Ebrahim embarrasses ANC, SA Zionists say

2012-12-03 21:34

Johannesburg - Deputy Foreign Minister Ebrahim Ebrahim embarrassed the ANC when he released a statement criticising Israel's role in the recent Gaza conflict, the SA Zionist Federation (SAZF) said on Monday.

"It was... particularly disturbing to notice that the statement was signed by Ebrahim Ebrahim in his official capacity of deputy foreign minister on behalf of the ANC," the SAZF said in a statement.

"That a senior official of the South African government would express himself in such blatantly insulting, unfair and unconstructive manner is an embarrassment to the ANC, the rest of the government and the South African people."

However, international relations spokesperson Clayson Monyela said the SAZF could not link the statement to Ebrahim's role as deputy minister.

"It is an ANC statement. The deputy minister issued it in his capacity as head of ANC international relations."

African National Congress international relations manager Ribbon Mosholi said Ebrahim had not insulted anyone in the statement.

He merely "stated the facts".

"The statement is self-explanatory and is not an embarrassment to the ANC," she said.

"Palestine is an occupied country, and we support both sides with secure borders. If Israel changes the borders every five minutes, while encroaching on Palestinian land, this is against all international laws."

The SAZF alleged that Ebrahim's statement "adopted an incendiary language typical of activist organisations or fringe radical groups".

"The statement was unambiguously one-sided," it said.

"It identified Israeli occupation as a cause for the violence, ignoring the fact that Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2006."

Ebrahim said in the statement on 21 November that the Israeli Defence Force’s bombardment of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip was "barbaric".

"The collective punishment of the citizens of Gaza is an outrage bordering on fascist aggression. Women and men of all ages and children are being mercilessly murdered in this war of attrition," he said.

"We call on both sides to exercise restraint, as we all know that violence begets violence... The ANC remains convinced that a lasting solution can only be arrived at through peaceful negotiations."

The SAZF alleged that Ebrahim had voiced "virulent anti-Israel rhetoric" in the past few years.

"The ANC and the South African government have long supported the creation of a Palestinian state," it said.

"They also have a right to criticise the actions of the state of Israel and they have often exercised this right in the past, but the biased and emotional rhetoric and actions of Mr Ebrahim crosses the line."

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-12-03 21:49

    Ebrahim Ebrahim must be one of South Africa's most virulent ongoing racists ever to have inveigled his way into life.

      jeremy.bard.31 - 2012-12-03 22:19

      Hmmm ... interesting theory you have there. And I guess you would say the same about all the other anti-apartheid freedom fighters, such as Tutu, Kasrils, Mandela, Goldberg, etc., just to name a few, and who have been more outspoken about Israel and its crimes. What terrible racists they are!

      lownabester - 2012-12-03 23:37

      Jeremy, Goldberg is the biggest sell out. Tutu should keep his mouth shut. They will regret it one day. Long live Israel.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-04 06:15

      There is no country called Palestine, and it now looks likely that there never will be. - 2012-12-04 08:41

      Long live Israel. Ameen

      juannepierre - 2012-12-04 13:22

      @hanif the term "them" is actually racist and goes a long way to pointing out your emotions.

      elijah.sitrit - 2012-12-04 21:12

      Hanif, I think if you are going to play down a number as high as 6 million down to 1, perhaps you should include a source so that we don't know that you are completely stupid right off the bat. As for your "apartheid state' theory perhaps you should actually look up a few of the laws pre-1994 and compare them to the current laws in Israel. Your logic is completely idiotic. Get yourself a formal education, learn to research an issue and come back with some facts instead of opinions that you are merely repeating

  • lownabester - 2012-12-03 21:49

    This guy should shut up and leave Israel to do its own thing and they are doing it well.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-04 06:15

      There is no such thing as a Palestinian. They are egyptians and Jordanians.

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 08:30

      So what does that make Moses and the Jews that were expelled from Egypt? Egyptians?

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-12-03 21:53

    Stupid people needs the same instruction twice, before they understand...Ex2!

  • comurray - 2012-12-03 21:55

    The Israelis were defending their citizens. The Palistilians terrorist organisation keeps on launching rockets of mass destruction into areas where there are innocent men women and children being wiped out but as far as the ANC is concerned this alright.

  • tobydt - 2012-12-03 21:56

    Only way to make peace in Isreal, is to dig a moat between the Palistinians and Isreali's, and fill the moat with pigs.

      Desilusionada - 2012-12-03 22:16

      That's the problem. Gaza Israel border is a fence. No one moves the fence. The only entrance and exits are well defined. Neither Israel nor Gaza "moved" the border. They were shooting rockets OVER the border. So this moat is not very practical, but I understand what you are trying to say. Problem is this Ebrahim Ebrahim does not know what to say. Total Chop......

      volschenk.d - 2012-12-03 22:39

      Can moats and pigs stop Iranian rockets?

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-04 10:30

      Instead of rockets, they should just throw bacon sarmies at each other.

  • jeremy.bard.31 - 2012-12-03 22:03

    Typical zio rhetoric. Unwilling to accept the trouncing at the UNGA recently where it was Israel that was embarrassed and humiliated. In SA, any embarrassment suffered is due nly to Israel-first SANZF, who is unable to extricate itself from the clutches of apartheid. So what do you do? Get personal and attack the individual. The SANZF just cannot stomach the fact that almost every South African anti-apartheid activist/hero has blasted Israel for practicing a much more heinous form of apartheid.

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-04 06:19

      There is no apartheid in Israel

      jacques.marneweck.5 - 2012-12-04 10:17

      The ANC believes in apartheid more now then most places in the world they even have race based laws. Can you say that about Israel? Or any western country or is South Africa and Zimbabwe the only to places still living in a race based bubble? This is not stated against the people but their governments that implement race based laws.

  • zalman.orlianski - 2012-12-03 22:05

    Golda Meir, the 4th Prime Minister of Israel said: "Peace will come whem Arabs will love their children more than they hate us". And will stop sending their children to blow themselves up. Ebrahim Ebrahim is one of them, too. Zalman Orlianski, Johannesburg

  • shireen.abbas - 2012-12-03 22:05

    Wonder if SAzf wud take this stand iF speech came from a non -muslim !

      juannepierre - 2012-12-04 13:27

      Honestly, I don't think that speech would ever come from a non-Muslim.

  • Ayanda M Masina II - 2012-12-03 22:06

    the killing of women and children and the occupation of the west bank is barbaric. These Zionists and their terror must leave our shores and go back to their promised land. Israel is the worst country in terrorism, their mossad is spread all over like a virus assasinating everyone they dont like. I have so much hatred for the deeds of this country, treating Palestinians like they are lesser humans.

      mohammedsiddique.kadwa - 2012-12-03 22:24

      Spot on Ayanda. And Well Done Minister Ibrahim. Once again, that's why ANC is the way to go. USA and Israel were left utterly humiliated because the rest of the world wants peace and justice. Its time for the Israel-lovers to go to their promised land so the Palestinians can get them easily.

      volschenk.d - 2012-12-03 22:51

      Ayanda 11 You should read the first few books of the Old Testament in the Bible and see what happens to the people that hate the Israelite s. I'm glad my name is not Ayanda 11! Secondly, who normally starts the confrontation. The aggressors get klapped and then they cry about their losses. Haw

      irritirritated - 2014-07-29 11:51

      You are so misinformed it is actually quite sickening -

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-12-03 22:06

    It is just party policy for the cANCer to continue to embarrass themselves. Ebrahim should retire already, and somebody younger should actually step up and take his place, he lives in 'lala-land' when it comes to foreign affairs and his diplomacy is scarred by his emotional baggage, serving his personal believes first before the good of South Africa.

  • harold.pennington.5 - 2012-12-03 22:12

    Seeing that the Brits have just called in the Israeli envoy to caution them on their excesses it would behoove the SAZF to zip it.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-12-03 22:40

      Who actually cares what the Brits have to say in this day an age, the fallen empire, who lives on the dwindling interest of stolen property from it's former colonies.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-12-04 06:33

      Really, and who is the West? Is it a country, a group of countries, or is it the future of the human race or is it another exclusive bunch of some future nation which will proclaim itself a tribe and then want to proclaim a new state somewhere on this planet? this planet who's space is shrinking....... Here we have some voo-doo religious maniacs fighting over some freaking gravel, because this part is holier than that part, and this one believes in Allah and that one in Jehovah....and that one in God.. none of it, absolutely none of it can ever be proven, fairy tales born in the desert heat by sun stroke victims who started hallucinating due to hyperthermic induced hallucinations. The west really does not give a dam about any of it.... because one day it will look back at this little squabble in the desert, and think of it as an ancient civilization like the Romans and or the Inca's are today..... and wonder how mankind could have believed all this rot, we call religion... all this rot that kept humans from living together..... and in the future the 'West" will be pissing beer on the sites they will so curiously be excavating for archeological curiosity and their they will find a can of Coke/n/Cola and realize that they, the West ensured the fall of the middle east and brought the mad religious tribes into the promised land.... called the future. They will probably also find an old forgotten McDonalds Burger and think it as some holy relic, body of christ stuff.

      kitty2wp - 2012-12-04 07:26

      Glen - you are so mistaken about everything - and from where i'm sitting - the only MacDonalds worshippers i see are mostly Muslim.

  • jojo.balela.1 - 2012-12-03 22:18

    Zionists are an embarassment to peace loving jews all over the world!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-04 06:24

      Zionists are peace loving Jews.

      irritirritated - 2014-07-29 11:54

      Zionists and Jews are 1 and the same thing - If you are a Zionist, then 9/10 you are Jewish.

  • malibongwe.masango - 2012-12-03 22:23

    What about Mandela? He hold radical views against israel

      spillies - 2012-12-03 22:36

      So what. I don't pray to your mandela. He is NO god. He is JUST a man. With FLAWS.

  • jojo.balela.1 - 2012-12-03 22:28

    Even with the ANC's shortcomings, as South Africans we are very proud to have a ruling party that stands up against apartheid in all its forms ... Viva ANC

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-04 10:53

      So does BBBEE not count?

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-12-04 10:53

      What about AA or EE?

  • tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-03 22:29

    The relevant, wise & true words of Prophet Moses as per Deuteronomy 31: 24-30 "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, 25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, 26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. 27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death? 28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. 29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. 30 And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended".

  • shahied.mohamed.9 - 2012-12-03 22:29

    You Zionists are an embarrasment to South Africa !!! You are up against the world with your apartheid....Wake up !!!!!

      Dave - 2012-12-04 11:27

      nope slum, they are just up against you and your fellow Islamist fools. If you think the average westerner can even stand being in the same room as you, then you are indeed stupid. Israel has thrived being surrounded by Islamic slums - achieving more in her 60 years than any of her camel-humping neighbours have achieved in the past 1000 years. I am a church-going christian and I can assure you that our support is for Israel not you, fool.

      irritirritated - 2014-07-29 11:57

      I only have two words for you Shahied Mohamed - and that is F - O

  • jason.petzer - 2012-12-03 22:36

    Ah yes, here we go again. The usual suspects....Jew-haters and Arab-haters alike who feel the urgent need to spew forth the usual BS whenever news24 publishes a story involving Israel and Palestine. All this hatred in the name of religion? Makes you wonder....

      juannepierre - 2012-12-04 13:36

      It makes me wonder... If gods really a woman with a wicked sense of humor

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-12-03 22:46

    A group of zionests defending zionests, well there's something new. The real embarrassment is when you lot defend those land thieves masquerading as the poor oppressed people who are worried about terrorists. Where infact those people are fighting for their own land and are being branded terrorists and anti-semetic.

      kitty2wp - 2012-12-04 07:33

      I love Israel too - and the people who live there the Jews, Christians and Muslims - they live together peacefully and happily but the people surrounding them want Israel flattened and destroyed. Why don't everyone just leave Israel alone - they are the tiniest country - but it's neighbours want to fight and kill in the name of Allah - it's disgusting.

  • david.thulani.98 - 2012-12-03 22:58

    mr ebrahim was speaking on behalf of himself and his ,partly not for me mY FAMILY WE LOV ISRAEL.

      Mbavhalelo - 2012-12-04 00:12

      Me 2 I love de descendents of jacob, frm dem my saviour was born

      Dave - 2012-12-04 11:32

      Agreed David, myself and my family are Christians and we support Israel and the Jews 100%. It is obvious to us that God has created the Muslim faith, and supported its expansion merely to test us and show us the face of the devil.

  • tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-03 23:36

    Tomorrow morning the Thumbs Up & Thumbs Down Pro-apartheid Zionist brigade and their verkrampte supporters will out in full force. Who supported the Verkrampte SA Government during Apartheid, you guessed it, the one and only Verkrampte Israel. Who supported the fight against Apartheid and the resistance movements, the Palestinians. It is our turn to support their fight against Apartheid and their resistance movements. Viva Palestine, Viva! Long Live Palestine, Long live!

      avremel.niselow - 2012-12-03 23:40

      And Israel opposed communism, whereas the ANC were supported by it. Communism killed approximately 100 million people. Who do you think had it right?

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-03 23:51

      Israel supported oppression and injustice, the ANC fought oppression and injustice. Who got it right?

      avremel.niselow - 2012-12-04 00:10

      Ah yes they supported the wonderful Soviet Union, the paragon of human rights, which was so great that they had to build a wall to keep the poor oppressed communists out. Oh wait... On the other hand Israel was willing to accept the waves of refugees fleeing the soviets as soon as they were able to leave the country.

      kitty2wp - 2012-12-04 07:36

      You sound just like the Jihad, Hamas and Taliban - hatred and the thrill to kill. Israel will not lie down - so all you doing is supporting a blood bath. Apartheid cry cry cry - no wonder SA get's nowhere - it's leaders and supporters are like sulking children. Grow up man!

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 08:18

      Poor Kitty, please look-up the following: State Terrorism, Ethnic Cleansing, Extra-judicial Killings, Illegal Settlements, Modern-day concentration camp. Then look at the footage of Apache Helicopters, Fighter Jets, Navy Frigate Ships raining missiles down on Gazza, then you will see who the real terrorist are! Whilst you at it, look up the following, Freedom fighter and resistance movement!

      jacques.marneweck.5 - 2012-12-04 11:22

      you only have hear say live video speaks much louder let them see your hero's in action. Men don't use woman and children as shield while they kill women and children Only monsters and demons do that.

      juannepierre - 2012-12-04 13:40

      Palestine kill gays, Palestinian gays seek asylum where... Israel, stop pretending like they don't oppress, or murder.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 16:59

      The ANC thought it fought oppression. Only to become the oppressor. The real people who fought oppression are the IFP. They were fixed on TALKING and never killing innocent people, ever. And people like Steve Biko, who never was an ANC member, and whose former lover now sides with the DA. Klap in jou gesig. Of is dit beesmis?

  • kitty2wp - 2012-12-03 23:38

    Ebrahim complains about Israel but fails to recognise that not only does Hamas send rockets into Israel targeting anywhere but Hamas behaves like terrorists. Israel are protecting their civilians and small little country. Israel want nothing from Hamas or Palestine. IF HAMAS PUT DOWN THEIR WEAPONS THERE WILL BE PEACE .... IF ISRAEL PUT DOWN THEIR WEAPONS - THERE WILL BE NO ISRAEL. Hamas gives Muslims and Islam a bad name - they suck. Ebrahim - this is SA - not Middle East - go join your brother there. Like us whites are told to go back to Europe - you and your people go back to the desert.

      Shikar Anybodysguess - 2014-07-29 11:38

      Please recheck your history. The "Israeli nation" were holocaust survivors that were dumped in PALESTINE by the British. NO European country wanted to take them in. Muslim states always sheltered non muslim faiths. "Israelis" having been occupying Palestinian territory from 1946. Gaza and the West bank are all that is left. Leave religion out of it, just go look at the facts. Can you really justify Israeli actions on merit alone ? If squatters took up residence in your back yard, then started encroaching into your home, room by room, taking away from you and your family, would you not fight back or would you leave them to take everything that was yours ? The violence on both sides is deplorable, but understand that Israel is an occupying invasive force. The Torah forbids the formation of a Jewish national state. so this is not really about religion.

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-12-04 00:06

    There is no such thing as neutral, even God is not neutral. If SA leaders are wise they would support de sons of Abraham, Isaac and Israel or dey should rather say nothing, cos is a chosen nation and we cannot oppose them and succed

  • Sibusiso - 2012-12-04 05:51

    The SA govt should get rid of this dual citizenship nonsense.One nationality one passport.

      kitty2wp - 2012-12-04 07:41

      unlike you - some people in SA - have had to go beyond their shores to work in other countries thereby requiring dual passports .... for instance .... if you're in the oil industry and have to do work off the coast of Israel but you also have to go to Saudi - 2 passports are required. Every South African i know who works abroad - brings 80% of their money home. You want your country to yourself - what contribution are you making to ensure it's success and nourishment?

  • dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 06:37

    Bwahahaha. "The ANC remains convinced that a lasting solution can only be arrived at through peaceful negotiations". Bwahahaha. Yeah. That explains Umkhonto We Sizwe, ne? Bombing innocent civilians and necklacing thousands of your peers whom indeed supported peaceful talks rather than terrorism (IFP anyone?). Pathetic excuse of a 'movement'! The world will see you for what you are!

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 07:19

      and the world will see you for what you are, a rare and endangered AWB verkrampte racist. Your Apartheid government of back in the day had no blood on its hands yeah right, only morons, fools, idiots and zionists believe this.

      david.thulani.98 - 2012-12-04 11:01

      Israel ,must use any means to defend themselfves ,city Of GOD

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 16:52

      What are you talking about? I vote for a party that has all the colours of the national flag in its emblem, not only yellow, green and black like the ANC retarded municipalities use on official local government letterheads, banners, notices and emblems. I vote for a party that takes care of ANC wards in its municipalities, unlike people like you who apparently support a party that not only doesn't take care of other parties' wards in its municipalities, but hardly its own wards either! Mongrel! And may I remind you that the old Nationalist remnants are with you in the ANC.

  • mandla.yende.75 - 2012-12-04 06:55

    Minister Ebrahim Ebrahim was spot on and correct. It is the the SA Zionist Federation which has lost its moral compass and cannot tell a David from a Goliath. We are tired of being morally and ethically abused by the SA ZF. The Israeli govt is a fascist state that uses illegitimate force, theft, and extra-judicial murders to accomplish its goals. Only the SA ZF sees this as legitimate and by extension trivialises all the contributions made by Jews over the centuries on matters of ethics, morality and religion. They are a sorry bunch of hypocrites.

  • mandla.yende.75 - 2012-12-04 07:02

    The SA Zionist Federation has an impossible task especially after centuries of contributions by Jewish thinkers to world peace. Their impossible task is to redefine state theft of land, state sponsored violence, state discrimination of people and all the horrors of using depleted uranium ammunition and make all these abominations morally justifiable and sanctioned by Yhwh. If they succeed please let me know.

  • mandla.yende.75 - 2012-12-04 07:13

    I don't care who is in the Zionist state of Israel but I know what is theft, what is state sponsored violence, what is discrimination and what is disproportionate violence and what is genocide and what is abuse of state power and these things I will criticise and will never accept them as normal. And thanks to Jewish Scriptures I know who is Goliath and who is David and by the way David was also armed. And in this conflict the difference between David and Goliath is clearly defined.

      irritirritated - 2014-07-29 12:13

      You know f - all - sorry to say!

  • hendriek.woede - 2012-12-04 08:03

    All South Africans are racists including those who are the self-made world judges- I am not embarrassed as I'm not infavor of any occupation, lanfgrabing and killing of the innocent. I'm confused why Palestine is not allowed to be a nation - if Israel is a peaceful nation why it denies Palestinians human status? I am not against the existance of Israel as a nation as much as Palestine have a right to exist. There is no fair in the whole saga

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 16:55

      Quite simply because there IS NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN. Go read up on Mr Arafat's own words. The original inhabitants of the area are long assimilated into modern day culture. Those who claim to be Palestinians came from JORDAN. Remember? When the UN gave TRANS JORDAN to them? Look at their FLAG to see their very own heritage proven to you.

  • - 2012-12-04 08:40

    Israel has every right to exist. Israel's self defence is not a crime!

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 08:53

      And Palestine has no right to exist? A two-state solution was never ever on the agenda of the Zionist Israelis!!!! Resistance against oppression and injustice is not a crime!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 16:56

      If you Tokoloshes believe each culture has a right to exist in its own state, why exactly WERE you opposed to living APART from other cultures? Huh? Moron thinking at work.

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-12-04 09:52

    Say what ever u want but just note dat jerusalem is de capital city of Israel which was conquered by king david 4rm de jebusites. The Jews have a super angel michael warching over dem, u cannot win

  • peanutcluster - 2012-12-04 10:21

    The Jewish settlers from Eastern Europe are intransigent. They believe they can brazen it out with "kragdaadigheid" like SAfrica tried during the dying years of the apartheid regime! Israel is on a fast track to pariah status! Its a slippery slope into the trash can of history. The only option is for the settlers to accept their status as Palestinians of Jewish Eastern European origin living in Palestine under Arab rule!

  • Dave - 2012-12-04 11:34

    God created and spurred the expansion of Islam to show all Christians the face of Satan, and test our resolve. This clown Ebrahim is merely another piece in that puzzle - dont give him the platform for preaching he so desperately wants.

      tweetie.bird.96 - 2012-12-04 11:49

      Hey Dave, check this out

      tweetie.bird.96 - 2012-12-04 11:50

      Here's another one from Jewish TV

      tweetie.bird.96 - 2012-12-04 11:54

      Educate yourself...

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 11:54

      More warped Zionist Logic!! Is this to be found in Zionist scripture?

      tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 12:05

      @Dave, is this part of your mental institutions manifesto?

      Dave - 2012-12-04 12:20

      I dont expect you 2 clowns to agree with me as you both fall into the same category as Ebrahim - pawns in Gods plan yet dont even know it. You will through, just wait and see what hell has in store for you.

      tweetie.bird.96 - 2012-12-04 12:26

      LOL, you are so ignorant...

  • tokoloshe.eish - 2012-12-04 11:45

    To the Zionist Afrikaaners on here, just read-up your Anglo-Boer War History. You forget that at one stage in your young history your forefathers fought for their rights, just like the Palestinians have been doing. Your forefathers rised up against the British forces, they did not sit back and let the British trample all over them. This is what resistance is all about, something you have now conveniently forgotten. Today your forefathers would have been called terrorists and not freedom fighters. The Palestinians are in a fight for their own State. Causes of the War Two political ideologies namely British imperialism and Afrikaner nationalism were to clash at the turn of the nineteenth century in South Africa. Britain sought the unification of whole of South Africa under the British flag. The existence of the two Boer republi cs namely the South African Republic (Transvaal) and the Orange Free State therefor was a stumbling block. The two republics on the other hand wanted to preserve their independence and to build their republics into regional forces. They were therefore not prepared to become part of a united South Africa under British authority

      boaz.yarmarkov - 2012-12-04 15:20

      Tokoloshe. Forget the past... lets look at the present. Christians are being abused in Gaza by your fellow Muslim brothers. Christians are murdered in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Saudi. You might want Christians to support 'your' cause but the Apartheid that Christians live under in the Arab world makes this an impossibility; for there is no place on earth that racism and discriminations is as institutionalised as it is in the Arab world against Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, gays and other smaller minorities

      Dave - 2012-12-04 15:45

      Eish, go back to sleep Tokoloshe - your mind cannot handle too much thinking in one day. Intelligent thought is not your friend. Eish.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-04 16:57

      Yes, and you are the ones denying those very same rights when it comes to us, and other people. Tell us, now that we're on the topic. Why don't you campaign for the freedom of the Nepalese people? EXACTLY. Because your Chinese and Russian puppet masters will blow their gaskets.

  • nbezuidenhout - 2012-12-04 19:34

    Israel has nothing to do with us. We have numerous of our own issues and problems. Our goverment has no qualification to even hint at Israel or any other country at this point in time.

      irritirritated - 2014-07-29 12:27

      More people have been murdered in SA than all the Palestinians put together - why don't all those people criticizing Israel look at what the Palestinians (who don't really exist, but call themselves that) are doing to one another, what the Arab brothers are doing to one another. Every single day I read another report on Hamas Terrorists, El Shebaab you name it - they are rotten to the core and only want to see destruction. What amazes me is that they all go to the West for a better life and then slate the West, bomb innocents. I am sick and tired of their double standards - they've managed to get the world on their side thru lies and delusions and it is sickening to see the world fall for such nonsense. PG Israel will be victorious in their fight against such terrorism.

  • siddiq.mia - 2012-12-05 08:36

    Zionists are just murderer's they live for this material world, their greed, manipulation does not stop them from taking what is not theirs, look at the angry, hateful rants from all the Pro-israeli's are you actually following the teachings of Moses??? just another Golden Calf, you people are sad, may the almighty have mercy on you...

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