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DA Suzman, Mandela pamphlet angers ANC

2013-04-18 11:01

Cape Town - A DA pamphlet showing former president Nelson Mandela and activist Helen Suzman embracing has angered the ANC, it was reported on Thursday.

ANC Western Cape leader Marius Fransman told the Cape Times the pamphlet, which was part of the "Know your DA" campaign, was a "cynical and opportunistic exercise in propaganda".

He said the party should not have used either of the leaders, as neither were ever members of the DA.

"It is debatable whether or not her [Suzman's] role can be claimed as revolutionary. More importantly, of having any bearing on the values of the [Democratic Alliance] as a party today," he said.

The pamphlet shows the pair embracing, with the wording: "We played our part in opposing apartheid". It refers to Suzman (an anti-apartheid activist who died in 2009) as a "DA founder".

Suzman was a member of the Progressive Party which became the Progressive Federal Party and later merged with other parties to become the DA.

The DA's communications director Gavin Davis told the newspaper it had every right to use the image and to take ownership of Suzman's role in ending apartheid.

"The values she stood for are defended and promoted by the DA today.... Nelson Mandela is a global icon and national hero. He is not the property of any political party."

 

 

Comments
  • Barney Dino - 2013-04-18 11:07

    Dear Fransman...... at least the DA uses pamphlets, and doesn't wait to stand at gravesides of dead people to trumpet their political agendas and stupid rhetoric. So grow a pair and go rub yourself in the little boys room.

      Desilusionada - 2013-04-18 11:21

      And the DA at least publicly proclaim against apartheid and for a non-racist society. Fransman could not care, as he is a racist. ANC perpetuates racism. By law and by example.....

      procold2 - 2013-04-18 11:28

      good one da, the cANCer are not creative enough

      DeAndre Sosa - 2013-04-18 11:32

      The DA and ANC reminds me of my ex towards the end of our relationship! I am starting to lose respect for both over these petty fights! One is busy complaining about socialites (Kenny Kunene) and the other is complaining about a picture of Mandela. These are Tabloit stories, can you do some work and leave petty politics!!.Can you focus on important things please!!

      Ralph Higgo - 2013-04-18 11:34

      Twas funnier when ancyl.co.za directed to dayouth.org.za

      Renny Meere - 2013-04-18 11:54

      Why is SA so political? I'm so sick off all these racial politics, I'm black and I'm right, I'm white and I'm right.... blah blah blah. Cant we just get along without all these politics?

      Renaldo Gouws - 2013-04-18 12:12

      Deandre Sosa - The DA merely posted a pamphlet detailing info about them, please tell me where in that pamphlet are they arguing or blaming anyone?

      Ralph Higgo - 2013-04-18 12:17

      Just you wait, the ANC is apparently recruiting "Clever Blacks" as they put it.

      Rob Coomber - 2013-04-18 12:21

      Good observation....then they sing 'Kill the Boer' and another few farm families are slaughtered, or unhappy workers are shot. Good grief they are worse than the apartheid regime which was at least not hypocritical in their intentions.

      SQ - 2013-04-18 12:46

      ANC-run council in chaos - Fransman 2013-03-20 10:20 115 comments Western Cape ANC leader Marius Fransman has admitted that the ANC-run Cederberg municipality is in chaos, a report says.

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 12:47

      The ANC will definitely not like this at all because it completely destroys the current image they are trying so hard to create, that being that DA is full of white racists who want apartheid back. Back at the ranch of course, nothing could be further from the truth, and this picture shows that. But oh boy, the racists are not going to pleased at all.

      Vaughan - 2013-04-18 12:59

      And when the ANC continually claim that Suzman was a member of the ANC what do they expect the DA to do?

      arjen - 2013-04-18 13:00

      "More importantly, of having any bearing on the values of the [Democratic Alliance] as a party today" Made me laugh as I'm not sure how much current values of the ANC is shared with Mandela either!

      Ralph Higgo - 2013-04-18 13:10

      When last did you see a photo of Jacob Zuma hugging a white woman? I rest my case.

      Silvia Van Eck - 2013-04-18 13:18

      Ralph Higgo, Why would any intelligent woman want to hug Zuma? Ewww...

      MagdaKus - 2013-04-18 13:48

      And what the ANC is saying according to this article says more about the good things ANC in NOT than anything negative about DA...

      paul.kershaw.18 - 2013-04-18 14:59

      Yeah Tshepo, the DA is bad news indeed --- for the ANC.

      Jimmy Walls - 2013-04-18 15:15

      Hey Tshepo Phasha. Ga-Phasha, Limpopo needs DA to save it.

      Masta Freeze - 2013-04-18 16:00

      Do you have a spare pair? If you do please lend him and also show him how to rub as you seem to know a lot about that.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-18 17:53

      Alicialouise: A minor correction to what you have said as I was there when Helen S's lone stand against apartheid ended. Tony Leon was not the only person elected in the early 70's - Prof van Zyl Slabbert was another one of 5 who squeaked in by 290 votes in the Wynberg District of Cape Town. Colin Eglin was also there and there were people like Donald Woods and members of the Black Sash all over the country such as Molly Blackburn. In addition there were also black and coloured people whose names Helen mentioned in the speech which the ANC is upset about because it is indisputable truth. The nmedia have only published a small part of the speech which was given I think in Alexandra and in which Helen Z. who was the journalist who exposed how Steve Biko died was dispelling the myth that the DA would bring back apartheid. It was a history lesson on where our Constitution of today came from and a statement that the policies of the DA were very similar to that of the ANC then and now and adopted at CODESA. The ANC do not want this to become common knowledge because they are running scared. The DA has remained true to its ideals of the past 50 years of freedom and equality and opportunity for whoever deserves and has earned it whilst the ANC relies heavily on "Struggle" and comrades equally eager to loot the coffers of the Treasury at the expense of the brainwshed ignorant voters. The tide is turning however and I am hopeful of a wake up call in 2014.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-04-18 19:53

      Only those who do not know the history of the DP will oppose this poster. Like old Fransie, rather than educating himself he let people get killed in order for him to have a platform to spew his ignorance and racism. He is the lowest the anc can sink to.

      Philip Johnson - 2013-04-18 22:28

      Anything that irritates the ANC, pleases me no end.

  • Neil Jansen van Vuuren - 2013-04-18 11:08

    Good one DA

  • Ricardo da Costa - 2013-04-18 11:09

    The pamphlet shows unity. The ANC are being cry babies. Build a bridge, fools. Work on making South Africa better.

      Alexandra Du Toit - 2013-04-18 11:48

      "build a bridge"...this implies the ANC can actually do something positive

      David Robert Flack - 2013-04-18 12:03

      ''Build a bridge'' - Ricardo that takes skill, skills that the ANC simply do not posess. They cant a) get over the past and b) physically build a brige.

      Bones Mathambo - 2013-04-18 12:48

      Unity my black behind

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 12:50

      Unity is not what they want as it will destroy their corrupt criminal government. There will not be any bridge building - you can count on it.

      ChrisG29 - 2013-04-18 13:07

      And if you build a bridge, the ANC will build a toll on it.

      Steven Herselman - 2013-04-18 14:21

      @Bones, you are absolutely right bones, there will be no unity, with unity there must be transparency and the ANC is so corrupt and blinded by greed that they wont accept any kind of unity. But wait bones, once the ANC lose internal unity and the fingers start pointing, the ANC will implode....And this I guarantee, you just sit back and watch. O and keep voting ANC, the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-18 18:36

      Alexandro we live in hopes you know.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-18 18:39

      Don't you want unity Bones? Are you a Malema wannabe perhaps? Zuma will put down anyone who doesn't want to play dirty because he has no choice. He played dirty himself and he has to stop certain people from letting the cat out of the bag.

      Barry Fritz - 2013-06-10 13:47

      in order to build that bridge , they would first have to institute an investigation team to investigate the feasibility @ great cost no doubt, then they would put it out for tender, again another anc cadre would win this, cost would be charged @ say 1 mil to build , but because he won the tender it would cost 10 mil. then here comes the joke , when the bridge is found to be of poor quality they will once again institute a commission of enquiry into the shoddy work man ship, names will be thrown around. the people investigating this bridge will earn huge amounts of money, the bridge will once again be torn down and rebuilt @ an additional cost, and once is it built correctly ,the report will blame apartheid for the fiasco

      Attie Stone - 2013-06-10 14:58

      What's truly amazing is that the poster is actually an advert for unity, yet the anc sees fit to try belittle what it stands for. They say the camera doesn't lie....here you see it. It happened.

  • FarmerJoe - 2013-04-18 11:11

    2014, cANCer will be beaten

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:29

      Don't think they will be beaten, but they surely will be hurt. And they may lose Gauteng once their poor loyal supporters realise the effect of e-toll on their food prices.

      KASI4LYF - 2013-04-18 13:51

      @Farmerjoe, dont be fooled by this website, ANC supporters r on the streets and working hard for this country out there. You should also be doing your bit farming out there too. Unfortunately 2014 will be decided by the majority out there not beaten on this da website

      konanani.rachicoper - 2013-04-18 14:16

      Honestly if you go to many places in the country and say that,people will laugh.

      Steven Herselman - 2013-04-18 14:23

      @KASI4LYF, you just keep farming that A grade BS.

  • Kyle Davidow - 2013-04-18 11:14

    The ANC are upset because the truth is being told about the DA. ANC can't spread lies anymore!

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:29

      Exactly. There is only so many lies and piles of propaganda they can spread. Eventually even the most loyal person will get annoyed and see right through it.

  • FerretGee - 2013-04-18 11:16

    The truth of what Helen Suzman did is not in keeping with the history that the ANC wants the masses to hear. They also forget that Zille herself was a staunch anti-apartheid activist and was vocal in trying to help uncover the truth around the death of Steve Biko.

      Tasmee Hylkema - 2013-04-18 12:15

      The truth is inconvenient to the blind!

      Attie Stone - 2013-04-18 18:30

      They know perfectly well Zille's role against apartheid. They're afraid of that truth weakening them slightly so perpetuate the lies & rhetoric to keep their supporters blind to the fact that there were whites that opposed the apartheid policies of the NP.....How many times have you heard someone in the anc leadership speak well of any white person? That's why this poster concerns them. It goes against the popular view that whites are all supposed to be racist.

  • Jaz - 2013-04-18 11:19

    Lol. If you have ever heard Fransman speak, you would understand how pointless it is to argue with the man. There are malfunctions in the receptive and processing parts of his brain...and the anal wiring is plugged into his verbal connector.

      Amber Rancic - 2013-04-18 12:13

      What's that saying about never arguing with an idiot? ;-)

  • BrettDentonHarvey - 2013-04-18 11:19

    funny the ANC should be angry about using Mandela, I seem to remember them rolling him out in a wheelchair a couple of days before the last elections, try to milk him for all the votes they could...

  • Melvin Palmer - 2013-04-18 11:20

    Really now? Really? ...people must just grow up. Nelson Mandela does not belong to the ANC exclusively

  • Warwick Railton - 2013-04-18 11:20

    It's all about unity, togetherness, with each other’s help, we can build, prosper etc. etc. something the anc detests - the anc thrives on hate, lies & deceit - divide & conquer tactics. The anc is a failed terrorist organization that never WON any freedom, it was handed to them right so with good will and they are so ashamed of that fact, it eats them and they have no real hero’s to call on. The anc is a hate organization now, no better than ZANU PF.

  • Martin Brink - 2013-04-18 11:21

    It seems, just as governments can and do change history to suit their particular packet of ideals, political parties now too can whitewash that part of their history they are not too particularly proud of. Just as some of the electorate we, twice,chose to believe in and vote for have betrayed us and everything the party stood for has come to be part of another big business oriented stable... Politics just seem to be a bunch of wishy washy liars looking for our money - except for HZ, who stands like Mrs Thatcher, head and shoulders above the crowd.

      Mark Barker - 2013-04-19 10:19

      HZ is certainly not in Margaret Thatcher's league

      Martin Brink - 2013-04-19 18:20

      Mark :) Can't really argue that she isn't standing head and shoulders above the current political baggage, can you? I simply stated that like Mrs Thatcher, she is far above the rest of what SA has on offer.

  • Werner Nel - 2013-04-18 11:22

    Shame ANC....Booohooo

  • Bronwyn Pywell - 2013-04-18 11:26

    Can the ANC even spell propaganda without help?

  • Graham Leslie Hurlstone-jones - 2013-04-18 11:27

    This poster epitomises peace and understanding.....What does revolutionary have to do with it ? Good luck ANC, put Winnie and Fransman on your poster....

      Attie Stone - 2013-04-18 18:47

      No, for peace and understanding.....winnie & Stompie

  • Sthembiso Jali - 2013-04-18 11:33

    shame Da - i don't realy blame them on this stunt. They have no revolutionalists in their short history so would grab anyone's face who seem to apearl with their entranged image.

      FarmerJoe - 2013-04-18 11:39

      that's where you are wrong sunshine, the DA is the revolution; your corrupt fat cat cANCer is the establishment the Tzar's will fall

      Sthembiso Jali - 2013-04-18 11:53

      farmerjoe- the Da, revolution ? Suka wena- those two can't fit in one sentence.

      FarmerJoe - 2013-04-18 12:13

      @jali; i have no doubt that you do suka weena. but you just put them in one sentence. you get 33% my limpopo grad

      Michael Wilson - 2013-04-18 12:21

      Perhaps it's time to forget the 'revolution' and focus on the reality a bit.

      Tasmee Hylkema - 2013-04-18 12:26

      What revolution are these people talking about?? Cry me a river, we are in the 21st century and these morons are still using words like revolutionary?? Give a frigging break, sick to death of ignorant idiots every day with their uninformed comments spewing forth the vile fed to them by their beloved ANC. Go get an education, apart from the one your party has given you!!!!!!!!!

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:15

      Why do we need "revolutionists" (sic)? We need "visionalists"!

      Jimmy Don - 2013-04-18 14:00

      @ Sthembiso AKA numbskull , I always find it very entertaining when the comrades talk about revolution this and revolution that, why don’t you try to add a new word to your limited vocabulary like PROGRESSION!”

  • Gary5 - 2013-04-18 11:36

    Silly little anc idiots. helen was a member of the progressive party which evolved to the DA ? So if you not a member of the party you cannot use a pic of a person from another party??Idiots. Its what Mandela said of her and the DA is obviously entitled to repeat it like anyone elde could. ANC just spends our money and taxpayers time on their silly funeral tirades

  • Letlhogonolo Magasa - 2013-04-18 11:39

    It is such a credit to the ANC that the DA has chosen to take such a narrow approach. I have heard Helen Zille praise Madiba's legacy before and I am not suprised to see her taking this route. However it is an open secret that the ANC made Nelson Mandela. No one man is bigger than the ANC. Nelson Mandela used to work closely with the likes of George Bizos to communicate with the leaders of the ANC who were in exile (The Thambos'in Harare, Lusaka, etc).. He would never take any decision regarding the struggle by himself because he was imprisoned. The ANC propped up Madiba's stature by continuing to campaign for his release and he also played his part by not bending over backwards on his stance for ending of apartheid because he knew he had the support of the masses and was going to die a hero. Credit to Nelson Mandela cannot go without credit to the ANC. South Africa was not liberated by Nelson Mandela alone but by the ANC led struggle alliance with other smaller groups like the PAC, UDF and more minority groups. A credit to former president of the ANC is a credit to the ANC. Madiba is a product of the ANC political school. The ANC can take that pamphlet and use it to show that the DA is actually in support of what the ANC has achieved through people like Madiba and the likes of Oliver Thambo etc.. Founders of the ANC and current members will be proud to see this pamphlet.

      FarmerJoe - 2013-04-18 11:45

      Riddle me this chuckles?? Does Mandela still run the ANC or has it become a cANCer cesspit run by thugs and theiving corrupt ninconpoops?? current members are not proud to see this pamphlet as they look in the mirror and see the NP looking back

      Jaz - 2013-04-18 11:48

      Open secret indeed.

      Jaz - 2013-04-18 11:52

      ...and the ANC did not "liberate" SA. We had a referendum and voted for change because we wanted to play test rugby again. You're just being silly.

      Grant Logan - 2013-04-18 12:06

      "The ANC doesnt have to do anything for 2014". Unfortunately this is too true. Just look at all the people from the other provinces illegally invading land here in the Western Cape. Obviously the ANC hasnt done anything for them in those provinces hence moving to Cape Town, a DA run province.

      MysticBoer - 2013-04-18 12:39

      Letlhogonolo you are absolutely correct, Mandela was and is a product of the ANC, but I'm sure you must agree that the ANC of today is not the same as the ANC of Mandela you AND I voted for back in the days. We were all proud of Mandiba and had high hopes for the ANC to heal our society. The pamphlet shows a time when we were enthusiastic about the future of SA and worked together for the better good of all, black and white. The democratic transformation our country underwent was undoubtably a concerted effort by all involved and not only the effort of the ANC. If it wasn't so things would have turned out MUCH worse.

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:02

      On the contrary, without Nelson Mandela the ANC would have been nothing which is pretty much what they are right now - nothing but a power hungry band of petty thieves who unfortunately are in power.

      David Baker - 2013-04-18 14:23

      Sure credit to Mandela rubs off on the ANC. Of course almost everyone gives credit to Mandela. To deny him credit is stupid But question - If, as you say, this pamphlet helps the ANC why is Fransman getting so upset? Are you wrong or is he dumb? BTW - For Fransman to deny Suzman's anti-apartheid stance is laughable

      ronnymakgaola.selota - 2013-04-18 14:42

      The notion is clear here on this forum that anything that has to do with freedom fighters is not supported coz of the indoctrination of the past system to majority of commentators. CHANGE IS PAIN.

      Bart Onderweegs - 2013-04-18 17:25

      But I agree. Problem is, the ANC as I got to know it when Mandela was leading it, has nothing to do with the selective club it has become today. The DA is closer to that 'old' ANC as the current ANC is.

      Niki Miller - 2013-04-18 17:47

      @Letlhogonolo, in a lot of respects yr comments r correct the ANC leaders the likes of Oliver Tambo, Govan Mbeki, Walter Sisulu, etc were noble men, selfless and trying to help their people and they all contributed. However bare in mind two things. There were others that made contributions and they were Indian, Coloured and White. Secondly the ANC leaders of the past were NEVER in the same category as many of the current leaders. Its an insult to mention them in the same sentence.

      Logic - 2013-04-19 16:55

      You are wrong Magasa, it was the parties that would later form the DA that lobbied for the end of apartheid. it was the DA that made mandela

      Jenny Nel - 2013-04-20 16:08

      Nelson Mandela is about as far removed from the anc now as it is possible to be. He and the old guard (Oliver Tambo, Robert Sibukwe, Steve Biko) made the anc, not the other way around, and the current anc elite spit in those noble gentlemens' faces with their immorality, racism, corruption and rampant greed. Dont you see this? The anc of the old days were assisted to a great extent by people like Helen Suzman. The anc of today is a disgrace, an embarrassment, a burden.

  • sxp - 2013-04-18 11:44

    How is the truth cynical?

      Knae Craduoce - 2013-04-18 11:50

      How is the truth not cynical?

  • Dennie Du Preez - 2013-04-18 11:45

    Shame!!! How petty are these anc people.

  • Blou Boer - 2013-04-18 11:45

    C'mon CancER. With the great job you claim to do in this country. This shouldnt affect your popularity.

  • Willie - 2013-04-18 11:45

    @Fransman chooses to forget history and resort to cheap politiking, no political party has monopoly of history of this country

  • Sir-Themba Radebe - 2013-04-18 11:48

    What bull is this? How dare they use him like this? Mandela is ANC, founding member of the ANCYL and Unkhonto weSizwe how dare the DA says 'He is not the property of any political party." Global Icon or not...HE REMAINS ANC. Cheap shots DA.

      ThembaRadebe - 2013-04-18 12:14

      Mandela is 94 for goodness sake? you know what happens at that age? memory loss...worrying about politics is not on his mind...

      Nettie Potgieter - 2013-04-18 12:29

      Unfortunate the ANC does not own Mandela and like a good chocalate cake they must shear the cake with the world. Just like the ANC must learn that Jesus don't belong to them and they will not rule until he return.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:17

      You clearly have no idea what Mandela himself said he stood for.

      Ross Macduff - 2013-04-18 13:38

      He may have been a founding member of the ANCYL but look at it now. ANCYL is turning on the ANC.

      Willie - 2013-04-18 14:23

      I've the sense that you did not read what's on the advert. Please stop vuvuzela politics. Madiba said it many times that the struggle against apartheid was the work of the collective from everyone around the world

      Michael Wilson - 2013-04-18 14:45

      But... but... we owns him and he belongs to us forever and ever :( *wibbles

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-18 19:21

      Why are you so scared?

      Jenny Nel - 2013-04-20 16:16

      Themba, Mr Nelson Mandela is a South African. He sacrificed for his country and his people. He belongs to all of us. He may have used a tool called the anc, but he also used his mind, his grace, his integrity, his diplomacy. The anc of today has restored dignity to absolutely no one and has betrayed everything that the struggle against apartheid was about.

  • Knae Craduoce - 2013-04-18 11:48

    Show me a political pamphlet that is not a "cynical and opportunistic exercise in propaganda" and I will show you a pamphlet writer who hasn't done his/her job properly.

  • Nthokolose Puleng Marope - 2013-04-18 11:48

    South Africa is divided n everyday cums a new isue dt divide us even more, dn't u tink is high tim all South African (politians, society, churches n busineses) get 2gethr 2 wok on a solution dt cn unite us? De fact is we'll all ve dferent views on politics, religion n social lif bt de is no point of hatin each ada.

      Candiese Marnewick - 2013-04-18 11:55

      Well said. In all honesty I don't care who runs the country - as long as it is done properly which at the moment is not happening. And at the end of the day - are we not all wanting to achieve the same goal??

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-04-18 13:40

      agreed!

      Ross Macduff - 2013-04-18 13:54

      Well the ANC have done nothing to bridge the gap in SA with blaming the past government (nearly 20 years later) for issues the ANC have brought on themselves. Blaming the past government they are only make the gap larger and making it hard to bridge that gap.

  • Njabz - 2013-04-18 11:50

    Strangely the DA supporters keep talking about Hellen Zille, Helen Suzman as former anti-apartheid activists but the question is who are these followers/supporters? What role did these supporters/followers themselves stand/stood for? From what I read on the comments on this site is that they are racists to the core. And this racism is in direct contrast to what Zille and Suzman (whom they worship as their ex-apartheid activists) apparently stood for Who can better identify the apartheid activists than the victims of apartheid themselves. As one of the victims, I can safely declare that the Zille/Suzman contribution to end apartheid was close to nothing. Our people were dying whilst they were dining with the Nats in the apartheid parliament (with all the benefits apartheid had to offer them)

      Charl Malan - 2013-04-18 11:55

      How old are you?

      FarmerJoe - 2013-04-18 12:06

      "who are these followers/supporters" South African apartheid referendum, 1992 (Yes. 1,924,186. 68.73% ) google DP. just because a person hates the cANCer doesn't mean they hate blacks, beside i was under the impression that the cANCer was a party for all, or was that just a lie to the indian and coloured voters

      Amber Rancic - 2013-04-18 12:20

      You do realise that Helen Zille was the journalist who uncovered the murder of Steve Biko in prison? And that for years, Helen Suzman was the only politician in parliament who opposed apartheid and tried numerous times to introduce legislation and policies that would overturn apartheid laws? Read some history before you mouth off.

      Tasmee Hylkema - 2013-04-18 12:32

      Amber, history does not concern people whose views are blinded by only what has been fed to them by their propaganda machine!

      Tersia Louw - 2013-04-18 12:37

      Under Mandela, I believed the ANC was a party for all, and voted for them. Now, however, I don't believe they are a party for all South Africans; under Zuma they've become more and more racial and divisive. My vote cannot, in good faith, go to the ANC any more; it would be like voting for the Nats in negative...

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:07

      Njabz - good grief you truly have a severe case of the propagandaritus. Many of us were indeed involved in small ways and some in huge ways, and the majority of whites from all parties gave FW the mandate to change and abolish apartheid. Does this sound like they are "racist to the core"? What a stupid comment, revealing of course so clearly that you indeed are the racist pig in this story.

      Keg - 2013-04-18 13:08

      @Farmer Joe, it is a pity that referendum is so easily forgotten. Convenient for some. Poor Njabz is and will always be stuck in the past and there he will remain for the rest of his life. He is a bigger racist and bigot than many of the white racist clowns on N24

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:18

      It's not about the followers. It's about the leaders. That something you ANC supporters should learn. Very quickly.

      Rohin - 2013-04-18 13:41

      and now our people are dying while our president resides in comfort at Nkandla.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-04-18 13:50

      @ Njabz Take that ANC education of yours and do the following: Step 1: Open up a web browser Step 2: Have a look at http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/helen-zille Step 3: Have a look at http://www.sahistory.org.za/people/helen-suzman The ANC want you to believe that all us white people are racist and pro apartheid. The reality is... we are not all racists as much as you want us to be. The saddening truth is that day by day it seems black africans are racists. I know is probably hard to be anything else at this point in time, but maybe try.. wisdom is priceless

      Ross Macduff - 2013-04-18 14:09

      Njabz. You clearly don't understand what is happening now. Does Zuma not enjoy fine dining in his huge house with all his wives well the people he claims he fought for and now serves are still homeless and dying? He spends millions of tax payers money on his own private residents, money that could have been used on feeding the people. So I put it to you Njabz why is Cape Town the only place is SA where you get service delivery?

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-04-18 15:44

      Njabz. Well I spend many years in exile fighting for your freedom. I don't suppose that is good enough either.

      Njabz - 2013-04-18 16:50

      You guys know nothing about the struggle. Just because Zille wrote a little article about Steve Biko, that makes her your struggle hero. Go on calling her yo hero but definitely not mine.

      Rohin - 2013-04-18 17:22

      @Njabz i think you know about as much as we do about the struggle - first hand that is. It's a pity that a young person as yourself still chooses to live with their head in the sand. Sadly to the detriment of those who lived through the struggle only to come out at the other end to a struggle imposed by the very people that promised to help them.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-18 19:36

      How old are you? Were you around in 1959 for example? It took considerable courage to stand against the National Party if you were white. Mandela is an icon today in part because the national party allowed him to live thanks to Bizos and because of that they gave the ANC a figurehead to rally around. It speaks volumes for the man that he emerged conciliatory in 1994 but he was old. Contrary to what the ANC like to put about the so called liberation was not due to their brilliance at all but to a combination of factors including sanctions by major world players and growing resistance from within lead by people like Helen Suzman and the descendents and followers of the now DA who never supported apartheid and took the trouble to vote and persuade others to do so when De Klerk overthrew Die Krokodil. I did not give up my right to emigrate so that I could watch the abahlale be starved and denied the rights that we believed we were fighting for by their own greedy out of touch and incompetent representatives. I will vote for Mamphele in a heartbeat WHEN she actually launches her party and manifesto and IF I believe enough disillusioned ANC men and women will support her and prevent Zuma getting his 2/3rds. She has left it very late however so I'm going to have to weigh up my options very carefully. The current ANC are not the people I fought for as long as they continue to believe that the people serve them and have no right to object to what they do with their taxes.

      Attie Stone - 2013-04-18 20:05

      Seems like more of 'your people' are being murdered by their own in the new free S Africa than by the Nats. You also seem to forget it is the present government that has incorporated the hated NP leader into their party. So the dining is still taking place but Nats with the Anc now

      Tersia Louw - 2013-04-18 23:05

      Eish, Njabz, you were a victim then, I get that. What I don't get is that you've chosen to stay a victim as evidenced by your close-to-rabid racism. Yeah, Helen Zille had to go into hiding because of her close-to-nothing contribution to ending apartheid. Jeez, dude, enough already.

  • Amber Rancic - 2013-04-18 11:50

    "It is debatable whether or not her [Suzman's] role can be claimed as revolutionary." What has Fransman been smoking????

      Amber Rancic - 2013-04-18 12:22

      I really wish people would read and investigate a bit before making silly comments.

      Tasmee Hylkema - 2013-04-18 12:33

      Amber, dont waste your time, knowledge is the light, ignorance is dark!

  • Moss Kop - 2013-04-18 11:56

    Shame on u Fransman. Why complain on a pamphlet. The Da have really got u. Stop being stupid. Work and organise. Let us, the masses read and decide on the pamphlet.

      Ross Macduff - 2013-04-18 14:15

      The problem is the masses cannot read because the ANC have made promises to improve the education system but have only destroyed it by lowering pass marks and not even give schools the books they need to teach the children.

  • carel.merwe.7 - 2013-04-18 11:57

    Nice one DA!!

  • warren-rodel - 2013-04-18 11:57

    ANC are way too sensitive, maybe its because of all the tax money that they are stealing!

  • George Manuel Lopez - 2013-04-18 11:58

    Making a noise just to make a noise.you ANC thieves have nothing better to do but to cause crap.so what if Mandela is in their flyer.he is a world icon and people favour him over the zuma clan.he was there to help everyone however the ANC now is there to help their fat wives and to fill their own pockets.

  • Evert van Staaden - 2013-04-18 11:58

    Please tell us what your role entails Mr. Fransman, because all I see from you is spreading hatred and trying to divide communities for your own political gain.

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:10

      Of course this is their agenda - the only way the ANC can survive is to cause a bigger divide between races. That is also why more and more ANC followers are becoming open and blatant racists as you can see on these forums.

  • Mike Clery - 2013-04-18 12:00

    Is Fransman upset that this counters the lie that "the DA will bring back apartheid"? WHO is propagating that lie?

  • Reine Marais - 2013-04-18 12:00

    Why is this so political? Here is a strong Black leader and a strong White leader demonstrating what South Africa can be when RACE is removed from the agenda. When we can get over all this bickering about RACE, we will then be in a position to move forward as a united country. I do think that that is what the DA is trying to say. As the descendant of the only party that ever fought for EVERYONE in South Africa, let's grant both of these people a little grace and a little respect for their united love for our beloved country - South Africa.

      arthur.motsamai - 2013-04-18 12:06

      When you started with i said wow what a unifying comment thumbs up. You dont want me to say what i think about the half part.

  • arthur.motsamai - 2013-04-18 12:00

    They are promoting ANC thats what,who eva is doin their marketing is surely an ANC member,who is taking them for fools they are. Icons are tainted by fly by night 900 000 voters mostly in W.C.

      Nadia Graf - 2013-04-18 12:35

      So if they are promoting ANC, what are you all so made about?

      arthur.motsamai - 2013-04-18 12:53

      Do you have a point!

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-04-18 13:52

      If I were you Arthur I would be worrying about Agang more than the DA right now.... Going to take the ANC from behind and then some... :)

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2013-04-18 12:03

    I see a lot of for and against arguments, but I do not want to dwell on those. It is such a nice picture. It is the 1st time I see it and I like!!! Thinking of it now, that is the way South Africa should be. The picture say it all.

  • Rohin - 2013-04-18 12:03

    Oh the irony .... . More importantly, of having any bearing on the values of the [Democratic Alliance] as a party today," he said. Much like how the current ANC of today shows none of the ethics depicted by the true freedom fighters of its past.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:20

      Hillarious isn't it. Coming from an early 20th century "movement" still clinging to three primary colours, socialism as the only way forward, and terms like "revolution" and "struggle".

  • Benjamin Ndambi - 2013-04-18 12:05

    Ok DA is pushing it now! This is just opportunistic.

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:21

      How are they pushing it? Like the ANC moron in Cape Town who supports e-toll for Cape Tonians but will "fight it to the death" in Gauteng? Where the DA started fighting it even before it starts, and the ANC and Cosatu sat back while it happened here in Gauteng?

  • Brent Bartis - 2013-04-18 12:06

    is madiba only an anc role model or an international role model? Strange that in india, no one party claims the right to ghandi nor does any one part in the usa claim the to martin luther king... but here...

      arthur.motsamai - 2013-04-18 12:20

      Do you have any one known from da or dp!

      Lungile Malumla - 2013-04-18 12:41

      Brent this is not india south africa different moral and values.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-04-18 13:37

      Lungile - you miss the point; Ghandi belongs to all of India and the world, Martin Luther King belongs to all of USA and the world and Madiba belongs to all of South Africa and the world. These were/are great men, with a great legacy, a legacy for the benefit of all. Get it now?

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-21 17:13

      Arthur, tempted as I am to ask whether you have a point let me answer your question.Helen Suzman AND Helen Zille are recognised worldwide by people of considerably more intelligence than yourself as highly competent women who awarded the Late Helen S. various recognition in the form of doctorates and such. Helen Zille was voted as the best Mayor by other mayors of much older and bigger cities than Cape Town. This is because she chooses people with the correct skill sets who actually know how to make a Mandela into 50 Mandela's regardless of their gender or ethnicity. She is human (botox) using her own money not the taxpayers, drives a modest car earns less than the Mayor of Port Elizabeth (an ANC cadre) and epitomises efficiency. She acts immediately to remove anyone in the DA who brings shame upon it unlike Zuma who just moves the crooks around thus achieving even more mess ups. Let us look only at Angie Motshkga whose husband is the whip or a financier of Zuma's enormously expensive harem together with the Shaiks and the Gupta's etc. If Angie had messed up under Zille she would have been history. Zuma needs her money and her vote so there she stays.

  • Tasmee Hylkema - 2013-04-18 12:07

    The ANC can make their own pamphlets with pictures of the NP, since most of the NP has been incorporated into the ANC! Take that Fransman!!

      Charl Malan - 2013-04-18 12:15

      agreed

      Nettie Potgieter - 2013-04-18 12:17

      Lol ditto!

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:21

      Yeah. A picture of Pugface and Verwoerd will look great! Can't wait!

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-04-18 13:53

      wahahaha.... yes didn't your beloved ANC join forces with the NP... I seem to remember/... who are the supporters of Apartheid now

  • Rob Coomber - 2013-04-18 12:10

    Two people with morals and who stood by their words and aspired to do what the DA is fighting for???? How is that cynical??? How cynical is funding Mugabe....that beacon of human rights? ....and denying that the genocide of farmers is politically motivated while Zuma sings 'Kill the Boer'?? This kind of reporting is infantile like a child running with stories to Mommy. Please dig the dirt on the crooks and report that instead of reporting their tribal whimsical uneducated bleating.

  • Martin van Staden - 2013-04-18 12:11

    And of course, the ANC does not use propaganda.

  • Grant Logan - 2013-04-18 12:14

    I honestly can't see the DA using our dear president Jacob (let them eat cake)Zuma on one of their future posters. Is this why Fransman and the rest of the thieves are getting upset over?

  • Nathi Ntshobodwana - 2013-04-18 12:26

    The question is, who will lose what if this pamphlet is left the way it is. Is Mr Fransman implying that Tata was not telling the truth when he often acknowledged Hellen Suzman's involvement in anti-apartheid movement ????.... They must just stop bringing a discord to our political history and start delivering to what Mandela and Suzman stood for.

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:21

      Yes indeed. That's what we need if there is any hope for us at all.

      JMaree - 2013-04-19 09:07

      @Nathi, Every person in this country can and should agree with your statement! Well said!

      ronnymakgaola.selota - 2013-04-20 18:18

      @Nathi goog English, atleast earning likes.

  • arthur.motsamai - 2013-04-18 12:26

    Why dont you use (Madam and Tutu), (they both have big mouths), (both use botox), (both are angry old and grumpy) and (both claim they are holly)! Holly Cows!

      Amber Rancic - 2013-04-18 12:28

      Me thinks obvious troll is obvious.

      Jeremy Arries - 2013-04-18 12:49

      @least they have brains 2 run SA with closed eys, not like 2day's leaders!

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:22

      Name calling won't make the ANC suddenly and magically deliver, you know.

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:23

      Jeremy - That's not true, I often see them running this country with their eyes closed

      Attie Stone - 2013-04-18 20:23

      Hey arthur...You prefer this country run by incompetant thieves and criminals, don't you. Come on tell us your true feelings............Better them than politicians who are seen as competant and accountable.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-21 17:25

      Holly is what you put on a Christmas Cake! Or a girl's name. And Zuma is older than Helen Zille and could use some time in a health spa himself.

  • Charmaine McDonald - 2013-04-18 12:28

    A Beautiful picture.

  • Jacyjay's Letsoalo - 2013-04-18 12:28

    So what? Mandela belongs to the ANC, COPE tried to pull that and they failed. I think this may only be Mandela's fight against the DA because the last time I remember he trademarked his images and signature including the disputed handprints where he went to court. The DA is just doing some cheap politicing, it is like Doctor Khumalo on a Pierats poster and claiming that Doctor Khumalo is a National Asset. All that I know, even Ray Charles Buthelezi also fought for the release of Mandela at some point but I don't see him on the ANC poster. He belongs to the ANC and all I can remember when he was asked what we he do after he dies and this is what he said I will look for an ANC branch... The poster is distasteful, using Madiba's image is an intelectually property infringement and for ur information I am a COPE member but I Love Madiba and am against other parties using Madiba to get support including the embattled COPE

      Nigel Burgess - 2013-04-18 13:26

      No - Madiba transcends any political party and definitely does not 'belong' anyone, especially not the disgusting thing that the ANC has become.

      Michael Wilson - 2013-04-18 16:45

      I really think that the only reason that the DA felt the need to use this image in the first place was in an effort to counter the ANC's relentless and mostly untrue anti-DA propaganda...

      Attie Stone - 2013-04-18 20:26

      The poster is distasteful.......methinks you are slandering the old man by calling a poster depicting what he stands for as distasteful.

  • Pradesh Singh - 2013-04-18 12:28

    ANC - Go cry a River

      Dewald P Montgomery - 2013-04-18 13:24

      Glad that you don't miss the crocs in Congo... I'm sure they miss you though. I hear crocs love racists' meat.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-04-18 13:58

      @Arthur You sir are a racist! Good luck with that

      Michael Wilson - 2013-04-18 16:46

      Let's hope that charmless comment comes back to bite you the next time you try to take yourself seriously on this forum arthur.

  • Eliphus Tha HouseEnthusiast Lamola - 2013-04-18 12:37

    Why does the ANC always cry when good things are recognized to good people?

  • Anna Badenhorst - 2013-04-18 12:38

    A N C Stop worrying about crap,everyone knows what Mandela stands for,you carry on like baby's,sort the mess out in the country that you are causing,you just don't care aboiut anything

  • Dan Gleebits - 2013-04-18 12:40

    Fransman - here's the reality: The current DA has far more moral right to claim the legacy of Suzman than the Zuma ANC with it's corrupt cadres have to associate themselves with the Madiba ideals. Your party came off the "Rainbow Nation" tracks a long time ago and deserves to be consigned to history. You may be surprised how many ex-ANC voters there will be come 2014.