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De Klerk comments leave ANC miffed

2012-11-01 22:15

Johannesburg - Former president FW de Klerk is trying to portray the National Party as a better administrator than the ANC, the Eastern Cape ANC said on Thursday.

"He forgets that in our 18 years of democratic government, we have done things that they deliberately decided not to do," provincial secretary Lubabalo Oscar Mabuyane said in a statement.

"The situation of our economy is because they literally kicked black people out of the economy and society."

The African National Congress was reacting to earlier reports that De Klerk had blamed the ANC for the country's spiralling social and economic woes.

On Wednesday, during a speech to business leaders, De Klerk lambasted the wealth-redistribution policies of the ANC.

He reportedly said they would cause "social engineering in which people's prospects would once again be determined by race, rather than by individual merit and circumstances".

De Klerk acknowledged that some of the country's woes were inherited from apartheid, but argued that the ANC was failing to deal with them.

Mabuyane said De Klerk, a former apartheid leader with "blood dripping from his hands", could not lecture the ANC about economic choices it made.

"We will continue with the affirmative action, black economic empowerment programme and other economic development policies that continue to boost our economy," he said.

"The best thing that De Klerk can do is to keep quiet or try to encourage white South African companies to join the national democratic revolution by creating jobs, providing training opportunities and paying black people salaries equal to those of their coloured, Indian and white counterparts."

Comments
  • Sharmay - 2012-11-01 22:19

    And why do we care what the ANC thinks? They don't care about what we think. Go be miff somewhere else. Sour grapes, that's all.

      andres.dewet - 2012-11-01 22:59

      The Eastern Cape ANC lays into him... HAHA! That's ironic. The Census 2011 figures confirmed they have an outward migration epidemic, with 892,000 ECape residents resettling in the WCape since 2001. Maybe stop blaming things, you're in power now... lead, fix problems, stop passing the buck!

      lsfreak - 2012-11-01 23:42

      This from a bankrupt Provice... like WTF Bisho is a Blackhole, money goes in and disappears into thin-air... The whole cANCer works on a policy of "What's in it for ME" from the Zipper right down. It's been said that more people are shot by the cops since '94 than the period '75-'94. And let's not mention employment offical 25% asper Labour Dept cause those are currently claiming UIF (8mths) not the 25% that have used their UIF and still not working :/

      werner.m.strydom - 2012-11-01 23:43

      "The situation of our economy is because they literally kicked black people out of the economy and society." Just another day in the ANC. Forever blaming others, forever unaware of their own shortcomings and short-sightedness. We must have the most pathetic group of morons ever to have had the audacity to call themselves a political party.

      honey.deelishus - 2012-11-01 23:58

      He forgets that in our 18 years of democratic government, we have done things that they deliberately decided not to do, - YES Like rob, steal, cheat and denigrate the common people!

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-02 00:18

      "We will continue with the affirmative action, black economic empowerment programme and other economic development policies that continue to boost our economy," Talk into the mike you fool from the Eastern Cape> What economy are you talking about - Eastern Cape ? Lol

      Oraniaboer - 2012-11-02 01:04

      Jissie De Klerk thanks for saying something and frankly whatever the dum anc cadres are saying runs in one ear and out the other.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-02 01:32

      "The best thing that De Klerk can do is to keep quiet or try to encourage white South African companies to join the national democratic revolution..." The last two words of the quote say it all. After 18 years democracies don't have revolutions they have programs for growth progress in those programs, processes to make changes, procedures for finding solutions to ongoing problems, sometimes set backs, and challenges, but not revolutions. Governing is about accepting challenges and putting forth viable solutions. Communists are the ones who hide behind the slogans of revolution and struggle. SA needs to decide whether it will be a democracy or a communist/socialist state. Sad thing is that even China realized that if it were ever to compete on the world stage it would have to move away from communism and toward a free market system. There is no example in history of a communist state lasting for any length of time. Look to Europe, the more socialist the economic system the deeper it's recession. "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money" as the quote goes. And it is true as long as people are willing to pay the tab for others socialism and redistribution of wealth works. This is not to say that programs that help the formerly disadvantaged aren't necessary in righting past wrongs, but understanding that providing those opportunities is more than shouting "revolutionary slogans," and it will never happen with redistribution.

      danie.strydom.7 - 2012-11-02 04:48

      "He forgets that in our 18 years of democratic government, we have done things that they deliberately decided not to do," provincial secretary Lubabalo Oscar Mabuyane said in a statement." ....... Steal from your own people ?

      daniel.jacobs.3766 - 2012-11-02 08:22

      It's not De Klerck who tries to 'portray the former NP as a better administrator' - It's the ANC DEMONSTRATING that its a terrible administrator.

      chrono.man.7 - 2012-11-02 08:35

      @annman, I hope you realise that the resettlement of those 892,000 was a deliberate plan of the ANC to dominate elections in the Western Cape.

      george.outremer - 2012-11-02 08:40

      The ANC regime enjoy dishing out criticism but hate it when leaders critique their poor leadership. The only response these ANC cadres can offer is to deploy their spin doctors to declare every criticism a lie instead of dealing with the issues. This speaks to their inability to lead and act. Parasites feeding on the taxpayer - the whole lot of them! To de Klerk I say: keep up the good work of exposing these ANC cadres for the imbeciles they are.

      VWhitepaw - 2012-11-02 08:44

      You forget also... Created the blue light convoys that pushes people off the roads and races at high speeds around roads. Scarped plans from the appartheid time to built an additional power station. Built toll roads on freeways. Re-distributed productive farms that was shipping internationally and are now not even sustaining the people that live there. Yea... They did a lot...

      frank.kistler.31 - 2012-11-02 08:47

      ANC - Why don't u work for it...instead of BEE bs stories.....wake UP!!!!!

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-02 10:53

      Well said. Bloody cANCer agents.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-11-02 11:26

      @Kagiso, I, much like you cannot grasp how black people fail to see the short commings of our current government. While i agree that defending apartheid in any way is crazy, so too is defending the current bunch. Always remember, only people with strong feelings express on this forum and it in no way represents what the majority of South Africa feel. If you understand the meaning of racism, you will see that there are and many Black racists as there are white

      johny.stront - 2012-11-02 11:32

      Did Apartheid., - Cause SA's current trade deficit..? - Cause the current flight of investment capital from SA..? - Cause the out of control population growth..? - Cause the false CPIX current presented by STATS-SA (probably half of the de facto rate)..? - Make the current government so corrupt..? - Build Nkandla..? - Invent e-Toll..? - Destroy SAA, Telkom, the SABC, etc. - Have the worst economic growth rate in Africa..? - Destroy the infrastructure..? - Produce the current Illiterate Graduates..? - Eat up the text-books..? - Or caused Hurricane Sally..?

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-11-02 12:28

      Foe.no, Less hate, ANC leadership can learn a lot from de Klerk. It would be a disgrace to even try compare these ANC criminals to de Klerk, an educated, intelligent, wise and strong leader. Unfortunately you bunch will never have the privilege of experiencing a leader like de Klerk, and that is beyond sad!!

      pieroleroux - 2012-11-02 12:39

      @Kagiso & @Foe.no... Guys firstly you have it wrong. We don't want another white government. We all know that will never work in Africa. Why is always such a race thing for you guys. C'mon all we want is a sustainable & balanced government that serves ALL the people of the country. Doesnt matter what race they are. The ANC clearly cannot and will not live up to this requirement. We arguing against that. Not because its a black gov, because they are wrong for this country. You are all fools for supporting them. We are fighting against wrong doings, not race. All the comments here are against their policies, not them as a race. Get it into your thick & cluttered heads!!!!

      marius.a.visser - 2012-11-02 14:58

      Its not the concern for economic freedom they are professing, its their intense hatred for whites that drives them.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-11-02 18:11

      these ANC okes are dumb fukcs. here are the facts. forget about the past, because in the present every year there are more and more black people unemployed. every year there are almost 900 000 first time job applicants (ie. after finishing schooling) but our economy under the ANC can barely create 200 000 jobs a year. that means a net 700 000 more unemployed every year. the ANC has done ZERO to alleviate unemployment in almost two decades, and every year it just gets worse. useless idiots

      alex.richards.94064 - 2012-11-03 07:18

      @YOUNGBLACKANDANGRY. Have you also been at the ANCYL youth military training? Your name says you are advantaged.

      makgale.makgalemele - 2012-11-03 07:30

      eastern cape? which one? the same province that has messed Umtata, the nice town established by apartheid government? What have they done in 18 years? YOU can do more and better than that. Unfortunately we are an African country just like our 'cursed' fellow African neighbours. No matter how much we defend ourselves Sharmay, we cannot manage even a Spaza shop.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-11-01 22:23

    The national democratic revolution is not creating jobs and it never will. Not the ANC, the government, the SACP or the trade unions will create jobs. But carry on.

      Juan - 2012-11-02 04:35

      It is very clear that the ANC doesn't have the foggiest clue how to create jobs. First of all their failure in dealing with the ongoing wildcat & violent strikes has destroyed South Africa's reputation as a country to invest and do business in. Then there is the tough labor legislation which protect the relatively few who are luck enough to have jobs, but ignores the millions who are jobless. Investors now prefer other emerging markets to invest in that offer better returns and less risk, which in today's tough world economic conditions are something South Africa can ill afford. But yeah ANC carry in running SA into the ground.

      hannelie.vanheerden.77 - 2012-11-02 06:54

      How do you empower people and get them from ‘ignorance’ to ‘competence’, ‘competence’ to ‘excellence’? Education is only part of it. What AA and BEE totally ignored is the fact that mentorship is priceless. Instead of getting rid of highly educated and skilled whites and criminalizing us, there should have been a true, mutually beneficial collaboration. The old adage – that a cake can only be cut into so many pieces – comes to mind. People of all races should have been encouraged and assisted to ‘bake more cakes’. Instead our country now reaps the reward of a policy of encouraging racial hatred on every level. The fallout thanks to the destructive approach taken by the ruling party is mind-boggling. Approximately 1 million whites have left the country, another million sit in white squatter camps and the few of us that still have jobs, struggle to survive the endless rise in electricity costs, hidden ‘taxes’ and general cost of living. As an added bonus we will now have to add to that the toll fees and its horrendous impact on an already fragile economy. NHI is also lurking just around the corner. But we are not allowed to complain. We are the evil – earn 6 times more than blacks – whiteys. I’m sure that when you compare apples with apples – white lT specialist to black IT specialist, doctor to doctor, etc. you will find another picture. But everything is used to fuel the racial fire. To be continued…

      hannelie.vanheerden.77 - 2012-11-02 06:55

      The apartheid government can be blamed for many things, but if you take a step back and peruse the bigger picture, it at least showed a country that was moving forward and held promise. Today we face a bleak landscape of a government of empty promises who is trapping millions in the grip of ignorance and hatred, only to the benefit of a few greedy politicians who will walk away once there is nothing left. As much as I blame FW de Klerk’s ineptitude at negotiating a better deal for the whites - who held the key to creating a better life for all the citizens of this country, I must sadly bear witness to his pathetic attempts at trying to stop the ship from finally disappearing under the waves and think – maybe despite the benefits of selling out a country, he realizes his tragic mistake and has a hard time living with it. It is a minuscule and worthless consolation price. Cry the beloved country.

      mariuskowie - 2012-11-02 08:07

      "...South African companies to join the national democratic revolution by creating jobs..." At the same time the ANC is stating that the economy is in the hands of whites. They are contradicting themselves constantly. It indicates that the ANC as a political party is either totally incompetent,in total disarray or with so many factions internally that they cannot function any more. Then again when thugs and criminals are entrenched in the ANC structures, it is a case of everyone for himself and bugger the rest. Maybe it is a combination of all the above.......

      VWhitepaw - 2012-11-02 08:30

      "affirmative action" and "boost our economy" should not be in the same sentence, unless Lubabalo Oscar Mabuyane is hinting that only black South Africans is part of the South African economy. "affirmative action" is by definition racist. If anything, programs like "affirmative action" is causing economy growth hindrances issues as the right color is hired instead of the right person(black or white or any other color).

      Willie - 2012-11-02 09:27

      "....national democratic revolution..." true democracies do not talk about the revolution,they listen to critics. Why should FW tell compamies to hire people. Same question WHY ia the ANCis not telling the crooks in BBBBBEEEE TO CREATE JOBS

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-01 22:23

    He certainly was much better at it... truth hurts morons!

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-11-02 04:12

      And cheaper too !!!

  • Sharmay - 2012-11-01 22:23

    They should learn to take some constructive criticism. It points out faults that they are too blind to see and maybe they'd take a pause from stealing our tax money and actually do something about it.

      art5SA - 2012-11-02 05:20

      Eastern Cape..... another "SUCCESSFUL ANC PROVINCE".... I am still BAFFLED that the ANC has BANKRUPTED THREE PROVINCES... HTF does one BANKRUPT a Province???? Serious!

      fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-11-02 07:12

      Remember anc guideline for success - screw it up completely then blame someone else - like a toddler everything they see they think is theirs until it is broken - then its is yours and your fault it is broken.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-02 07:23

      I agree with part that they need to take constructive critism, De klerk has taken responsibility for the fact that some of the problems we have today were inherited from the apartheid government,I think it takes a true leader to admit to their mistakes, ANC just wants to come out smelling likes roses.

      rupertleturcia.sadan - 2012-11-02 19:43

      Tell them Sharmay. WTF.

  • Bafana Joseph - 2012-11-01 22:29

    National Part was far better than ANC

      Sharmay - 2012-11-01 22:32

      Some of the NP's ideas were terrible (Apartheid) but at least De Klerk stepped up to the plate and helped put an end to it. These fools in the ANC think the money will keep coming from the exhausted taxpayers and people can live on empty promises..

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-11-01 23:57

      At least things worked, roads were good, hands weren't in the cookie jar. Don't come with the "There was Corruption under NP rule as there is no cases proven"....ANC on the other hand have admitted that they openly steal to a tune of nearly R250 bilion odd, their Leader even builds himself a "Neverland" with TAX money. ANC should learn to use taxpayers money and not look for ways of routing it to their pockets, only then will words from Apartheid leaders not hurt so much.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-02 08:53

      Be careful Bafana, you'll be called a coconut.

      matli.mokoena - 2012-11-02 10:46

      oh gosh!!! de klerk this, de klerk that. the guy did not sinlge handedly end apartheid, he just folded to the pressures from the rest of the world.

      rontheogre - 2012-11-02 18:11

      Matli, you are sadly mistaken. De Klerk did not get up one day and tell the rest of the whites in the country that due to the international pressure, apartheid is now a thing of the past. The change came because the majority of white people voted to live in a democratic country. The international attention did make it possible for the whites to say so out loud in an organised forum without violence or the fear of being prosecuted for siding with the "enemy". The white people put their faith and trust into the hands of the majority of this country to do with as they please, and so far, not so good. All that we asked for is to be equal to everybody else in this country so that we could together nurture and develop the talent and potential of South Africa. But the leaders of the ANC saw this as a weakness and an opportunity to strip the country and its people for their own benefit while the people of SA were supposed to be happy with basic things like access to water and electricity, bad quality housing and small grants and a lowering level of education while they amassed fortunes. It is the job of the voters, more specifically the ANC supporters, to force the ANC in placing people in government that can do the job for the people and not for themselves. If the ANC can deliver on that, all will vote for them, including me.

  • No.You're a handbag - 2012-11-01 22:30

    They WERE better administrators and managers! That doesn't mean they were right. However, I think there may be certain types of fungus, and certainly dried up dog poo that are ALSO better administrators than the ANC. What's your point?

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-01 22:54

      Well said. Poo producers gas as it breaks down and feeds the earth. Useful stuff I would say. I am not sure how - or if - this lot decompose.

  • marcel.vanstaden.1 - 2012-11-01 22:44

    Dear Mabuyane. Anger is not going to solve this problem. Let the white people you refer to help all (South-Africans) because misspending by current government and not being allowed to voice a opinion does not sound very democratic. P.S. go have a look at our current situation in S.A before you quiet me two.

      marcel.vanstaden.1 - 2012-11-01 22:48

      P.S. I would like you to share some more view's too the two of us.

  • rswicomb - 2012-11-01 22:46

    I'm coloured. This bbbee is just for black people. Anc speaks about equality where they themselves only look out for the well-being of the black people in this country. Most educated people are not black. Appoint people based on qualifications not the colour of their skin. Fully agree with mr DeKlerk.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-11-01 23:08

      But they want your vote.

      rswicomb - 2012-11-02 01:06

      who is in power is not my concern. However the people in power should treat everyone equal. Im a graduate entering the job market now, i will most probably be looked over because i am not black. Sadly, this is the case with the current democracy in our country. Why not change from democracy to meritocracy! Let people be awarded jobs by merit (qualification) then the economy will grow because qualified people are appointed not the current state where the uneducated without even primary school qualification run for high profile positions.

      clive.brink - 2012-11-02 06:56

      BBBEE does not only favour black people, its worse than that, its riddled with tribalism too! You not one of the regional ruling tribe you stand no chance, and lately if you aint a Zulu you are unlikely to get the "um, it's the lekka gravy!" contracts. Its a good excuse to hide the festering corruption if you ask me.

      barnie.huysamer - 2012-11-02 09:21

      @ ayanda. Exposing corruption is not easy with the current government in charge. Note what's happening with the investigations into the arms deal/zumaville (court orders being ignored / information being withheld). The government is also trying to pass the new "Secrecy Bill" - this will make it even more difficult to uncover corruption. BEE is possibly the cause of corruption/bribery in white and coloured businesses - companies are forced to deal with BEE companies due to legislation passed by the ANC. Consider this: It is estimated that 600 Billion + Rand has been lost due to corruption/wasteful expenditure in the past 18 years. You must agree that this amount of money would have gone a long way to uplift the poor. Peace to you too :-)

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-01 22:49

    Once again like stupid kids do the ANC react especially if its someone from the old NAT party making the comments..so infantile so indicative of where the leading party stand..they have learned nothing after all these years in power..poo poo poo shame shame shame you poor little ANC ones...must be guilty is all to react so quickly !!!?

  • pieter.calitz - 2012-11-01 22:51

    MMM..let's see. How many power stations were built under ANC rule? 100? 200? No...zilch How many power stations were built under apartheid? 0? No...all of them. That means all the power that are now distributed to all communities comes from Apartheid.. Now who is taking the credit for this?

      sheik.mohammad.378 - 2012-11-02 00:06

      The ANC sold some of the power stations that were mothballed. So REALITY in fact, power stations built under ANC rule goes into a minus figure.

  • pieter.calitz - 2012-11-01 22:54

    MMM, let me see... The price of electricity with the same number of power stations during apartheid was 1/3 of what it is now? And who is in power now?

  • Erna - 2012-11-01 22:57

    The anc is so lost at the moment that they have no idea how to get out of the mess they have made of (working) education, health, transport, public works systems. Instead of expanding and improving working systems, they threw out all the nasty apartheid systems and introduced their own with devastating results. I have lost count of how many different education formats we have had, all costing enormous amounts of money when they are changed. Next year they're introducing another one - CAPS - meaning new books, training of teachers, etc.

  • pieter.calitz - 2012-11-01 22:57

    MMM, let's see Who is benefiting from the the construction of the new power stations which has been delayed by a year and which the taxpayer has been funding for a while now? Chancellor House. Maybe, just maybe...he may be right? What do you think?

  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-01 22:57

    The ANC should be thankful that some whites..those that live here actually care what they do running this country..cause nobody else does..they all just waiting for them to fail and destroy the biggest economy in Africa..!

      thembi.neville.7 - 2012-11-01 23:37

      I don't likes a rubbish people to destroy Africa Economy,coz it's a richest continent in Africa!

      tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-11-02 02:13

      Its really sad when people bash De Klerk when all he has done is speak the truth. Especially since all his comments call for is better governance, integrity, and a higher standard for the citizens of this country...including these very same critics. If only they valued SA, themselves and their families as much, but no, they rather defend those that steal from them, deceive them, that fail to provide the framework within which they could all prospur, as is their mandate as Govt. the situation is steadily detoriating, and still they support these new oppressors and their destructive behaviour, and attack those fighting for a cause that demands the oppressor reform itself and support its electorate and citizenry, by performing its duty honestly and diligently so these very same critics can enjoy a better life...and why? all because the man fighting their corner's skin is white and the one failing them is black. How short-sighted and self destructive. Winning some petty race war is of so much more value to them than the safety, well-being, and properity of their mothers, fathers, siblings, children, friends, community and country. Ironically all they do is allow themselves to be further marginalised by not demanding better, with De Klerk. In the end allow themselves to be made into second class citizens, effectively losing their imaginary race war, since whites can sustain themselves, we don't need good governance as much as they do. Maybe one day they'll understand.

  • Julian Jackson - 2012-11-01 23:12

    The longer affirmative action is in place, the longer we will slip behind the world in economic growth.. By employing people primarily on any grounds except merit, while other countries put their best people in place, can only cause us to slip behind our competitors. This is not the time to lose skilled people who are emigrating.. This is not the time to cause inefficiency by employing anyone but the best.. This is the time to put the best people in place and grow our economy so that we can afford to spend money on training the unskilled and disadvantaged.

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-11-01 23:12

    De Klerk has more intelligence in his "right cheek" than the entire ANC combined. It is not white South Africa that is responsible for creating jobs, it is the government that is responsible for creating an environment for economic growth or at the very least sustain the economy, not take SA into the dark ages.

      Cuteandbronzed - 2012-11-03 03:33

      JUST A QUESTION WHY DO WHITES COMPLAIN ABOUT AFFIRMITIVE ACTION WHEN THE WOMAN NENEVER WORKED THEY WERE JUST HOUSE WIVES COULDNT EVEN CLEAN..COOK..AND EVEN SLEEP..WITH THERE OWN HUSBANDS BLACK WOMAN DID THATS WHY THERE SO MANY COLOURED PEOPLE....AND WHAT ANNOYS ME IS THOSE OLD WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN WANTING MY BEHIND..EWWWWWW!!! I ONLY DATE EUROPEANS...AND HOW ABOUT THAT AD ON TV OF THAT BLACK GIRL KISSING THAT WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN..EWWWWW LIKE DIGUST ME WHY DONT YOU!!! EWWWW

  • bheki.shabangu.10 - 2012-11-01 23:14

    Who's De Klerk? is he the next president?

      duncan.gill1 - 2012-11-01 23:34

      We can only wish!!!

      TSR01 - 2012-11-01 23:46

      bheki.shabangu.10, go back to school, he already was president, and a bloody good one at that!!

      No.You're a handbag - 2012-11-02 04:48

      He's a nobel peace prize winner. Why? Who are YOU?

      No.You're a handbag - 2012-11-02 07:20

      Jointly. With Madiba. What are you?

      Andrea - 2012-11-02 08:46

      bheki, stop displaying your IQ after your name, it's completely unnecessary, we can tell by your posts you are dumb as a brick.

      theo.konings.9 - 2012-11-02 09:31

      @Bekkie.No unfortunately he has matric and a university degree so he is too qualified to lead the clueless sheep that vote cANCer.

  • gabriel.n.ogbeifun - 2012-11-01 23:14

    What ar u guys saying apartheid goverment only care 4 14% of d popula and anc is devoting al it resource to care 4 everybody white.black,coloured and indian.pls we must learn to stick to d truth.d anc goverment has benefit everybody that lve in sa. White 4 gudnes sake learn to share fr d money that u guys hv stolen fr black and d goverment

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-11-01 23:24

      The ANC has helped themselves and no one.else.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-11-01 23:43

      @gabriel ~ All I can say to you is this: Shame!

      yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-11-01 23:44

      I disagree, I am Indian and the ANC has not helped me one bit. All they have done is create an environment where I have been constantly told that I cannot have a job because it is as affirmative action position, where my mother is rejected for management positions because of affirmative action (yet she is head hunted to work in the Middle East), where my father was held up at gun point, where by brother was held up at knife point, where my uncle was stabbed and almost hijacked, where another uncle was almost killed by striking truck drivers because he choose to do his job and not strike, where my friends with straight A are rejected from medical school because of quotas. I could go on and on but I am sure you get the picture.

      nketso.kgwadi - 2012-11-01 23:51

      @elize funny how u whites say people r living in dire poverty and the ANC is doing nothing sister if u can see how blacks used to live in apartheid time u won't say this nonsense that u saying now.

      johan.bezuidenhoud.9 - 2012-11-02 00:27

      Gabriel, first of all, go back to school so you can get an education - especially in language skills. This little bit of education might even help to open your eyes to reality.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-11-02 01:03

      yes I agree like u lot stole from the Bushmen & Koi-San

      jonathanlee.oosthuizen - 2012-11-02 02:39

      Gabriel...u never see white ppl strike, u nevere see white ppl burn down trucks, schools, businesses. NEVER!! And sorry to say but if it wasn't for the so called \white criminals\ that took your land and your mone. You wouldve been herding sheep somewhere in the fields cause there wouldn't have been any houses, electricity or even clean water drinking sources. And white people don't steel money...we work very hard for it. You should try it. And open your eyes and you will see that white people aren't so bad. And that the cANCer is busy brain washing people but they don't know the facts...they only carry on and on and on about apartheid. Its pathetic and they should really get an excuse that works. Cause I thing most of the people are tired of hearing about the apartheid.

      tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-11-02 03:13

      gabriel - we do and have for almost 2 decades now...where do you suppose the bulk of govt's resources come from? last I checked it was from tax contributed by predominantly minorities and their businesses and BEE handouts worth billions (far more than could ever have been "stolen"). We're not your enemy boet. It is largely us funding these changes you herald so proudly before us. How effectively was that tax used to improve the lot of blacks? how much WAS even used for that purpose; now imagine where you'd be if it had. NP turned the country into the economic powerhouse of africa (in the face of great adversity and no help from the outside world) and handed it to this govt on a silver platter. All they had to do was build houses, maintain what was already there, and leave white businesses to get on with things so they could grow and create jobs for you lot. Apartheid was wrong but they knew how to govern. stop making excuses for failure, demand better for yourself...why would anyone share their money with anyone so hateful, and insulting. show respect and you'll receive it back ten-fold. Nketso - if things are so dandy then why all the complaining and striking and protest? Tell that to the 34 at marikana. we're fighting for better, why do you accept laziness, arrogance, waste and failure, is that all you think you are worth? Rather call for better alongside us.

      louise.snyman.351 - 2012-11-02 10:25

      Child, if you want people to know what you are saying, you will have to learn to spell and construct an intellegent sentence. Please, go back to school, not that it would help, what with the poor state of education as it is.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-11-02 12:48

      @gabrial. Get a life, it's for free. "Ek byt sommer my polse af" GGGRRRrrr !!!

      bruce.bennett.752 - 2012-11-02 13:21

      @Nketso... How old are you???? Did you ever live in the Apartheid era??? Most comments by black people on this site grew up after Apartheid ended. They wouldn't have a clue on how they were treaded except for shack fire stories that are told to them by the bitter few. The blacks were far better off in the Apartheid era!!

  • jon.jones.90663894 - 2012-11-01 23:19

    Well now let's see. Before 1994 the various white 'regimes' built 248 dams for a population that did not exceed 36 million. In the last 18 years in order to feed another 18 million people these glorious mpumpaans strutting about in their 4x4 's have created just how many dams ??? - that were not started by the previous 'regime' ??????. 1 !!!!. Just 1 !!!. The 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse are coming to South Africa. The first horseman is called Famine and his horse is called 'ANC'. More about the other 3 horses later. Funnily enough they too are also each called 'ANC' !

  • chris.summers.3954 - 2012-11-01 23:42

    The fact that the NP / De Klerk were better administrators than the current regime is indisputable. Then again, my german shepherd could propably do a better job than the ANC, as he clearly understands that he can't steal off the table, and he isn't to bite the hand that feeds him. Both these lessons still need to be learnt by the ANC.

  • doug.isherwood.9 - 2012-11-01 23:46

    FW de Klerk is correct. Apartheid was very wrong – but so is reverse apartheid or rather the ANC’s version of “Affirmative Action”. Today children leaving school with excellent results are being shunned by universities because they are not black. Highly qualified very experienced non-black people are leaving our country because they are shunned by businesses and BEE. This country needs these people, they are our future, not the lazy jackasses that sometimes appear at work to collect a salary. Germany was wrong with the holocaust as SA was with Apartheid, both were horrific but the Germans learnt from it and put a Constitution in place to ensure it will never happen again. SA also put a Constitution in place to ensure that apartheid would never happen again. The difference is the Germans pulled themselves together and worked together, rebuilding their nation into one of the most powerful industrial nations on the planet, with strong leadership and hard work. South Africans can work hard but unfortunately we don’t have leadership and others are racially discriminated against. Until this Government realises that it is time to put these differences aside and genuinely focus on building this nation with everyone included equally we will continue to fail. It’s one thing to say our economy has grown, but its altogether a different thing to say that our economy has grown against the rest of the world’s economy. Someone needs to point this out to the ANC.

      princemxolici - 2012-11-02 02:24

      That is why people like you are necessary.U hav a detailed eye,perhaps you should get a group of people together

  • Tseke Mphela - 2012-11-02 00:27

    economically we r not equal..white people enjoy preference...and we cant use force to take their wealth and make it ours..so when it come to economic empowerment, the legislature should give black people(including indians and colourts) preference..we must be equal!!!!!

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-11-02 00:38

      You understand giving an advantage to one group makes it unequal don't you. My family never received an help from the apartheid government. We lived in a trailer, my father worked twelve hour shifts in a mine,just so he could provide me with.a semi decent education, which I now have. Yet I can not find a job even with my fancy degree. So please explain how this is fair or equal.

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-11-02 01:02

      @thando no my parents where good people who struggled every day, my mother was involved in outreach programs in the homelands. So take your condescending tone and shove it. What so just because my parents are not corrupt I get punished for it. Typical.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:11

      So every black peron who takes advantage of their situation is corrupt!?....typical twat......So you were a poor white so what??....should we be sorry for you....boo hoo!! Join the other legions of poor South Africans boet.....im saying the system favoured you, now its favouring me.....im taking full advantage of it!

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-11-02 06:40

      Hey thando, while you're taking advantage of it, go help your brothers and sisters in the townships. Or do white people have to do that as well? Aah, of course they do. Twat.

      patrick.gardner.186 - 2012-11-02 11:41

      Please use force Tseke..... thats what I want!!! I am Waiting!!!!! You will see your gat my friend!!

      coontly - 2012-11-02 11:53

      MMMM .There are more opportunities for blacks than whites, yet you fail to succeed , I wonder why. I come from a poor white family with nothing in fact my mother only focused on getting us kids through school , not even a house and a car, Once I finished school I worked 3 jobs 18 hours a day, 7 days a week for 6years and studied to get a degree to better myself . It wasn't given to me on a platter to better myself, you don't need to be given money to better yourself you need to get it for yourself. You also contradict yourself, you say we must be equal but colour must get preference.

  • declan.kelly.54 - 2012-11-02 00:32

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I-60MZnc2dY

  • rhett.deklerk - 2012-11-02 00:47

    I'm not to sure there is much point to all the debate.

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2012-11-02 00:48

    Race issue again huh.if u dumb then why should ur skin colour get u the job over a clever person.u will drive this country into the ground.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:05

      Your statement has a racial undertone to it....ie if you are dumb(black) then why should your skin colour give you a job preference over a clever(white) person?? Justin, Im black and all my life Ive had stupid white black people behind me academically in class....

      cornelius.kruger - 2012-11-02 03:08

      thando, wow you say justin's comment is racist, yet yours is even worse, go find a dictionary and look up the word dumb, dumb doesnt mean black and clever doesnt mean white, if you had to go for an operation, would you be happy if your doc didnt even have matric? Of course you wont. This goverment has had 18 years to rectify the mistakes of the past goverment. They blame and blame, and do nothing to solve the problem. Thando, instead of blaming others, think of ways to improve this country. If you put half of your hatred into productivity, things would be much better than they are now, please respond, i would like to hear what you have to say

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-11-02 06:45

      And now your statement has a racial undertone to it, thando. Oops, you didn't know black people such as yourself can be racist? Maybe you're not as clever as you think you are.

      masamune.azeem - 2012-11-02 22:54

      Like a very funny man once said the world is not run by smart people but by average men(d and c students). Average men have taken advantage of the smart men for decades. I live in the real world, being smart doesn't get you the job(most of the time),you can dispute this all you want but you know im correct. favors are done every single day.not all white people got where they are because they are smart. problem with the ANC is that they haven't figured out how to take advantage of the smart men.

  • norman.buchalter - 2012-11-02 00:53

    Maybe we should rewrite history here? This way, we write apartheid right out of the history books. No more blaming apartheid for everything forever. South Africa- The Solution - revisited.

  • ftakalani - 2012-11-02 00:53

    DeKlerk, must not forget tht his government ddnt accomodate al South Africans but a certain group based on the colour of the skin. His government only focused on whites which are very few compare to blacks that's why it was easy for his government to deliver than wat we are seeing today. I'm not saying I'm happy wit th ANC but DeKlerk should think out of th box nd understand tht thngs can't b as easy as thy were before he goes on attack. White ppl seem nt 2 hav a problm wit DeKlerk bcos u had a beta lyk without any oppression tht blacks had nd th fact tht apartheid came into existence nd exclude blacks frm th economy is th reason our country is where it is today. U can't expect ppl that u hav excluded frm th economy to deliver as u wish today nd tht apartheid regime played a huge role for a bad governance nd service delivery tht u experience nd complain abt. The apartheid gov was stupid enough not to realise that they wil one day lose authority to th black ppl. Now u are scream abt th ANC's lack of leadership, did u train any frm them during th nice time of apartheid? Apartheid had done enough damage nd destroyed blacks faith in th white leadership thts why most black stil think is much beta to be led by a black persn than a white bcos wat thy experience was traumatic.

      brett.michielin - 2012-11-02 07:55

      U must not forget that de Klerk there would be no new South Africa

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-11-02 10:22

      They will never get that tfakalani you are wasting your energy........brett dont fool yourself deklerk had nothing to do with it.......it was the international pressure they were getting that made them come to the table to negotiate #knowyourhistory

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 00:58

    Mnr De Klerk just like cde Thabo Mbeki is entitled to his opinion, lets us take constructive critism well.......but th difference between them is that Mnr De Klerk is objecting to our policies not the collective leadership. Our policies are desired to totally emancipate the majority of the african people from poverty to economic freedom, so Mnr De Klerk keep that in mind. South Africa is not doing something extra ordinary considering its past injustices.....all developing countries did/do the same policies.

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-11-02 06:48

      Define economic freedom. Or ask your fat hero Juliaaaaaaaaaas to define it. And no, developing countries don't have the same policies, you're talking out of your you know what.

      louise.snyman.351 - 2012-11-02 10:54

      And look at those countries now, I assume you did refer to African countries. You are right, this country is fast on it's way to the rest of Africa's chaos.

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-11-02 01:00

    he is upset because their people do not have row material as his father of apartheid said the past apartheid years.

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:15

      You mean RAW materials? Row row row ya boat gently to the waterfall.

      louise.snyman.351 - 2012-11-02 10:58

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-11-02 01:08

    Please explain to me why Africans from free black manage countries will choose to leave their family and country voluntarily to come and enjoy, economic ( work in SA mine;s) educational (study at MEDUNSA and other SA universities, go and look at their records ) being treated nearly for free in SA state hospital ( go and look at the records)? How did Smith manage to, despite world wide sanctions, build, such a strong economy in Rodesia. A stronger economy that, exist's now after 30 years of black rule?

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:13

      Danie....WTF are you asking?

  • KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:12

    I dislike the \dismissal attitude\ that some people have. An eg. If a white person or DA had to criticize or make a policy proposal that would better all and is better than the anc's then its \white ppl must shut up and go to europe\ or \DA is the np reborn and run by whites and coconuts and must go to europe\ etc etc. Every statement against the anc and its cadres is dismissed as its \their right\ to benefit through blatant corruption while still getting the support of blind sheep while showing those blind voting sheep the middle finger. I don't dispute that the np did a good job but my qualm is that they had a smaller population to manage with draconian laws to FORCE their agenda. My issue is that not everything is to be blamed on apartheid so long after democracy. Even if all white firms create black employment it still won't be enough to make a big dent in unemployment. There are also black owned firms that should also be targeted and not excluded from the sentiment of this news article. Why can't black people do for themselves in a black run country with a black majority in the normal way of hard work and goal oriented , corruptionless projects and plans? Why blame other people or take and take and take what, even if obtained under apartheid, does not belong to anyone other than the owner? I say that no man (or country) is an island, sa cannot operate with so much hate for one another and without interaction with the world. I wait now for this comment to be dismissed by trolls and the chap at news24 to delete this for no reason.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:25

      Reddy do you understand when we say that apartheid was institutionalised? The society of black people are a result of that system......this system affected us in varying degrees. This dehumanised us so much that we did not value our blackness. We are in a period redefining our blackness......our value system was hit to the core. The resultant of this was high crime rate, abuse..etc. Not all black people are thieves, corrupt, incompetent..etc but some of us understand why they are like that. These social ills will take time to be eradicated in the mindset of the black man, give us time to regain our blackness.

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:33

      Do you assume that I do not understand? Ok, is it inherent for a black person to have a transition \blackness\ where they have to rape, kill, murder, steal, etc etc before they become normal? I know I just mentioned a whole lot of cr.ap in my last sentence but that's the \understanding\ I'm getting from your comment. My question in response to your statement is that a state of anarchy is required before things come right?? Why ? Can't it be the opposite?

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 02:14

      @Reddy.....if you understand the concept of Colonialisation of a Special Type(CST) then you will appreciate the role played thus far. Yes there has to be anarchy in South Africa to balance out the equation esp if the former masters aren't willing to participate in that process fully. Why do you understand the psycological process of someone who has lost something but you cannot, for your fellow black man that had lost his blackness? We are still in the guilt, denial, rejection, acceptance....etc stages.....let us go through our processes boet!

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 02:31

      Boet, I work for the Dept of Rural Development and I'm upgrading land rights (on property diagrams) so yes I understand the plight and I see the good that the anc is doing. But the bad does overshadow the good they're doing. Well my last two cents worth is that the blackness is found so we can put all this behind us and move forward TOGETHER. Let's shake hands ??

      james.hurley.1401 - 2012-11-02 02:43

      @thando - I'm sorry, but you must be Dreaming if you think quoting Fanon or anyone else will excuse rape and murder. I don't care how messed up people are from apartheid, the moment you inflict more suffering on other people my sympathy ends. I understand where our social problems and inequities come from, but I think what you're saying runs dangerously close to indifference towards ongoing violence that will never make things better in this country.

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-11-02 06:53

      What thando is saying is that they lost their "blackness", and in order to get it back, they must now first rape and murder a few million people. Then they will have their "blackness" back. Mmmm, the anc's finest minds are at work, it seems.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 08:18

      #shakes hands with Reddy........and to the other two trolls who chose to mis understand me, follow my other comments to know that i dont condone our social ills but understand where this eminates from. Thats my 2c worth

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2012-11-02 01:15

    U fool my point is that bbe is about skin colour not merit.ther are clever black people aswell but that doesnt matter...as long as you arent white..its alright thes days.how democratic huh...

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:16

      They only see BLACK with some white dots and some other lesser colours.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:31

      Justin.....EE(employment equity) is about redressing past imbalances......its about 2 individuals who have the same skill but different skin colour and appointing the black person. The principle is just and fair....we have 2 individuals from different backgrounds who possess the same skill. FYI.....im not a fool

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:58

      @Justin....just like now.....you are probably some pimpled imbicle who got good grades in school. But you're debating with a black dude who got excellent grades in school....thats unfair boet, i should be debating with some intellectuals....NOT you.

      princemxolici - 2012-11-02 02:06

      Justin,u'r ryt. BEE isn't the solution, but ryt its the best we hav in tryin 2 undo what the previous government took over 40yrs 2 do. In time whites, blacks

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 02:26

      @Prince.....BroadBased Black Economic Empowerment(BBBEE) is an intervention to accelerate black people(mainly black business) into the mainstream economy....dont confuse that with Employment Equity(EE) policy that is meant to empower black individuals into places of employment. These 2 policies are not long term solutions rather intervention methods to address the problems @ hand. Justin you see that some black people also have to be empowered politically just like Prince.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-02 09:04

      "we have 2 individuals from different backgrounds who possess the same skill. " True, today's AA candidates are doing a wonderful job, the government departments are running great... Pssst: let's not mention that people wait up to 6 years for their ID's, passports and firearm licenses, and let's not mention the potholes, sleeping Police officers and tender fraud! That is our little secret!

  • Tseke Mphela - 2012-11-02 01:15

    justin..r u saying black people r stupid? stupidity has no colour..all people should b given a job on merit u will see equality...there should b a distinction between economic empowerment and job creation..when it comes to economic empowerment the legislature should favor blacks..sometimes owners don't know the job..but they get all the profit..in this day it is impossible for a black person to have a white person on his pay roll..we want equality!!

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:19

      Well with std 2 you can become the president in sa so I rest my case.

  • rswicomb - 2012-11-02 01:16

    Implement a a meritocracy policy instead of this idiotic policy called affirmative action. Appoint people based on qualifications. To many high profile jobs are given to those who failed grade 7 at primary school. Political appointments are redundant. Why pay a high profile member to a minister while the second in command tells him what to do. Make the person who is telling the minister what to do the minister and kick out the uneducated. If you not educated don't complain with minimum wage. You deserve it, you had almost 2 decades to empower yourself. Stop blaming the previous regime.

  • ftakalani - 2012-11-02 01:16

    DeKlerk, must not 4get tht his government ddnt accomodate al South Africans but a certain group based on th colour of th skin. His government only focused on whites which were very few compare to blacks, so it was easier for his government to deliver than it would hav been 2day. I'm not saying I'm happy wit th ANC but DeKlerk should think out of th box nd understand tht thngs can't b as easy as thy were b4 in a gov tht only cared abt minority than majority. White ppl seem nt 2 hav a problm wit th NP nd DeKlerk bcos thy had a beta lyf to live wtht any limit to education, employment nd freedom. I thnk I wouldn't hav a problm if I were white too bt it isn't lyk tht. U can deny this bt th policy of th former gov had a lot to do wit lack of leadership tht u publicise everyday. Apartheid came into existence nd exclude blacks frm th economy nd tht prevented blacks tht r leading 2day frm leadership skills bcos thy apartheid regime thot thy r useless nd thy can't lead anyone. U can't expect ur child to be an advanced driver while u never expose him to advance driving skills nd tht means u can't expect ppl that u hav excluded frm leadership nd economic skills to deliver at ur expectations today nd tht apartheid regime played a huge role for a bad governance nd service delivery tht u experience nd complain abt 2day. Experience is a gud teacher but th apartheid gov was stupid enough not to realise tht it wil one day lose authority to th black ppl. Now u are scream abt th ANC's lack of leadership myb its tym u experience wat was thot tht blacks cnt deliver, so live wit it or leav th country if u cnt take it. Apartheid had done enough damage nd destroyed black ppl's faith in th white men's leadership thts why most black stil think is much beta to be led by a black persn than a white bcos wat thy experienced was traumatic.

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 01:26

      Its true what you saying but why accept the nonsense of a black government? You don't have to vote for a white person if the anc is so screwd up. We have the power as a people to demand from the anc a better job. Its their mandate to adhere to the constitution and provide for all and we have to take them to task, not just sit back and expect miracles to happen and still vote for them.

      rswicomb - 2012-11-02 01:30

      i wonder it is so hard for the anc allow this contry to grow, the only race the are suppose to focus on is the human race, looks like trying to make zumas house safe is their biggest concern or is it to focus on nepotism... Mmmm

      rswicomb - 2012-11-02 01:40

      i understand what you saying... The thing is you would rather be leas by a idiot than a white educated person. You know i like the first comments opening line. Stop looking at colour and start looking at what is best for our country. The anc is not doing a good job at the moment. Im sorry to say the current state of this nation is due to the black empowerment. Make decision based on what is best for he people. Stop considering if this would negatively affect an race. Th bigger picture is more important

      princemxolici - 2012-11-02 01:54

      So we shud just run to removing ANC in power?Fact of the matter is blacks were under the barrel for too long. We will make our mistakes, we will learn from them

  • justin.b.whittaker - 2012-11-02 01:18

    And dont jump on your high horse about undertones..balck ppl are enjoying attacking whites racially...dont see u complaining about that aswell...

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:33

      Does that give you the right to also follow that drivel??

  • Damian McIntyre - 2012-11-02 01:24

    Lets just have a look back in time, at the height of the sanctions, was the rand, dollar exchange rate maybe between two to three rand to the dollar. Look at it today, that certainly speaks loads. Someone will probably say that today's exchange rate has been inherited from the apartheid regime.

  • Gerhard - 2012-11-02 01:50

    Meh, is the race card not a little torn from waving it at every incriminating question? Can FW's comment not be seen for what it is. Then again News24 loves the race card and / or racial slurs (from both sides). Voting in this country is a joke! Only real solution: * remove politicians from the equation (aka we don't vote for a person / party anymore) * instate actual experts as the head of state departments (people with degrees in math / engineering / science / agriculture / have been in the sector for thirty years from ground up...) * instead of voting for people / parties, vote on the actions / projects for the next 5 - 50 years

      princemxolici - 2012-11-02 02:11

      U ryt, race card won't work in the near future.I like yr suggestion bwt selecting specialists. Problem is there aren't many black qualified specialists.In the next 15 yrs the play ground will be levelled.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 01:51

    @Reddy.....we(black africans) wont vote out the ANC because it its still relevant to our(black africans) cause. We want TOTAL emancipation from the shackles of poverty. The ANC is an omnibus party tht represent different interests of us(black africans). Only the ANC can cater for cde Patrice Motsepe(No.1 richest SA person) and myself(only R1 in my disposal). Even the majority of white people have increased their wealth under the ANC due to the capitalist system we inherited from them. So Reddy.....buckle up, this is still gonna be a bumpy ride.

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 02:26

      For your information, the ANC is a non racial party. Why should I buckle up? I agree with their core principals but disagree with the poor management. I think you missed my point, by all means vote for the anc, but make sure, by a collective voice, that they provide for the needs of the people. Being the anc AND government is two different ball games. Running a party and a country is not the same.

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-11-02 08:07

      What is an omnibus?? Careful Reddy....dont tread on icy waters! We acknowledge the challenges in our administration system, but we all have to strive together to correct those cogs.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-02 09:06

      "the ANC is a non racial party." You are delusional.

      KReddy - 2012-11-02 10:39

      Stop with your veiled treaths - buckle up, don't tread on icy waters blah blah. Read and understand my comments. That last person that commented, you also read and understand.

  • thulanit3 - 2012-11-02 01:57

    White governance is a disaster for this country, they are good as spectators...they failed dismally to govern...History tells it all.

      cornelius.kruger - 2012-11-02 03:26

      ah i see, so i take it the current goverment is doing a fantastic job then?

      Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-11-02 05:53

      What the true history tells us is that we have 10 million immigrants - mostly illegal and stealing YOUR jobs - streaming into this once prosperous country to grab a slice of the successful pie created by the white government through technology, expertise, and corruption free leadership. Unlike the current selfish, dishonest self enriching bunch of incompetent crooks. And that my friend is the truth. You should take off your blinkers, have the guts to admit it and walk forward with all the white people who actually want to move towards to a better future for ALL of us in this country. Harping on the past and making unrealistic, unworkable demands and threats just isn't going to work and won't allow any progress. It's your choice. Choose wisely for once and you will gain some respect instead of ridicule.

  • gmungomezi - 2012-11-02 02:00

    Shut up De Klerk.Just shut up.

      Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-11-02 05:25

      The truth hurts, but nothing can change it when it is the truth and what to keep quiet about it is just denialam what good will that do, other than fooling yourself to make you feel better?

  • jan.ramoshaba.5 - 2012-11-02 02:46

    Mr de klerk I am so disapointed in you is not you who can say that,4 SA to heal the woond share the ideas don't point figers u gona make us refer u to the past and ofwich is not a solution to what ur goverment did to us go and climb kilimanjaro tell AFRICA that ur goverment was GOOD,WRIGHT and PERFECT to uphold mr mandela in jail 4 27yrs just I mean just to fight 4 economic freedom now u r so ashamed that ANC is trying to score the goals in the field..perfect judgement me de klerk

      sfiso.gumbi.7 - 2012-11-02 06:11

      Seconded comrade

      richard.mbuly - 2012-11-02 08:08

      no comrade, we cannot refer 2 unoathoritative source, our ANC should set precedence, nt other way round, we r guided by de constitution.

  • Teuneman - 2012-11-02 03:28

    Do these pants make me look fat? No, YOU make you look fat. This can be interpreted as. Does the past make the ANC useless? No, the ANC makes the ANC useless.

  • olwethumarumi.thoba - 2012-11-02 04:18

    such comments are all bcz of the compromises of the TRC, white ppl will always b white ppl, i jst dnt why our gvnmnt dcded t follw restoratv justice for their of apartheid. These ppl hate black success!

      dragonfire47 - 2012-11-02 04:42

      What success is that , filling there pockets with tax payers cash, ah wait a second, guess who the main tax payers are, you lot just can't work it out can you, dam if they told you the sky was full of free service delivery you would believe it, pffffffft

      emile.marais - 2012-11-02 05:31

      Why would anybody hate success? Only bigots would hate the success of someone due to their race/religion/sexuality etc. Nobody enjoys living in a society with such huge inequalities between its people. Africa needs to take its place on the World stage. Almost 2 billion people will call Africa home soon - they need to be proactive in the future history of this planet and the Human Race. Being pro-active doesn't include stealing almost a trillion Rand for personal enrichment. That money WAS for the almost 52 million people who call SA home.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-02 09:09

      "These ppl hate black success!" Don't confuse black success with tender fraud and inability to spell (like you) but still get AA jobs which you can not manage.

  • Denise Janse van Vuuren - 2012-11-02 04:23

    The biggest problem is SA is racism not anything else and that has been brought about by a poor leadership from all parties at some point. i am not against the ANC just the poor choices that have made the money they have unecessarily spent of the countrys and the promises that were never fulfilled.White, black,indian,coloured ,chinese all is irrelevant i just want a south africa to be proud of under a leadership who strives to accomadate all south africans and make it a betta place than what it has become right now

      dave.hardman - 2012-11-02 07:42

      Well said, unfortunately I don't think It will happen. Every day the greed gets worse, the situation for most gets worse, and the most disappointing, the racism, this arrogant bitter hatred for other people because their government failed to fix the faults of the past. Everyone is blaming each other yet not one person is accountable EVER!

  • Evangelia Iakovidis - 2012-11-02 04:28

    people saying the anc have fixed things 18 years on. my town is more dilapidated than ever. people have less jobs. less money. and this country is even more divided than ever. its not about black vs white. its about delivery of service. and there is none of that here. THAT is the ruling party's responsibility. AND fault.

  • enock.tumisang - 2012-11-02 04:41

    Everybody is playing racial cards here! There is no single one of them who wants to admit failure! It is very tiring to be listening to this crap! Right now,everyone should be thinking of way forward! What has happen can never be changed and We need to acknowledge that fact! I'll put it to all our then and current Leadership:1.Do We have to slap White people bcos their grandfathers were slapping Us? Since we didn't want to chase them now,we might as well learn to live 2gether. 2.Since Mr D knows the past and current situation,is that the only advice he can give? 3.Our Leaders must do more! Leadership must exercise Planning,Organising,Leading and Control!

  • simon.makhani - 2012-11-02 04:48

    De Klerk is right we have to stop defending this corrupt inept gorvenment. Do you seriously believe they care about you ? All they care about is lining their own pockets.

  • colignyfrancois.nel - 2012-11-02 04:53

    FW was trying to say the National Party were better administrators, so the Eastern Cape ANC decided to help him out and just say it outright. Good on them them for being so forthcoming (sarcastic grin).

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-11-02 05:39

    Although F W De Klerk is not a saint he is right. The apartheid government was doing a good job in terms of public administration.The ANC must stop blaming the apartheid government. What is stopping the ruling party from fighting Corruptionwhy the ruling party appointed the current head of the state who raped the lady justice. The ruling party has appointed friends,relatives

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-02 05:56

      Mtakwethu uyandidanisa uvuyisa abacalucaluli, uDe klerk akhondlela yoba angathetha ngento erongo abe engulombulali waxolelwa nguMandela. Yena makathi cwaka!