DA wary of Ramphele

2013-02-12 22:28

Cape Town - The Democratic Alliance is aiming to "hammer" the African National Congress at the 2014 polls, but is wary of what effect Mamphela Ramphele may have on the country's political landscape should she enter the fray, the Party's Parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko told AFP on Tuesday.

Mazibuko predicted that the ANC would "win the election but they will take a hammering".

"It wouldn't surprise me if the ANC was pushed into the 50s in this election."

Amid impatience about the stagnating economy and a series of scandals surrounding President Jacob Zuma, the DA smells blood.

"It became clear to us that there's a vast number of South Africans who are utterly turned off by Jacob Zuma and I think the ANC must be picking up the same thing."

But the DA faces its own challenges.

Despite Mazibuko's high profile role, the party is seen as representing upper and middle class whites.

And as of next week the DA may face its own electoral stalking horse, in the form of Ramphele.

The former World Bank managing director and anti-apartheid activist is slated to make an announcement on her political future on Monday.

A new party has the potential to fragment non-ANC voters and draw those mulling a turn to the DA, but Ramphele may yet throw up opportunities for a broad-based coalition.

Mazibuko admits that has caused a haze to descend over the political landscape.

"It's very hard for me to predict now."

"If you'd asked me six months ago, I would have said with some certainty that we'd get between 25% and 30% but I don't know what the electoral landscape is going to look like," said Mazibuko.

  • molefi.matobo - 2013-02-12 22:39

    No party will defeat the ANC, like it or not, ANC is here to stay.

      prakash.singh.169 - 2013-02-12 23:46

      Any party in the world that is corrupt and involved in scandals will be voted out. It sucks you poor, unemployed, homeless, uneducated, black people will still vote for the ANC. This is not the Mandela's ANC.

      mbulelu.diba - 2013-02-13 00:29

      Molefi, you just now admitted you don't have a grasp on how a democracy should function. It is a pity that most ANC supporters is also clueless in this matter.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2013-02-13 01:04

      Molefi, keep taking my food orders at MCD's

      Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-02-13 05:43

      Do you still got your free T-shurt, Cap and CD from the ANC? There is 2 things in life that is true all over the world. 1) It don't matter how big you are, you will still fall/ the bigger you are the bigger the fall. 2) Nothing last for ever, power/ money will not last for ever. The logic, ANC survived the last almost 20 years, they will survive after 2014 for there next 5 years but then after that they will start to crumble and fall. Between the next 5 to 10 years the ANC will no longer be. The new borns frees will make that change, the new borns frees will vote the ANC out. I will be older by then but in my lifetime I will see the ANC loose there power. Nothing last for ever

      Nunu - 2013-02-13 06:14

      What a pity molefi - so we're all doomed then according to you...

      gary.guy.507 - 2013-02-13 06:41

      Funny but u sound just like Ian Smith in Rhodesia!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 11:43

      A butterfly sitting on the anc's back will break it! Be that butterfly that breaks the oligarchs back, vote DA! Or Ramphela's new party if you don't vote DA.

      CheshireCat - 2013-02-13 11:59

      Dumb as mud..

  • - 2013-02-12 22:50

    The DA is a bright student who thinks he is too good to do homework. With the present orientation it will take long to be trusted. Trust is important. Most people who vote ANC may just lack trust for the DA. Build it. Figure out what you have to do. Politics is like driving; You can still die even if you are right. So, being right may not be everything- just a major part.

      Mveli Mthembu - 2013-02-13 01:01

      No party will defeat the ANC come 2014 ANc will still pull 2rd majority again Sorry DA and Ramphele or Cope even

      iNJBL - 2013-02-13 06:41

      Think this is the only well thought out and neutral comment here. Kudos

      paul.kershaw.18 - 2013-02-13 08:29

      If one looks behind the scenes a little the ANC are scrambling to try retain some of their wards a fin example would would be Tlokwe (Potch) in the NW who's council is now headed by a DA mayor. She has refused to drive the previous mayors car which was ordered for him at an exorbitant cost and prefers to drive her own old car for her official duties. The ANC must know that if she decided to sell that car and put that money into a local community project it will set a precedent that all of our population will note - its simple maths, the population will vote where they think they will get. Free ANC T-shirts. KFC etc may not be enough anymore.

      tshepo.maganedisa - 2013-02-13 08:47

      Amen Teddy, couldnt have said it better myself - the DA needs to change its tunes if it wants to seriously challenge the ANC and its not about smart and dumbness its all about trust - the ANC cant be trusted but so is the DA

      ed.gutsche - 2013-02-13 10:25

      tshepo...i agree with you. i personally do not know who to vote for. i vote for the DA as they are the only real option to the corrupt ANC. however, i would not trust helen godzille as far as i could throw her. i have met her often enough and had enough dealings with her cronies to know the real beast that is the DA. however, for democracy to survive, we need a strong opposition, hence my vote. i would however prefer to vote for a person and a party that i could believe in, based on that persons and societies general ethics/morality. MR would have my vote today.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 11:47

      You should write for mad magazine! So literary!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 11:53

      No party is perfect. So just compare the DA with the anc. Who does the corruption? Who destroyed education, who spent billions on useless armaments?? Would the DA build a compound like Zuma has got? No! So vote for the best of the bunch. That is the DA. If you have a neurotic tendency against the DA just boycott the elections!

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2013-02-12 22:57

    the DA is the ANC i see no difference they are all Luthuli, Sisulu, Mbeki and Mandela parties....Lindiwe and Zille will use their secret ballot to vote the ANC in

      drcpot - 2013-02-12 23:25

      I agree, DA is ANC in sheep clothes, just more educated and multiracial, but same values as ANC 15 years ago. ANC not working, why vote to go the same way!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 11:55

      Some idiots here!

  • drcpot - 2013-02-12 23:01

    No ways, DA should join Ramphele, not the other way around (reality we will never have a white prez again), True ANC will not be beaten, the mean South African is to uneducated (community forced) to even draw a cross next to any other party than ANC. Hence we need to find a different way to disband the ANC or even the name, they are born out of violence and terrorism and crime. We need to ban the name ANC as a political party legally, then we will see, and truly be free.

      mo.matt.14 - 2013-02-13 09:33

      Who says we'll never have a white president again. One day, perhaps, all this racial bulls**t will be over, when you and I are dead and forgotten, and our children and grandchildren will be able to vote for someone because of their qualifications, views and policies, and not because of the color of their skin. So we might, one day have a white, colored or Indian president, and who knows, perhaps even a woman.

  • themba.khumalo.520 - 2013-02-12 23:04

    One thing we know; she didnt sup with the Guptas!!

      PointBlank - 2013-02-12 23:22

      Shame lebs, you about a month behind, try keep up. And how do you think Rampele is going to fund her new party? Lotto winnings?

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2013-02-12 23:38

      Who cares. At least she didn't use taxpayers money to fund a private luxury estate!!!

      nu_un_clear - 2013-02-13 08:11

      @lebeau, where have you been? Maybe you should read a newspaper, or better yet, don't comment on things you know nothing about

  • tlotlo.phele - 2013-02-12 23:07

    She has potential to bring ANC and DA

      nu_un_clear - 2013-02-13 08:13

      Yes, just like shoe is to duck. Make some sense you idiot!

      tshepo.maganedisa - 2013-02-13 08:53

      my problem exactly with some (yes some not all) of our white counter parts - they are quick to call people dumb and all that instead of bringing healthy debate you come and present yourself as being wiser than others and how do you expect people to join the DA with that mentality.Learn to be constructive in your debate instead of attacking the other while needing them on your side - the ANC is probarbly not worried at loosing their votes to the DA because of utterance like yours, yes you Nu_Nu_Clear

      mo.matt.14 - 2013-02-13 09:40

      tshepo, even though I agree with some people on here only attacking, I think you are forgetting to take off your racial glasses again. EVERYBODY on here of ALL parties and ALL colours resort to attacking, name-calling, etc. To think that it is only DA supporters is rather bias don't you think? I am sorry but in that same breath there are a LOT of ANC supporters on here that are unable to have healthy debate as well and all they can do is utter propaganda like "ANC will rule until Jesus comes" and "Mazibuko is the Madam's tea lady". So please do not throw stones if you also live in a glass house

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-02-13 09:45

      @tshepo. I agree with the name calling. I have learned that there is always some-one cleverer, more dumb, prettier, uglier, longer, shorter, thinner, father, etc., than one self and therefore calling names will never be appropriate. I must admit that I also do not understand what he is trying to say. Maybe he skipped the word "down" at the end.

  • jungleboy073 - 2013-02-12 23:08

    Does M.R really think she can get 51 percent of the vote? If not, she should not be wasting the voters time and defracturing the opposition even further. Did she not see the COPE movie. We need one voice to get rid of this corrupt regime not another one. It's high time for all opposition voices to put ideological differences and self serving interests aside and do what is right for this country. History is going to judge you harshly.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 10:09

      jungleboy073 I don;t believe that she needs to get 51% - even 21% would do provided her votes came from the disillusioned ANC and minor opposition parties and the DA held their seats which they have currently. I believe that between them, M-R and H-Z & L-M could bring a far better and healthier coalition opposion which is more representational of what we all want to see in this country. As an elderly white woman who has voted for the opposition since the early 70's at every election bar one I would be prepared to accept Mamphele in part because she is a woman but largely because she comes across as a reasonable and intelligent woman prepared to see people as people and not as colours. She represents hope, unlike COPE which was really another Nationalist group of has beens trying to stay on the gravy train. What % of the vote went to them in the last election may well go to DA or Mamphele in this one. I would hope that in the event of her entering politics the DA would do the constructive thing and assist her wherever possible and whenever it is in the interests of all South Africans, regardless of gender/ancestry/history. At the end of the day I want to see someone with integrity and genuine respect for the rule of law and the rights of ALL South Africans to reach their dreams.

      jungleboy073 - 2013-02-13 23:57

      Gail you do have some valid points but i can't get grips with the concept of numerous small parties all happy to sit in opposition while this country continues on the exponential path to a failed state. We are rapidly approaching a tipping point where, for the first time, collective opposition will have the opportunity to significantly alter the future. Credit must be given to some opposition parties for doing things smarter but sadly, we have reached this point because the ANC are so appalling. M.R may be politically cognitive and connected however, she lacks political experience and i don't think she will draw significant support from negative voters. The D A attempted to form a working relationship with her but she turned them down. I don't think the DA owe her anything or any support at all. I have a lot of respect for views but in this instance, going it alone will be her nemesis . I do hope i am wrong.

  • tlotlo.phele - 2013-02-12 23:11

    She has the potential to bring ANC and DA to their knees , race aside, I don't have confidence in the ANC, same with DA, they seem to fight for the gravy train , hence donations from the Guptas, RM has my vote for sure

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 12:04

      Please clarify the "gravy train" bit in a DA context, I failed to get that logic. Put the anc and "gravy train" in one sentence is logical. Put DA and "gravy train in one sentence is not logical.

  • sekuta.botlhole - 2013-02-12 23:16

    I'm rooting for DA all the way!! As a black man it took me a while to face reality and accept that it is not about the colour of person/people in charge but rather what they stand for. I simply asked myself, what kind of SA would i want my kids to grow up in.

      Brad - 2013-02-12 23:19

      Good for you man. Glad to hear it.

      PointBlank - 2013-02-12 23:19


      drcpot - 2013-02-12 23:32

      Why, DA adopted the values of the ANC under Mandela, look where the ANC ended up, with Zuma still getting advice from Mandela, hence the visits to him around CAF tournament, the Romans used the tactics with the Colosseum to keep the nation together, not working anymore.

      thando.ramncwana - 2013-02-13 00:50


      jerry.medina.756 - 2013-02-13 01:22

      You are a sellout. You must be one of the few educated blacks in this forum, according to DA right wingers here.

      Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-02-13 05:52

      That is the right question, in what type of country do you want your children to live in. You are a man with family values, you care about your family and children and not the powers over you. Good man, your children will be proud

      Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-02-13 06:00

      Jerry, how openly can you show your blindness. Get married, get some kids, get some family values, start to become the husband, father and leader in your house and let your house hold look up to you by thinking about your family's and children's future. You want them to live the dream or live in a shack? What you do today will influence there future. I don't vote ANC because I know under them, my children will have no future in SA.

      emmanot1 - 2013-02-13 06:58

      The reality of the matter Sekutla, is that you have not considered the policies the DA will introduce in a long run in this country that you want your children to grow up in. As far as I am concerned colour matters the most in this country, let us start looking in the corporate world where most of us so called 'middle class' spend half our lives. It is clear and visible. I will not vote emotionally because because I feel my kids will have a better future under DA. DA exists because of the ANC period. What policies you know that the DA has implemented? If you want to see the reality of DA go to Cape Town.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2013-02-13 07:03

      kagiso, you are the perfect example of a racist, blinded, brain washed African, Sekuta is the perfect example of a free thinking, educated African who actually cares about the future for his family, Sekuta is the future of SA, you kagiso are a Dinosaur.

      nu_un_clear - 2013-02-13 08:23

      @emmanot, then why does the black family that now lives in the house across the street from me say that they will NEVER move back to Johannesburg and that because of idiots like you stayed up there for too long. The western cape under the DA is but a small taste of what SA could be like.

      nadine.vanrensburg.52 - 2013-02-13 08:28

      Good for you.. Im glad we all want to raise children in a save environment.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 10:28

      drcpot: I'm not entirely sure from your post whether you believe in Mandela or not and feel that the DA has no ideas of its own? They facilitated the release of Mandela with the support of those of us who saw the iniquity of Nationalism of any kind. Surely what w should be striving for is a common identity as South Africans that we can be proud of. Helen has made mistakes one of which I believe is to appear too critical in a negative way but then that is partly the way the media plays it. Sadly under Zuma the ANC has lost credibility through their own somewhat misguided loyalties to certain people.In general they have also lost respect for their supposed concern for the majority through ineptitude and just plain greed and stupidity. I think Hele doing botox was stupid and one can take opposition too far such as her and Lindiwe's attempts to storm the Bastille of Nkandla. In a sense it was an unnecessary act and flew in the face of the people who have benefitted from Nkandla in that region such as the poor majority who may receive some crumbs or evn a whole KFC Box in the future as a result. Zuma has been one long bungled disaster as a president but Helen and I have supported her or should I say the DA since before she came to be the leader also does not represent what we seek in leadership. Currently though she is the strongest person we have with the requisite experience so I hope Mamphele does join politics on Monday.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2013-02-13 10:51

      Kagiso, we should all be in agreement that pre 1994 there was a terrible injustice for the vast majority of South Africans, I question some of the stats that you have quoted, you really believe there has been over 2.8 million RDP houses built since 1994 ? I seriously question that, either way the point is how many billions has been stloen and wasted in that time, whatever stats you quote, even if thay are correct they would have been much better if it was not for the corruption your ANC government encourages and the blatant racism against the white population and to a lesser extent the so called coloured population, remember the majority of whites voted for change and democracy for all, they don't deserve to be treated as the bad guys, they proved by their vote they did not agree with the old regime but unfairly people of your mindset blame them for the wrongs of the past.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2013-02-13 12:18

      kagiso, the fact that the average white person is generally wealthier than the average person of colour has nothing to do with the ANC, they have tried very hard to take from the wealthy, they chose to assist some black people to become absurdly rich in a very few short years and leave the vast majority living in shacks, this is not a communist country at least not yet, the class difference has to do with education, again you can blame your ANC for the poor standard of education for the majority of people in this country, their answer to low pass rate is to lower the required % pass rate, how stupid is that, I see you made no mention of the corruption and lack of basic services, even down to school text books, sorry you will never convince me this government is anything but a corrupt greedy shambles, and no I am not racist, just anti this corrupt government of yours.

  • Brad - 2013-02-12 23:19

    Ironically, the DA would only lose some black middle class voters and those that WERE going to switch to DA after Mangaung. The truth is that Ramphele will simply not have the financial backing that even COPE had to go after the township vote like the DA has. I don't see her making as big an impact on the campaign trail there as the DA...not with just over a year to go...

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2013-02-12 23:40

      But if she were to join the DA she would have that financial backing!!!

      reginald.dube - 2013-02-13 07:38

      but what value will she be in the DA, if blacks that support ANC don't vote for course she is i the DA. her impact will be minimal. but i will vote for her, if she is not joining DA.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 10:59

      Sylvia, use your noggin! If she JOINS the DA she will come to represent the DA to those who vote against the DA now! She has to be seen to bring integrity, morals, moderation and an African perspective to whatever she contributes. No white person can do that no matter how much we try because of our history. I know there are white beggars but they do not know what poverty is. Example: I offered a 25 year old black girl free lodging thinking that she would then be able to save her bus/taxifare from work towards completing her matric (failed due to rape and inadequate health services killing her foster father). The place where she was working does not deduct taxi fare from her wage although neither do they feed her and since it is a start up business it is working less hours. She was going home every night by taxi when she finished work because it was paid for and I really can't blame her. I couldn't feed her as I am a pensioner supported by my sons. That had just never occurred to me purely because I am white and my father died in a Govt hospital so I am not THAT advantaged. This is but one incident in the life of this woman. Imagine the millions of others and what possible problems they have to cope with. Mamphele is a black woman who is independent thinking and deserves support from all black woman out there. She can lead by example instead of through cronyism although to a degree it will always come down to that in Afrcan politicssince one needs willing capable fellows.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 12:15

      And COPE is not dead. Knocked down but not out.

  • jones.mkandawire - 2013-02-12 23:23

    Indeed as she identifies mostly with the educated and the upper class the more reason for da to wary of her. We the non schooled idiots know our political home and care not about how many degrees one has or ones fluency in english is so long basic services are provided

      mantsho.tlali - 2013-02-13 00:44

      U sound uneducated, look at the way you write English, You need to worry about other things too, like Economy, Education, Health Care and Our infrastructure. ANC is not doing well on this things. Somebody else is needed to run this country, l hope you get me.

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-13 01:06

      jones - everyone has the opportunity to be educated. Even you. In fact, you would be welcome. Uneducated wise people are welcome in any discourse. Experience tells. Deliberate stupidity is another story.

      paul.kershaw.18 - 2013-02-13 08:35

      Non Schooled idiots? Basic services only? is that ALL you think you deserve Jones? Then that's all you'll ever get, if any. Continue on your path of self-destruction dude. It's working well for you.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 11:20

      I believe that one thing that Mamphele represents is education and we need that desperately. We have a real problem with respect when it comes to Zuma, respect for anything and everything affecting women and children who are our future. As long as the ANC is in power they will be seen as supporters of violence and corruption against everyone by those who are the victims or paying for the fat cats. Mamphele comes from a background of respect and also education. Unlike the current leadership she has never stood trial for rape or had questionable charges and in some cases plain stupidity and complete disregard for the people who are most in need of help. Uneducated people with power become hungry for things and power and who more than Zuma qualifies for that description. He has an insatiable appetite for women and the good things of life and the key to the Reseve Bank. Anyone who is not for him is removed - he will not take advice from anyone - polygamy is patriarchal and demeans all women which men who have control issues buy into and which is also extremely expensive. Until someone like Mamphele Ramphele stands up for the marginalised the DA will get my vote because they have credibility and they have a vision and policy which ANC supporters brainwashed by the ANC have never read. Theyb represent all the people who do not vote in holding the ANC accountable for its failures - a sign of maturity is being able to deal with and take responsibility for mistakes and redress them.

  • mantsho.tlali - 2013-02-13 00:32

    Ramphele should join the DA as simple as that, she is a very well educated, and intelligent woman and l hope she uses that when she takes her decisions, forming a new party is not a good idea. Look at Cope, at the beginning it looked like a threat to the ANC , and what came afterwards was a disaster. DA is a good party and they are way better than ANC. If they win we will be much better country than we are now.

      manfred.meyer - 2013-02-13 06:42

      @ kagiso. The white man is not the enemy anymore. These days, we are are own worst enemy.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2013-02-13 07:18

      kagiso, I hear your point, it is wrong to call someone an idiot, uneducated etc just because they don't agree with your point of view, please understand it is mostly born out of frustration because they cannot understand how you can continue to support the ANC when all they do is self enrich, they don't care about you or me or any of us, just the people on the gravy train, surely you can see that, they feed you racist crap whilst they continue to feed at the trough knowing you are not watching them, you are too busy with the BS they have fed you.

      reginald.dube - 2013-02-13 07:46

      it cant be said that "we don't understand democracy" if you don't want to vote for DA. we do, we just don't want to vote for DA. i for one don't trust DA, and the moral high ground was removed with the "Gupta money" story.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 12:22

      @kagiso.booi - You are right! It is wrong to call somebody "uneducated, idiots, fools" if they are in fact just plain stupid and vote anc!

  • munyaradzi.nyamarebvu - 2013-02-13 00:39

    DA will gain 40% of the electorate in 2030, at the earliest. The average ANC voter is like a football fan. Buccaneers or amakhosi for life.

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-13 01:07

      Pity them, for they know not what they do.

      nu_un_clear - 2013-02-13 08:27

      I have no pity for stupidity.

  • jerry.medina.756 - 2013-02-13 01:26

    Lindiwe you are under illusion if you really think disgruntlement of ANC supporters equals DA votes. DA should disband and join Ramphele if you are really serious otherwise be content with being opposition for ever.

  • mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-02-13 04:08

    Of course, they are wary of Ramphele. They know they've wasted 18 long years fighting with Julius Malema instead of doing their job.

      mashilejosias.maponya - 2013-02-13 06:32

      i agree fully they are misusing state resourses against juju ,not delivering

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 11:42

      Excuse me! Juju was a decoy for Zuma and a damned well paid stupid one at that. Every time there is a storm in his area houses fall down because of tenders he was involved in and benefitted from and he did not pay taxes either. While the DA did focus on him they also kept their finger on what Zuma was doing in the form of Nkandle and did their damnedest to prevent secrecy bills and bans on the media because the ANC was exposed. Do Not tell me that ANC did anything remotely as difficult as that because they DO have the majority and think that they are perfect and beyond reproach. Thank God for the DA who represent free speech even when it is against them and do actually listen and react constructively to criticism. They have NOT wasted 18 years, they have fought tooth and nail for the common man which includes you mabheshankone because you pay tax if you drink, smoke, work and eat and that is the money that the ANC has wasted on their own elite - the money is there - they just won't share it with all their brothers. I'm beginning to think they may have a point as at least they fought for themselves and their families which no ANC supporter on here does. Why can't you hold the ANC accountable at the polling stations instead of inciting riots which see your own people dying - not Zuma's! The rest of the world does not have enough for their own citizens either socialist or capitalist. The ANC have wasted more money and killed more black people Than apartheid did in 50.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-02-13 23:26

      Gail - we are not talking about the ANC, right now. We are talking about the DA's incompetence in opposition. Come, Mamphela. Come!

  • bongeka.magwaza - 2013-02-13 05:03

    You know what, I don't think I'll vote for the first time this time around. My organisation keeps disappointing me and DA which is the strongest opposition is not giving me a direction or hope. Instead they're against everything ANC does or stands for. If they were against certain individuals who're supposedly or allegedly corrupt then I would've understood their direction. Aunty Zille still has to work on a strattegy to win the hearts of the other majority people who are fed up like me. Stop talking or bad mouthing their (ANC) leaders because they still like them but just fed up. Just do the right thing and correct what ANC does wrong. And the other thing is, the DA is still seen as the party that only has the interest of the whites at heart, I don't know how you're going to deal with that, but you have to and fast. Mama Ramphele is very good at talking to people. She really has a way of putting words into one's ears and be heard. But her problem is, she is not known to the black middle class, and thats where the majority of votes are. It is year 2013 now, and elections are next year 2014. So what has she got, more or less 12 months to make a mark, be heard and trusted by the majority? No I don't think she'll make that much impact to the already known and developed paries. But that's just my opinion, the wind could still swing to any direction it chooses or favours.

      Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-02-13 06:09

      Vote, don't vote, your vote will go to the ruling party ANC, so voting day sit at home, relax, enjoy your day, ANC automatic got your vote

      DuToitCoetzee - 2013-02-13 10:45

      It is not always easy for a person(call them white) to have the same view point than other(call them black) without standing in the same shoes, but you have put a balance view out and I can buy into it. To bridge that a party must be fully representative of all. However, a party must start somewhere and a party holds his own standards/moral grounds. If or when a member of another thought group than join and adjust to these standards/moral grounds, due to same believes, one cant say that these people now suddenly became the same and the party only still serve a certain group. One must be careful for that. If Dr. Ramphele gets it right to stand up and pull the disgruntle vote(call it mostly middle class black) it will be good, but eventually she will most probably than do a coalition with the likes of DA, ACDP, etc. and would it than push the gain vote away? If so, what is the differences? A possible solution can be that she can than take over the rains of a joint venture. We all know Zille will not be in politics for too many elections anymore....or am I wrong? Is the black against white and white against black fear/lack of trust not our biggest problem and should the politicians not rather address that? When this is overcome one would see a total different political party system.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 11:54

      Bongeka. I weep for you because NOT voting is precisely why apartheid went on so long. Not voting means you WANt the ANC to win and have a bigger majority so that they can steal more of your money. Not votingm means throwing away hope for your children' future safety and wellbeing. I urge you to go to the polling station on election day and go into the booth and write andifuna bonke amabantu apha right across the paper. THAT is counted as the % of turnout and made known. The effect it has is to remove credibility from everybody but shows you care for all the things I listed above still. When you don't vote you cease to exist ( a good thing as perhaps tax..) nope you still have to eat a.. SPOIL YOUR VOTE but do not abstain. Tell us what you want competent people of integrity to change, engage even with the DA. Your choice - don't vote and keep getting what you are currently getting or give the DA/Mamphele a chance and see what they can do with it. Spoil your vote and send a message yoy don't support either of them and make them work harder to win your vote.

  • dirk.short.9 - 2013-02-13 05:48

    Maybe the road to victory for the DA does not lie in the DA's hands but in the attitude of the electorate. Read a report based on recent research completed by the Ahmed Kathrada Foundation where it reports that racism is rife in the ANC. Respondents in the research said: "in the ANC racism is still very strong and it can be proven any day, anywhere"; "the ANC is more racist than any political party at the moment"; The ANC "preaches about being non-racist... but is doing the opposite," added another party member. Perhaps the question that should be posed is: "are the electorate ready to embrace non-racism and vote for the DA"?

  • bones.meintjies - 2013-02-13 05:59

    Kagiso, you obviously did not learn to much when you studied. Just look around yourself at the shambles created by the anc. Surely you must be dissapointed?

  • tlotlo.phele - 2013-02-13 06:00

    Reality is, some of u do feel that DA has the interest of the white community at heart, this makes us ANC voters by default, I hope ramphela will bring in a fresh perspective, her ideologies are intended to empower all

      sterling.ferguson.5 - 2013-02-13 07:17

      What is missing in this discussion is tribalism will play a major role in the next election. The ANC never carried the KZN province until Zuma was made the leader of the ANC. The ANC lost votes in every province except the KZN and he is appealing to the Zulus and it might hurt him.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 12:20

      What makes you ANC voters by default is NOT VOTING FOR ANYBODY! Bear in mind that the youth who vote for the first time will replace your no vote so the result in terms of percentage will quite possibly remain the same. Tribalism worked for Zuma in KZN but what is his support base in all the other provinces. I really don't know the exact demographics "Tribally" but I have always understood that there were more Xhosas than Zulus and it took a Xhosa of the stature of Mandela to overthrow the apartheid govt. The Western Cape people are a polyglot cosmopolitan lot who have been sidelined by the Zulu play for domination despite their lack of ability and their cunning criminbal ways. I as a DA supporter believe that the DA has the well being of every single person in SOuth Africa - regardless of their tribe. If Mamphele stands I will consider voting for her depending on her manifesto because I recognise that we need a strong intelligent African woman who can appeal to everyone which the DA cannot do under Lindiwe (too young) and Helen (too old). Both are competent to do what they do well . I wait eagerly for Monday's news.

  • Nunu - 2013-02-13 06:13

    I'm quite happy if the DA loses support due to the emergence of another strong opposition party. Anything to control the ANC is a bonus, they are stealing our country blind. A "blacker" opposition with the right direction is fine - I'll give them my vote rather than the DA, at least if they are seen as "black" they may have a real chance in the future of ousting this horrible ANC.

  • vincent.vinsaint - 2013-02-13 06:47

    I like you Ma'am...and I think you will do well only if you form an Interest group or a Trade Union representing...research who. Forming a political party? Who have you got in your team. I will only vote for you if you are(1 lady show):The Pres; Deputy Pres; Secretary;etc.#phrrrr

  • nyikamn - 2013-02-13 07:01

    There is nothing new this party will bring to the table besides splitting the already strained opposition vote. We have Cope, IFP, DA just to mention a few but still the anc gets the most votes, Cope came in promising new life but a few years into the game the party is facing its own demise. The D..A will only penetrate the black market the day they will realise the majority of voters are black hence they must try to implement a 75% to 25% system , I mean a situation where blacks occupy 75% of senior positions in the party.

      gail.hayesbean - 2013-02-13 12:38

      You see Nyikamn - this is like making children in Junior school run the senior school. Our govt leaders should represent the finest minds and the most honest upstanding citizens who actually have a clue about administering a something as small as a junior school. Would you leave a 6 year old in charge of a group of teenagers for example for two weeks? Running a country is even more complex than running a National Company or an International one for that matter. You can give someone a title but that does not make them able to do the job if they simply do not have the ability. Even adults who win large amounts on the lottery need guidance or within a couple of years all that money will be gone, stolen, spent etc. The DA are garnering more votes than ever before because they are not the ANC and they are not earning huge sums of money and driving the top of the range cars etc.. The ANC's weakest link is Zuma no matter how charming or whaever he is. He lead soldiers - not statesmen. He is wily but not able to unite our country because he has no experience in formal things like eduction and health care and must needs copy someone. We need someone who brings these abilities to the table - not forged in battle but forged in the University of life and education. This is why we do not have the service delivery in the area of most concern. He is not educated in running a business only a bunch of gun toting goons.

  • lungile.ndyibithi - 2013-02-13 07:04

    ANC is not the only party that fought for our freedom, if Ramphele decide otherwise voting for Azapo or PAC is not a wasted vote on my side. I am waiting for the honourable Dr R.

  • bendkoker - 2013-02-13 07:06

    Roughly 15% - maybe even more voters are undecided who to support - Mamphele Ramphele should not be seen as a threat but a welcome addition to a very stagnant political scene.Her contribution and entry into politics will have a long term positive impact for our democracy, the marginalized and our country as a whole. I say - you go girl - you have a lot of support out there!

  • bra.tabs - 2013-02-13 07:09

    Goodbye DA, goodbye COPE, goodbye ANC. Hello Ramphele

      Desi Moodley - 2013-02-13 08:04

      i most certainly hope she doesn't sell us to another party like the tiger and Zanele did!

  • mapepaki - 2013-02-13 07:14

    I don't believe she will carry too much weight in the next election, had she started her own party some two years ago it would have gathered momentum, many thought COPE was going to have an impact,,... damp squib. The promises and bribes will soon be coming Lindiwe, don't show too many of your cards

  • theboet - 2013-02-13 07:20

    For the DA to shed its image as a white party, it has to encourage its members to get rid of that self-righteous, holier than thou attitude that most of its members have in abundance. It just sucks!!

  • brandon.buckley.79 - 2013-02-13 07:30

    The only logical way I see this working, would be for HZ to think as a patriot and not a politician. What she needs to do is offer to step down as the party leader, and invite MR to grab hold of the reigns whilst the rest of the DA go balls to the wall and rally for the next year like no political party has ever done before. While that is happening, MR must continue to throw short jabs at the opposition, where they fail, and also give the voting ANC public a alternative as to how she could fix the ANC’s cock-up’s

  • arthur.salvado - 2013-02-13 07:33

    The majority I.e the poor and uneducated will take the boerewors roll and vote ANC. Must educate the nation and only then will they realise the consequences of their vote. Shame on you South Africa .

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2013-02-13 07:54

    Question is does Ramphele has the political sharp claws Hellen Zille has. Politics is dirty!

  • Erna - 2013-02-13 08:02

    Remember - Ramphele cannot do this on her own. If you vote for her, she needs good representation throughout the country.

  • tom.hudson3 - 2013-02-13 08:04

    This is just the start of a major re-alignment of politics in SA, there will be break aways from both sides to form a centerist party.

  • noory.khan.3 - 2013-02-13 08:05


  • danny.moremi - 2013-02-13 08:06

    she is better than zuma n zille combined

  • noeln.petzer - 2013-02-13 08:07

    South Africa is a nation of differences ... so it would be good to have different parties with the proven track record to represent different views. The DA do an excellent job at representing the people who vote for them ... and they will continue to grow ... but there is a group of people who want something different ... so go for it MR ... The future is in coalitions and shared power ... that is good ... monolithic power in the hands of one group is BAD very BAD ... as we can see in the corruption, rising unemployment, rising crime, failing education and general negativity that exists in our country today ... It doesn't matter who the party is ... too much power in the hands of one group of politicians is always bad ...

  • funiabsalomndala.funi - 2013-02-13 08:08

    Mamphela Ramphele YOU HAVE MY VOTE

  • osmaseko - 2013-02-13 08:17

    Ramphele, Vavi, Prof Jansen, would make a killer combination

  • rita.phillipson.1 - 2013-02-13 08:20

    The aim does not have to be to strengthen the DA - that they must do by altering the face of the party. There are people who are sick and tired of the ANC but will not vote DA - therefore they need an alternative political home which M-R can provide.

  • tlotlo.phele - 2013-02-13 08:21

    It is proven in SA that DA wont topple ANC with only the support of the minority, I believe MR will bridge this gap, only then can ANC be challenged to shape up or ship out

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2013-02-13 08:25

    What a load of Bull Sh@t from the DA 'hammering the ANC the 50s' dream on and i wont be surprised if you lost votes due to your pettiness and trying to score cheap political points and yes DA should be wary of Ramphele since you tried to recruit her she refused she can take a significant number of your voters...

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2013-02-13 08:39

    i really hope the DR will bring a more positive alternative to us and my wish is to see her pushing her party in challenging the ANC not just being contempt in being the main opposition.Ill be watching her very closely and i hope she will be much better than the current opposition-if she is then she will get my vote and if not ill keep my vote since no one deserves it currently

  • dominique.wood.14 - 2013-02-13 08:48

    Dont worry about it DA. You've done us proud and continue to do so each day. If Ramphele shares your good views of how a government should serve, then she should by no means be seen as opposition. Good does not oppose good. We'll stick by you, Ramphele will gain new voters, and together we'll oppose the anc.

  • Habofanoe - 2013-02-13 09:09

    We need an alternative. We have witnessed a lot of misuse of tax money. Ministerial hand book!!

  • pieter.visser.9883 - 2013-02-13 09:20

    A new fresh party studded with people making economic and political sense. Also a party not carrying the stigma of a whites only supporter base...sign me up! This country deserve a brighter future.

  • Nkuna Andries - 2013-02-13 11:00

    Dnt count ur chickens b4 ur eggs hatch. U will be disapointed lyk Cope did.

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-13 11:07

    The main thing is NOT to vote anc. Is she looking for self-glory or to get the anc out? If she is looking for self-glory she will form a separate party. If she is looking to get the anc out she will form a broad coalition or join the DA.

      solo.mathe.5 - 2013-02-13 12:29

      Joining the DA is not an option for her. I thought she'd already made this clear...

  • gary.guy.507 - 2013-02-13 11:55

    @gerald. Yes, in my infinite wisdom I do believe that on average, or in most cases, that is correct. Just because you quote me your particular feelings does not mean that the overall statements are not correct. Of course there is always the exception to every rule. In any case, you were speaking on behalf of the millions of middle class unbiased blacks, so my comments were not about you, you may not have that umbiliacal cord, but the majority do. Your point about abstaining from voting proves my point... the majority either vote ANC or dont vote. (Well actually the majority do vote). Isnt that basically abdicating ones responsibility - to not vote. I mean, of all the 20 or 30 parties, they cannot find and alternative to the ANC. You say "It would be appreciated if you could see life isn't so simple to assume that being ANC means you are being anti DA and being DA you are anti ANC." I say wake up and smell the roses ... unfortunately in our politcal landscape that is the case ... don't quote me your enlightened view on politics; overall, that is the reality in this country, like it or not.

  • solo.mathe.5 - 2013-02-13 12:18

    Both the DA and the ANC would take a hammering, because neither can be trusted...

      firstseed.mbeva - 2013-02-13 13:00

      Truth hurts,tlitlitlitlitlitli!

  • William Mohlolo - 2013-02-13 12:45

    If Ramphela can form new party, both Anc and Da would lose support. People need new ideas for the country. We are tired of leaders who are busy accusing each other and say nothing about how they can improve lives of the people. Coalition will not work for you Mrs Ramphela, bring new ideas and shows SA citizens what you can change in this country. Old parties were there and failed us even now so no need to form coalition. Your party can be strong enough to take most parties down in 2014. Just imagine forming coalition with DA where Mazibuku will teach you how to take all arguments to courts. Cope where Lekota will teach you how to split a party into 2 within 6 months of formation. Both parties failed to defeat Anc so, bring your own ideas and win our votes.

  • firstseed.mbeva - 2013-02-13 12:52