DA: Land Green Paper will cause instability

2011-09-12 20:15

Cape Town - The Green Paper on land reform fails to address the wrongs of the past and risks creating instability, the Democratic Alliance said on Monday.

"It offers no vision of how to substantially address the inequities bequeathed by apartheid in a coherent and sustainable way," the DA said in statement.

"If the Green Paper is implemented in its current form, the landless of South Africa will continue to feel the effects of the past."

DA spokesperson Lindiwe Mazibuko said the long-awaited Green Paper released last month focused too heavily on the three million people who live and work on privately owned farms and failed to address communal land tenure, which affects some 16 million people.

Rural Development and Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti has said the issue would be addressed in a separate policy statement.

Said Mazibuko: "What we are seeing here is a lack of political will to confer full land rights to people who live on communally-owned land.

"At least 4.5 million of these people are engaged in agricultural activity."

She said in order to ensure security of tenure for those living on communal land in the former homelands, a formal registration process of individual title deeds must be undertaken.

Mazibuko also criticised the proposed establishment of a land valuer general to set compensation in cases of expropriation and the establishment of a land management commission.

She said the powers of the latter to invalidate land ownership should be left with the courts. Likewise, compensation should be determined by the courts.

"Appointing a non-independent body to determine compensation will be open to abuse and [will] undermine the constitutional principle of willing-buyer-willing-seller.

"These measures will create instability and undermine confidence in South Africa's rural economy. This will have a detrimental impact on economic growth and job creation."

Nkwinti has responded to concerns about violating the willing-buyer-willing-seller principle by saying it has been problematic because "it distorts the market".

"The land valuer-general is designed to eliminate these vagaries," he said recently.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-09-12 20:26

    So? The ANC is hellbent on destroying this country. It is after all part of the African union. So it must behave like one. They are racist as they again showed today after the Shoot the Boer ruling. Nobody must touch their history yet the Afrikaner history is under threat everyday.

      Paul Benn - 2011-09-12 20:34

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-12 20:45

      Well said Paul.

      wehan.victor - 2011-09-12 20:53

      @Eurocentric, Do you look at both sides of the equation?

      cliffarc - 2011-09-12 20:57

      - Well said Chum Scrubber.

      beicime - 2011-09-12 21:06

      African governments can't strategize and tend to mess up everything. In the snd a few well positioned people benefit at the expense of everybody else and the whites are blamed again and agan and again. What will be done to the farms that whites bought back from blacks?

      Protest - 2011-09-12 21:11

      Well said cliffarc

      simplyme - 2011-09-12 21:13

      Eurocentric If I am so privileged, then why have I been jobless for the past 14 years? Why do I have no income and why do I have no pension or hope for a secure future? I own nothing of value and don't have anything left to sell. Could this predicament possibly be because the racist policies of my country of birth (fifth generation in Africa) which excludes me from being able to obtain any kind of work based on my skin colour despite having many years of experience at junior and senior management level. And I am not the only one, there is a massive amount of us, possible as many as 700 000, but the black apartheid government of SA would never admit that. I live on charity, donated food, whatever people give me via handouts etc. and it is getting worse all the time. I disrepair for this country I love so much and if I would ever get the chance (enough money for a plane ticket) I will head out of here and never look back. But I'm afraid I may have left it too late.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-12 22:00

      @Eurocentric : wow. if i had to blame the nazi's, the destruction of my country, the social victimization and the economic collapse of my people, i would probably also sound as big a twat as you today. but you know what, i didn't, and neither did my countrymen.. and now (30 years later) we are one of the wealthiest economies in the world. So, do us all a favor, and take your mud hut victim mentality elsewhere. Black, Brown, Indian, Chinese, White, and Blue : We all have 24 hours a day to make a difference in our lives. Some do, and some dont.

      canthelpthinking - 2011-09-12 22:38

      @eurocentric. I am a white male and i agree with 99% of what you say. I just think you need to be mindful that you are making generalisations that are not necessarily true across the board and you should be mindful of your own admonition to take heed of CONTEXT. Although I see Robert Jensen's point I don't fully agree with it. His point is made in the context of American society not South African. Although inequalities are comparable in many ways, the very fact that South Africa has a black majority and a white minority and America has the reverse is of huge significance. The fact that the black majority have a government of their choice in power, and have had for 17 years is not inconsequential.There have been many, many whites who fought against the evils of apartheid and there are many who voted for the ANC at the first opportunity they had to do so. To lable all these people "mean and uncaring, morally bankrupt and ethically flawed" strikes me as unhelpful. So the big question do you actually deal with the inequality - the fact that most whites are privileged (as a result of privileging of their forefathers) and most blacks are poor (as a result of oppression of their forefathers?) without simply reverting to racial stereotyping or rendering everyone underpriviliged through rash emotionally charged decision making? I believe the only way is through Education and job creation. The greatest tragedy of the last 17 years is that education has gone nowhere.

      John Galt - 2011-09-12 22:59

      @ChumScrubber: I disagree. I don't think that Paul appreciates the gravity of his remark. He's starting to sound like an ANC parliamentarian.

      kalabafazi - 2011-09-13 10:03

      Well said Protest

      Eugene - 2011-09-13 18:08

      The DA sounds like ANC lite.

  • sipholess - 2011-09-12 20:39

    The ANC parasites want it this way you fool. When they start taking land it's going to be brutal. It's only a matter of time.

      chan chan - 2011-09-13 10:11

      what the ANC dont foresee is the white youth is getting very frustrated . we will only walk in the shadows for so long, as a member of south african white youth i am prepared to stand my ground. i may fall but i will take atleast 100 of you with me !! we dont want war, but we will lay down our lifes for what we believe in! The ANC will face an army of intelligent angry white,black, indian and colored youth. the real leaders of south africa !!

  • em_oh! - 2011-09-12 20:58

    @Eurocentric If the so called "underpriveledged" were given ALL the land in SA who the hell do you think is going to feed everyone? They want, want,want but when given they do not want to "work" you know the meaning of "work" because 99% of the "underpriveged" don't. It's the old story gimme gimme gimme. We are another Zim in the making.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-12 21:03

      He's looking for his freeeeee handout as usual. Much more preferable than getting off his backside and working like everyone else does.

      Yislaaik - 2011-09-12 21:19

      You are right with the gimme gimme. When I think of the words I picture how many hands have been upturned in front of me begging. Always begging. Pity Somalia has nobody to blame. So they beg from the UN. Always begging. Why make your own when you can take somebody else's.

      Yislaaik - 2011-09-12 21:24

      I must say here that I do admire the 'junk merchants', the ones who go through the streets digging out of bins and filling their supermarket trolleys with old paper, bits of wood and iron. They do leave a mess behind them. I can't be angry with them, only grateful that they are trying to earn an honest living.

      Justice - 2011-09-12 21:32

      Sometimes, I wonder how the lazy people are majority of the employed, the wheels of the capitalist machines.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-12 22:05

      i would just like to add to em_oh's comment, to make it clear to those who dont get it... when he talks about work... he talks about spending your entire youth, absorbing, learning and thinking.. so that when you come of age, you can apply 15+ years of basic principles of economics, psychology, sociology, mathematics, and applied sciences to make your life better THROUGH working hard. Digging a hole for 20 years is not working hard, its working dumb.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-13 06:21

      Thats a bit unfair kickbl@ck, if you don't have the education in the first place sometimes digging holes for a living is the only alternative. And without the guys who do the manual labour, the system fails. It is hard work, just less stressfull as the brain does not need to think as much as the boss - I farm and often do manual labour as it is a stress reliever. Honest.

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-13 07:28

      This reminds me of the graffiti in London during apartheid, "We will break apartheid" and someone had written underneath, "Blacks will break anything". I wonder if they are now busy breaking South Africa.

  • beicime - 2011-09-12 21:06

    African governments can't strategize and tend to mess up everything. In the snd a few well positioned people benefit at the expense of everybody else and the whites are blamed again and agan and again. What will be done to the farms that whites bought back from blacks?

  • Yislaaik - 2011-09-12 22:09

    Do you remember when the homelands were created, the the government bought out the white farms to engineer the homelands. Are these same farmers being expropriated again? The land was given to the homelands free and cost the buyers very little. (Of course, the govt paying for the land with taxpayers money.). How many times do we have to pay for the same thing? Animal farm is tame compared with this.

      ES - 2011-09-13 02:06

      Hi Jislaaik I do remember the farms that were expropriated by the previous government and given to who knows for their quest of separate development. I doubt if these farms will be expropriated again but I wish you could see what has become of these once beautiful Colonial Commercial Farms, All I saw there was where the dairy was supposed to be a dilapidated unused building. The “farmer” pointed out about 20 head of cattle and he was very proud of his cattle. The House itself was completely derelict (destroyed) and literally falling down. Chickens and goats were allowed to roam freely in the house. In this specific area all the farms have ended up like this. So, there is no large scale commercial farming going on in these areas!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-13 06:26

      ES - same has happened with land reform farms. It is amazing how quickly they are trashed, I live opposite one. All the buildings are stripped of everything besides the brick walls. The ideology of sharing the land seems fair, but it is not being shared - that taken from us is simply trashed. The purpose seems more to be to take away from us than to uplift anyone who is "disadvantaged". I'd be so ashamed if I were one of "them", how is it possible to respect people like this?

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-13 07:33

      I read the other day that 20% of the farms that have recently been bought from white farmers have been sold back to whites by the new owners.

  • Seven9 - 2011-09-12 23:43

    I'm always reading extremely negative, normally bordering on racist comments! South Africa is a young democracy which by definition will make mistakes! Instead of opening rejecting most government initiatives and policies, can someone please propose any ideas or proposals where we can finally rectify the misdeeds of apartheid? Until we do develop as a nation is not possible!

      Tired - 2011-09-13 03:26

      The Jews was put out of their land for almost 2000years, they were nearly wiped out by the holocaust. Do you hear them complain? No they are the bread basket of the world as most foods in Europe comes from Israel. The reason why they progress is they don't have a blame culture or want handouts.And they work hard for what they can get. Sorry to say but in the last 17 years they are just going backwards? Why i don't want to say anything bad..maybe you can answer me?

      sipholess - 2011-09-13 04:41

      @Tired Israel is the bread basket of the world ? Most foods in Europe come from Israel ?.......One thing is for are one brainwashed puppy, your comments suggest you dont leave your security compound very often.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-13 06:30

      Its like talking to a brick wall, the government does not listen to ideas that come from white people. Does that explain it? And comments explaining frustration at the constant failures - how do you see them as racist? This government does not want the land issue solved, as it is a convenient tool for them to use to fire up when thier popularity wanes - exactly like what happened in Zim. The current regime is not an honest one, I promise you.

      Danel - 2011-09-13 08:29

      Attention all my fellow SA Citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP & SMELL THE SH@T creeping up on us.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember the Jews in Germany. They KNEW Hitler hated them, but they also "thought" things will improve. Open your eyes, start voicing your opinion, but most of all, use your brains to improve your situation. The current "regime" have no idea of how to spend money responsibly. They believe the 9% "Haves" will always be there to fill their bank accounts. But at the same time they "wish" them away. Until the day comes when "wishing" realy becomes violent. Small to medium Businesses in this country is the backbone of creating jobs, but are currently taxed to death. So why should "we" create more jobs? Let the "regime" sort out the sh@t they created themselves.

      Tired - 2011-09-13 09:11

      @sipholess or smart Alex. You choose, here is Wikipedia quote " For centuries, farmers in Israel have grown varieties of citrus fruits such as grapefruit, oranges and lemons. Citrus fruits are still Israel's major agricultural export. In addition, Israel is one of the world's leading greenhouse food exporting countries."

      Eugene - 2011-09-13 18:11

      //were nearly wiped out by the holocaust. // Yeah for sure, in death camps that had swimming pools, shops, saunas, hospitals, dental clinics and orchestras for the prisoners and "gas chambers" that couldn't have worked as "witnesses" claimed.

  • Danel - 2011-09-13 08:15

    Attention all my fellow SA Citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP & SMELL THE SH@T creeping up on us.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remember the Jews in Germany. They KNEW Hitler hated them, but they also "thought" things will improve. Open your eyes, start voicing your opinion, but most of all, use your brains to improve your situation.

  • Tronn - 2011-09-13 13:07

    I will burn my property to the ground before giving it away. So I hope you know how to manufacture bricks and cement, because other wise you are going to have to build one of your pathetic shack structures and live in your own unhygenic filth like the rest!!!!!!!!!

  • Tronn - 2011-09-13 13:33

    The ANC leadership will most certainly one day in the not too distant future be held responsible by the very same international community that assisted them to overcome minority rule for subsequently leading the post-apartheid South-Africa in the wrong direction – the ANC will not be able to keep on fooling everybody all the time with their superficial lip service to reconciliation and nation building.

  • rory - 2011-09-16 16:05

    Successful economies are based on the principle of willing buyer, willing seller. Struggling economies are based on third party diktat, usually the government. It always amazes me that people can advocate interfering with the willing buyer, willing seller principle in the name of improving the economy when it is highly unlikely that they themselves would welcome a third party dictating their personal economic choices for them. Obviously it is okay in their minds if it is somebody else to whom this is happening.

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