DA undermining ANC - Numsa

2012-05-01 20:13

Johannesburg - National Metalworkers Union of SA general secretary Irvin Jim has accused the DA of trying to undermine the ANC leadership, SABC news reported on Tuesday.

In a speech at a Workers Day rally in the Northern Cape, Jim referred to the DA as a "Mickey Mouse" organisation, saying it continued to paint a picture that it was better than the ruling party.

He said as workers celebrated this day they had to also ensure the ANC continued to drive a revolutionary programme that was different from that of the Democratic Alliance, and pro-working class.

He called on those gathered at the rally in Kuruman to be united and to keep the African National Congress in power.

  • annman - 2012-05-01 20:18

    WHAT? That wasn't rebuttal NUMSA, that was grade-4 insults. This isn't even newsworthy! Pathetic!

      annman - 2012-05-01 20:31

      Really Lordwick... Really, you going to act that daft?

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-01 20:40

      Sheesh Lordwick . .cheer up dude. I think its best you direct your anger at your thieving cadres. Or does that not bother you? U must be thicker then a week old unsliced bread.

      Robert - 2012-05-01 20:45

      Annman - They are Grade 4 - Why the fuss look at SA and how it is doing - When you do not have any sinfull argument you tend to use the word Mickey Mouse. Whow- wear the shoe if it fits. This is Holiwood man - Everybody is acting in a position of power and spread rediculous arguments for they ensure everybody is at a level of grade 4 - Edumutilation (Failed education). Welcome to Afriwood. Where dumbest rule and the intellegent are amazed at their stupidity (National sport). I aaaammmm tired of this country not the continent - North of our boarders they thing SA is a joke nevermind the rest of the world. Arrogance at it best. Check ECOWAS. That is much better SADEC.

      Robert - 2012-05-01 20:51

      Sadec does not reveal much does it. Only for the elite. Ecowas not.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-01 20:56

      Well done DA!

      Robert - 2012-05-01 21:07

      I dear averybody to use the cANCer, on every news paper clipping or news on the goverment and its performance or Anargy , Nepotism and Corruption before delivering a comment. Like "cANCer" we do not like what X is saying for the following reasons or his an idiot. That will be a struggle not to use the word idiot - but lets try.

      Adam - 2012-05-01 22:29

      Even dog-sh*t is better than the anc. anc voters are not clever, and this is the only talk that impresses them. The DA has shown that it is at least 30 billion times better than the crumbling anc.

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-05-02 08:03

      and the ANC are undermining democracy and good governance

  • Michael White - 2012-05-01 20:21

    typical, Irvin Jim probably pocketing a load wad of underprivilaged cash for that statement, i used to work at a mine where the Numsa was a major union, and let me tell you this, they are EXACTLY like the cANCer, they promise the sun moon and stars and what do the poor workers get? nothing except empty promises and unnessecary trouble, Numsa and cANCer wake up!!! you are the biggest supporter of the DA by driving all of your members into their arms with your stupid lowerclass style of Governing!

      Godfrey - 2012-05-01 21:46

      Its clear Jim is scared he may walk the same revolusionary road as Fat Boy if he said anything against E-Toll, Info Bill, Labour Brokers etc

  • Gregory - 2012-05-01 20:22

    The Anc feels threatened by Mickey mouse.

      Glyn - 2012-05-01 20:37

      Viva Mickey Mouse! Viva!

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-01 20:38

      @Lordwick - but you console yourself with lies everyday. You like the lies ANC tells you - even though they fail to deliver you would rather set fire to a library than admit they have lied, let you down and outright conned you. ANC doesn't care about burnt libraries - they care about votes. I am not saying vote DA but at some point ANC die-hards will have to confront the reality that the Emperor has no clothes

      Smile - 2012-05-01 20:40

      @Lordwick I hear yyou learnt everything you needed to know from Bantu education? Legaletlwa High School? Is that where they taught you ANC idiocracy is okay? ANd you mention me? Well, looks like I am on the ANC's hitlist :(

      Smile - 2012-05-01 21:40

      Hey! I also dislike the old rascist regime's education system. Look at what it created... Clueless monsters. :(

      Adam - 2012-05-01 22:33

      Mickey mouse may just turn into mighty mouse.

  • Smile - 2012-05-01 20:27

    Viva DA!!! They can call you what they want. But the facts will always prove them wrong!! They are threatened by your growing strength. The DA is the peoples party!

      annman - 2012-05-01 20:40

      As you're entitled to supporting corruption, Lordwick :-)

      Glyn - 2012-05-01 20:41

      @Smile - Right! Viva DA! Vote DA to give the anc a fright. It is happening, the anc are nervous!

      Smile - 2012-05-01 20:41

      Cough... The ANC support is dwindling. But of course you dont look at the facts.

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-01 21:05

      @Lordwick - actually no, a people's party is the one that delivers what the people hired them to do.

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-01 21:24

      @Lordwick - yes, thank you I think I take your point. So the DA must be the stick to beat the ANC into delivery? Well yes that is part of the function of the Opposition. Don't you find it very sad that after 100 years of sticks, the ANC still needs more to get going? The dream is in their hands, why do they wait and mess about? How does this serve 100 years of struggle? How does it help the very people they fought for? How does it do justice to all those who fell, who sacrificed to see this day?

      Lordwick - 2012-05-01 21:53

      @ Lacrimose,ANC was founded 100 years ago but have only 18 years in government which is not enough for the majority to realsie what this present corrupt leaders are doing with the country claiming to be representing the party they are still loving and to vote for for as long as they live!! The sticks you are referring to in this forum is already there but from ANC detractors and the few "Black middle-class" which is not enough to combat the clueless majority who votes with their heart instead of minds and consequently the present Corrupt regime is fully aware of that and using that to their advantage by stealing!!!

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-01 22:13

      @Lordwick - OK so you are saying 18yrs is not enough time and ANC voters are not demanding enough. How long is long enough? Because we as a country really cannot wait another 100 yrs - and we should not have to. Sticks is not just this forum - it is the violent service delivery protests, the failures everywhere you look and yes, the opposition highlighting their mistakes. As you yourself acknowledge, the current regime is taking full advantage of hearts over minds and then go on to do really bad things. As a voter, I would be insulted that my loyalty was treated so rudely. How does continuing to vote for them change that attitude/bad behaviour? I'm sorry, I can't see how giving people chance after chance to be wicked and rude, helps anyone move forward. If you can't find another party to vote for, at least teach them a lesson and spoil your ballot. A spoiled ballot can be a very powerful stick too :)

  • thebe.tau - 2012-05-01 20:28

    Oh yes Mangaung is around the corner, every tom JIM and harry is rushing to kiss leadership's ass, is he trying to say the DA should praise the ANC, for what if I may ask?

      Smile - 2012-05-01 20:43

      @Lord&ck. You mentioned work? But you have not done a decent day's work your entire life... How would you know what work is? Typical ANC supporters.

      Smile - 2012-05-01 21:19

      @Lord%ck 1. Don't call me boet. I am not your brother. Get your facts straight. 2. You being an ANC fanatic is more of a example of your intelligence than anything esle. Why? Because you are easy prey for their cheap propoganda, and lies. My crtical thinking is somewhat more developed... so get your facts straight. 3. You being a ANC fanatic means you must take pages out of your master's book. That is my reasoning when I made the comment about you not doing decent work. Rape, murder, tender fraud, genocide: are all thing you beloved cANCer has commited. Get your facts straight. In short... the roten apple does not fall far from it's rotten tree. Get your facts straight.

      Smile - 2012-05-02 09:21

      Ill disagree with both Lord&ck and mister bang. The empty vessle theory has been disproven... The ANC is full of sh&t, yet they make most of the noise.

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  • Vince.York - 2012-05-01 20:32

    Well, as in line with every other African nation, the only way to simply keep "POWER" and crush all citizens and the nation with bad policies - is to follow their example and stifle people and development BUT KEEP THE POPULAR VOTE OF THE ILLITERATE UNAWARE MAJORITY, then go to war / whereby after 35-50 years they and some few children will never remember WHY they went to war.

  • Glyn - 2012-05-01 20:36

    @Jimmy - That is politics you twit!

      Glyn - 2012-05-01 20:43

      The DA is undermining the anc Cosatu is undermining the anc anc is undermining the anc The anc is falling! Vote DA!

  • Guthrie - 2012-05-01 20:39

    Interesting how the ANC care so much about what the DA says or does. Are the ANC not the ruling party? Why do they fear the DA? They must feel that their a threat otherwise they would'nt care and they obviously have alot to hide. No doubt we have seen alot of scandal but I'm sure there's lots more.

      Sharon - 2012-05-01 21:44

      I think reports about corruption in government only scrape the surface. There is much more than we will ever know. The DA has consistently proved that it can govern, if it can manage one province, then why not all of them? If the ANC is feeling threatened by the DA, all I can say is - be afraid, be very afraid, ANC. Your arrogance will be your downfall!

  • Dave - 2012-05-01 20:43

    Irvin Jim is a non person.

  • TheVern69 - 2012-05-01 20:43

    It is better than the ruling party...but not in every respect. Both sides need to learn how to govern. Elect me Pres please! Have a great evening fellow working non-politicians!

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-05-01 20:43

    This is not an intelligence response, must have been in the same wood working class as Juliarse!

  • Lacrimose - 2012-05-01 20:44

    Well if the DA are undermining the ANC then, mission accomplished. If ANC were that unassailable then any opposition's efforts would have no effect. So wow, what an admission! I found the Mickey Mouse reference very appropriate from Goofy living in Never-Never land

  • George Bennie - 2012-05-01 20:44

    The mere fact that this is the common thread in ANC speeches these days, speaks volumes about the DA. Threatened, ANC?

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  • Cameron - 2012-05-01 20:46

    Will then the ANC can learn how to run a country from this "Micky Mouse" party

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-01 20:47

    Nice Glyn

  • Ian - 2012-05-01 20:47

    They're really worried aren't they.............

  • Alan - 2012-05-01 20:48

    Unfortunlety the "mickey Mouse" party the num skull refers to is BETTER than the ruling party mostly because they have educated people in their party which the ruling party lacks !

      Sheik - 2012-05-01 21:04

      The whole of the ANC together can't match one DA member on the education stakes

  • Eduard - 2012-05-01 20:52

    Duh... They do govern better. Everything turns to ashes in the hands of the ANC. Ashoopstigters..

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-01 20:53

    Is "undermining" the same thing Aurora is doing? We don't want no ruling party and specifically we don't want the ANC anywhere near us.

  • Jacobus - 2012-05-01 20:53

    Isn't maybe a case of a 'Mickey Mouse' trying to do damage control???Country is going down the drain,but 'Mickey Mouse'has only got excuses?????

  • esethu3 - 2012-05-01 20:55

    DA is liberal, something most South Africans are not ready for....#JustSaying

      aiazmir - 2012-05-01 21:15

      The DA are not liberal. Their manifesto states that they want to create an open society with opportunities for all. Is that liberal?

      esethu3 - 2012-05-01 21:25

      I'm not bragging but I have to tell you I'm a political Science student. The DA wants the same things that the ANC wants look at their Policy Documents. Then the problems comes on the implementation stage, which the ANC fails and DA seems to manage very well. DA is liberal, from Top to Bottom; obviously for them to gain the Majority Votes they have to look the part. And I must mention Political Parties are all the same.. DA.ANC.COPE.. or whatever. The people in them want power, so their interest can be maximized. SADLY, the DA wont take over from the ANC for the next 50 YEARS. i really wish that i does; so it can prove to all S.A that they are not better... put the DA in power for just 10 year... they will be exactly like the ANC. Dislike all you care...

      Smile - 2012-05-01 21:33

      eesthu. Fact. The younger generation of South Africans are much more liberal. Aswell, as many of the older genrations. We are by far the most liberal society in AFrica. I also agree that the DA is a liberal party. They have stated it a number of times. There is nothing wrong with that. However, we shouldnot think it in the terms of a "conventional" liberal party in the european sense because South Africas political scene is completly diffrent.

      esethu3 - 2012-05-01 21:45

      Smile thank-you for you comment. and that is the sad story of South Africa. Honestly speaking, liberal people are the young and the educated in South Africa, and they are the one who want to put the DA in and kick the ANC out. but the problem, not so many young South African are educated. And it will take time to put the ANC out, the people who dont like what they're are doing and are loyalist to the party just abstain from voting because they say there is no other option. As a Public Policy and Political Student; I believe its good to compare the DA and the ANC. but its sometimes unfair.... Public Administration in South Africa is complicated. the Public Servants are the one bringing this country own.The challenges that the ANC faces now, will also be faced by the DA when in power.

      Smile - 2012-05-01 22:07

      Maybe the DA will face similar challenges. I am not certain about that. I think it has alot to do with the party's inner structure. If the right methods are employed (aswell as the right people) then they might be able avoid certain uhm... fufill certain areas the ANC goverment have neglected. Yes, education is a huge issue. That said I aslo think emotions attached to old memories of the strugle are still deeply ingrained in South Africa's population. Black South African see the DA as a white party... they associate that with the apartheid and they dont vote for the DA (the majority of black South Africans). They see the ANC as their "hero" against apartheid so they vote for the ANC. However... that is a misconception... the ANC played a small part in a huge plot that brought the National party down... and since then the party has completly changed... It does not have the same leaders and moral foundation that it used to have. That said... we have to strive to break misconceptions down. Better ALL South Africans through education. Insure that one day we will have a true multi-party democracy... This one party system is time bomb waiting to go off.

      louis.pienaar1 - 2012-05-01 22:14

      esethu3, I can relate to people not voting for the Anc, with out the DA there are no other options. You wont catch me dead voting for the FF, much less the Anc. And a big issue for the Anc in the last election was people abstaining. But hey, a vote lost is a vote gained.

      Blip - 2012-05-02 05:51

      Of course liberals want an open and free society with opportunities for all. That's not what defines a liberal. "Liberal" and "liberty" after all mean "lovers of freedom". Interfere in other people's free choices as little as possible, and then only if someone's freedom seriously takes away or dilutes someone else's freedom. Liberalism is GOOD. Our world-class constitution is squarely based on liberal and democratic principles. And, yes, the DA is unashamedly liberal.

      CliveK - 2012-05-02 08:49

      Strange how liberal was a dirty word for the Nats, now it's an even dirtier word for the ANC. The similarity between the two becomes more apparent by the day.

  • Xiyani - 2012-05-01 20:55

    Mr jim is really a communist left remind me of che guevara

  • olerilwe.mosiane - 2012-05-01 20:55

    well said mr irvin jim,what more can 1 say?

      Gregory - 2012-05-01 21:04

      Something intelligent - to start with. Nought wrong with wishing for the impossible.....

      CliveK - 2012-05-02 08:51

      Surely politics is all about undermining those you disagree with? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

  • Sheik - 2012-05-01 20:56

    Well let the ruling party do something and prove the DA wrong. We know that, that will only happen when Jesus comes.

  • nicola.killops - 2012-05-01 21:00

    Truth hurts

  • aiazmir - 2012-05-01 21:11

    "DA undermining ANC - Numsa" This is such a numbskull statement of epic proportions that I laughed my head off when I read it. WTF do you suppose the DA would would applaud your communistic ideas? You have got it wrong. Badly wrong. We are going to defeat you numbskull. Not a whites only party, but a democratic alliance of whites and blacks, and do you want to know why? Because you are a bunch of thieving rapists.

      Grant - 2012-05-01 23:09

      It's the opposition, dagnabbit. The DA is SUPPOSED to tell the world that the ANC is crap. And by the way, Mickey Mouse is the GOOD guy.

  • thozi - 2012-05-01 21:12

    I often wonder whether people like Irvin Jim really believe what they say, or is it just acceptable "dirty political propaganda"?

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-05-01 21:36

    Maphuri you named some real leaders.but let's take fidel Castro he wears an army uniform and does not spend money on him self but take juju with R100000 watch can u see the difference juju say if he can't have it then is it only for whites but how can he do this when his brothers are still struggling it's not the people then help yourself.ANC don't care

  • Tee - 2012-05-01 21:42

    People are finaly recovering from the blind loyality that guaranteed the ruling party and its aliance victory!Thanks to the ANC that is becoming arrogant and increasing the gap between its self and the people it represents!

  • IcemanGP - 2012-05-01 21:44

    It is better than the ruling party.

  • Jeremy - 2012-05-01 21:46

    An excellent day for democracy, a small but effective opposition troubling a ruling juggernaut.

  • Wally - 2012-05-01 21:51

    COSATU, SACP, OTHER ALLIANCES: PLZ, start thinking with your heads and NOT your hearts! Open your eyes and be true to yourself and your constituents for a change. Have a look at the front page of the Weekend Post in the Eastern Cape over the past weekend...what a bunch of undermining, non-democratic, self-centred, self-enriching lot is found within the ANC!! It is a total disgrace to this country and ALL of its ppl. I don't mind ANC government, as long as it is honest, found in integrity and uphold the democratic principles they advocate to others. This hypocracy is to end. So, instead of lining your pockets as well to the detriment of the ppl of this country, or aligning yourself therewith, start putting the ANC on terms for a change. They are nothing without the alliance partners, and added to that rotten to the core.

  • Neville - 2012-05-01 21:56

    A Mickey Mouse party but not a CORRUPT party like the ANC stealing from the poor , the union supposed to protect the poor , but they condone the corruption, Unoins do nothing for workers just excepting their hard earn money

  • Alain Alexander - 2012-05-01 22:07

    when will they realize that the ANC is a revolutionary movement and NOT a political party! Their purpose has run its course! They are no longer needed

  • mastermindpete - 2012-05-01 22:25

    We don't have to do that from the DA platform - you do it to yourselves with in-fighting greed and just plain dumb politics you twit !!!!!

  • pjbadenhorst - 2012-05-01 22:25

    I think the ANC is doing an ecellent job at undermining itself. The DA hasn't even started to try yet.

  • Jacques - 2012-05-01 22:28


  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-05-02 05:34

    The Western Cape is a shining example, the DA can and does do a better job... Time to wake up jimmy boy

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-05-02 05:41

    Jimmy ou seen jy en jou coruption unit kan gaan leer by die DA hoe om te manage jo f.k Nutt

  • Blip - 2012-05-02 05:44

    Newsflash! An official opposition party has a mandated JOB to undermine the ruling party. That's what their voters expect them to do. And that's one in four voters, Irvin. That's a whole lot bigger than a mouse.

  • umkhwetha - 2012-05-02 06:40

    How do you call a registered political opposition party , a mickey mouse . Do these people really support democracy . It seems they would want the country to be a one party state if they had their own way .

  • Travis - 2012-05-02 07:00

    ANC undermining entire countrry!

  • Thabo - 2012-05-02 07:20

    \ DA continued to paint a picture that it was better than the ruling party\ by not taking part in any corrupt activities, not looting the state coffers, electing relevant capable people to relevant post and making inroads into townships. That's the meaning of undermining.

  • Louise-Roger - 2012-05-02 07:31

    This is the reason the country is in a mess, idiots making stupid statements. Most intelligent people of all races vote for the DA.

  • CliveK - 2012-05-02 08:46

    The ANC is doing a pretty good job of undermining itself - it doesn't need any help from the DA, or anyone else.

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-05-02 09:11

    Of course they are, they are the opposition, and truth be told, they do seem a million times better than the ANC...

  • Paul - 2012-05-02 09:23

    what a stupid remark of course they are trying to undermine the anc and have itself seen as better than the anc isnt that the basic concept of a opposition party ...unbelievable rediculous statement

  • downsideforsure - 2012-05-02 11:04

    If the DA is a "mickey mouse" organisation, then the majority of the Western Cape voters are either Mickey mice or Mickey mouse supporters!!! But hey, COSATU has spoken so it is a non-issue. Power does corrupt the mind and the spirit as well' it seems.

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