DA: Sisulu must explain back-up planes

2012-01-21 14:35

Johannesburg - Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu must take full responsibility for the use of two back-up planes that shadowed President Jacob Zuma's jet to the United States, the Democratic Alliance said on Saturday.

"Sisulu must publicly explain why it was necessary to use two aircrafts to shadow the presidential jet," the party spokesperson on defence David Maynier said in a statement.

He was reacting to the admittance by the SA Air Force on Friday that the Bombardier Global Express shadowed Zuma's Boeng Business jet on his recent visit to the United Nations Security Council meeting in New York.

Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano told reporters in Johannesburg that one additional aircraft was there because there was a time-critical engagement on the way back.

He said a standby aircraft was vital to ensure the president did not miss the appointment if the one being used experienced technical problems. However, Maynier insisted that two more aircrafts were used in the trip.

"I understand that not one, but two aircrafts were used to shadow Zuma's jet," he said.

"I will be surprised if the combined costs of the aircrafts did not cost up to R10m. This is simply mind-boggling."

Maynier also asked why Zuma and his staff did not use a commercial flight. He said this was because the SA Airways was now offering direct flights to New York from Johannesburg.

  • cameronjohnprice - 2012-01-21 14:41

    That is a bit of a waste - unless it was for Zuma's wives.

      david.streicher - 2012-01-21 15:12

      Not waste per say. 1 was for Zuma and halve his family, the second for the other halve and the third for Khulubuse.

      John - 2012-01-21 15:24

      Sisulu is a liar. She has been caught out various times. And Yes, We The Paying People Have A Right To Know!

      Squeegee - 2012-01-21 15:32

      It just gets worse. No extra plane, then 1 extra plane, now 2 extra planes. Mindbogle! Do these people not understand that it is almost impossible to hide something like this today? Come on- give us the true version and what it cost!

      Francois - 2012-01-21 15:38

      Cameronjohnprice, if they are all in the plane, it will not be able to take off due to the sheer number of showers that has to be installed and the life rafts that has to be thrown out so that they can catch a taxi. MMM well maybe, that caused the time risk for our PRINCIPLE MEMBER.

      Phill - 2012-01-21 15:41

      You are right 'cameronjohnprice'. When the ANC (African National Corruption) talked of service delivery, Zuma probably thought of the actual delivery in the maternity ward, hence so many children and young wives. Little knowledge is dangerours!Let's then call him Mr...Delivery.

      david.streicher - 2012-01-21 15:53

      It brings joy to my heart knowing that our government spends our tax money frugally.

      Spyker - 2012-01-22 00:19

      On Sixth Avenue in Manhattan, New York City, there is a National Debt Clock. It is a billboard-sized running total dot-matrix display which constantly updates to show the current United States gross national debt. I suggest: We have a national fundraiser, eg money deposited into a bank account - to erect a billboard-sized running display of.., THE TOTAL MONETARY VALUE, OF THE ANC's WASTAGE OF THE TAX-PAYERS MONEY, OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR. I.o.w. it will be 'updated' every day and you will be able to see, how much tax-money the ANC had wasted, over the previous 365 days (or 366 every leap year). It can be done in Cape Town (will not be prohibited here), in a place frequented by international tourists, to introduce the rest of the world to the 'REAL ANC'... PS: Can anyone explain to me what is a BOENG business jet.., eish.., she izzz da Efriken BOEING... Perhaps it explains the Efriken maddermatix that was used to calculate the number of aerocreft she are to be joost... Note – quote verbatim from the leading article “...shadowed Zuma's Boeng Business jet...”

      Sedick - 2012-01-22 01:54

      Two wives a mistress....and they are not speaking to each other........

      Jou - 2012-01-22 11:48

      There is no taking ownership or accountability in ANC politics. That's not the African way.

  • Geronimo - 2012-01-21 14:42

    Exactly, what is wrong with taking a simple commercial flight to New York on the national carrier? What a saving that would have been to the tax-payer! What a disgusting waste of money when most people in this country are impoverished. I only hope that this excessive over-spending somehow filters down to the voter who has no access to the internet. It's time for a change. Use your vote wisely.

      proafrikaans - 2012-01-21 15:08

      People get the government they deserve. Nowhere is this more true than in the most poverty-stricken squatter camp, where they will one day burn tires and throw stones due to poor service delivery, but the next day most of them will vote ANC, the huge crime family whose sole purpose is plunder. These sheeple are not only poor, they are too stupid to do anything to help themselves by voting for somebody else. I have long since ceased to have any sympathy whatsoever for those unwilling to use their power at the ballot box to improve their lot.

      Martin - 2012-01-21 15:38

      The problem is where educated people see the massive waste of money that could have been used to improve South Africa, uneducated people see one of their own living the dream. They do not understand that government leaders are working for them and wasting money that is supposed to improve their lives. This is why the education system is in such a bad state. Why would the ANC want to educate it voters?

      Chris - 2012-01-21 22:36

      It's so sad that the masses still blame he white man for all their problems. All this wastage(billions) could have done a lot for the poor.

  • Vic - 2012-01-21 14:48

    'There was a time critical engagement on the way back' is a load of crap ! You can fool some of the people some of the time. Plan better Zuma

      Russan - 2012-02-21 23:06

      Time critcal engagement= the SHOWER was running out of water or $ or wives, children, shopping, or juju stealing Tv in the zozo !!!

  • Kim - 2012-01-21 14:49

    OMG Zuma thinks he is so important

      Sharon - 2012-01-21 14:54

      Its the paranoia that gets me

      Mike - 2012-01-21 15:49

      The British Pime Minister uses commercial flights! (must be because they are Western?)" And then THIS government goes and ask them for more money!!! But don't worry, WE HAVE TAX PAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Pitty they are asked to leave though?"????????

      Sylvia - 2012-01-22 01:38

      Delusions of grandeur for sure.

  • Greg - 2012-01-21 14:50

    It's only taxpayers money,it's there to be spent.How can you expect our esteemed president to fly on a commercial airline?It's not like we have starving children who need to be fed!

  • Trevor - 2012-01-21 15:02

    Just now someone spills whisky on his suit in the SAA plane and gets a fine again

  • Charmaine - 2012-01-21 15:05

    WOW! How many wives does he want? Who is the real First Lady, A leader has only one wife, all men have only one wife. But the Planes.. our taxes here....

      Mike - 2012-01-21 15:51

      @Charmaine: Wait, the "third" shadow plane is still on it's way back!

  • John - 2012-01-21 15:07

    Sounds like the whole ANC family flew to New York to spend money stolen from the South Africa People? Anc = Association of National Criminals, Abortion Murder Genocide. Destroying South Africa since 1957.

      Ronald - 2012-01-21 20:28

      This sounds more of a trip to go and deposit ill gotten gains. No paper trail to banks except that related to the aircraft. Makes you think, doesn't it. While we are bitching about the first two aircraft the third does the real business while we are distracted. Would love to see the customs documents generated at the points of arrival. Perhaps an enterprising journalist in the USA will check up on this after the possibility was brought up. I have an idea there might be a transfer of assets taking place as certain high placed officials have figured out that they might not be in power for too long.

  • J.D. - 2012-01-21 15:20

    Absolutely disgusting what these corrupt people are able to do. The following issue wil be: Who was the passengers?

      Max - 2012-01-21 15:56

      JD, it doesn't matter who they were, Zuma paid for their expenses from his own pocket....get with the program. haha

      Albert - 2012-01-21 17:33

      So Max,show us some proof.Were you a passenger?

      Max - 2012-01-21 18:14

      @Albert, yes I think I saw Zuma take out his wallet when we stopped to fill up the planes and again at the hotel....oh yes, and when the little zumies wanted some ice cream as well. You want proof of what exactly?

      Ronald - 2012-01-21 20:30

      Max, I think you are right as Zuma sees the SA treasury as his personal piggy bank.

  • Sinudeity - 2012-01-21 15:32

    TWO backup planes?! So, whenever Jacob flies oversees, he uses THREE planes?! F***ING ridiculous.

      david.streicher - 2012-01-21 16:32

      But it is common knowledge - there has to be an extra with blue lights and another to intimidate traffic.

  • Phill - 2012-01-21 15:33

    This is becoming a banana republic. Two planes (or three as Maynier)says is clearly adding unnnecessary burden to the fiscus. What with Zuma's ever inctreasing family.I've no doubt that the other planes were carrying Mr Delivery's children.

  • Max - 2012-01-21 15:34

    Yes, and after she has explained the purpose of the other two planes she can also explain why it was necessary to first lie about the second plane and then to lie about the third plane. If they believe that the stories they cook up now was actual valid reasons for the two additional planes why the lying? I think we are witnessing the pits of stupidity with this whole media blunder...they are to stupid to even lie properly.

      Pdevillet - 2012-01-21 20:45

      never believe anything from a government until it has be officially denied

  • Larry - 2012-01-21 15:37

    A planned shopping trip to the big Apple, for his Wives no doubt. No worry about us, we will pay the bills. Sheesh I have had enough of these lying cheating crooks.

  • denise.wilshire - 2012-01-21 15:38

    There goes our credibility again. First deny it then try and lie your way out of it and then and only then try and spin it to your gullible public. Howzat! for a responsible honest open government? And now we watch and wait for the news on South Africa's proposed newest purchase. Shall we open the betting now. Destroyer or no Destroyer?

  • Aubrey - 2012-01-21 16:01


  • Wendy - 2012-01-21 16:16

    yet ... they can't supply hundreds of people with clean running water or electricity or sewerage .. the basics .. amazing leadership!

  • Dex - 2012-01-21 16:48

    Isn't it clear? They stuck blue lights onto the other two planes to make sure slower planes got out of the flight path of the presidential plane.

      Samantha Stevens - 2012-01-21 17:30


  • Buti - 2012-01-21 16:52

    He's a father who doesn't used his brain or common sense for purpose reason. Always people think for him whether it's right or wrong he can't see because he's dull.

  • Kogie - 2012-01-21 17:04

    why all the fuss? south africa is plenty rich. just this morning i heard on the radio that one r.d.p. house cost R8 million and the govt. paid that amount out to the contractor. the only time there is no money is when the doctors and teachers want more. no money for hospitals, policing school toilets, extra class rooms. how the hell does the anc manipulate south africans to vote for them?

  • Kwena - 2012-01-21 17:18

    is this another case by the media ongly zuma knows during his speech in mangaung he fail to pronounce antiapartheid he said aunti apartheid zuma do us a favour go back to school and leave this country to the interllect

      Deon - 2012-01-25 15:16

      Say What?

  • Julio - 2012-01-21 17:27

    And just extactly what will the two shadow planes do if the president's plane has some mechanical malfunction? Will they stop on the side od the road and move the passengers into one of the other two planes? One can see that the transport minister did his training overseeing taxis.

  • lee.farrington - 2012-01-21 17:37

    Who actually cares who owns up, its not like anything will be done to this person, not even a slap on the wrists. Until the GOVERNMENT is held accountable for all of their wasteful spending, Joe Public must just grin and bear it.

  • Eduard - 2012-01-21 19:07

    yes yes...spend the money is growing on trees...

  • Elkieta - 2012-01-21 19:22

    Sisulu is a liar.She is ANC.They were all born with this very bad gene.

  • Andre - 2012-01-21 20:04

    What News24 should explain is, what is a Boeng?

  • paullombard17 - 2012-01-21 20:10

    @The-Azanian... methinks you are a s#*tstirrer, everytime you publish your poison, its always to be super controversial and you never have an objective point of, pro-this and pro-that, I just think you are some dude that has no life, probably a troll that likes to stir up cr@p and steal our commentary is warmly welcome but your drivel belongs in some very cheap Mills & Boon book.No doubt.

  • trix.duvenage - 2012-01-21 20:13

    I can answer the DA on this one: The ANC management allowed for a second plane because they are the ruling party and they dont have to give account to anybody for what they do. They waste million times more then the probable R10mil rand it costed to fly the TWO planes instead of one but so what? Since when has ANYTHING the DA wants answers for lead to ANYTHING in the past? So, why question the ANC? Can you not understand that it is a waste of breath to question the ANC??

      trix.duvenage - 2012-01-21 20:29

      This is so frustrating one wants to puke.... The problem in this country is [and I think this is the main problem all over on planet Earth]that politically spoken, the MASSES decide who or what runs the country. In our instance, the 'masses' are the people who do not even READ the papers, or watch television, or listen to the radio. In other words they are IGNORANT to the actual state this country is in due to ill management. All they do is make their crosses on election day WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING what they let themselves in for. Hence a ruling party that only needs to to enhance FEAR if people do not vote for them and IGNORANCE will do the rest. By the time this country is developed enough for EVERYBODY to have acces to the media and everybody to be wise enough to understand that the heavens will not fall on them if they vote anywhere else than ANC, the next 'death star' will most probably be due to destroy the Earth. This my dear friends is the unfortunate truth about our 'rainbow land' and we as individuals can do sweet f***all about it. All we can do is to get rid of our frustrations on these little forums and meanwhile cross our fingers that somebody does not decide to put a stop to us as well. [Like they did with the media reporters] So...lets swear and discriminate like hell while we have the freedom to do so....

  • Ronald - 2012-01-21 20:31

    This sounds more of a trip to go and deposit ill gotten gains. No paper trail to banks except that related to the aircraft. Makes you think, doesn't it. While we are bitching about the first two aircraft the third does the real business while we are distracted. Would love to see the customs documents generated at the points of arrival. Perhaps an enterprising journalist in the USA will check up on this after the possibility was brought up. I have an idea there might be a transfer of assets taking place as certain high placed officials have figured out that they might not be in power for too long.

  • mikuyu - 2012-01-21 20:48

    There is nothing wrong with the shadow plane if the other plane was not in better condition. Zuma represent us all South Africans. I would be embarrassed if the presidential plane broke down on the way.

      Wolf - 2012-01-21 21:15

      the mind boggles with such an asinine comment. Nuff said.

      Polotic - 2012-01-21 21:32

      @Wolf - I agree!

      Henri James Christie - 2012-01-21 22:27

      He represents you, all aircraft are supposed to be be 100% serviceable before takeoff, not taxi standards. Bulls@₮t explanation from zumas croneys

      Spyker - 2012-01-21 23:57

      Indeed Wolf - it is only matched by the fatuous demeanour, of the inane cargo that took THREE aircraft, half-way across the planet...

      gbbfg - 2012-01-22 12:22

      It's incredible to think that there are people like mikuyu who think like this.

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-01-21 21:59

    Love to hear the ludicrous explanation for this squandering of public money.

  • wellington.chagonda - 2012-01-22 02:44

    i deserve it,with threats from......,and.........,and as president with so many responsibilties{,.....wives,....cousins,and........(the nation at large)}

  • dhuysamen1 - 2012-01-22 06:18

    Now now, do not be so petty with our many-wifed el presidento and his so-called "government". The second plane was following so Bra Zuma and his entourage could step over into it in mid-flight in case the repaired one failed or got a flat tire or something. Plane was probably fixed by the same guys that "fix" all these little mobile coffins they fondly refer to as "taxis". These pieces of trash are now running second only to Aids as a means of attempting to limit the population explosions.

  • Elaine - 2012-01-22 07:52

    Was it not possible that a regular SAA flight could make a stop for the President instead of spending those millions?

  • Robsschele - 2012-01-22 08:32

    Sounds to me like Monk's level checking level. The second plane is there should the first one give problems and then a third plane should the second also give problems. I mean it's just logic. If one can give problems then another one can give problems also. That's why Zuma has so many wifes as well. Always a back-up to fall back on.

  • Jacqui - 2012-01-22 10:33

    Sisulu despise the DA and thus will refuse again to answer the questions. She thinks she is above the law.

  • Johnnie - 2012-01-22 16:01

    Who did the bookings for Zuma that they were so close to each other that this sort of fiasco happens.Did the Air Force load a spare helicopter too? I do not suppose the real story will ever come out, because Carlo Gagiano says one story and Mabaya says another - one of them forgot what the real story was.Gagiano was a different man before he resigned.

  • Johnnie - 2012-01-22 16:13

    The time has come for Zuma and his government to go to Europe and see how many FIRSTWORLD countries have an aeroplane just for the president- but in Africa every black nation that can afford it has one,and if he can afford it- two. To hell with the people who has to pay for it. In South Africa the Chief of the Air Force says it will be a big blot on South Africa if the President does arrive on time for the appointment,well the world is really laughing at this debacle.

  • Mike Bosman - 2012-01-22 18:17

    Where the clown goes the circus follows. Does he actually understand anything in the un or is it just a jolly.

  • Andries - 2012-01-23 07:51

    And has the plural of aircraft now become aircrafts in ANC English? Two sheep now are two sheeps. A flock of sheeps is leading the country.

  • Deon - 2012-01-25 15:02

    To Squeegee: Of course the realise that they can not hide it, they just obviously don't care!

  • Deon - 2012-01-25 15:13

    To GBBFG: The key-word here is 'think'

      Charms - 2012-06-29 16:05

      Sorry to disappoint Deon, not many thinkers out there...didnt you know? A problem the world over....still waiting for the magic cure!

  • dianne.neyt - 2012-06-29 16:12

    Yes, please explain. The truth would be nice for once instead of all the cr*p you usually try to feed the taxpayer! OH, I forgot, ANC does not know or understand truth!

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