DA's NHI outlook pretentious: ANC

2011-12-07 16:40

Cape Town - The ANC on Wednesday took issue with the Democratic Alliance over its stance on the proposed national health insurance (NHI) system.

The DA's statement on the NHI earlier this week could be described as "pretentious, reckless, and... inconsiderate" of the health needs of the poor, National Assembly health committee chairperson Bevan Goqwana said in a statement.

On Monday, DA spokesperson Mike Waters said the poor would likely suffer more under the NHI.

The DA's research showed that, not only were there serious doubts around the feasibility of the NHI, but that it would actually work against its stated objective to provide better health services for all.

"We believe that the poor will suffer more under the NHI because it will divert billions of rands from other development challenges such as provision of basic services, education, and housing," Waters said.

Goqwana said this statement was "very unfortunate".

"It is a known fact that access to healthcare in our country is still characterised by the depth of one's pocket and their overall socio-economic standing in society."

About 87% of the population was dependent on the country's over-stretched and under-resourced public health system, weighed down by the increasing burden of disease.

On the other hand, the country had a highly resourced private health sector that serviced the needs of a mere 13% of the population.

It was within this context that the decision had been made to introduce the NHI as part of bringing about equity in the provision of healthcare.

"It is this simple reality that the Hon Waters and his party need to understand and accept."

The committee would in due course start with the process of public hearings which would allow all South Africans, rich and poor, to articulate their views on the matter, Goqwana said.

  • Marion - 2011-12-07 16:45

    Healthcare in this country doesn't serve the people right now. How do they propose to get a new system working when they haven't even sorted out the problems in the old system? Throwing money at the problem won't solve it until all mismanagement etc., has been eradicated for starters.

      Kyle - 2011-12-07 17:07

      Hey something we can agree on.

      Mike - 2011-12-07 17:20

      @Marion: Show me ONE (just ONE) iniative by this government that was realistic and worked!!! They milk the last 13 cows and to feed the other 87 and think it would work (yet to be proven, such as nationalisation, anywhere in the world)! ....... and guess who is going to get the tender......? BTW, let the mp's up there be the first ones to sign membership for the NHI! JZ at the top please!!!

      Squeegee - 2011-12-07 17:24

      Did the ANC invest in a new dictionary and Thesaurus?

      Squeegee - 2011-12-07 17:27

      What is pretentious, is a government telling the world to fix the hole in the Ozone while they cannot fix the potholes outside their back door.

      Mike - 2011-12-07 17:54

      @Squeegee: They don't know where the Ozone is!! Maybe outside Limpopo somehwere?

      Bambanani - 2012-03-26 07:26

      @MARION,the old system never worked,if a system doesnt work is common sense that u need to change it.

  • Pieter - 2011-12-07 17:02

    The goverment can't even manage the current system. had my encounter at Steve Biko where susters and nurses sleeping on the job treating sick people black and white like animals.

  • Piet - 2011-12-07 17:07

    The only people who are going to benefit are the connected Cadres, and with the secrecy bill they are going to be able to hide all of thievery from the public! Welcome to the banana republic!

  • Adam - 2011-12-07 17:16

    Goqwana said "It is a known fact that access to healthcare in our country is still characterised by the depth of one's pocket and their overall socio-economic standing in society." Quite correct Sir. Those that want good medical cover and can afford it pay for it as the options the Government offer are unacceptable in countless facets. Watching the steady demise of the Government Hospitals over the past 17 years has encouraged those that can afford it, to make financial sacrifices in other ways to safeguard themselves and their families health by paying insurances for private facilities. “About 87% of the population was dependent on the country's over-stretched and under-resourced public health system, weighed down by the increasing burden of disease.” Quite correct again Sir. And how did it get this way? Maladministration maybe? Corruption within the medical services? Just speculating here. Nonetheless, seeing the demise of what medical options Government once offered (pre ’94), those that could afford it opted for private treatment, same as so many others in Government. Solution Mr. Goqwana, you want to win the “patients back?” You don’t have to offer a service on par with private hospitals, just get the voters hospitals back to where they were in 1994 without taking funding from other social programs. Stop flogging a dead horse.

      Kala - 2011-12-07 17:37

      If people took better care of themselves, like following basic hygiene or having one sexual partner then I'm pretty sure we could reduce the over burdened health system quite drastically. If we paid and treated our medical personal like the private sector does then I'm sure we can significantly increase the number of doctors and nurses in our over burdened health system. Solve the problems at the source. You don't try stem the flow of blood by throwing expensive paper towels at the blood on the pavement.

  • Ryan - 2011-12-07 17:18

    "the mere 13% of people" that have access to private healthcare are the same 13% that have jobs. why dont the muppet ANC focus on other things like creating jobs (theyve created zero so far .. actually unemployment has become far worse since 1994), focusing on quality education (which will create jobs) .. instead the ANC seems hellbent on turning SA into a welfare state. as it is 5 million taxpayers pay for 15 million people's welfare benefits. completely unsustainable. and not the muppet ANC okes think its a good idea to compound the situation

  • George - 2011-12-07 17:20

    The DA are only tring to stop you from making a bigger IDIOT of yourselves. Baldy moron

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-21 20:10

      @ George.. Wish I could give you 100 thumbs up on that one!

  • Peter - 2011-12-07 17:24

    When ALL of us decide to abandon our political posturing we may just find that we are able to find common causes, and improve our mutual lifestyle. I find it very frustrating, and it is now becoming politically ingratiating, to have to listen to and read the twaddle that the DA comes up with every time there is any proposal from the government. I am not a supporter of the government, and neither can I support a gang of political spoilers who will not use the money that they get, as parliamentarians, from us the taxpayers; to find ways to work together for the social good. Instead, they go out of their way to find some 'flaw' in every statement from the government, and then they launch puerile nitpicking initiatives, that serve no purpose other than to clutter up the ether!! Of course, they never seem to offer viable, workable alternatives that serve the purposes of ALL South Africans! Where is this research published? What is the basis, the theorem, the objectives? Or was it merely directed at finding fault with anything that they do not suggest?

      Ryan - 2011-12-07 17:27

      I dont believe the DA are "just trying to find fault"

      Mike - 2011-12-07 17:34

      Try the DA website? Will answer the majority of your questions! If not, click on "Contact us" and someone may assist you within 48 hours....

      Kyle - 2011-12-07 17:40

      @Peter - oh great and wise Peter what would you have the DA do? talk to the ANC, they dont listen. find a compramise with the ANC, they dont listen. try work with them or come up with improved idea's for the ANC that will work, wait for it....... wait for it..... THEY DONT LISTEN. you cannot reason or debate and try change the views of idiots that dont listen. They have the majority and can force through anything they like. If they dont go out of their way to find the flaws, who will? you? no you'll sit their let the ANC run riot and then whine "why is everything F* UP, why did someone not try stop the ANC!" BTW any twit with half a brain can figure out that if the ANC cant get once working institutions to function correctly because of miss mannagement and abuse and theft then there is no way a "new" plan of theirs is going to work any better. But hey lets adopt your approach and let the ANC do what they want with our money, just pray you never have to go to hospital!

      Peter - 2011-12-07 18:12

      @Kyle ...... your response is indicative of the general attitude to which I alluded, full of invective and insults, unfortunately. We will get nowhere as a community by lobbing intellectual missiles at each other, from within our cultural kraals. You cannot expect a constructive response from people whom you call stupid half brained twits, and whom you accuse of constantly transgressing YOUR standards. Of course I am not suggesting that we allow the government to run riot! But the only way to move forward sensibly. AND positively, is to find common ground; and that wont happen amid a storm of insults. The point simply is, is EVERYTHING that the government suggests COMPLETELY flawed, or is there not some point where politicians can agree upon and start to build from there? And, just for your information, I attend a government clinic once a month - it is clean and efficient; and I am not filling the paunch of some avaricious medical aid. Also, I pray often, that we all will find reasonable alternatives to the current social attitudes. Bless you. @Mike - thank you for the suggestion

      pws69 - 2011-12-07 18:57

      "The point simply is, is EVERYTHING that the government suggests COMPLETELY flawed," And you dig the hole even deeper. Did you miss the bit were Zille complimented Manuel on a decent plan? Peter, ignorance is NOT an excuse. Simple rule, don't post if you don't know.

      Peter - 2011-12-07 20:34

      @pws69 . same as Kyle I am afraid. I offer a point for debate and you launch into a tirade of mindless invective and insults. I AM well read and properly informed, which is why I CAN debate my friend. So are you going to continue yelling and throwing tantrums or try and find a way out of the impasse in which we all find ourselves? If the only difference between your beliefs and those of the ruling party is HOW to do it, then you cannot be all that far apart I'm sure.

  • siassmith - 2011-12-07 17:31

    I feel that the NHI is good initiative, but the question stands if the current government will be able to pull it off successfully and where they are going to get the funds from!

  • Hasane - 2011-12-07 17:31

    ANC had failed us they know very well that most of their votes come from poverty stricken province like limpopo, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, they first introduce the child support grand to get votes, then when they see that those young girls whom get pregnant for the sake of the grant are dying thats when they introduce the ARV's which is costing the country billions of rands, now they see that even if on ARV's they should get better health care so that they can survive for the next few years so to get votes. ANC should relook at its mistakes and start educating the poor put them to universities.

  • Alfred - 2011-12-07 17:40

    I believe the ANC really are committed to equality. All they want is for healthcare to be equally as useless for everyone whether you can afford your own or not and regardless of how much they squeeze out of Joe Taxpayer to fund the NHI and all the thievery, bribery and corruption that will undoubtedly come with it. All the ANC simpletons are trying to do is take the monumental stuff up that government health care already is now and make it even bigger. The ANC's mantra of, "If it works, break it" looks like it's coming into play here as SA's private healthcare is supposedly pretty top notch and the only real choice, although outrageously expensive, since it's the only one that actually does what it's supposed to.

  • giuseppe.bonaccorsi - 2011-12-07 17:47

    Goqwana is right. The same statement we had in Italy when in the 20's Mussolini proposed the NHI, wild capitalism is hard to convince. Today I can say that, a part the big error to join Hitler, I say thank you Benito I am fine today.

      pws69 - 2011-12-07 19:24

      Yup, and Italy is in fine financial shape today hey? On the verge of collapsing the Eurozone all by themselves, with stagnant employment growth for over a decade, massive debt about to bury the country, and you voted for that twat Silvio HOW MANY TIMES? If that is what you consider fine, I shudder in disbelief.

  • Ron - 2011-12-07 17:48

    This demonstrates the utter ignorance, incompetence and arrogance of the ANC. The 13% served by the private healthcare system PAYS for the provate healthcare system... that's why it EXISTS. The ANC regime has, by virtue of its proposed action, acknowledged its inability to provide basic healthcare for the masses - and it's trying to divert attention away from this fact by proposing to take from those that pay for their services to give to those that don't. Thiss is a strong case for regime change!

  • Ry Short - 2011-12-07 17:50

    Sho, these guys are good!! Who else would have thought of such a brave initiative as to tell people what to do?? Never mind that facts are facts and the facts explain why some people choose to go for private medical aid or that the current state of government run hospitals and clinics actually make people more sick just thinking about having to go to them. But you go, faceless ANC cadre, you tell the people what they will do! Because god knows there's not one among us smart enough to figure this stuff out without your guidance!! Never mind those whinging white harbringers of suburban and first world problems, the DA, they just wanna make you look worse than you make yourselves look..

  • Msholozi - 2011-12-07 17:52

    why is the western cape undermining the ruling party when they want to give health care to the people but they cry foul because they dont make profit

      Irene - 2011-12-07 18:21

      Why not ask your wonderful ANC why they messed up the public health system? Then ask them how they think they can possibly manage the private as well as public health system? Eish, some people are not capable of thinking.

      pws69 - 2011-12-07 19:26

      It is not about NOT giveing health care to the people, but HOW to do it where the DA differs. The DA and ANC have fundamentally different views on HOW an outcome must be achieved. Look at each parties top 10 priorities, and you will find them very similar.

  • Irene - 2011-12-07 18:19

    Actually ANC, the DA's views are not pretentious. Do you understand the meaning of the word? Obviously not. At least the DA are not unrealistic. Instead of trying to mess up the entire health service in this country, why not start at fixing the public health system that you've managed to mess up? If you get that one right (which we all know you won't), then you can poke your nose into things that don't concern you, but first, fix up what you're messed up. Maaifoedies!!!

  • pws69 - 2011-12-07 18:49

    Well, we were given a similar fairytale by the ANC on OBE, and look how that ended in tears, with over 2/3rds of all students entering grade 8 functionally illiterate, and only 21% actually matriculating. I'll go with the DA on this one, thanks very much.

  • sibusiso.mkoko - 2011-12-07 22:33

    there they go again, protecting the interest of capitalist monopoly and medical aids/private sector. Afraid many capitalists wil go out of business, and black diamonds will rise. Well, sori, the NHI wil be implemented with full force, whether they like it or not, even in the W.Cape, Midvaal, etc. And it will work. Done!

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