Education crisis a threat to democracy - Jansen

2012-11-22 22:26

Johannesburg - The country's democracy will implode within 10 years if the crisis in education is not immediately fixed, University of the Free State vice chancellor Prof Jonathan Jansen said on Thursday.

"I hate to be the prophet of doom, but I am also optimistic. Our democracy will implode if we do not attend to the education system," said Jansen.

He was delivering the 2012 Helen Suzman Foundation public lecture titled 'The Mathematics of Democracy' in Johannesburg.

The World Economic Forum's report on state of education globally, where South Africa’s education system was ranked as one of the worst in the world, should be a major concern, he said.

The country ranked 133 out of 142 countries surveyed.

"A democracy should be worried about such an outcome."

A poor education system breeds social ills such as violence and crime.

"Teachers sleep with pupils, there is rape, drugs and pregnancies right in our schools. The violence we witness daily is because of the failure of the education system."

Violent strikes on the mines and on farms in the Western Cape were because the education system had failed young people, the majority of whom were black.

"We have failed to give them the tools that should be there at foundation phase of schooling."

Jansen compared the government's approach to the need to improve maths in schools as the same as that under apartheid.

"Neither Hendrick Verwoerd [the architect of apartheid] nor the current minister of education believe that a black child can excel in mathematics," he said.

He said more and more pupils, the majority of whom were poor and black, were taking up maths literacy, the easy version of the mathematics subject.

"We have reduced education to a forced-feeding exercise that takes place before the examinations.

"We have given up trying to find ways of dealing with the problem."

Schools compensate poor teaching of mathematics with a poor, less challenging subject.

"The loser is the pupil, who realises that their dream of studying engineering or accounting at university has been thwarted as they do not qualify based on the school subject called maths literacy."

  • donald.perumal - 2012-11-22 22:39

    @thebe.tau "self taught brilliance"? What's that? Don't let the running shoes be the problem here.People with less than that(yes,its possible) have made it in school.Hard work and a functioning system is all it takes!

      russell.mason.355 - 2012-11-22 23:24

      @Donald Hard work I agree everybody has, however, a functioning system is not something all students have, I think that is what thebe is referring to, it was a metaphor.

      henk63 - 2012-11-23 06:51

      @Russel - His metafor alluded to the conviction that whites are doing better at school, because they have more resources at home. Same old, same old. It's all the white man's fault that blacks can't excell in abstract technical subjects.

      art5SA - 2012-11-23 07:03

      ANC don't want "CLEVER VOTERS".... THey tell them if they vote for any other party, APARTHEID will return... How stupid do you need to be, to BELIEVE THAT? Once educated people SEE THROUGH THEIR SMOKESCREENS..... they DEFINITELY WON'T vote ANC! EDUCATION BUILDS A NATION!!!!!!

      tracy.musto.7 - 2012-11-23 07:27

      I have a foster son who has a mental disability. We live in a small town & there are no special ed schools unless he goes to bording school. He is in a main stream school here but they keep just pushing him from one grade to the next & telling me that he needs special ed. There are no more special ed classes in the schools & that severly disadvantages our kids with special needs. I can't send my son away to a boarding school. He goes to family in the city & within not even a week he wants to come home again as he hates city life & all the noise. He lives for animals & wants to much to be a game ranger or something one day. I know that with the right teaching & education, he can achieve anything he sets his mind to. He hates sitting in a box (classroom) all day &switches off. Also the classes are too big & so he struggles with all the disruptions, etc. The biggest mistake the department of education EVER made was doing away with the so called 'special ed' classes in the main stream schools. There are not nearly enough special ed schools. I am a single parent on a single income. I cannot afford to pay someone to homeschool my child. Even though he is not my biological child, he is my heart child & I love him with everything I have. Where do I get help for this special boy who has already faced too many challenges in his life? He has been with me for 8 years now, coming from an abusive & neglected background. He's white, by the way.

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-11-23 10:20

      It's not a threat, a threat is something that is posed as about to happen. This is a "situation" failed education and lack of education is the reason why South Africa has fallen into shambles.

      inky.pinky.56 - 2012-11-23 12:53

      @ TJ. Your son is really in for a hard life living in SA. It is not only the education system that will fail him and the whole government system will fail the lad for the rest of his life. I would suggest you consider re locating to a place like England where people like this lad are looked after. I know a couple (ex pats) in England that have a mentally handicapped boy that attends a special school and is picked up and dropped off every day by a taxi and a trained carer. All paid for by the government. The parents receive an allowance for the boy and the state has modified their house to make it safe as well as subsidising them with a car to transport him. Medical is free and the state sponsors a carer for 16 hours a week to help the parents cope. These people are on a special register and when their son went “walk about” on two occasions, the police responded within 2-3 minutes. SA does not know how to look after vulnerable people like this.

      tracy.musto.7 - 2012-11-23 13:09

      @ inky-pinky - the other problem too is that when you do try turn to the government and to the welfare system for assistance they threaten to remove the child. He has been with me since age 6 and is crying out to be adopted by me as I am the only real mother he ever had that didn't abuse or neglect him. Now try get through to the social workers for me to adopt him. nope, too much like hard work. Then hands are tied as a foster parent. There are just so many kids in his situation that need to get the correct education but it just falls on deaf ears. We are failing our children and in turn our future!

  • jake.ko.71 - 2012-11-22 22:41

    I have said that a long time ago!!

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-23 05:09

      "Teachers sleep with pupils, there is rape, drugs and pregnancies right in our schools. The violence we witness daily is because of the failure of the education system"..........quoting ne? Sdaly this too is a problem. That said........ I have no idea how to fix what is going on now, but learning from my daughter-in-law, she teaches, 'qualified' Zambia. She reports, things we all know, in that the basic education, (if anyone here is old enough to remember? :)) what shocked her, is the foundation of education, reading, wriitng and arithematic, is missing. Slowly over the months, she has been most excited to see that the educators have become so interested in education, that their attitude and influenced the pupils. She teaches at a rural school, funded by charity; where the kids walk 25 kilometers to get there and that now, they dont want to go on school holidays...they want to learn!! Again, having learnt from her, I am part of a 'foundation' that is slowly bringing nutrition to schools, and evenutally, to as many outlying areas that we can cope with in the immediate future. It is a venture that I/we started many years ago..(and now I have help) ....NO ONE can work, or learn, if they are hungry. Our motto....."you cannot teach a starving child". As I said, I am no expert, so addressing the wealthy kids is not here, what 'we' address, are the 80% ? who are poor.

  • oistar.tutu.9 - 2012-11-22 22:52

    I salute Mr Jansen. He always says what should be said, and he says it well. It is no wonder many in the Anc don't like him.

      clive.kihn - 2012-11-23 07:53

      Problem is, even if Jansen were made minister of education tomorrow, the national dept is so rotten with incompetence (cadre deployment strikes again), and is subservient to an unprofessional and militant union for which "merit" is a dirty word, that it will take ten years just to get on the right track, let alone raise us to international standards.

  • jared.coetzer - 2012-11-22 22:54

    Solution: tax incentives to be a teacher eg. Flat 15% tax rate if you teach and community service of 2 years for all teachers! Come on government lets fix this!!!!

      carpejugulim - 2012-11-23 05:47

      Jared we also need teachers that: 1- are capable of teaching ... sadly not all teachers are capable of teaching 2- want to teach ... not just sit and wait for their salary at the end of the month To the teachers out there that give everything they have ... Respect. To the teachers that don't ... shape up or ship out! Your input shows in the marks

  • jovan.bester - 2012-11-22 22:57

    Can some one say: Prof Jonathan Jansen for Politics?

      henk63 - 2012-11-23 06:55

      WTF is Mcintosh Polela?

      art5SA - 2012-11-24 05:50

      You normally go to the toilet , to make a "Macintosh Pulela"

  • mo.ebrahim - 2012-11-22 23:03

    Got to give it to the prof! He's spot on. Its quite obvious that our country has a major education problem. China, koreo ,germany are some of the countries who went from nothing to major economies in a few to get this,we really need to change our peoples attitude.we all expect to much from goverment grants etc.instead of hard ur answer is quite obvious.educate our people and hopefully the mindset will change.problem is.with the education system we have or lacl of it,our problems may be slighlty bigger than we think.hence the proff is correct in sayimg 10years before we implode.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-22 23:48

      wow in China, korea ,germany what do they speak almost 1 language in germany they write speak read text in german same for the other two China and korea. In SA 11, u get education in ur own taal afrikaans even maths and science. I got xhosa in its period only. Think

      andrew.ruck.750 - 2012-11-23 00:06

      China has 292 living languages and even 1 extinct language! You are fluent in moron!

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-11-23 02:40

      Hahaha! Fluent in moron!

      jacques.stander - 2012-11-23 05:45

      Haha ! How does one say f-off in moron? LOL

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-23 07:04

      Lol @ fluent in moron. I'm totally gonna use that line.

      suash - 2012-11-23 11:25

      @mmangaliso: 1 + 1 = 2 in any language. Teach children maths and they'll learn to think. Maths should be a compulsory subject and failing maths should be just as bad as failing any of the languages.

      kndobe - 2012-11-23 17:32

      @Andrew,Is china better than south africa

      art5SA - 2012-11-24 05:53

      Looks like kndobe has a professorship in "Moron...."

  • edwin.phadu - 2012-11-22 23:09

    Mr Jansen you are spot on, I am so against maths literacy,I hate this new subject, the government is worried about matric pass rate instead of investing on good quality education because its a political game while sacrificing the future of our children, they encourage matriculants to take subjects on standard grade not higher grade, common where are we going as a country? I am just worried!!!!

      russell.mason.355 - 2012-11-22 23:26

      Higher grade should be the standard.

      henk63 - 2012-11-23 06:59

      Go look at what students study at universities these days. They all go for smartybox degrees like Political History, Social Inequality, etc. which is worth nothing in the real world. All it does is enable them to quote from long dead "leaders".

      polya314 - 2012-11-23 09:02

      Lol @Henk. The commerce faculties at every major university are by far the most numerous; not to mention the hundreds of engineers. "Smartybox" degrees are the gold standard of education: emphasising a liberal arts education, whose knowledge is not important - but the skills learnt are critical for the work force. It's not that there aren't people studying the desperately needed careers (e.g. Engineering), it's that very few reach second year - even fewer third year, and let's not speak about fourth year. The people who actually get degrees in the end, their skills are so valuable - and they are undervalued in SA - that they leave.

      art5SA - 2012-11-24 06:00

      It is FASHIONABLE to go to Uni in SA... Small percentage end up in 2nd year, and an even smaller percentage COMPLETE a degree... Raise the pass rate, and you will get people that DESERVE to attend Uni... It is common knowledge that not ALL learners are academically minded, some are practicle, some are technical, and some are just plain LAZY & STUPID! Currently, the LATTER is common place due to the 22% pass rate... Where will they get the necessary assistasnce to make something out of their lives? In the old apartheid system, they had "Special Schools" for practicle people, ended up becoming Mechanics, Plumbers, Brick layers/Builders etc... Every Professor need someone to repair his vehicle... every millionaire needs some one to repair his plumbing...

  • hartmut.gneiting - 2012-11-22 23:20

    I believer there are to many powers who don't really want a democracy. It is too burdensome!

  • jomar.delange - 2012-11-22 23:22

    He's right. No more excuses!

  • gert.swart.393 - 2012-11-22 23:34


      Grannatjie - 2012-11-23 00:59

      Our kids need proper education, not lower grade wit. JKGK.

  • michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-22 23:36

    geeez louise, "Education crisis a threat to democracy - Jansen" Even if I could have said that, and im not even a professor. Nevertheless, when will a study be done to determine whether its simply blacks themselves? Anti functional schools where teachers sleep with students, gangs roaming the school grounds, students burning down classrooms, black politicians failing their own people in delivering books. Blacks fail themselves and then blame "the system" or apartheid. But ill either be labelled a racist or an idiot because i stated the obvious

      Palesa Degracia Moahloli - 2013-08-26 13:00

      i happen to come from a black school somewhere in the Free State its not even a privet school and in the history of the school they have never received less then a 80% pass please dont make it sound like all black teachers are lazy and at the end of the day its up to us as student to put effort in our studies there's only so much that teaches can do. and yes @times we blame the system as they are to blame for not delivering books and what not and please keep in mind that its not just black people in the system never mind the head being black

  • mmangaliso - 2012-11-22 23:38

    the youth of june 16 died for nothing becoz maths and science is still in afrikaans or english and no one says the problem is language taal. Gov always changes the systems eg OBE CAPS lets change the language to ulwimi. Problem is Language u have it easy in ur home language

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-22 23:44

      So why dont they learn English? Why must non blacks now be forced to learn a pointless black language in university? Can you work in the middle east,USA, AUS by speaking Swati? Grow up man !

      fulufheloprogiga.mukhodobwane - 2012-11-22 23:51

      @ mmangaliso once we start using our own native lingo, we will be internal champs bt International ametures, hardluck bro.

      evanknowles - 2012-11-22 23:53

      Math is a language.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-22 23:56

      just go to those countries then. Its nt for u, its 4 those blacks to make it easyer for them and it seems like u dont get my context. U are just anti black progress

      andrew.ruck.750 - 2012-11-22 23:56

      I didn't realize numbers were different in different languages?! Tet

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-23 00:06

      @mmangaliso, I met a car guard from the DRC that spoke basic Afrikaans. THOSE people wanna go ahead, for sure, and they dont blame the French colonialists.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-23 00:16

      well maths is only numbers! Its ur mind set that wows me the way we depend on other countries is sick u cn even c that most countries depend on us. Langauge is my solution to the problem let it be tested bt nt fail be4 its tested. Whats urs? Sit and type?

      Khutso Rele Mokgosi - 2012-11-23 00:18

      mmangaliso sorry bhuti but how are they going to translate all mathematics and scientific terms into all the other 9 official languages? really now! Don't aim so low. there are much greater opportunities outside the boundaries of South Africa. but in order for us to be as competent as the rest of the world our QUALITY of education has to improve. this has very little to do with language. in actual fact i enjoy the fact that i can speak, read and write in english, afrikaans, setswana, sepedi and sesotho.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-23 00:25

      Its funny that we are all in the titanic and the white elite and rich think that they are safe

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-23 00:27

      @Khutso Rele Mokgosi the power of an atom

      JudoJaco - 2012-11-23 02:13

      May I ask why is all your knowledgeable comments in English ?

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-23 05:50

      @ michael........yeah, computer key boards are English by the way...LOL! Nah get ahead you have to be 'international' nowadys. ENGLISH....young problem in 'home languages' per se, but ones mind has to embrace the excitment and opportunities, when able to understand the power of language.

      Paddy - 2012-11-23 08:44

      In a recent Grade 12 Maths Literacy final paper, question 1 asked "If you have 35 out of 50, what is your percentage?" No matter what language you ask the question in, it is pathetic that our GRADE 12 learners (hate the word!) have to be this clever! No wonder we would collectively struggle to pass wind, let alone pas an exam. No matter how puerile.

      polya314 - 2012-11-23 09:48

      Xhosa doesn't have the necessary jargon to describe Science and mathematics. What are the Xhosa words for: electron Muon Quark Proton Irrational Computational Boson Meson Resistor Capacitor Oscilloscope Diode Photon Matrix Vector Differential Integrand Integer Integral Derivative Operator Wave function Etc. And what about all the chemical names, such as aspirin or acetylsalicylic acid? Afrikaans as a scientific language is used less and less, because research and higher level mathematics and science requires international cooperation to understand and work. You do the children a disservice, teaching them science and mathematics in the language that is not the lingua Franca. Most modern research is now published in English. You can encourage literature and so on in an indigenous language, but to create an entire set of jargon for science and then for the fruits of that labour (the research) to only have that read by other speakers of that indigenous language (about 50 people in academia) is absurd.

      polya314 - 2012-11-23 09:56

      But, suppose we create this jargon. Then it will take many years for there to be sufficient people with the necessary expertise to write the textbooks in that language. Also, those children who have learnt Science in the Xhosa are sent to a university such as UCT, they will constantly be taught by international scholars (out of my 5 lecturers, one is German, the other American, the other Russian and the other Bulgarian) and they don't know any indigenous language. I'm sure your quick answer is to say that these lecturers don't belong in SA, but because of them and their expertise, UCT is still regarded as the best university on the continent. University will be challenging enough, without having to relearn all of Science in a different language.

      kndobe - 2012-11-23 17:57

      @Mangaliso,I am fully behind you brother. Somewhere out there there are clever people who understand the importance of language (Google, Microsoft,and many scholars and programmers)ignorance is bliss mfowethu and many of our contrymen sure are so you will never win. I saw a comment saying is a there a keyboard with xhosa keys,i have seen one with arabic and japanese and some eastern countries and look where those countries are now they are striving.Just imagine if the french, germans, japs were all taught Maths and science in english loool... and some of them understand the language better than english speaking people. Please do not waste your time kwi news24 comments area its not worth your time.

      kndobe - 2012-11-23 18:03

      @Poyla, you seem to know a lot about the Xhosa language.

      polya314 - 2012-11-23 22:09

      @Kndobe Yes, indeed. I'm doing my honours degree in physics, and there are Xhosa PhD students in the physics department. If anyone should know what the names for these terms are: it would be them. You're missing the point anyway, the point is that only Xhosa people would know those terms - so communication with the international scientific community would be impossible. The same argument holds for Afrikaans: a small, insular language that can't support Science and mathematics. The reason why French and German children can be taught in their native tongues is because they have such an extensive and well-developed history in science and mathematics. So does English. Even Japanese mathematicians and physicist write their papers in English. Why not simply require that each South African student learn two indigenous languages and English? Is that really insufficient? Do you really want to set-back South Africa more? I'm in university, and I can tell you, each wave of first-years is getting worse and worse - my professors don't know what to do.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-28 09:59

      i see afrikaans is spoken in other countries too learning in ur Home language makes it easy

  • Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-11-22 23:40

    And it starts from The Head of State: Mandela was a lawyer, Mbeki an economist - Zuma it all went north from there...

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-22 23:49

      Actually, it has nothing to do with the head of state. It has everything to do with the premier of these provinces.

      mmangaliso - 2012-11-23 00:04

      its funny how education cn give u tunnel vision hence the saying think outside the well it seems like ur education has placed u inside the box and u c the world through a small hole.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-11-23 00:36

      You mean South..

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-23 05:52

      Thanduxolo is that you the journalist? Your name looks familiar ?

      bobby.jaan.92 - 2012-11-23 06:48

      Well, to those who do not know this: Jacob Zuma had NO formal education....

      art5SA - 2012-11-24 06:08

      Zuma has a "DEGREE IN STD 3" ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

      art5SA - 2012-11-24 06:09

      Or is that a Std 3 Degree? Either way.....ROFLMAO!!!!

  • Sean Wasserman - 2012-11-22 23:56

    The school subjects are only a part of the problem. A matric certificate with only 30% in 2 subjects is not worth the paper it is written on. This breeds mediocrity and an expectation of hand outs. Values, discipline and hard work is what these kids need to learn.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-23 06:01

      yes but ........LOL! kids learn by example ne? Didn't most of us? I am so old, I can almost remember the Boer war..however, in a day long ago, we could not go to school beacuse of the polio epidemic ne? My late grandfather, would not allow that I sat on the farm for a term, he sent me into a village, everyday, where retired nuns lived, and I had to do school work. They were SO strict!! I loved it.....I learnt more that year than any other in my life!! So saying, there is a growing phenomena in the last few years of 'home schooling'. These kids do brilliantly!! So much so, that when tested, they out shine the scholars at 'private schools'.... what is this telling us?

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-23 00:23

    It's really not a school's place to inculcate children with a deep sense of moral decency, industry and ambition that is totally absent outside the school's gates. Schools broadly reflect the real world from which they draw their enrolment. Those that refuse to do so are resisted and reviled by their community. So having a world-class sticking plaster stuck over a festering wound won't do the trick.

  • mmangaliso - 2012-11-23 00:53

    colonialism in africa was stopped bcoz the minds belonged to Europe

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-11-23 05:19

      Eish baba where is your brain?

      bobby.jaan.92 - 2012-11-23 06:52

      But it also brought education and technology - and health care, Christianity, and many more... According to mmangaliso these are unwanted / not needed in Africa of course...

  • heidi.bracegirdle - 2012-11-23 01:19

    You should never lower the pass rate just because pupils do not perform! The opposite should hppen increase the level make everybody workfor it!.l At the moment nobody likes to belive the qualification as it could be as low as 30%. And who wants to hire somebody like that?

  • chris.whittaker.9047 - 2012-11-23 01:23

    1-The pass mark should be 50.1%. If you don't know the majority of what you are taught then you haven't mastered the subject so how can you pass.2- Which university asks for Maths Literacy as a prerequisite for further studies. Have faith in our students and scrap ML. With hard work from all involved Maths can be done.

  • JudoJaco - 2012-11-23 01:40

    The problem with education started a long time ago. Schools in Soweto had the best equipment farr better than the so called white elite Schools but there is a huge difference in making the best with what you have and burning down and throwing stones and plundering the equipment you received for free. I’m no racist We have a Development Judo Club where we give free training to almost 300 black students (Free Judo Gi) Clothing everything! I took six kids down to the Judo SA’s this year they are the only six out of three hundred willing to work for something. I see the teachers at the School doing to educate some of these kids , but it’s impossible with parents hanging out in drinking places and teaching their kids to rather steel than work Education starts at home!

      siphosethu.ndyamara - 2012-11-23 09:39

      jaco..your whole statement stinks of that famous"im not racist because i have black friends" you even know what type of education black people got during apartheid??...what was the intentions of that system of education?..its sad to see you benefited from a system that you do not understand..maybe they just forgot to tell you that there actually was a sytem that was implimented in south disable the one and able the reap what you sow..what your seeing now is reaping the sowing your apartheid government sowed...investing in less than 10% of the population and forgetting apartheid would not last forever did you guys actually think we were going to let you have this country only for yourselves??? short the non investment that you guys didnot bother to do 50 years ago "with the right equipment" and the right education will rule and will continue to rule with those deffects...karma is a bitch..

  • trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-11-23 02:04

    Been saying this for YEARS now, the ANC does NOT want an EDUCATED voter, it forms the bases for their hold on POWER. If you educate the masses then you have what we having already, educated blacks who don't swallow the propoganda the ANC spews out and are now looking for SOLUTIONS to problems NOT based on race. Keep the masses uneductaed, poor and on welfare and you have an endless supply of ignorance, just ask Julius and his supporters. So this will NEVER change in SA, it's in the the ANC's interest, want proof, look at the education system since they took power, the FIRST institution they took apart for for good reason.

  • dbo.kacebisa - 2012-11-23 04:28

    Judojaco n micheal mamgaliso says we are all in this mess together. Blaming it to 1976 students or ANC wont help us. We need more people like Jansen or mme Mamphele better still a midrand group. We must insist to our young brothers and sisters to take maths and science at school and our country will prosper

      tsietsi.motsatsi - 2012-11-23 05:32

      Jansen must also stop to invite only modern schools wen there is in events in UOFS

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-11-23 04:42

    You are 100% corrent Prof. Jansen.Our education system is in crisis.It is very dissapointing that a very 'rich' country like South Africa is ranked as one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to quality of education. You are not the 1st academic to raise this issue. Dr Ramphele raised this issue several times Even countries like Zimbambe and Malawi are doing better than us. The current minister of educ believes that the non-delivery of textbooks has nothing to do with her...

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-23 05:22

      What makes matters worse is this denialism by Anc. I bet that in the next few hours Prof Jansen will be under attack by someone from the Anc.

      Munyex - 2012-11-23 06:15

      Never try to compare Zimbabwe's education with South Africa's, they're just worlds apart! The current Matric certificate is equivalent to the Zimbabwe Junior Certificate (Form 2). These so called rights are killing these learners, hw on earth do u expect a learner, who is a mother or pregnant, to concentrate and pass her examinations, let alone substance abuse? Educators fail to control these learners because of their rights, in the end, they jst leave them like that, after all, it aint their kids, and their own kids they send them to private schools where discipline exists!

  • barry.pointeer - 2012-11-23 05:10

    the country will implode if we dont get rid of the ANC leadership.....there is nothing wrong with what they stand for its the current leader ship that are screwing things up...we need leaders that will work for us and not their own pockets..

  • piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-23 05:29

    In fact Prof Jansen, the country's democracy is imploding already. The denialsm by ANC and the both ministries of education especially the basic education ministry, is not helping our cause. Its actually making matters even worse. If they fail to handle a simple issue delivery of books, how will they handle a complex issue of education system? A solution is need and fast!

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-23 05:31

      And in the next few hours Prof Jansen will bw under attack from someone in Luthuli house or government anI am willing to take a bet on that one.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-11-23 05:36

    Woo hoo, someone with a brain!!!!

  • MSithole - 2012-11-23 05:37

    A lot of good things are being done. We just need to improve. No need fo panic. Apartheid excluded millions but we never imploded. Speaking opposition mantra is silly

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-11-23 07:46

      you sound educated yet you're talking rubbish. That's the real scary part. Party before the country is catastrophic. Its not Chiefs vs Pirates. People are suffering and dying

  • jan.reinecke.792 - 2012-11-23 05:48

    we are already imploding.....every major institution is decaying....I don't believe it is possible to make predictions when it comes to time frames. There are too many 'salt of the earth' people in SA. The people must rise up and say 'enough is enough' and this is happening. Saying it through guns and sticks, no! Say it through love, compassion, care and concern and last but not least, through justice and transparency.

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-11-23 05:49

    I want to advice my ANC leaders to listen to what Proffesor Jansen is saying, everything that comes from this man is the truth, he is not like other critics who are driven by hate, i read most of his comments, this is the man who love this country and if anyone in the ANC is chosing to ignore him, they are doing that at their own risk, thank you again for another advise Proffessor Jansen! How i wish you and M MetCalfe from Wits can be more involved in education departmernts at a government level.

  • grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-11-23 06:04

    Prof Jansen, we all know that education system is a mess, that matriculants are barely able to read, write or do maths but how can the situation be rectified in the short term? The ANC has messed up the education system in 18years it will take a lot longer to sort it out. I am not hopefull. The population explosion is just one problem, teachers spending too little time in the class is another. Jansen has not suggested any solutions.

      Palesa Degracia Moahloli - 2013-08-26 13:47

      the education system was messed up way before anc ruled some of our parents cant read and write especially in the black communities and are we gonna blame anc for that too?we should stop blaming anc for everything thats going wrong in SA and do something starting with u as an individual

  • Rashida Patel - 2012-11-23 06:17

    Professor Jansen agree with you !!! ANC is failing our south african youth. Wonderful if you would be minister of education

  • marthin.dejongh1 - 2012-11-23 06:19

    1 plus 1 = KABOOOOOM!!!!

  • justice.muzila - 2012-11-23 06:22

    This is the voice is reason. The voice of an academic not political appointee whose gona respond some few hours 2 come calling Prof names. I cry the beloved country. No leadership, no vision.

  • werner.luitingh - 2012-11-23 06:25

    still people vote for the ANC, democracy is of no value to the broad african, due to a lack of an understanding thereof... ironic everyone talks about the struggle, but are they not struggling now?

  • andy.mku.9 - 2012-11-23 06:29

    Jansen is a threat to democracy no one else,this is the guy who let reitz 4 off the hook. Coloured outside white inside

  • David Steyn - 2012-11-23 06:53

    @ Andy you are nothing else but a pure racist.

  • David Steyn - 2012-11-23 07:03

    Education will not solve the problem. Just read the comments of some of the educated people on this site and you will understand what I mean. Learning good morals and values has to start at parental level. A person does not have to be educated to know what is right and what is wrong.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-11-23 07:03

    What u talking about within 10 yrs?!? Its happening nnow already!

  • lindani.zulu.714 - 2012-11-23 07:09

    Jansen my foot..that dude thinks he's white. He's always on the white side of race. He will never see any good in the black government..

      Martha1234 - 2012-11-23 07:24

      So do you really think there is no crisis in our education? Stop looking at colour and start focusing on the problem, which is a huge one, effecting EVERYBODY!

      Boy Bana - 2012-11-23 07:31

      thanx lindani. u ar proof jonathan is correct

      lindani.zulu.714 - 2012-11-23 07:33

      Martha if u see crisis then come up with a solution and stop pointing fingers and the blame game. He's a big person in the education sector so why does he not suggest ideas that can immprove education? U mean everytime we are going to critisize the government on everylevel without presenting new ideas then if the government rejects them we can then critisize?

      Martha1234 - 2012-11-23 08:40

      But surely that is the job of the government, to solve the problem! There are so many things they could do. Firstly, pay the teachers a good salary, train the teachers to inspire pupils to learn. Build more schools that can teach children in all 9 official languages, raise the pass rate, allow pupils who have failed to repeat the year (it is so hard to let a child repeat, I tried with my son) Make it compulsory to finish school to matric, implement programs to get parents involved with the schools, basically, ensure that we as South Africans have a world class, effective education system! It is a cheesy saying but are children are our future and each and every one deserves an excellent education! It should be the highest priority of our government!

      lindani.zulu.714 - 2012-11-23 08:51

      Government is ppl like. U and me who also have flaws. U are making a vallid point right there.. So I u can do that why dnt jansen do so too? Maybe they will listen to himm.

      dave.kofang - 2012-11-23 09:00

      @Lindani truth be told the govt messed up education.Im black n i wont stop critisizing the govt's failures.I matriculated in 1993 and my certificate still look decent as compared to educationed offered now.How on earth do u introduce maths literacy?The lowest point was when they reduced the passing mark.

      Havokreeka - 2012-11-23 10:20

      Lindani, pull your head out of your a$s You're so busy looking at colour you're not even noticing the real problem. White people don't hate the ANC because they're black, they hate the ANC because they incompetent. If you're not sure what "incompetent" means, it's probably because you got your education in the post apartheid era. @Dave, thanks for setting him straight. I just hope more lack people are as open minded as you and not driven by racial hatred.

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-11-23 07:14

    Education ought to be completely privatised - in any country - and State vouchers, which can only be used for school fees, given to parents. The State is a useless organ for education: it cannot teach children to think for themselves.

  • tracy.musto.7 - 2012-11-23 07:18

    I have a foster son who has a mental disability. We live in a small town & there are no special ed schools unless he goes to bording school. He is in a main stream school here but they keep just pushing him from one grade to the next & telling me that he needs special ed. There are no more special ed classes in the schools & that severly disadvantages our kids with special needs. I can't send my son away to a boarding school. He goes to family in the city & within not even a week he wants to come home again as he hates city life & all the noise. He lives for animals & wants to much to be a game ranger or something one day. I know that with the right teaching & education, he can achieve anything he sets his mind to. He hates sitting in a box (classroom) all day &switches off. Also the classes are too big & so he struggles with all the disruptions, etc. The biggest mistake the department of education EVER made was doing away with the so called 'special ed' classes in the main stream schools. There are not nearly enough special ed schools & many of them are private & situated in cities. I am a single parent on a single income. I cannot afford to pay someone to homeschool my child. Even though he is not my biological child, he is my heart child & I love him with everything I have. Where do I get help for this special boy who has already faced too many challenges in his life? He has been with me for 8 years now, coming from an abusive & neglected background.

  • catherinestuart.alexander - 2012-11-23 07:21

    Give that man a Bells...............

  • my10cent - 2012-11-23 07:22

    Amen, Jonathan, Amen!!!

  • Kirsten Jeanette Olivier - 2012-11-23 07:23

    fair enough and some of the comments valid, but dont you think the depreciation or lowering of our education is on purpose?? Think about it. The Government cant have too many educated people. Yes, we need doctors, engineers, accountants ect but they cant have too many of us or their 'followers' being educated as their 'followers' might click what the Government is all about or just be a bit wiser about it all and the old Gov could lose its votes and control. In a nutshell, Gov needs ignorant people to stay in control.... food for thought...

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-11-23 07:24

    The problem is that the government is stealing all the money. It's using what's left on new houses, renovations, hugely expensive cars, first class travel for them and their families ad nauseous . Nothing left for schooling. They didn't care about education to start off with. An uneducated person can and is president of the country. What a fantastic role model.

  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-11-23 07:27

    The failure in education in thei country starts at the very top. An illiterate, innumerate bully at the very top chooses buffoons to dumb down the system (two levels of MBA will but every black graduate into the stupid pile no matter how well he or she has done) to play with statistics. Who do they think they are folling, its not management and it is not the general public. Then the ANC members who do the teaching are not interested in doing their job. They look for pay increases and better conditions, leave the pupils untended and don't do their job. What do the pupils learn from this example; you get on by failing in what you do, you are lazy and don't take instruction. Maybe a president with half an iota of care for the coluntry would appoint someone with character like Jansen to head up education but he would shine so brightly in cabinet that he would b lind everyone; including the coward who "leads" this country.

  • ft.burhaak - 2012-11-23 07:28

    If i just look at that Surtee being the dep minister,that alone is a disaster in education.The man is corrupt and clueless,who abuses his position in cabinet to solve his domestic problems.

  • marius.devilliers.9 - 2012-11-23 07:34

    Give that man a bells, that is one of the main reasons we chose to homeschool our children.

  • klip.indiebos - 2012-11-23 07:41

    Well done to Jansen, that is what real Leaders do, face the brutal facts and then engage the right people to deliver. I wish our not so real Leaders (showerhead and cronies) could look and learn.

  • dbo.kacebisa - 2012-11-23 07:44

    Jansen has his faults. So is everybody. The sooner we stiffle debate on issues with racecards and name calling wont help us as South Africans to make our country prosperous. Yet Jansen made a valid point...lets not play the man. We have a ball to play. For me its painful to hear/see comments that are hellbent to villify either our government or Jansen.

  • bulelani.langeni - 2012-11-23 07:45

    Our government system is pathetic from the top to the bottom, but criticism will not solve the problem we need solutions why not suggest ideas

      klip.indiebos - 2012-11-23 07:48

      Easy answer, stop deploying cadres and put the best 'man' (person) in place to do the job.

      Havokreeka - 2012-11-23 10:21

      Actually criticism will help people realise voting ANC in a mistake, once they're not in power any more we can start rebuilding and mending all the damage they're cause over the last 2 decades.