that your wife was involved with nigerians. And another thing, how can FALSE infomation be a state secret?

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2011-11-30 10:16

    Lol, can anyone say New World Order... Zuma IS part of a foreign conspiracy to take control of our government, but its bigger than that, the ANC has been hijacked by the elites for their own personal gain, as they have with most countries, and the protection of info bill is designed to protect against that fact ever being exposed. Its just the way the world works, the evidence is in front of our eyes, hiding in plain sight.

  • Vince.York - 2011-11-30 10:23

    Just open the entire can of worms totally transparently and then there can NEVER be another "tokoloshe" as being created in this murky fiasco of a costly saga which is being thrown up as a smokescreen to block investigations into the corruption and crimes committed by so many past, present and worse - into the future. Kwa_Zuma Modise & Guptha Incorporated has circumvented corruption charges and arms deal investigations previously - Heath. Prosecution arm was put into ridicule and made ineffective under Mpshe, Tladi Tladi and now Menzi Simelane. Justice and the Constitutional Court have been emasculated and made ineffective by a political threat and bully. Special Investigations have been circumvented with shennanigans around Scorpions and Hawks. The Secrecy/Info Bill combo with all these insidious blows above and Mo Shaik controlling via eavesdropping on all - are annihilating the fragile Democratic Processes and Bastions that made SA so attractive and successful will be the death knell for the future citizens and prosperity as they continue to "learn the hard way". The fact is, that so many of the suddenly super enriched BEE achievers and even more non-achievers must start the path of returning funds to the country and blocking others from using same methods which are not only unethical but also illegal - and make access to info easier rather than more difficult.

  • Heather.Pansegrouw - 2011-11-30 10:39

    The 34 absent ANC MPs get my vote!!

  • peter.vanachter - 2011-12-03 11:25

    Siyabonga Cwele, your an idiot. Why cant you come up with something interesting instead of living in the past. And then there is the credibility of your wife, think you have more to be concerned about then the information bill or did you find a jotted down note at the back of your desk draw, and decided oooh lets implement this, they did it 40 years ago....nothing you do is of any interest nor benefit to SA so get lost!

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