DA to complain over info bill ads

2012-04-02 21:25

Cape Town - A government advertising campaign on the protection of state information bill has angered the DA, which says it will lodge a complaint with the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA).

"The campaign... seeks to persuade the public that the purpose of the bill is to protect personal information, such as birth certificates and drivers' licences," Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko said in a statement.

However, the adverts - in print and on radio and TV - focused on "a narrow and largely irrelevant" aspect of the bill.

"[This]... is disingenuous, as no mention is made of the bill's range of controversial implications."

There was no reference to its serious implications for press freedom, or its potential repercussions for corruption whistle-blowers.

"The DA will today lodge a formal complaint with the ASA regarding the pro-secrecy bill advertising campaign launched last week by the department of state security.

"In addition... I will also be writing to National Assembly Speaker Max Sisulu and National Council of Provinces chairperson Johannes Mahlangu to raise my concerns about government launching a media offensive on a matter that is currently before Parliament."

The department's decision to "engage in this propaganda campaign" on a piece of legislation that was still being deliberated on, and had yet to be signed into law, showed a clear disregard for the separation of powers, Mazibuko said.

The advertisements appeared to breach three key provisions of the ASA's advertising code dealing with honesty, fear and truthful representation.

"This propaganda campaign is an obvious attempt by State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele's department to misrepresent the bill, as a means of fighting back against the overwhelming rejection of the draft legislation by the South African people," she said.

The department of state security was not immediately available for comment.

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-04-02 21:36

    Anyone disagree? Let's hear it.

      Mark - 2012-04-03 08:17

      It's impossible to disagree that what they are doing is unethical but ethics is not something the ANC believe in as it's a western concept. The ANC need to be fought at every turn from now on. We must make them struggle to enact any policy, any legislation at all and keep them pinned in a corner. Only then will the people of SA see what their leaders really are when they start fighting amongst themselves to retain their positions at the feeding trough. We have the power, let's use it wisely and effectively.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-04-03 09:30

      The moment I saw it I said to the wife, "What a load of propaganda bullsh$t!"

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 09:34

      I was really just waiting for someone to disagree without a reason.

  • mario.dippenaar - 2012-04-02 21:38

    But we've always been at war with Eastasia

      Felix - 2012-04-03 08:02

      I thought they had helped us out recently and that Eurasia were the enemy now?

  • Francois - 2012-04-02 21:40

    How can government advertise a proposed law? Are they not suppose to first let the process run its course and find out if the proposed law will in fact become one? Is this once again a case of a section of the ANC thinking they are government? I say, if this is not law yet, let the ANC pay for the adds and if the adds are untrue or against advertising standards, remove them and let the ANC still pay. Even if they need to get money for Modise's children that he allegedly got from the Arms deal - no problem. Rather debate on whether we should have a law that when a political party spend money, because it does not know when is the party of when it is goverment and it turns out to be a party campaign, then apart from giving the money back, the one who authorised the expenditure and his or her family must only use state hospitals for the rest of their lives.

      Alf - 2012-04-03 07:20

      It just shows that they will pull out all the stops to push the bill through as a first step to "amending" the constitution on the way to another failed state! When has the ANC lead government ever told the truth about their true intentions? How can we now expect to hear the truth from Mr. Cwele's department?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:48

      I am wondering the same thing. Why doesn't the ANC just do away with the law all together?.

  • Andrew - 2012-04-02 21:43

    The ANC leadership has lost touch with real South Africans...They have lost the plot and are a disgrace. They are an insult to their own heritage!! All the moral highground that the ANC once stood for has been eroded from under their fat arses. THey have lost my vote that is for sure!!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-02 23:49

      How is it that so many folk have done some really straight talking, and nobody from "the party in question" has anything to contribute by way of response. They just carry on regardless - they should hang their heads in shame.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 09:33

      Yes Bless, it is a shame, but they consider themselves untouchable.

  • hoyingomane - 2012-04-02 21:49

    DA will fail with the ASA and then go to court and win mxm our judiciary is bias.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-02 21:55

      There we go, it's about the Da and not the facts they presented.

      grant.hide - 2012-04-02 22:06

      The Judiciary isn't biased just because someone says so, hey. If your grass at home is dead and brown, does it mean the grass by you is green if someone from there says so? The Judiciary Looks upon facts placed in front of them not the color of the grass in their back yard ;).

      braamc - 2012-04-03 01:24

      Your name just screams stupid!

      Felix - 2012-04-03 08:05

      Stupid lemming.

      J-Man - 2012-04-03 09:04

      @ Tony - it always is with these blind idiots.

  • lytteot7 - 2012-04-02 21:51

    I'm yet to see an honest advertisement. All ads have some degree of lies and exaggerations. I guess that's how it goes.

  • Glyn - 2012-04-02 21:52

    The anc are devious, dangerous and degenerate in political terms! Time to vote DA! Stand up and let your vote be counted!

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-03 08:09


      Dane - 2012-04-03 09:23

      @paulmandlankosi, I really don't get your mentality(You as a person, not because your black). So does this mean you happy with the 30Bn that went missing due to corruption, the 71c/L Petrol increase, the Gauteng tolls, and now the POIB to hide all the corrupt ways. These are products of the Government/ANC you elected, so you don't mind being ripped off? I really don't get it, please explain? The DA are at least honest as to where all the tax payers funds are going to.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:52

      Paulmandlakosi. I understand, you would rather be ruled by a lot of thieves, to put it mildly, just because they are your favourite colour. I wish you well.

  • Glyn - 2012-04-02 21:53

    Once again they are wasting tax-payer's money!

  • Richard - 2012-04-02 21:54

    "honesty, fear and truthful representation"? Fear and truthful? Fear? Yes I also fear for this info bill News24 editors...

  • Polotic - 2012-04-02 21:58

    The arrogance of the ANC knows no bounds. The cheek of it, thinking they can pull the wool over the eyes of the voting public. Misinformation at its most sinister. I have no doubt that the DA will succeed in their application and I hope that the ANC are directed to pay for the misleading adverts iso the taxpayer.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:54

      Polotic they have been misleading the public for almost nineteen years, and with the blessings of that same public will continue to do so. What is there to stop them if everyone keeps voting them into office?.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-04-02 21:59

    only the anc would think it could polish a turd.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-04-02 22:18

    It seems that the ANC government is being controlled by outside influences hell bent on protecting their own interest. It is becoming more apparent that a large part of the ANC is owned by private enterprise owners, rich families that want to take control of South Africa's commerce and resources at whatever cost to the citizens of South Africa. While they try and shut the media up, maybe it is time for the truth to be revealed. It seems it is time that the orchestrators be exposed.

  • Ronald - 2012-04-02 22:28

    I know the ANC is devious, but this is lower than the shadow of snakesh#t on the seabed. Once again, if the new legislation was any good, advertising would not be necessary. Zuma, if it smells like it, feels like it, tastes like it, no amount of advertising while cause it to be anything else but sh#t.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-02 23:02

    This is what makes me angry. The gov. like to keep the people uneducated so that they now can pull the wool over there eyes. This is just proof that the gov. is doing it and believe that they are getting it right. The Afrikaans saying comes to mind: "Hulle vat die mense vir 'n gat" This is an insult to the people who are not so privilege to read all news. This is brutal discrimination, specially to the poor, while they feed them with misleading information. My heart bleed for them.

      Duncan Thabiso Mphailane - 2012-04-02 23:35

      Judging from your spelling and grammar... The government is really keeping people uneducated and stupid.

      Mark - 2012-04-03 08:21

      @Duncan Thabiso Mphailane, well at least you acknowledge that the ANC are keeping people uneducated and stupid which is exactly what the man is saying.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-03 08:24

      @Duncan. maybe half asleep already, but I admit my spelling is not the best. See, it is not my mother-tongue. The fact remains that you could understood and it hits home. That is why you react on grammar instead of the facts that I stated. I presume you criticize the Portuguese or Creek at the corner shop as well, but you still buying from him. The point to your remark is that you cant argue facts, but you like to defend, even if blindly and out of lack off..... Thanks for proving my point.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-03 08:25

      The " could understood" was specially for you!

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-02 23:45

    That was unnecessary. The man's first language is obviously not English. This does not detract from the value of his comments. Stay focused on the info bill.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-04-03 00:43

      @ Bless Boswell.. Goed gesê. Wens ek kon jou tien "duime op" gee. Die stomme appelkoos Duncan Thabiso Mphailane is te onnosel om te begryp wat jy sê en ek daag hom uit om op my kommentaar in hierdie taal te antwoord. Ek maak die stelling dat hy "Is a stupid, and fraudelent imposter" Ek het gaan kyk na sy profiel.

      Thandekile Pokolo - 2012-04-03 08:29

      sorry azande DA they do everything wrong for a special now ever since that mfazi webunu call us we are refuges she is forget abaut herself is coming o/s

      richard.hipkin - 2012-04-03 09:27

      @Thande, Zille never called you a refugee, stop talking nonsense.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 09:28

      Wow, "They call us refugees" Inferior complex much? She was calling people who were relocating to a better life 'refugees'. But you always want to think everything is about race.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-03 10:12

      @Thandekile. Forget who said it. Comment one what was said. I am sure you do not allow people to blindly miss-inform you while you know the whole fight around the law is not based on ID and driver licences info protection. Why blindly defending a party? Your responsibility, as a citizen, is to take on a party when disagreeing with it, but not defending one when miss-leading people openly. I am sure even you can realize it. If the DA or another party was doing it I would have made the same remarks. Why cant you?

      Antipoaching - 2012-04-03 11:35

      Thandekile, I see you proudly (on your facebook page) claim you are from the Eastern Cape BUT I also notice you are living in the Western Cape, care to expplain why you are in the "racist" Western Cape? Maybe because the ANC has so destroyed our beloved Province that you were forced to move to the "racist" Province in order to provide for your family? Whether Zille calls us refugees or not is not the issue, the Info Bill is. The manner in which the ANC is trying to ramroad this Bill into law is the same as the apartheid govt did with their security laws and this Bill is equally bad "law" as the security laws were!

      Antipoaching - 2012-04-03 11:38

      or was your move prompted by the desire to actually receive an eduction, Thandekile? Tsomo's schools are not worth much, are they?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 13:58

      Thandekile, you blew my mind. What a load of smelly stuff.

  • manyanyaphiri - 2012-04-03 00:17

    One of those rare moments where I agree totally with the DA..."Give Zuma a run for his money, Lady Zille!!! He's of course trying to rule South Africa long beyond his democratic mandate!"

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-03 10:15

      I agree. It is time that we comment on what is happening and get said and not because of blind loyalty. That stand should be taken against all parties.

  • Azande - 2012-04-03 00:31

    DA is doing a good job here. On the other hand, media needs to regulated tightly for the better of our country.

      braamc - 2012-04-03 01:26

      The proposed bill will kill freedom of speech, nothing wrong with a reasonable regulated industry like many others

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 08:44

      Yeah. I think reporter should just have their name tied to any of their articles I. Large bold letters, and a website should be created with all reporters names where you can see how many of their articles were simply factual, exaggerated or a complete lie. In the long run, they get an overall rating and a history of articles with a percentage truth for each article. That way reporters will make sure that they are telling the truth.

      J-Man - 2012-04-03 09:06

      @ Azande.. do even REALLY understand what you are saying here??

      Azande - 2012-04-03 11:10

      @Jayman, fully my man. I have no problem with juornos who do their homework thoroughly before they publish an article that exposes wrong doing or anything that is of public interest. I have a problem with those that unreasonably write defaming articles about individuals seeking to up their profile, then you learn later that what was said is actually "lies". A person's image already down the drain while they just post a tiny paragraph that purports to be an apology. That is my huge problem about SA loose regulated media.

      Antipoaching - 2012-04-03 11:46

      Azande, for those completely unethical journo's who resort to defamation, lies and falsehood, we have lible laws that can be used to extract a pound of flesh...... this Bill is bad Law and no amount of talking and excuse making is going to change that

      Azande - 2012-04-03 14:33

      @Anti, true that about Libel laws but it doesnt bring back or restore your already damaged character, does it?

  • Jacob Zooma - 2012-04-03 03:56

    Three sugar, rooibos, no milk please.

      Jomah - 2012-04-03 08:23

      Would you like some ill gotten tampons with that Sir?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 14:01

      Rooibos, isn't that a white man's tea Jacob?

  • bzengetwa - 2012-04-03 05:30

    Serious ANC iyanya, how can you use media to manipulate people to a law that has not even pass Parliament with no support. The ironic part is that they are using the same media they want to 'shut up' to gain support. This ruling party is really disappointing us now, I think we reversing back to apartheid era but this time it will be called 'Sizonihlula-siniphathe'.

      Mark - 2012-04-03 08:31

      This has nothing to do with Apartheid, races or the past. This as about a bunch of manipulative degenerates attempting to cling to power and their ill-gotten gains whilst their people in particular are homeless, jobless and hungry. How much longer must we allow a bunch of greedy crooks to hold an entire country and it's people to ransom whilst investment dries up and our best people leave the country? They must be stopped.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 08:54

      Mark, you are so focused on, and used to replying to people who use apartheid as an excuse to blame (instead of learn), that you have failed to see what this person is actually saying. I believe he is talking about the violation of freedom rights in the appartheid, not race differences.

      Antipoaching - 2012-04-03 11:51

      Mark did you actually read what bzengetwa wrote or did you just see the word "apartheid" and go straight into "outraged whitey" mode? bzengetwa's comment is fiercely critical of the ANC, you twit! I happen to agree with bz's sentiments, we are backsliding to the apartheid era, just wait until JZ declares a State of Emergency because of the service delivery protests!

  • Toofaan - 2012-04-03 06:33

    This is unethical. That ad will be in the type of language the majority of people will relate to. Given who it comes from, they will believe it. This is how they keep the number of votes up. Who is the ad agency ? - these guys make mega bucks and are master manipulators. Expose the workings of that propoganda machine (believe me the govt did not come up with all the ideas of how to latch onto voters heart strings - they pay ppl to do that). Make the ad agencies answer to their consciences and accept that just 'cos they wanna make a buck, something as evil as the secrecy bill will be supported by millions.

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2012-04-03 07:39

    Time to vote DA Stand up and let your vote be counted this people always corrupt the country need more effort to fight with government

      Mark - 2012-04-03 08:24

      Time to vote for the opposition, not just the DA but for a united front to remove these scumbags from power.

      Thando - 2012-04-03 12:55

      We disbanded th scorpions bcoz of th apparent abuse of its power, tht was 2 protect persons NOT th ANC.......ths info bill actually is exactly bwt get off yo hi horses nd oppose more meaningfl issues lyk access to decent housing in Khayelitsha. Viva th majority party viva.....

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 14:03

      Thando and Viva to ignorance too.

  • Warwick - 2012-04-03 07:42

    When a country gets desperate and loses its way, its laws become DRACONIAN. Sound familiar??...............up north??

  • Mark - 2012-04-03 08:09

    The ANC leadership, if one can call it that, are a bunch of rogues who will stop at nothing to get their way. We should be used to this by now and nothing they now do should surprise us. They need to be watched very carefully as they are becoming a serious threat to both our freedom and our security.

  • justin.pretorius - 2012-04-03 09:15

    The regime will try and do anything it wants to stay in power

      Tony Lapson - 2012-04-03 09:41

      Even manipulate and rob the less fortunate without them knowing it.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-03 14:04

      Tony, haven't they been robbing the poor and less fortunate all the time?.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-04-03 10:26

    Considering Cwele should not even be in office after the charade he and his wife were involved in, although of course the head of national intelligence didn't presumably know what was going on in his own home. Any self respecting Patriot (and I mean loyal to country not the bastardized american version) will ensure documentation reaches the international press irrespective of what the ANC tries to do anyway. "All that is needed for evil to flourish is for good men to say nothing" We have allowed evil to flourish for 18 years, time to take the ANC out with the trash

      robbie.crouch - 2012-04-03 12:10

      This is a diffrent Cwele... but cut from teh same cloth...

  • Lynne - 2012-04-03 10:43

    This advert is misleading and must be banned. It is aimed at people who do not know what the govt. they vote for is actually doing to them. Of course this was the intention of the state security dept. Another devious ANC action

  • Trevor - 2012-04-03 11:09

    I caught the tail-end of one of these ads yesterday morning and was taken by the brazen cheek and propaganda paid for by the tax payer.

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