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Evidence that ANCYL 'set up Malema riot'

2011-09-02 07:19

Johannesburg - Police crime intelligence operatives have been unleashed to investigate those behind the ANC Youth League’s riot in support of their leader Julius Malema this week, as evidence implicating the youth wing’s top leaders in organising the dramatic protest grows.

The move comes as the ANC Youth League continues to insist that its national leadership had no hand in organising the bussing of supporters to Johannesburg this week, while the ANC itself lays the blame squarely at the youth wing’s door.

A national law enforcement source told Media24 Investigations that the police crime intelligence unit has been brought in to the investigation as the ANC hunts down the ringleaders of the protest that escalated into violence.

ANC investigation

The revelation also provides some explanation for National Police Commissioner General Bheki Cele’s arrival at Luthuli House on Tuesday at the height of the protest.

ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said he was not aware of the crime intelligence investigation.

“We are not part of the state machinery so we are not aware of that.” He would not discuss the party’s own actions, saying it was premature until a meeting scheduled for early next week was held.

The top law enforcement official said the investigation is being given top priority and that the police and the ANC were stunned at the level of organisation involved in getting the thousands of supporters out on to the streets.

The official said the ANC was also doing its own investigation, which included tracking down service providers of equipment and transport for the event to isolate the source of funding in a bid to locate key players.

The police did not respond to requests for official comment on Thursday.

Media24 Investigations has spoken to a number of bus owners whose vehicles were seen at the protest.

They confirmed that the vehicles were hired and paid for by the youth league.

R1.2m to bus in supporters

Media24 Investigations has established that:
- Last week ANCYL NEC members formally approached regional Youth League leaders and instructed them to support Malema and to organise supporters;
- NEC members actively assisted them to develop logistical plans to send thousands of supporters to Johannesburg;
- At least one NEC member is alleged to have approached a leading business figure for financial support in bussing supporters, and;
- The Youth League spent at least R1.2m in bussing thousands of supporters in at least 54 buses and scores of minibus taxis to Luthuli House, based on an average cost per bus of around R23 000, according to bus company owners interviewed;

Two provincial Youth League insiders described how, at the Eastern Cape’s general council meeting last week, it was made clear that the national office of the youth league was ordering provinces to arrange for Malema’s support and to deliver them to Johannesburg.

The two said they were uncomfortable with the instructions.

Kebby Maphatsoe, the chairperson of the Mkhonto weSizwe Veterans’ Association, said: “This was clearly well-planned and orchestrated mission by the ANC Youth League NEC. It is clear that the leadership of the ANCYL was involved in organising these protesters because provincial general councils were held on their instructions.”

Andile Lungisa, ANCYL NEC member and chair of the National Youth Development Agency, confirmed the NEC’s involvement in assisting to organise Malema’s support, saying they “communicated” to all provincial structures to stand behind him.

But Youth League spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy insisted that the NEC had nothing to do with organising the protesters and that the organisation’s regions decided on their own during provincial general council meetings.

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Comments
  • Houston - 2011-09-02 07:28

    Even though these clowns could not irganise a pi$$ up in a brewery, they were obviously behind it!

      GTA_Lad - 2011-09-02 07:39

      whats to organize?? Just show up and start breaking stuff, its as easy as that!

      Taboo - 2011-09-02 07:39

      Well when you see the t-shirts and banners of FATBOY, you can only guess who organized the whole thing. I mean really, did anyone think that the supporters went themselves and had the banners printed. The ancyl funded and planned the whole thing. Wow, how embarressing that you have to arrange your own supporters.

      Man.Dumisani - 2011-09-02 07:44

      This was completely orchestrated by Malema, Floyd and the ANC Youth League. I know this for a FACT !!! They MUST be expelled from the ANC Youth League as they are poison to South Africa's democracy.

      saabnut - 2011-09-02 07:53

      Ra, ra, ra, ra... nothing will happen- just like with the COSATU strikes over the last 15 years.

      HONKY101 - 2011-09-02 07:58

      We seem to forget that the ANCYL is part of the ANC. The ANC should be held liable for this chaos. The youth leauge is a division within their organisation. Why is it that the ANC leadership feel that they have no blame in this matter ? Is it not through their failings that the riot occured ??

      Daw57 - 2011-09-02 08:08

      It was like a carefully scripted drama. Picture this: A huge number of supporters pitch up in (54?) buses, they get unruly, riot, riot, riot ... riot some more, throw bricks, then, on cue, wait for it... JUJU ENTERS! (Stage left?) He raises his arms and his voice ... and calms the crowd. Just like that. A miracle! He cuts a messianic figure, ready to lead the country from chaos to calm. (As long as there's no reading, 'riting or 'rythmetic involved.) Oy vey, woe is us...

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-02 08:12

      Good thing is, that this violent protest is not been taken lightly.

      OB1 - 2011-09-02 08:13

      Even with supportes bussed in from all over the country, thats all the support they could drum up...a few hundred hooligans!? laughable, YL is a joke.

      Slapper - 2011-09-02 08:15

      Do they really need to Investigate this? Its obvious that the ANCYL is behind it. I wonder if they used taxpayers money, or Lotto Grants, to bus the mob in?

      Netherlander - 2011-09-02 08:18

      If THAT was "ORGANISED" then "BLOW ME DOWN WITH A FEATHER".... I WOULD HATE to see DIS-ORGANISED!!!!!!!!

      OuWitBooi - 2011-09-02 08:19

      It was a very carefully planned and executed plan to tell the ANC "Mess with me and you can expect this across the country". If the Malema problem is not solved right now it will just get worse and worse. I hope that at 9am when the DC reconvenes an incitement to violence charge is added to Malema's charge sheet.

      StBad - 2011-09-02 08:19

      If you had've offered each of those (1000 plus) supporters their equal portion of the R1,2 million (R1 200 each), would they have stayed home and forgot about the protest?

      Netherlander - 2011-09-02 08:21

      DAW57,... did you not just LOVE HIS BUTCH REVOLUTIONARY OUTFIT??? Tried the whole Che' Guevara/ Chris Hani look, BUT HE IS TO FAT TO CARRY IT OFF!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROFLMWAO!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ( Falls off chair)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 08:32

      That is TREASON!!! Throw them in jail!!!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 08:32

      Saw Juju on TV this morning, as plump as he is - and suddenly I had a craving for bacon... I wonder why?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 08:37

      Not sure if anyone remembers this old Afrikaans song - let's twist it though: Dierbaar ou huis van Luthuli Daar in die ou Transvaal Dierbaar ou huis van Luthuli Daar wil JM ooit in dwaal Huis van diefstal en korrupsie... Daar haat hulle die moedertaal Dierbaar ou huis van Luthuli Daar wil JM ooit in dwaal (clue: Virginia Lee - Huisie in die Berge)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 08:39

      @ Netherlander - with Juju being so fat and owning farms, he'd sooner resemble ET than Che...

      Bloodbane_3 - 2011-09-02 08:44

      @Matt :-) I wish it was treason, I believe treason still carries the death sentence in SA.

      sushi - 2011-09-02 08:51

      when shower head was attending court for rape charges no one was investigated,gwede must stop playing games,the agenda as it has been said is mangaung conference,theres no need for investigations.this is politics if you cant handle them get out of the kitchen.

      Derek - 2011-09-02 08:55

      Well said Man. Dumisani. They are not only poison but dangerous for our democracy. For every positive unifying event i.e. world cup, rugby send-off, south africans of all colours and creeds working in ngo's to help others, Mandela day etc they manage to get involved , break down the goodwill, inflame racism, and generally undermine all positive endeavours. Surely wise heads in the anc realise they have to go for the greater good of all citizens?

      Totman - 2011-09-02 08:55

      @Matt. Sorry man, even twisted it is till not good poetry and therefore I presume not a good song. I am not talking of the meaning of it, but the structure and the use of words. ;)

      Megan - 2011-09-02 09:00

      @ Bloodbane, as far as I'm aware, only during times of conflict (i.e. war) is the death penalty considered punishment for Treason. That is of course assuming that law is still practiced. But I could also be wrong?

      Bloodbane_3 - 2011-09-02 09:12

      Mega - looks like your right, this is the best I could find on the subject: The court may impose the death sentence for treason committed in a time of war. ALthough the constitutional court has delcare the death penalty to be unconstitutional, it has expressly left open the question whether this determination applied also to th crime of treason. in practice the death penalty was seldom imposed for treason.

      grod - 2011-09-02 09:16

      Just give them a T shirt and some KFC and they will support anyone!

      victorp - 2011-09-02 09:22

      Get beers

      Nipcat - 2011-09-02 09:33

      These anc youth league guys think we are just as stupid as they are! Their motto - deny, deny, deny. Then lie. If that doesn't work "it was said out of context".

      Aleg - 2011-09-02 09:35

      Spare the rod and spoil the child. The ANCYL have been allowed to run amok like undisciplined brats, becoming more & more delinquent & disrespectful towards their elders & their fellow South Africans. Why couldn't the R1.2m have been used towards skills development so that all those that were bussed in could rather have been given something that could lead to meaningful employment? Some of the supporters mumbled something about being there for economic freedom. Yes, MALema is one of the most economically free - with his trust fund, fat belly (matching his fat bank accounts), etc. How many of these supporters, who I presume are all unemployed, often have restless nights due to the emptiness of their bellies, while their 'god' sleeps peacefully knowing that the only financial woes he has is what overpriced watch will be his next acquisition? Lastly, did anyone notice the send off the Springboks received last night. Hoards of people crowding around to see them off. I am sure that with all the masses of people, there wasn't one incident of rioting, looting, or thuggish behaviour. Now, look at the ANCYL, COSATO, and other similar 'gatherings' and the destruction they leave in their wake. Why?

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 10:04

      it wasnt organised as such, they probably put word out that they needed people to break and destroy things for a beer and that was the response

      REALIST - 2011-09-02 10:46

      Thanks to the Police for stating the blatantly obvious! Now, PLEASE hold the ANCYL legally and financially responsible for their actions... I think we should start a class action as South African citizens!

      Point Blank - 2011-09-02 13:02

      avatar Point Blank - Just posted Report comment Malema played this whole affair, he mustered up sympathy from his followers for 2 weeks leading up to the DC - even saw pictures of him in church with Floyd on his knees asking for guidance?? He played the poor victim and by doing so his supporters grew angry and the "criminal element" took advantage... right? Ja whatever...

      Picachu - 2011-09-02 14:56

      Make the ANCYL pay the damages caused. If they want to play big, they must be able to sustain it.

      maseratifitt - 2011-09-02 17:59

      I would just love to see an ANC politician trying to disprove your analysis, GTA-Lad. In one sentence...very good!

  • Grayman - 2011-09-02 07:28

    Woo Hoo - the plot thickens!

      kolobe - 2011-09-02 07:45

      with so much coverage the ancyl must be bigger than the da

      SamuelMabena - 2011-09-02 07:49

      @ kolobe - you are white and just causing rubbish here. Voetsek! The ANCYL are a joke and they are a sinking ship. They will lose their ANC membership and with that, their free bus ride in SA politics. DOWN WITH THE ANCYL !!!

      J.B - 2011-09-02 07:52

      Not quite the coverage one would want, is it? Maybe if you're a criminal organisation trying to promote your services.

      allie - 2011-09-02 07:53

      Don`t cry now ANC pappas,you taught these young skollies how to bus in rioters or voters.You reap what you sow,but then,what do you AH`s know about the good book.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-09-02 08:00

      I will answer you in English because I choose to, I'm not stuck in a cave with a closed mind like you.

      Grayman - 2011-09-02 08:07

      @kolobe: In the mid 80's the coal miners in the UK thought that they were bigger than Maggie Thatcher. They were wrong. She brought in a secret ballot and discovered that the miners did not support their union leaders. There is no doubt that Malema has a large following, but when push comes to shove, will his mindless, street trashing, rent-a-crowd actually put a cross next to his name? Malema is too scared to start his own party because the ANC sheep will vote ANC again. They are like babies born in jail - they don't know any better.

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 08:13

      @SamuelMabena ewe boetie.

      Welleducated - 2011-09-02 08:19

      kolobe - racists like you have the intelligence which equals your education - none.

      vrystaat - 2011-09-02 08:23

      nicely said sam!shap

      POLAR_BEAR - 2011-09-02 08:36

      Kolobe - no, with so much coverage, hundreds of thousands of more black people have decided to vote DA in the next elections. Thanks.

      Andre Watson - 2011-09-02 08:41

      @Kolobe, yes the ANCYL is getting more press. But that is how it works, the criminals, thieves, thugs, murderers etc. normally gets more press than the people who do the right things. Pick up any newspaper, there are not a lot of good new in there. As long as they keep up their criminal and stupid behaviour, they will get more press. Sad but true.

      grod - 2011-09-02 09:26

      @kolobe - how come your upvotes always seem to resemble your IQ?

      Nipcat - 2011-09-02 09:36

      @kolobe At least the DA gets POSITIVE coverage. Even you can't call this good coverage!

      sefeddt - 2011-09-02 10:07

      @Kolbe, bigger is not always brighter.

  • Komasa - 2011-09-02 07:28

    Why is one not surprised. Sink this embarrasment once and for all.

  • John - 2011-09-02 07:28

    Question - who paid for the busses? Question - who feed them? Question - who paid for all those fancy printed banners? Question - who paid for all those nice T shirts? Of course, it is obvious - Father Christmas did. The ANCYL would not spend that amount of money especially when it could have been used to fund more JW Black Label whisky.

      Nkalakatha - 2011-09-02 07:45

      Maybe Sushi King Kenny Kunene gave some "tips" to them.... Wait for 2012 there is going to be BIG suprises within the ANC.....they want to oust the Prez.....

      SamuelMabena - 2011-09-02 07:50

      @Nkalakatha - that's why the ANC will kick them out of the party now. Then they cannot lobby to oust the old ANC elders. They will lose their voting and lobbying power. The old ANC guard needs to act now and get rid of these racist and militant ANCYL trouble makers.

      saabnut - 2011-09-02 07:57

      No John- it was the ancestors...

      frans van erk - 2011-09-02 08:09

      Hello John, Of course Father Christmas's wallet, filled with the sweat of each and every South African will cover all these bills. That is the way a demagogue's action in any dictatorship works. The dictator's regime, here the whole structure of this ANC,loots the taxpayers moneys, inclusive that of the uninformed protesters. All criminal squandering by corrupt public servants from president to toilet cleaner.

      Ockert - 2011-09-02 08:15

      The ANC top structures should then put the following in place - Blackist the providers of busses, T-shirts , Posters and food providers from their next parties and campaigns - as these guys obviously do not support the top structures of their party , that should teach the providers a serious lesson.

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 08:35

      @saabnut I notice all your comments have reference to the 'ancestors', try expanding the scope of your comments. At least we don't believe in the easter bunny, tooth fairy and father christmas. Your 'one liners' are a reflection of your limited intellect.

      Totman - 2011-09-02 08:37

      @Samuel. If they want them out they will also start changing Limpopo's structure. From the premier till director's level will slowly be replaced. Zuma is a behind the scene operator and he know by taking out the hart of Malema's support/financial/power structure, survival is extremely difficult. Does not matter if they found him guilty or not. This action will be a must for the ANC. I think, being from an intelligence division before, Zuma is already busy orchestrating this while keeping Malema busy with a hearing.

      Nipcat - 2011-09-02 09:38

      Question - who gave them alcohol. Apparently the ones gathering early this morning were already drunk!

  • skully - 2011-09-02 07:30

    No surprise here - they went to schools in Soweto to rent a crowd. Now lets see if the ANC (the seniors that is) has the guts to expel the prick and his cohorts

      John Wilderness - 2011-09-02 08:01

      Obviously they rented a crowd but how do you know that they from Soweto ?

      dogue - 2011-09-02 08:16

      Ja, why from Soweto? Could also be from Alexandra. Even Thembisa.

      stack - 2011-09-02 09:32

      they did say in the news that they had bussed in school kids from Soweto on Tuesday

  • Bloodbane_3 - 2011-09-02 07:32

    they not to bright are they. would think that they would at least try cover their tracks. even if it was damn obvious that they had organised it.

      GTA_Lad - 2011-09-02 07:59

      Brother, you are talking about a whole herd of woodwork failures, do you really think they thought about any consequences?

      Mags_24 - 2011-09-02 08:20

      They were bright enough to raise money and organise for thousands of people from around the country to get to josi. I suspect they didn’t cover their tracks because they thought the police or ANC would not investigate. The Youth league has gotten away with so much that they thought they were untouchable.

      DW - 2011-09-02 08:24

      Actually I think they WANTED the ANC to figure out that they organised it. They are trying to show the ANC how "powerful" they are and how much support they have. But its easy to get a whole lot of schoolkids and unemployed youth to get a free ride the Jozi for the day, food and drink thrown in. Its like one big riotous party. At most there were about 4000 people. If that is the support they had to pay so dearly for, good luck to them.

      OuWitBooi - 2011-09-02 08:28

      On the surface they will deny it, but underneath they want the ANC to know that it was orchestrated by the YL. The want the ANC to get the message that the YL can and will unleash violence across the country if action is taken against Malema. As others have already noted - the YL were taught these tactics by the ANC seniors, so there should be no surprise when these tactics are used against the ANC itself. If the only tool you have is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail. @GTA-Lad They didn't only think about the consequences, they planned them. They know ShowerHead is quaking in his boots. I hope some of the other ANC senior people who do have balls force SH to do something because the longer Malema is left to do what he wants, the more difficult it will be to eventually stop him.

      Bloodbane_3 - 2011-09-02 08:40

      @DW - think so as well, problem here is that was an un sanctioned protest or gathering, which can result in criminal charges being laid against the organiser's, IF the ANC is really going to go threw with this. If the ANC memebers I work with are anything to go by Julius is out and the youth league is in trouble.

  • ProudExpat - 2011-09-02 07:33

    Seriously, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that this was all intricately planned. The ANCYL must be held responsible for their actions. All will be revealed in a couple of hours time so let's wait and see...

      OZNOB - 2011-09-02 07:41

      AGREE with you there and then charge th ones who organised it for disturbing the oeace etec etc and let them get the fruits of their labour in jail

  • Sammy - 2011-09-02 07:33

    EVERYONE TOGETHER... "BANANA REPUBLIC!"

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 07:55

      ...is busy slipping up hard

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-02 08:40

      "...is busy slipping up hard" - sounds like something JZ would do

  • AndV - 2011-09-02 07:35

    They have a right to protest. They don't have a right to damage property and that is unacceptable. How they got to the venue and who organised what is irrelevant, we live in a democracy. The question is, "Was the march applied for and who approved it". If not, why were these people not stopped before they arrived at the venue and arrested?

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 07:56

      Yes the police had the power to send them away. but they could have been dropped off a block away and then walked there. There is no way to stop a locust attack.

      Babygal - 2011-09-02 09:08

      i dont think it was approved, but i am not sure one thing that i am sure of is that FLOYD, JULIUS ans SINDISO had everything to do with it.

  • Danie - 2011-09-02 07:35

    Blame will be on "apartheids" shoulder again

      AceOfSpades - 2011-09-02 07:48

      Yeah, it's the white mans fault for providing the technology to build the buses which transported the supporters. Increase white tax to pay for the damage.

      saabnut - 2011-09-02 07:59

      And it is the government's fault for not stopping them from rioting.

      John Wilderness - 2011-09-02 08:02

      You speak as if apartheid and its supporters are innocent.

      AceOfSpades - 2011-09-02 08:23

      Well John, why don't you share your brilliant intellect with us and explain in easy to understand English how apartheid is to blame for the damage caused by these supporters. Oh come on, I know you want to.

      The Observer - 2011-09-02 08:27

      john, apartheid supporters are closing down on retirement if not dead yet. You are like a record player, same stuff over and over and over. Small minds hey.

      Totman - 2011-09-02 08:47

      Ai Danie. It seams most on this forum are blaming the YL for it. Can't we once not trying to alienating each other when we mostly agreeing on something. It is like some-one that just have to get that extra kick in. You can use that "saying" later when the trolls starting to comment or on another article.

      tryanything - 2011-09-02 08:52

      Hopefully John you are the last of the thick apartheid duchmen left.

  • Greg - 2011-09-02 07:36

    Where do thjey get the money from that they are spending?????

      Worker - 2011-09-02 07:54

      Gaddafi and similar people - why do you think they don't say anything about all the non-democratic (but rich) countries ?

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 07:56

      Business support, sushi boy and there are many others "that made it on their own"

      Fedup - 2011-09-02 08:46

      Gaddafi for sure

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 10:12

      from illegal tenders dodo

      john - 2011-09-02 11:18

      The ANCYL is funded generously by businessmen who want to be in position to profit when Malema becomes President. Bussing in supporters: R1.2m Damage to the city: R30m Benefits for the country: R0 ANCYL's claims that African poverty is colonialism's fault: priceless How many RDP homes, school textbooks, medical supplies for clinics could R31.2 million have bought? The ANCYL pissed that away in one morning. It is due to incidents like this that "African solutions for African problems" is not taken seriously.

  • Msendie - 2011-09-02 07:37

    and the ANCYL is deniying the involvement of getting people to LUTHULI house for the support of the PResident of the YL, who is fooling who?

      MuntuzaB - 2011-09-02 09:37

      But did he express his disapproval of the hooligans' presence? No! So whaleboy knew exactly that his unemployed, mostly school drop outs will come and put the city under siege in the same fashion reminiscent of JZ's rape and corruption trials

  • Mixyez - 2011-09-02 07:38

    Why do you think most of the "events" are well attended? The people are bussed in, "rent a crowd.com". Perhaps the promise of a meal is all that it takes to get your numbers up. Without this form of subsidy there would be hardly anyone attending these social gatherings. The other problem is the publicity that we give them by doing this. How many times have you seen protesters just standing around but as soon as the camera is on them they suddenly become very animated. Don't give them the publicity, just have some hidden cameras to identify and prosecute the offenders. Most of this is just for show.

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 07:59

      It might start out as hsow for the cameras, but when the first brick hits a reporter in the face then it isnt sho wanymore, and the flames and the broken eveyrthing everywhere. It only takes a few minutes and the inner beast takes over then they have no control.

      saabnut - 2011-09-02 08:00

      How do you think the ANC infiltrated the Western Cape in the early 90's? Same thing.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 10:15

      looking at the beer bottles in the street they were not promised a meal it was more like a pissup

  • danie.dejager - 2011-09-02 07:42

    Funny how they can plan chaos and destruction so well but when it comes to doing something good and valuable. Where are they then?

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:01

      Yes if only they put all the money and brain power together and planned something decent like look after your family dont screw everythign that walks. But lets rather fight being victims our whole lives

      Nipcat - 2011-09-02 09:43

      All their brain power goes into negative things like defrauding the taxpayer, corruption, and scams. Have you every noticed how complicated some of these scams and corrupt deals are?

  • onthefence - 2011-09-02 07:43

    Why is the government so determined to find an punish those responsible - when there is industrial action and the strikers damage property no investigation.....only because the ANC was attacked here and they don't care when businesses and private individuals are attacked.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-09-02 07:52

      The brand image/strength of the ANC is more important to the ANC than civil unrest and industrial action. Without the emotional brand image of the ANC, the party would have no power. They must protect that ANC brand at all costs.

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:03

      Yip exactly......the government is linked to Cosatu and cosatu is linked to the unions and the unions to the members. the members gets a raise the union cosatu and the AAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC gets a raise

      DW - 2011-09-02 08:29

      Actually I dont think they were that determined at all. The police were there in their hundreds - and not a single arrest on the day???!! While I fully support finding out who is behind it, they could easily have rounded these brats up in their hundreds and shipped them off for an overnight visit to the cells. That would possibly have made them think twice if they got asked to do it again.

      Roman Moroni - 2011-09-02 08:33

      And it shifts the blame to some other entity. The ANC know very well that this didn't go down well and there is not the moral justification of "they are poor and fighting for their rights" so it is convenient to blame someone else.

  • Peacock - 2011-09-02 07:43

    The question arises as to how was is it that all those people were able to get time off work to go to these "riots". Or have they absconded from work? If they are unemployed, where did they get the money to have the "parties" for the all night vigils which then left beer bottles strewn all over the place mixed up with all the KFC/Wimpy/Nando take away packets / papers???? Where did they go to loo and who paid for the portapotties? Who paid for all af that

      onthefence - 2011-09-02 07:49

      You did....in your last pay cheque - and they didn't even invite you!! That is just bad manners

      OuWitBooi - 2011-09-02 08:37

      Moeletsi Mbeki pointed out in an interview earlier this week that 70% of the people who voted for the ANC are unemployed. And in the YL I guess it is closer to 90%.

      maseratifitt - 2011-09-02 18:06

      OuWitBooi : This is exactly the reason why the ANC would like to keep people in poverty and ignorance. It is their primary "power" base.

  • ANC support - 2011-09-02 07:48

    Hope we can close the chapter and wipe clean. ANC really needs to clean up this mess for the sake of all of SA. Come on ANC, do the right thing, we know you can!

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:07

      If they do the right thing there is goign to be anarchy. Tuesday is goign to look calm. Maybe we need a couple of 100 Zulu impis with shields and knop kieries to contain the crowd like was done in the old days.

      Noziwawa - 2011-09-02 09:01

      They can and this time they are going to do the right thing.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 10:16

      you really are a slow learner

      maseratifitt - 2011-09-02 18:10

      Do the right thing? The ANC? You mean,like the PIB?

      cuckoo2011 - 2011-09-03 12:36

      Where have they ever done the right thing? The cANCer cannot!

  • Msendie - 2011-09-02 07:50

    who is fooling who?

  • J.B - 2011-09-02 07:50

    And why should I be surprised?! They are the mob and they will do as they please.

  • Podgette - 2011-09-02 07:50

    comeon ANCYL - for once man up and take responsibility! Their theme anthem shouldn't be "shoot the boer" it should be "it wasn't me". Pathetic!!

      scipio - 2011-09-02 09:29

      or maybe they could sing malemas anthem, me me me me me me

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-02 07:51

    Liars.

  • kimsha - 2011-09-02 07:51

    I watched them doing their stupid little jig with their arms straight down by their sides and the head slightly tilted forward. Exactly the same as some animal species. And they stole bananas from the hawkers.

  • Worker - 2011-09-02 07:51

    Now do you see what the future of SA holds ? WAKE UP SA - these are the methods used by HITLER as well as other NON DEMOCRATIC bodies to eventually HIJACK the system. WAKE UP and smell the *^%$# !

  • Dries - 2011-09-02 07:52

    It is only on this continent Africa where the police are of the character to be "unleashed". No wonder a murdering brutality against innocent motorists (like the white lady shot dead while parking her car) is the order of the day: "Police crime intelligence operatives have been unleashed...." Intelligence operatives are mere detectives who must do detective work.

  • Zokey - 2011-09-02 07:53

    They were all unemployed anyway. A good ANDYL supporter always is

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:10

      @Zonkey ANDYL=African National Donkey Youth LEague

      MuntuzaB - 2011-09-02 09:38

      ... and drop outs!

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-09-02 07:54

    So the ANC tell the crime intelligence to do something... um what wait, you mean they openly use the police as their tool now. So thats the NPA, the courts, the judges and the cops. By definition the police are servants of the people, the courts are a tool of the people against government, this is the nature of democracy. Banana Republic, except I doubt anyone in the ruling party has read Plato's republic.

  • Theodon - 2011-09-02 07:55

    No...It can't be...this comes as such a surprise...I'm shocked...

      Rob - 2011-09-02 08:11

      I know, this come as such a revelation!

  • twolips - 2011-09-02 07:55

    As long as the police don't screw up the evidence or lose it there should be a case against the ANCYL.

  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-02 07:59

    I'm glad the cops are on top of this one

  • CyberDog - 2011-09-02 08:00

    Wow, this is a first .... so if it effects the ANC then all of a sudden there is resources and the ability to investigate who was behind it, in all other cases, where it effects everyone else, Nada, not even the slightest attempt to investigate. Yeah, the ANC and their affiliates are showing day by day who they really are.

  • Mart - 2011-09-02 08:00

    I would also seriously want the authorities to consider doing drug tests on ANCYL's leadership. I am convinced there is enough irrational behaviour from them to suggest that they are abusing 'tik' or similar drugs. This would, I think answer a lot of the other questions we may have as to their mental capacity.

  • John Bokyeni - 2011-09-02 08:00

    Tired of reading about Malema!!! YAWWWN He is a disgrace and that's it!

  • Jimmyfuse - 2011-09-02 08:01

    How the ANC government STILL even contemplates tolerating this Malema bafoon a second longer is way beyond and realm of reason!!

  • Ten Ras - 2011-09-02 08:02

    Leave our Leaders alone...White people are trying by all means to use media to prosecute Malema. Lets not make them happy by slashing our child.

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:23

      Yes maybe we should, the leaders do not function in civilised society with civilised society. maybe all the leaders should go back in excile in another country

      Zulayga - 2011-09-02 14:52

      Without a dought you are one of them the idiots

  • Francois Coetzer - 2011-09-02 08:03

    M.A.L.E.M.A Malfunctioning African Ludicrous Extinct Moerdom Anus

  • PhillipF - 2011-09-02 08:04

    WTF?! 1.2 million wasted on busses? Lets do some maths quickly.... Average cost for one year at university is about R60 000. So had the ANCYL given that money to education they could have supported 20 students to study for one year OR they could have paid for 5 students to finish a 4 year degree! That would have made way more sense and would have helped them much more in terms of PR than paying 1.2 million just so school kids are taken out of school and told to join an angry, violent mob.....

      jevoixtout - 2011-09-02 08:46

      Add the R30m damage caused and you could put an entire village through university.

      Zulayga - 2011-09-02 14:53

      Well said Phillip F, how amazing some of us can use our brains

  • waine - 2011-09-02 08:06

    Do the ANCYL supporters actually know what they protested about? The ANC are taking disciplinary action for alleged misconduct, an administrative process conducted by all organisations when a member allegedly errs in conduct. Like puppet sheep they blindly follow their leader and protest, agaist what? The ANC are going to pay for not creating enough employment and for not delivering to the masses who lurk like a time bomb waiting to explode.

  • Rob - 2011-09-02 08:06

    The funny thing is people don't support him out of their own free will

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:26

      Not...aaa you reckon it is the free bus rides and KFC???

  • Terminusest - 2011-09-02 08:06

    Nom, Nom, Chubby boy wants to be president. This is merely the first part of steps to unseat the spineless jellyfish JZ783.

  • p123 - 2011-09-02 08:11

    So what, they will do F all about it anyway, they are about to let Julius off anyway, ANC are just a bunch of useless losers with no backbone.

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:27

      We can only hope. Anarchy will reign if he gets expelled.

      Daemos1 - 2011-09-02 08:39

      Better brief anarchy than more years of this crap

  • nomercy - 2011-09-02 08:11

    I'm thrilled at the well organised demos-It's given the international community the opportunity to witness just how crude, barbaric, thuggish and dumb these a#$%^holes are!

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:27

      Premeditating chaos

  • OB1 - 2011-09-02 08:13

    Even with supportes bussed in from all over the country, thats all they could get together...a few hundred hooligans!? laughable, YL is a joke.

  • mink - 2011-09-02 08:13

    this is silly.. The ANC has been renting crowds for years. ANCYL is doing what they were tought.

      MSGRule - 2011-09-02 08:28

      Ja our fearlees leader rented crowds for the corruption and rape hearings

      victorp - 2011-09-02 09:40

      Always been renting crowds, You riot or you choose a tyre crossply or radial

  • mink - 2011-09-02 08:16

    ANC has been doing this for years. bus people to its rallies, court hearings and so on. ANCYL is just doing what they were taught.

  • Grey B - 2011-09-02 08:18

    This is not News, everyone knows it. The ANCYL learned it from the ANC! The ANC has made their beds, now sleep in it.

  • African_meisie - 2011-09-02 08:18

    This quite honestly should be the final nail in the coffin for Juliaas! Out with the destroyer of the rainbow nation and the south african economy!

  • Shonakhona - 2011-09-02 08:20

    Malema and his team must be fired. They are embarassing the organisation, they are headless idiots.

  • Happygas - 2011-09-02 08:21

    ANCYL we are not DUMB

      victorp - 2011-09-02 12:24

      What are you

  • swoan - 2011-09-02 08:28

    enough reasons to get rid of this dead wood, he's done nothing to the youth of this country, everytime he opens his filthy mouth worms comes out!

  • leon.alhadeff - 2011-09-02 08:29

    It was not the ANCYL. You are all racist dogs it was the bloody agents who orchestrated the posters, the t-shirts and the beeeeeer!!!!!