DA prevented from joining e-toll case

2012-08-13 16:43

Johannesburg -The DA has been prevented from joining the Constitutional Court case on the Gauteng e-tolling project, the party said on Monday.

"We were not admitted as friend of the court, and we not really given any reasons," Democratic Alliance MPL Jack Bloom said.

"The full reason as to why we were not allowed to join the case would be given in the court's final judgment."

He said Treasury and SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) had objected to the DA's inclusion because it was a political party.

"They argued that a friend of the court does not side with one side over another."

On Wednesday, the court would hear arguments by Sanral and Treasury on why it should overturn an interim interdict granted by the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on 28 April.

The interdict halted the e-tolling project until a full review was carried out.

Bloom said the DA would stand by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa), who had sought the interdict.

"We support Outa in this case. We will by there on Wednesday to give them moral support."

He said the case was important as it could have "far-reaching consequences" on the court's independence and its ability to interdict government.

Last week Bloom said: "If government wins, then expect to see more decisions like the e-tolls pushed through without proper consultation.

"It is essential that the court's substantive power of review is preserved... so that government can be challenged if it departs from rationality and due process in its decision-making."

  • Hemlock - 2012-08-13 16:48

    What a crock of crap.....the ANC is also a political party. Smells to me like fear that the DA will have a positive influence and the ruling party don't want that, now do they!

      desmond.maefa - 2012-08-13 17:31

      Treasury and Sanral objected not ANC unless if you cant understand YOUR own English.

      B.b. - 2012-08-13 19:07

      Treasury and Sandral

      ann.murray.9279 - 2012-08-14 10:18

      Agreed Hemlock!

  • henri.lombard - 2012-08-13 16:50

    i smell a few thousands rats, sorry buckle hands here ????

  • jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-13 16:53

    What were they thinking? Are they really desperate to score political points. I mean we are all against the E-Toll irrespective of the which party we supports, but to push this as a Political party is too opportunistic and wrong. they would rather organize themselves as some form of an organization which could represent everyone who is against the idea but not necessarily supporting the DA.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 17:18

      Jackie, but is it then ok when the ANC as political party can be friends of the court in other cases. Do you want to tell us that the DA can not represent their members in court. I realy do not understand your resoning. What is it about ANC members not understanding democracy and the role of oppestion parties?

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-13 17:34

      @nettie you would understand because choose not, if this is about politics then the must be clear that they are fighting for their members and not the rest of us(those who are not associated to any political party) who also don't want E-Tolling. I guess you are a DA support and you think this is about DA, why would Cosatu oppose it if it was a ANC vs DA.

      lucky.sibanyoni - 2012-08-13 17:51

      @Jackie, i think Nettie is not reading the news enough, there were no friends of the ANC, but those of JZ, Selebi etc, and only recently on friends of youth league. DA or not, this is not politics, but more of the economy of the country and most importantly the resident of Gauteng. we are contributing around 40% of SA gdp, and yet the money is taken to help other provinces, and yet they keep milking us. Really really not fair; take care of the hand that feeds you, government is just too ignorant and want to rule by power and not good governance.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 18:39

      Lucky, we are not talking of friens of this and that, Dude we are talking about Friends of the court. Eish brother try to find out what the deferance is.

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-08-13 20:46

      Are you staying in Gauteng, if not shutup.

      cj.venter - 2012-08-14 06:56

      @ lucky: if this is not a political thing, then why say "government is just too ignorant and want to rule by power and not good governance." this is definitely a political thing. the anc bowled over the masses without consent to force us into paying something we cannot afford. so far it seems the DA is stepping up in every other situation to do the right and sensible thing, hence it makes sense that they would want to step up and help defend us, the cash cow for the anc.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-08-14 09:16

      In as much as I hate the e-Tolls, the DA didn’t apply their minds before embarking on this exercise! How can you be a friend of the court when you are obviously biased, that is, against the e-tolls. This will clearly have a negative impact on the verdict as the court will be deemed to be biased, you can’t be the prosecutor and judge at the same time. As usual lawyers couldn’t say no they obediently filed papers for the DA and are now laughing all the way to the bank.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-14 14:12

      Patricia Sanral is running all toll roads. It is important that everybody in SA get involved. Think about it if you must pay toll traveling from JHb to CT paying 50sent per kilo Eish at the price of petrol we will have to start using horses!

  • oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-13 16:55

    So whos afraid of our aunty Hellen..????

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-13 16:57

    Another reason why SA is not hopeful... High influences prevent fairness!

  • danny.archer.589 - 2012-08-13 17:06

    Fair enough. But that sets a nice precedent. The ANC will not be allowed to interfere in court cases in the future.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 17:22

      Yes at least it wil help to keep the long fingers of the ANC out of that \koekie\ jar.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 17:42

      Jackie if you read Danny's comment you wil see that I mean in any future court cases the ANC wil not be able to stick their fingers in places they don't belong.

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-13 17:53

      ok nettie, I just hate when people what to politisize things that got nothing to do with Politics, so if the E-tolls is scrapped do you want DA to brag about preventing the E-Toll or I am sure the implementation of the E-tolling it must be very painful to the ANC but hey the road got to be built and someone got to pay for that

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 18:08

      Jackie the ANC messed up. They do not want to listen to anybody. They disregard any propsels from any oppesition parties. They should have been honest with all and they should have prevent corruption in the toll saga. They did not! I feel they should use the money they intend to use for Zuma4 jet and pay the money they lone for the toll gates. Zuma can fly SAl!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-08-13 18:11

      Jackie Stone is none too bright

      B.b. - 2012-08-13 19:01

      ANC never prevented anyone from being the friend of the court. Unfortunately, this is not a political issue. So, DA must know when to keep their noses away from where it doesn't belong. Trying win favour of the public, wooooow kwaaaaa

  • marc.rule - 2012-08-13 17:10

    The ANC knows that WE the people will win the case if the DA had to join in.

  • africanwolf - 2012-08-13 17:15

    No to e-tolling never in our life time scrap the blood sucker.

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-08-13 17:27

    the honest DA must tell us who sponsors them so we know who gets favoured when they award business just like in sports teams where all corporate sponsors are laid bare...then we will look in your halluballu....

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-13 17:54

      Yes Bongani, just like the ANC must. When the DA proposed in Parlement that it become a act that political parties reveal their sponsers the ANC refused.

  • Hermann - 2012-08-13 17:34

    Wow, N24 get trained proof readers please, this item reeks of affirmatively educated grammar freaks.

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-08-13 17:45

    If the government wins ... we still won't pay! They cannot even manage the delivery of school books, how are they going to manage mass civil disobedience?

  • kasper.mbayi2 - 2012-08-13 17:47

    These fat cats were budgeted with these e-tolls. Please South African's let us stand together fighting this e-tolling desease.

  • kasper.mbayi2 - 2012-08-13 17:52

    Only our unity can prevent this e-tolling virus.

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-08-13 20:51

      They wabnt to win becauce a lot of stealing is worked in.

  • john.s.bass.7 - 2012-08-13 18:25

    this has nothing to do with politics, but greed. Take our roads and then toll them to make us pay for them again ??? if 99% of the people in the country do not want the tolls, then who the hell are Sanral, the politicians or the judiciary in fact to decide whether the tolling should go ahead ?? surely they are all servants of the people ??

  • ross.purdon.5 - 2012-08-13 18:27

    anc pumped billions of the tax payers money into this, this has everything to do with politics. How do you not see this...?

  • Phelamanga - 2012-08-13 18:29

    One thing I don't understand is that when SA becomes a National Democratic State, in which the state, i.e. the SACP, owns everything, who's going to pay the etolls. There will be no private vehicles, they will all belong to the state. The people with a bit of money and sense will have emigrated, or they will have joined the ranks of the poor and downtrodden, so they won't drive cars. Or maybe those rich party members in their expensive German and Japanese 4 X 4s will pay the etolls out of gratitude to the People. Or, maybe I just don't understand the NDR!

  • bfvillet - 2012-08-13 18:30

    DA smelling a easy victory, opportunists, this is civil society vs the state and more specifically sanral no political parties please keep the politics out of it and allow us as south africans to unite around specific issues while staying away from party politics.

      Dean - 2012-08-14 16:18

      And what do you think Sanral is hmmm? You DO know that those lovely 3 letters SOC after Sanral SOC Ltd stand for "State Owned Company"? No, you probably don't. You're most likely dumber than the Darwin award winners. We would like to keep politics out of it... But the only reason this farce is still try to rear its ugly head is because of politics, and the government (read: ANC) has a substantial investment in the e-trolls. It doesn't really matter what the outcome is anyway, because Scumral will just be met with so much non-compliance, that the backlog and collection will just end up costing more than the benefit (read: fancy cars for ANC fatcats) derived therefrom.

  • Zahir - 2012-08-13 21:12

    The anc will force the tolls to go ahead SA is not a democracy they own the courts

      jerry.medina.756 - 2012-08-13 22:24

      Which court Zahir?

  • Vince.York - 2012-08-13 21:43

    RACIST ANC DICTATORSHIP WIELDS ITS INFLUENCE WITH ABANDON: It also doesn't surprise me that journalists are too ashamed to put their names to an article any longer, what with their terrible spelling and grammar these days.

  • jerry.medina.756 - 2012-08-13 22:58

    DA should know that even ANC voters are against the e-tolls. This is a matter between South Africans and their government not a matter between political parties.

      johan.maree.5036 - 2012-08-13 23:34

      DA wanted to be A friend of the court, they didn't say they wanted to be it's only friend... ps: You say: "anc voters are against this", YOU'RE party came up with this! Why did you vote for someone that wants to steal your hard earned money? Are you even angry with them? I hope you know that you're suppose to vote for a party that can actually govern the country and improve the people's lives?!

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-08-14 07:31

    To the DA, if you are so against the Tolls, Give OUTA the money from your coffers to continue the fight, put your money where your mouth is, they need all the help they can get to stop this blatant anc fuelled corruption. OUTA have been the REAL driving force behind the anti-toll alliance, the others are merely hangers on, whether it be the DA, or COSATU. The DA would gain many more voters if the tolls went ahead in this province, the anc supporters might change their vote because of this - maybe that’s why the DA is so quite? Just think, the DA could maybe win this province if there was enough resentment against the anc – it just might their long term goal and just bark here and there a couple of times at the tolls so that they can say ‘I told you so’ when it all come crashing down. Don’t be fooled people, this is all to do with politics, politics at its best……………the anc have much to lose here, they have been embarrassed once by the courts, this has more to do with anc pride than common sense. The bottom line is, to sanral, pravin and the anc scum buckets – we will not be tolled what to do, your time is up, we will not comply with your troll tax. No to tolling public roads. Strong’s to OUTA fighting the just fight.

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-14 07:32

    Wake up world see what is happening!

      mo.matt.14 - 2012-08-14 09:48

      Sorry buddy, the world don't give a sh*t about you or any of us. We, the people, are the only ones that can take back the good, united, prosperous country that Madiba envisioned and started by NOT voting for criminals. And by that I am not saying do not vote for the ANC. But stop voting people into leadership positions that you cannot trust, or are known criminals. There was so much doubt around JZ with the arms deal, his rape case that was dismissed, etc etc. Guilty or not, there is no smoke without a fire. The doubt and suspicion alone should have been enough for ANC members to pass him over in leadership decisions. The only way the ANC will ever clean up and become respectable again is by throwing out the criminals completely. If you step out of line, or are caught stealing or mismanaging, you are out, FOREVER. None of this "suspended with full pay" crap. If you talk violence, hatred, racial devide, you do not get to apologise later and say you were "quoted out of context" - you're OUT. We need peacemakers, people who will unite the country, not divide it. Stop voting corrupt leaders into power. There are more than enough honest and hard working people out there who will serve their people. Kill the rot from the inside. Or watch them implode and destroy themselves.

  • Lollyp0t - 2012-08-14 10:14

    Wake up people, the DA is not trying to make some political move, they are just trying support what they think is right for the citizens of the country. Stop haggling about whether they should be a friend of the court or not, whether they're there or not, they still support OUTA. And whether you are a DA supporter or not, they are lobbying AGAINST e-tolling for all Gauteng residents. And yes, this is a political issue, because the current government, ANC, decided to go ahead and implement e-tolling without consulting the public or following proper procedure, and then just expecting us to pay billions! What happened to all the other money we are paying? I hate to say it, but in the old regime, we didn't have to pay such exorbitant fees and tolls, and the roads were upgraded and managed well (I'm in no way saying I agree with the old regime, just suggesting that there are possibly better ways to managed the funds, and upgrade our roads etc. without e-tolling). Stop going off on a tangent, and accusing the DA of poking there noses in this - I don't see other parties sticking up for the Gauteng residents in this case!!!! What is government for, and whats the point of a democracy, if nobody can oppose the ruling party and its decisions????

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-14 12:36

    Never mind, honesty is dead in this country.

  • reg.scheepers - 2012-08-15 13:05

    Sorry to be a stickler but the spelling was rather poor. Soon we'll be seeing SMS-style writing on major news outlets. To the matter at hand: If they get these e-tolls pushed through I'll move to Cape Town. Ok, in all honesty, I'm moving there anyway :) Join me DA supporters, we'll make a new country there :)))

  • Alan Minnaar - 2014-01-06 16:06

    This can be expected. If memory serves me right, it is the President who appoints the judges in the constitutional court. So I wonder it there is a possibility of influence and pressure coming in from the person who signed the e-toll system into law (number 1) to keep the opposition out of the legal battle. I can almost guarantee that with external pressure from above rungs of power, OUTA and the public will lose the battle and an unconstitutional and unjust system will get pushed through, no matter how much the public protest against the etoll system. E-tolls limit our freedom of movement which is against our constitutional right. E-tolls are like the old pass system, you have to have a etag (pass) and pay or else face the consequences.

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