FF Plus unhappy with God removal

2011-01-12 21:16

Bloemfontein - The removal of the word "God" in the slogan of the University of the Free State was criticised by the Freedom Front Plus on Wednesday.

"The FF Plus thinks the decision by the management of the university was wrong," said FF Plus youth leader Jan van Niekerk.

He said the FF Plus Kovsies student body sent a letter to the chairperson of the UFS council in which it sets out its strongest disapproval.

"The areas from which the UFS gets most of its students are mainly religious which means that this change already excludes students."

The party said the university should understand the difference between transformation and excellence and that the UFS could still hold excellent academic standards without giving up the nature and principles of Kovsies.

Van Niekerk said examples of this were the universities of Princeston, Oxford and Yale, which "boldly give recognition to God in their slogans".

"Leaving out 'God' would not really change the students' problems at ground level, only education, leadership and support would change that."

FF Plus Kovsie leader Abrie Marais said many students were not happy with the decision as they were again left out of the decision.

Marais said the UFS was not handling the matter in a transparent manner because the matter was handled while the Student Representative Council was disbanded and over the December holiday period.

It was reported recently that the UFS had decided to remove the word "God" from its slogan and replaced it with "truth".

  • Stefanus - 2011-01-12 21:44


  • Doug - 2011-01-12 21:44

    The word that we are not allowed to say means precisely that. Non believer. So why does it surprise anyone when God is taken out of anything?

      multicon - 2011-01-12 22:06

      I think he is referring to the K word brown_bread. It means Non believer in Arab languages.

      Philosopher - 2011-01-13 06:33

      Well can we please remove the word god from our national anthem.

  • lldoidge - 2011-01-12 22:21

    Ag just get over yourselves. If you are a true believer you wouldn't need God's name all over the place. That should be for you and your God.

      Melony - 2011-01-13 11:00

      They removed God and His name from the government, schools etc. This is a comunist tactic. Before long god will be banned from the country and freedom of religion will be threatened. You may feel it is not important to have his name in lights, but you will see the hatred from the devil emerge out of this small act.

      LJ Graey - 2011-01-13 11:52

      Oh bull Melony. It has preciously little to do with politics. Personally I feel this should have been done years ago. You speak of "Freedom of Religion" but seem blissfully unaware of the concept of "Freedom FROM Religion". For one, this frees atheists such as myself and many, many others from the obligation of having to acknowledge a diety which we do not believe in every time we do something as simple as educating ourselves. If you want to praise god, go to church, but don't expect those who believe in something other than god to simply pretend he exists just to make you feel comfortable. If it were up to me, I'd prefer to have religion separated from all public organisations and activities. Clearly there is a perception that everyone needs to respect believers and their religion, but the believers themselves think they are somehow exempt from affording non-believers the same courtesy.

      Colourblind - 2011-01-13 13:33

      AMEN LJ

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-01-12 22:34

    What does God have to do with education? Get over it, not everyone subscribes to the same set of beliefs.

      Nick van der Leek - 2011-01-12 22:56

      well said Mike

      Kaizo - 2011-01-12 23:40

      I agree with Mike, it's just a slogan anyways, who cares.

      insoucianttroll - 2011-01-13 07:19

      God is also in education, or rather the people who are educating and educated.Please continue to enjoy your denial and ignorance and if you should be called by God, I hope you listen. However, whatever you choose, it is your choice (God given of course).

      JMan - 2011-01-13 11:06

      @ insoucianttroll - you contradict yourself all religious people do over and over and over......and over again. >> it is your choice (God given of course).<< .. of course.

  • Olavin - 2011-01-12 22:43

    Why not just get rid of the slogan? The slogan does not really change the students' problems at ground level.

  • madalanr - 2011-01-12 22:46

    The FF's statement that leaving the word God in the slogan would not influence the academic results, is true, but so is taking it out.

  • JohnBloem - 2011-01-12 22:53

    Im a white guy that grew up in Bloem and I think the word God in a slogan makes no bloody difference to the educational standards. it might only offend other religious groups. What my post is actually about is the FF+. You are out dated and cause more problems for your supporter that you solve. and you only waste bloody votes that could have gone to somebody with influence and not a racial agenda. I think that of you vote for these losers you shouldn't be in University in the first place !

  • AquaticApe - 2011-01-12 22:54

    Who or what is this god thing? After more than half a century on this crazy planet I'm still waiting for some nutter to actually show me even the slightest evidence of anything supernatural! Isn't it amazing how humans have such a capacity for self-deceit! There is only one reason to believe anything and that is EVIDENCE - independantly verifiable evidence. There are three reasons not to blindly believe something - Authority; just because the Pope or Ayatollah or Chief Rabbi say something is true doesn't make it so. Tradition; just because your father or grandfather or great-great grandfather says something is true doesn't make it so and finally Feelings; just because it feels right doesn't make it real. You'd think places of higher 'learning' would not perpetuate myths and legends. Religious mumbo-jumbo has no place in a university.

      insoucianttroll - 2011-01-13 07:21

      you poor deprived soul.

      Lourens - 2011-01-13 08:37

      Just because you don't see something does not make it nonexistent. Have you ever seen an Abronia bigelovii or an Justicia wrightii plant? You will never find it nor see it if you don't want to search for it. If you want to speak to the chairman of the board or the president of a country, does he come to you or do you go to him?

      smiphillip - 2011-01-13 09:58

      @AqaticApe.... Go play glassy or broken mirror.... Take part in some rituals that call evil... Then come make a post and tell us about your experience....

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:08

      @AquaticApe - just because something has not been seen does not mean it does not exist. Take for example the Americas, it existed before it was discovered by Columbus, and many other living things through time as well. So the concept in believing in a God is normal and it is pure form there is nothing wrong with. The problem comes in that there is no pure form and it is constantly corrupted by and for personal agendas "Nothing is more likely to insnare the followers of Christ, than bringing them to meddle with disputes about worldly politics" - Matthew Henry

      AquaticApe - 2011-01-14 14:00

      @cervezab - I suppose the Native Americans living in America never knew it existed until Columbus discovered it? What whacky logic! I suppose that sort of logic is typical of religous nutters.

  • usgrad - 2011-01-12 23:47

    I don't see why you guys have to be so condescending towards each other. If the majority of the students prefer "In God is the Light of Wisdom" to "In Truth is the Light of Wisdom" they should have the right to voice their opinions. Just have them VOTE on a true democratic institution in our democratic country is supposed to.

      Sizwe - 2011-01-13 07:53

      For the University to change the slogan or alter it as it has been doing with the logo, you would require Council approval and that would invariably require voting on the matter.

  • gb2161 - 2011-01-13 04:38

    Get over it. There is no god. The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history. - Robert A. Heinlein

      W - 2011-01-13 06:58

      you are mad. When you die and found out that there was in fact a will be sorry forever. What do you think where do you get your breath from, ( to name one )

      Skeletor1 - 2011-01-13 09:49

      Forgive him (gb2161) Father because he does not know what he is saying.

      smiphillip - 2011-01-13 10:03

      @gb2161.... And I guess you say there is no evil either... No voodoo, witches, satanic rituals... There are many "gods" my friend.... Jews they not sure, "christians" believe in trinity so Jesus is a god to them. Islam - well Allah which means god.... wickers, satanists, hindus, atheists - believe in nothing, but still want to have an opinion etc...etc...etc..

      Will2.0 - 2011-01-13 10:07

      the atmosphere?

      mrkold1 - 2011-01-13 12:53

      @smiphillip - you are truly repugnant.Hindus do believe in GOD. for you the idiot ever heard of google : type in the search block type hindu and god .... Seems like you are from the lower end of the gene pool!!!!!

  • Philosopher - 2011-01-13 06:29

    That is the most important word to remove from education, next we must remove this party clinging to age old beliefs.

      W - 2011-01-13 06:57

      you are mad.

      insoucianttroll - 2011-01-13 07:22

      @avatar - not mad, sad.

      CapeBBA - 2011-01-13 12:16

      Are we a Christian country? If so, why do we have to succumb to trying to make other people happy? Today's society is far too wishy washy, no one makes a stand for any one thing. Look what happened in the UK regarding religion. Other countries we visit, we have to adhere to their rules. In this country we seem to adhere to everyone elses rules. Regardless of what religion there has to be a definitive teaching to our kids as they don't seem to be getting taught morals, respect discipline etc. Just remeber it starts with one small thing. keep your eyes and ears alert.

      mrkold1 - 2011-01-13 12:57

      @ CapeBBA Ever heard of the constitution ? we are all entitled to live by our won beliefs and religions. Christianity is not the be all to end all . seems like you an SIMPHILLIP are swimming in the same gene pool

  • W - 2011-01-13 06:55

    We contribute to the university every month - without having any body studying there. If this is what they do, i will withdrawn my contribution.

  • Retha - 2011-01-13 07:20

    To all of you who think there is no God I can only say "Wake up". If you truly think there is no such thing as a spiritual realm "Wake up". If you truly think that faith removes intelligence then you were not intelligent to start with. The definition of true faith has got nothing to do with feelings, tradition or whatever you are trying to blame. Taking God out of a slogan means the removal of every fibre of your morals and the start of giving in to powers at work at ground level to destroy something that has been good for many generations and could be unless we stop what is REALLY wrong there.

      cek.king - 2011-01-13 08:00

      I agree. It was the intention of God in His wisdom that the world did not get to know the truth through education and science. Thus, God decided in His goodness that through preaching which is illogical to the world, to save those that believe it.

  • Retha - 2011-01-13 07:29

    To those of you who think there is no God - Wake up To those of you who think there is no spiritual realm - Wake up To those that think that faith is the death of intelligence - you probably did not have any to start of with The definition of true faith has got nothing to do with feelings, tradition or whatsoever - faith is at the core of you innermost human being. If you do not believe in anything - why would you even open a tap if you do not 'believe' that water is gonna come out of it, huh?? The removal of the word GOD from your slogan does mean the direct removal of every fibre of your beliefs and moral values. Removing it directly constitutes giving in to the powers starting at ground level to destroy something that is good. Cutting God out of your life is the start of the fragmentation of all that is good.

      James - 2011-01-13 08:05

      You do not need god for a moral backbone, Retha. A typical side effect of the religious mind, intolerance. - 2011-01-13 13:17

      Retha i am awake it is you that need to wake up from your fantasy world. Humans do not need their GODS to be good. In fact there were more wars in this world between religions, with accompanying horror acts than any other wars. Roman Catholics supported Hitler and in South Africa the NG kerk and others supported apartheid.

  • James - 2011-01-13 07:53

    Who really cares? If you believe in god, i highly doubt this is going to have any effect on your beliefs.

      Colourblind - 2011-01-13 13:37

      They are insecure and a large majority of them suffer from a massive persecution complex! Now, what did I win?

  • pauljansevan - 2011-01-13 08:06

    god has forgiven the university, why can't you

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:12


  • Fredster69 - 2011-01-13 08:11

    ...and we all wonder why the entire world is in a mess. Take God out of it and you WILL have chaos...!!!!

      James - 2011-01-13 08:19

      If that's an argument, i am a fish.

      Will2.0 - 2011-01-13 10:30

      But the majority of the world IS religious.

      James - 2011-01-14 09:33

      Haha Will2.0, well said. The world as we see it today, has been largely effected by religion. Change? The time is now

  • kylespobox - 2011-01-13 08:25

    religion creates goodwill concience truth positivity.what does nothing create...?

      betelanus - 2011-01-13 08:45

      No it creates division, hate, murder, genocide. Human Nature Creates Goodwill

      betelanus - 2011-01-13 08:49

      No It creates Division, Murder, Hate & genocide. Human Nature Creates Goodwill

      betelanus - 2011-01-13 08:54

      No religion Creates Division, Hate and Genocide

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:23

      @James - religion does not create, it controls. Your argument should be god creates goodwill.. strange that you give religion credit above god and jesus

      JMan - 2011-01-13 11:09 forgot wars,genocide and murder.

  • boepensmanvangraan - 2011-01-13 08:28

    FF+ time to join the DA already. They do make a point here

  • Limpopoist - 2011-01-13 08:32

    Thus the problem of opposition party ,you always oppose everything even if not necessary..

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:25

      @Limpopoist - this is not about opposing politics, they act illogical because there belief asks of them to believe children, and now they act like children too

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:38

      ^ like

      Colourblind - 2011-01-13 13:39

      The FF+ have the religious bunch as a big chuck of their support base. I don't blame them for pandering to their constituents - it makes political sense to do so, regardless of how stupid the issue actually is.

  • horst.o.muller - 2011-01-13 08:41

    Well! If you ask me, there is much more meaning in "In Truth is the Light of Wisdom", truth is what we should be seeking in our lives. That previous phrase "In God is the Light of Wisdom" is totally meaningless and does not help me in my studies of chemistry, biology, accountancy etc. In theses fields we want truth, not beliefs.

      123online123 - 2011-01-13 09:03

      So well said! God is an imaginary friend for adults anyway.

  • betelanus - 2011-01-13 08:44

    There is more evidence for aliens than GOD, Almost everything can be logically be proven. Taking out the Word GOD doesn't change a thing

  • themantshepo - 2011-01-13 09:22

    perhaps the eastr bunny goes to this university as well???

  • Schitzo - 2011-01-13 09:44

    "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." John 14:6 Stop worrying. The slogan hasn't really changed at all.

      Amun Ra - 2011-01-13 10:23

      I never new,when did he say that? And please don't tell me it said so in the blable

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 10:25

      thanks Schitzo

  • thenutsa - 2011-01-13 09:48

    AAAHHH!!!!....... I just LOVE this stupid debate!

  • King Dean - 2011-01-13 09:50

    Good. It should be removed from everything.

      Lloyd6312 - 2011-01-13 10:14

      Here here!!!

  • truthseeker - 2011-01-13 11:04

    @cervezab. america was discovered by columbus the same way sandton was discovered by me. i went there on day and found other people going about their business.

      cervezab - 2011-01-13 12:10

      And the same way I discovered a new flavour yogurt in the store the other day, and "apparently" that is the same heaven will be discovered according to some, who am I to disagree on something that does not affect me. The point I tried to make is to not judge people's beliefs but their actions, but I expect people with beliefs to give that same courtesy to people with different beliefs or non-beliefs

  • - 2011-01-13 13:04

    Well done UFS it will take ages but eventually humankind will be rid of this corruption and spiderweb of the free mind called religion. I especially feel sorry for the kids in most predominant Afrikaans schools, their corruption starts at an early age when they will believe anything their peers teach sad..what a waste of time and energy.

      AquaticApe - 2011-01-14 14:07

      "Give them to me young enough and they'll be mine for life" - is the reason for Sunday Schools, Madressas etc. God never created Man, Man created God!

  • Magistra - 2011-01-28 22:01

    Yale's slogan is "lux et veritas", which is much closer to the new slogan, is it not? The FF Plus might be unhappy with the new slogan, I am unhappy with people and organizations who make sweeping statements without even getting their facts right!

  • Magistra - 2011-01-28 22:05

    Yale's slogan is "lux et veritas", which is much closer to the new slogan, is it not? The FF Plus might be unhappy with the new slogan, I am unhappy with people and organizations who make sweeping statements without even getting their facts right!

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