DA skirmish a class battle - Vavi

2012-05-16 14:36

Johannesburg - Conflict between the DA and Cosatu at a protest in Johannesburg was a politically significant event, Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said on Wednesday.

The DA-organised march was an attempt to pit workers against workers when it was in fact a class battle, he said in Johannesburg at an international meeting of trade union federations hosted by the Congress of SA Trade Unions.

He said the confrontation with the Democratic Alliance made clear the differences between the two groups, and that their guiding principles were "fundamentally different".

"Yesterday [Tuesday] was significant because it showed the frustration of the most marginalised in our society."

Rocks flew when DA supporters marched to express support for a youth wage subsidy near Cosatu headquarters in the city centre. Police used teargas and water cannons to disperse Cosatu members.

Unemployment, poverty a 'ticking bomb'

The confrontation was an indication of what could come unless joblessness and poverty were not addressed in a radical and different way.

"We are sitting on a ticking bomb," Vavi said.

"Unemployment and poverty are worse now than ever before."

Workers in minibus taxis, described by Vavi as "glass coffins", on their way to work, saw the wealth of others and their frustration was growing.

He said the DA protest was an attempt by a political party that represented the rich and company bosses to exploit the country's poor.

The most critical issues facing the country were now deepening unemployment, dehumanising poverty, and inequality.

"The leadership debate and Mangaung is not the major focus," Vavi said, referring to the venue of the ANC's elective conference later this year.

"We need to decide where we are going and bring back the Freedom Charter."

He chastised the media for what he labelled as one-sided reporting on Tuesday's protest, claiming the DA had come to the protest with a truckload of rocks.

Four Cosatu members were badly injured, which was unreported, Vavi claimed.

"I condemn violence, all violence even from Cosatu members. It is not good for anyone."

- Were you there? Send us your eyewitness accounts and photos.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 14:41

    The only "fundamental difference" was that Cosatu think they can do what they want, when they want & everyone else must follow suit! Double standards are a b1tch aren’t they Mr Vavi

      gerhard.nel - 2012-05-16 14:44

      Why weren't these Cosatu members at work?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 14:45

      Because they weren't workers, they were rent-a-crowd.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-16 14:46

      There were Gerhard, that's what Cosatu hired them to do yesterday, throw stones at the DA

      Sean - 2012-05-16 14:49

      I always had mixed feeling about this VAVI character , his true colors came out !! No better than any of those other ANC criminals !

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 14:50

      They're all as useless as the next... i'd love to do a survey of the morons jumping around making a noise & see if they know whey they were actually there! DA vs Cosatu - results would be interesting i think.

      Repline - 2012-05-16 14:51

      Yes, this coming from a man who earns R 700k per annum. I think that would make him part of the upper-class wouldn't it?

      gerhard.nel - 2012-05-16 14:51

      Vavi is actually correct. This is a class battle: DA = class COSATU = No class

      Sean - 2012-05-16 14:52

      @Gerhard - Cosatu used normal dirty african tactics !! Don`t forget , most their members are ``highly intelligent`` !

      Peter - 2012-05-16 14:52

      It is also worth mentioning that the DA supporters came with a Gautrain. Gautrain doesn't passby townships nor squatter camp. One could argue that DA supporters are well off as compared to the lower class that the subsidy is targeted for. Was this for political scoring or DA move to test the ANC-Cosatu relationship. Judging by what Zuma said in parliament, the strategy might have worked.

      Rob - 2012-05-16 15:01

      This was a class battle. DA = 1st class COSATU = Cattle class

      Bambanani - 2012-05-16 15:01

      ja nee

      Alan - 2012-05-16 15:04

      Vavi is reading from the Communist Manifesto again. The Berlin Wall has fallen Vavi, chuck the manual away, it doesn't work. 'Class battle' my foot - it was the people who want youth employment (DA) vs. the people who want more workers' dues (Cosatu). The trade unions are gradually being shown up for the moneymaking scams they are. No wonder numbers are shrinking, and Vavi is getting paranoid.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:13

      @ Polo...TROLL! @ White Tsotsi, and when will the people see through the ANC's empty promises? I agree, the DA might not be the answer, but the sure are a whole lot better than cANCer governing our country.

      Sean - 2012-05-16 15:19

      @smilification, thats an easy one dude. Click on their mugshot, go to FB, click on the link report abuse, confirm the reason and then send. I did this last night an tsotsi baby is gone and has now been replaced by white baby, just as stoooooopid as the previous incarnation. while you are there , do the same for polio donkey, kolobe and the other trolls. FB will block their fictious accounts and then they are gone. The second thing is to get their IP addy's, which is very easy, and lock them out of the system, then they are most definately gone.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-16 15:30

      Why do so many here put up with Apartheid views and NO other views ???? Ask yourselves this question.....Afraid to discuss....just profanity your way to the door. We are here to discuss and educate ........ Is it a feeling of being inferior or what is it ?????? Give it just can't take it ??????? Like I said many here are just here to discuss and learn the other's point of view...... Come on now ....Lets play fair. I have called derogatory names on a daily basis by several recidivist, It does not bother me at all however whenever the tables are turned ....all the toys are out the cot.

      Christopher - 2012-05-16 15:30

      Cosatu are running scared...the DA has done South Africans Proud. Well Done. This had to be done as this has created bigger support for DA. Keep going

      justindeklerk - 2012-05-16 15:31

      This is pathetic that cosatu cant take what they dish out. Cosatu needs it's supporters to remain poor to keep their support, that's why they don't want the DA interfering by giving young people jobs, and hope.

      Smili - 2012-05-16 15:32

      SEAN -SPEAK OF THE DEVIL! THESE THINGS BREED LIKE ZUMA! OMG! Just report their comments... it will give News24 something to do :)

      Clive - 2012-05-16 15:35

      Vavi you are still saying same old stuff but again and again yet nothing has happened to better or sort out problems, how much more talk before it is time dismiss you on the failer on deliver as per our ruling nations elected officials.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:36

      @ White Tsotsi, I couldn't care less if you were a black afrikaans speaking person. Race and language is not the issue. How can anyone with common sense support the ANC? How can you not see through the empty lies? I suppose you read the news and you can make your own opinions but justify why you support the ANC?

      Michele - 2012-05-16 15:36

      I no longer care what Vavi says, he and his organisation have loast all credibillity in my book. Farcical clown and JZ's little lap dog.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 16:08

      White Tsotsi - The ANC is going through a bad patch since old Pres Mandela retired... You are entitled to your opinion, i never disagreed with that, but when you are asked to substanciate your views, you turn it into an apartheid issue.. I cannot see the good the ANC has done, the steal money from the poor and tax payers money, to line their own pockets. Why does our president need a salary when he gets a house supplied to him, he is carted along by government owned vehicles and government bought fuel, has his own private jet? Top government officials, do not pay taxes, when they are some of, if not, the highest income earners in our country? Our current President has what 8 wives and God knows how many children, we is he getting married in a traditional sense when we have population issue and polygamy is outlawed in our country. What does that have to say about our morals. For a long time the ANC refuted the existance of HIV, the biggest killer in africa at the moment. Some people still not have running water and you still want to support the ANC?

      Tc - 2012-05-16 18:04

      And COSAUT now lies as much as their petty minor partner, the ANC.

      sean.looney - 2012-05-16 18:44

      uhm. who is to blame for the mass unemployment vavi? i know apartheid had a lot to do with the mess we find ourselves in but the ANC have had nearly 20 years to address the problem of unemployment and inequality. in any society the rich try to stay rich and the poor aspire to wealth. lawlessness is not a way of resolving issues though, especially when the DA protest was in support of job creation. lets not sugar coat this and call it a class battle. this is a battle along racial lines, perpetrated by corrupt government officials, unionists and media sensationalism.

      Kent - 2012-05-17 06:46

      @ White Tsotsi. "Any reasonable South African can see through their tactics." Sh*t comment, just look at your thumbs downs you received, for reasonable South African thinking. your name says all!!!!

  • sewsexy - 2012-05-16 14:42

    Vavi is seriously deluded - he doesnt belong in Cosatu - he belongs in a mental home - OMG !!!!!

      Robin - 2012-05-16 14:48

      I think he represents the Anc more than Cosatu..

      John - 2012-05-16 15:02

      anc mouth piece

  • Sean - 2012-05-16 14:43

    What page is he on?

      John - 2012-05-16 15:02

      hasnt started the comic book yet

      Press - 2012-05-16 15:25

      Yeah its a class battle - between those with jobs and those without jobs . . .

  • Msika - 2012-05-16 14:44

    Why we were never shown pictures of the four injured COSATU members. The media is biased indeed.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 14:46

      Because they don't exist... Why don't COSATU show us the pictures..

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-16 14:47

      Cause there weren't any? Cosatu started the fight and it's on camera so now what?

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 14:53

      they cant afford cameras with all the time off for striking.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-16 15:00

      Media is Bias and therefore their regulatory bodies governed by their own will soon be history.

      Nigel - 2012-05-16 15:05

      hahaha lol, you are a funny man, a clown maybe

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:15


      Maltacular - 2012-05-16 15:43

      It is biased indeed. I find it highly unlikely that no COSATU members were injured. And just look at the number of comments removed because of opposing views. Pathetic

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-16 16:35

      I saw one each from COSATU and da.

  • Bryan - 2012-05-16 14:44

    Vavi.. You are a thug and a fool! 'Class battle' you say? Yeah, the peaceful DA march was just that..Class.. Cosatu's action..Classless!

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 14:54

      i think the only class battle here is an IQ class battle.

      Gerald - 2012-05-16 15:11

      E=MC2 To them IQ means I Q for the taxi

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 15:17


      Pushka - 2012-05-16 21:57

      The anc and it's alliance partners only strategy at the moment is to incite the black population of this country against the whites and other minority groups, anything and everything is being turned into a racial conflict and the "masses" are being encouraged to hate the minorities under the guise of "class" We are heading towards a catastrophe in South Africa and we had better start preparing for serious trouble if this trend continues.

  • Henri - 2012-05-16 14:44

    comes to show you that they cant see any future or improvise and make their own rules. They live in the past and cannot move forward, where as the DA wants to improve and get the youth into better shape.

  • Pulverturm - 2012-05-16 14:45

    Please provide photographic proof... or some other concrete evidence of these trucks full of rocks and bricks? Every Witness I've heard talk of the incident only reports that any bricks thrown by DA supports were ones that were initially thrown at them!

  • Nigel - 2012-05-16 14:46

    yes he is right, Cosatu - the intolerant thug class & the DA - fighting for jobs class. Interesting how the DA is the one caring about creating jobs & not the ANC or Cosatu.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-05-16 14:47

    You can attempt to discredit the DA march as much as you want, the whole world saw COSATU for what they are...

  • André - 2012-05-16 14:47

    If it's a time bomb why don't they cut the red wire???? Or no! Cut the blue wire!! No wait - the green one!! With one second to spare!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-16 15:05

      Best to take care of your wire.....heehehheheee

      Maltacular - 2012-05-16 16:09

      you are going wire wire hahahahaha

  • mariuskowie - 2012-05-16 14:48

    It is not a class battle. It is Cosatu jealously guarding it's grip on SA labor. The DA's march was undermining Cosatu's money source, the labor market as it is currently structured.

      Jayne - 2012-05-16 15:06

      they are calling it a class battle because they can't play the race card this time!!!!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:22

      They are grasping at straws, flipping through the dictionary and selecting words...

  • Jake - 2012-05-16 14:51

    No Mr Vavi, it was not class action, but an example of an extremely low level of civilisation maintained by those who initiated the conflict. It also speaks loudly of a total misunderstanding of the concept of democracy. Wake up Mr Vavi, you are going to destroy the hopes of workers with your self-serving policies.

  • Ben - 2012-05-16 14:55

    Mr.Vavi If the DA can bring a better "class" of person to be our next leaders - I say halleluya.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-16 14:56

    And there he goes - puts his foot right in it again. There's no end to this comedian. Step down Vavi you racist. Every time you open your mouth you reveal what an idiot you really are. At least just keep quite and save yourself further embarrassment.

  • tobydt - 2012-05-16 14:57

    "DA skirmish a class battle" Yeah, the unemployed vs the unionists.

  • Phelamanga - 2012-05-16 14:57

    If any DA member loaded a truck full of rocks, the DA must investigate, but somehow I believe it is COSATU pointing fingers to cover up their own actions. No matter how the leaders of COSATU try to justify the actions of their rent-a-crowd, their actions are unjustifiable. It's amazing how the Freedom Charter is also used to justify this.

  • Emile Josephs - 2012-05-16 14:58

    'a radical and different way'- the youth subsidy perhaps, mr.Vavi?

  • NrGx - 2012-05-16 14:59

    Any more excuses COSATU? - you have left out apartheid!

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-16 15:14

      hahaha i was waiting for that :)

  • Harold - 2012-05-16 15:01

    Mr Vavi this country is run by a constitution that was agreed upon by you and all the other people in the negotiation body the freedom charter belongs to the ANC and has nothing to do with our country. Please remember that unless you intend to doublecross the nation by using it to further your own political am.

      sven.gohre - 2012-05-16 20:26

      @Harold, actually the Freedom Charter was not written by the anc, it was written by a few "White" communists. In fact it took the anc a whole year to endorse it, leading to the anc splitting and the formation of pac. It is amazing how they re-write history in claiming that they were the ones that wrote the Freedom Charter.

  • Herman - 2012-05-16 15:02

    vavi, you have created the time bomb, your greed and disrespect for people will be the cause of teh African Winter to come soon.......

  • godfrey.daniels2 - 2012-05-16 15:02

    Vavi is right. The unemployed and marginalised people is a ticking bomb. What he's forgetting to mention is that he holds the detonator in his hand. If he was really so concerned about the workers and unemployment, why is he against providing an income to destitute youth? I'm apolitical and could not care a rat's a##s about politicians. However, i cannot stomache seeing our youth going to the dogs and down the gutters. Why has COSATO not taken the lead in addressing the matter. His next step is taking up a political post and follow in the footsteps of his predecessors. and we know how they performed for the poor!! trade Unions are sometimes a laugh and the poor ignorant workers cannot see them for who they are.

      Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-05-16 15:12

      2faced Trade Union leaders, Vavi will one day achieve his political goal of holding a government position and leave all these same poor workers he claims 2 represent where they are.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-16 15:13

      Cos Vavi is no Idiot to just throw money away on window dressing Godfrey. Employers will just fire older workers and take on youth cos the Government will pay half the wage. The youth will never get the real education at a portfolio , This is what is required.

      Philip - 2012-05-16 15:18

      because cosato's "leadership" is too busy fu%k*ng up the economy? Just to let the masses know Vavi lives in the up market area!!!!suprise suprise....

      tobydt - 2012-05-16 15:18

      Tamaranui - "Employers will just fire older workers and take on youth cos the Government will pay half the wage." What a stupid retort. Why would a company fire an experienced worker, for an inexperienced one, that is funded by the state to work for the company? Eish, ANC/COSATU logic.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-16 15:24

      Unfortunately this is exactly what will happen. A few of the irreplaceble will stay on however most will be let go. This is Logical and based on Capitalist processes past and present.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:42

      @Tamaranui, can you SERIOUSLY predict the future?

  • Lionel - 2012-05-16 15:05

    Class battle? Ok let's see now. Fact: DA march was orginised and legal. Fact: Cosato \march\ was illegal and violent. DA had a peacefull walk untill Cosato showed up. When Cosato showed up, rocks started flying. Do you normally carry rocks to a peacfull rally? No. If the DA were throwing rocks they were throwing it back. What in the world is happening to our beautiful country? If what Mr. Vavi said is true then he does not think much of the cosatu class.

      Nigel - 2012-05-16 15:15

      exactly, but the DA is taking these thugs on at their own game, the DA has shown them up as the job destroyers they are, brainwashing the black people into believing that are fighting for the poor, sorry you liars, the DA is the one fighting for jobs fighting for the poor, not these lying scumbags like Malema & Cosatu.

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-05-16 15:06

    3 excuses in a day.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-16 15:11

      He doth protest too much

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-16 15:08

    Vavi the rest of them has been given to much power...and it's gone to his head....(just like Malema)....when this happens they believe themselves to be untouchable.....I think Vavi, through his action and words yesterday...will live to regret the day.

  • pjcbs - 2012-05-16 15:09

    The more people are kept down trodden, the higher Vavi can climb by standing on them. Vavi is like a leader form the dark ages, telling people how much he cares for them, but terrified if they were to stand up and become educated. That would mean his downfall, COSATU's downfall, and that if our current government. If this is a class issue, get rid of your luxury car and join the regular people in the taxis. Biggot!!!

  • Zola - 2012-05-16 15:09

    Here's the thing, class or no class, Cosatu's approach to this march was WRONG!!! They went there to intimidate and cause distruction, and that's the bottom line. For a leader of Zwelinzima Vavi's stature to dilly dally around the facts is absolutely shocking and disgusting. There was a Cosatu man with a STUNT gun!!!! The same man was clearly seen harrasing/beating a woman on the front page of today's THE STAR. Cosatu went there with only one thing in mind, VIOLENCE. I have never ever seen them behaving in this manner in any ANCYL march, even when they were aginst them. That in itself reitirates the fact that only certain groups of people (approved by them) are supposed to march

  • Steve - 2012-05-16 15:10

    We are sitting on a ticking bomb," Vavi said. "Unemployment and poverty are worse now than ever before." You said it : And what are you doing to create jobs ? Looks like you loosing them mr vavi !!

      Mike - 2012-05-16 15:22

      Both England and the US are longer countries to open factories unless they are high technology, low employment directly as a result of trade unions. Let Vavi allocated some of the unions wealth to create more jobs. Our country is not a chosen place to open new factories, our labour is poor and our labour laws are like a chastity belt to investors. The entire blame can be placed on crap economic policies by the anc and heavily backed by the labour elite cosatu. If ever it were a class battle, it's between the labour elite run by Hoffa/ Vavi raping the employed and those who are unemployed. Vavi you are a first class conman.

      Mike - 2012-05-16 15:23

      No longer...line one.

  • Sanele Kratos Fulele - 2012-05-16 15:14

    Vavi is correct in saying that the media coverage is biased towards this incident and further more he has condemned the violence from both parties...i've yet to hear Zille condemning her party. it was really uncalled for to protest for the youth wage bill in that medium. Zille and Mazibuko knew the potential danger that lurked but chose to sacrifice their supporters to taunt Cosatu and earn brownie points_so what was achieved yesterday? NOTHING more than further bad publicity for us as South Africans and it has further created tension between the black and white communities...

      Mike - 2012-05-16 15:28

      No it hasn't ! It has just shown us again that cosatu are a mafia organization run by elitists. The bad publicity is only in respect of the cosatu thugs who think they run this country through bullying tactics and undemocratic treasonous behavior.

      Harold - 2012-05-16 15:36

      So Sanele it looks like you agree that COSATU are a dangerous and violent group of people who will resort to violence to silence their opposition. I am scared to consider what is going to happen to this country when the Alliance loose the elections to a new majority?

  • Dale - 2012-05-16 15:15

    God help us !

  • tobydt - 2012-05-16 15:16

    Vavi earns R500,000 a year... Does that make him working class?

  • Sonja - 2012-05-16 15:16

    VAVI - you are a desperate fool, hanging on by a thread.

  • mike.clery - 2012-05-16 15:17

    Class battle? Between the unemployed in the DA-led group and those fortunate enough to have jobs, led by COSATU? I never thought I'd see the day when a trade union federation fought to keep the jobless OUT of the job market to protect its (employed) members from any competition. Why else reject a youth subsidy (and labour broking)? Don't threaten the country with the consequences of having more than half of young people unemployed Mr Vavi. YOU are stopping them from being employed, so give up the obstructionist attitude.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-16 15:24

    When an individual holds a high position....they should act with diplomacy, and discipline in order for the masses to respect and look up to them when it matters in decision making.He is not a man for the people...but a man for himself....he just joined the long queue of ineffective SA leaders.

  • Dianne - 2012-05-16 15:24

    Vavi has lost a lot of credibility with this incident. Not too long ago most citizens were behind COSATU when they organized protest marches against e tolls.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-05-16 17:04

      That is not true, the people of South Africa organized themselves against E-tolling, Casatu and Vavi tried to highjack the people movement against E-tolling, they wanted to become the negotiators of the people, it was an attempt to control the 'negotiations' because they themselves had shares in the whole Samrall scam. Workers must wake up, their beloved Casatu has been taken over by a bunch of elitist self serving leeches.

  • elkita.robbertse - 2012-05-16 15:25

    Dumb people this cosatu and anc.The more you insult them the prouder they get.

  • Mazimba - 2012-05-16 15:26

    How can an employed man represent the unemployed? #Confused

  • Henk - 2012-05-16 15:29

    Indeed Vavi i do agree 100%!!! The DA protestor had class and cosatu and its leaders showcase their hooligan manners!

      Luvhani - 2012-05-16 15:49

      Ooh poor Henk wake boot, ur in AFRIKA not europe. This is hw the majority of afrikans handle themselves and it has nuttin 2 do wit class, its jst the way thngs r in AFRIKA.

  • christian.helberg - 2012-05-16 15:32

    "represented the rich and company bosses to exploit the country's poor. " BULL, but if you think you are correct, then you have to agree BEE should be stopped immediately as the DA marchers were mostly black, so there is no need for it anymore. Did you even bother to look into the crowd before you started throwing stones vavi

  • markallenrsa - 2012-05-16 15:34

    If Cosatu knew there was a march coming, why have "workers" loitering which would always create a risk. BUT if they were WORKERS, then why were they not at WORK?? OH!! Maybe they are avoiding labour brokers that could line them up with work. OR they have no work, because they have been retrenched as the company they used to work for, can no longer compete with imports because our WORKERS rate of pay is directly disproportional to their productivity levels??

  • Clive - 2012-05-16 15:35

    Vavi you are still saying same old stuff but again and again yet nothing has happened to better or sort out problems, how much more talk before it is time dismiss you on the failer on deliver as per our ruling nations elected officials.

  • Peter - 2012-05-16 15:39

    Class battle, my eye. If was old-fashioned, orchestrated Cosatu thuggery that threatened to pit the rest of South African against the workers. Personally, my attitudes hardened a lot.

  • yves.kanda1 - 2012-05-16 15:40

    hold tight E=wannabe2, violence of any form is unacceptable... that aside the principal of democracy is for people to do as they wish, when they want, as long as no one else's rights are infringed upon. No one asked you to follow suit buddy. Google the word minority and act your place! one would assume you were at the march at this rate. "stupid as the next"... seriously, is this still happening?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 15:43

      "Google the word minority and act your place! " WE HAVE A LIVE RACIST HERE!

      yves.kanda1 - 2012-05-16 15:54

      That's not racism, it's a fact... get a clue. If you can't see the problem with describing an entire race with "stupid as the next" then there is a bigger problem here and I can't help you. PS: I don't contribute to BEE, EE or AA one bit.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-16 16:18

      So we as the minority have no say?

      yves.kanda1 - 2012-05-16 17:51

      I am a minority in this country and I am not agreeing with the DA or Cosatu, I wasn't at the march and have no idea who threw the first stone - reporters will always report what they want. I was simply disagreeing with E=MCIdiot2 above on the waste of time contribution he's provided so far.

  • Johann - 2012-05-16 15:42

    Hiring youths and other jobless people is a strategy used by ANC, Cosatu, ... to combat unemployment. At least these people receive a red / white / orange / green / blue T-Shirt that they can keep. Maybe also R5-00 to buy them a meal. Long live strikes! The more strikes we have, the less the unemployment figures in South Africa. And these will provide some very nice stats for the ANC to post on their website on job creation.

  • Tobie - 2012-05-16 15:42

    Cosatu and Numsa called for violance on public television. It's got nothing to do with a class battle.They new full well what would happen and then they have the nerv to say it's a class battle.What do you take us for Mr Vavi? Like North Africa you and the ANC will get a rude awakening one day.

  • Pasi - 2012-05-16 15:44

    Its unfortunate that Mr Vavi can downgrade the level of a tyrant. Was it really necessary for Cosatu members to do what they did? What was wrong with the DA handing over the Memo to Cosatu? In our sober minds can we say a youth subsidy is bad fior job creation? Clearly freedom of speech and expression was thwarted. You are a respected man Vavi. Please don't let things like this happen in future.

  • temudau - 2012-05-16 15:44

    Damn u vavi and DA cant you for once deliver what people are expecting out of you? This politicians the more you complain the bigger the pockets flurish

  • yves.kanda1 - 2012-05-16 15:45

    hold tight E=WannaBe2, violence of any form is unacceptable... that aside the principal of democracy is for people to do as they wish, when they want a long as no one else's rights are infringed upon. No one asked you to follow suit buddy. Google the word minority and act your place! one would assume you were at the march at this rate. "stupid as the next..." seriously, are we still stereotyping??? I think people need to start watching international news before being allowed to moan.

  • Gavin - 2012-05-16 15:46

    Class battle indeed - Cosatu having none, and the DA having lots. the irony of yesterdays 'encounter' is that the youth threw stones at the very party that's trying to get them off the streets and into jobs so that they can contribute to the economy they seem to love sponging off.

  • Trevor - 2012-05-16 15:47

    Vavi is quite right. It is a class battle. DA was rooting for the poor (unemployed youth), whereas Cosatu represents the wealthier class (those who have jobs).

  • Nicky - 2012-05-16 15:48

    I'm going out on a limb here: For the record, I never agreed with the Apartheid system or regime. I never voted for that which my own parents or grand parents may have voted for, I was too young. I am a SA citizen, now in my 40's who daily, yes daily try and do my bit to help, improve and further our nation. Most importantly, I am not a racist, but I can not for the live of me understand why poor, less privilaged, uneducated & unemployed people can POSSIBLY think that the current trend of our so called democracy, is going to better their lives. I can fully understand how nobody wants the old regime back in power, not even I want it, but surely, surely someone out there must realise what they are voting for now, is by NO means any better than what they had before - that or I'm an idiot.