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Gauteng tolls on hold

2011-02-22 16:04

Johannesburg - Tariffs Gazetted for the tolling of Gauteng highways will be suspended until further notice, Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele said on Tuesday.

A panel of experts would be appointed to explore options in order to reduce the toll burden on road users, he told reporters in Kempton Park.

It comes after a meeting with Gauteng Premier Nomvula Mokonyane.

A panel of experts, made up of representatives from the transport department, the SA National Roads Agency Limited and the Gauteng government, will also review the financial model on which the R20bn transaction was based.

"The premier and I agree on the principle of tolling. Government reiterates its commitment to fully honouring the terms of the loan agreement for this transaction," said Ndebele.

"We will be engaging with the investors to keep them in the loop and assure them that we remain fully committed to the repayment of the R20bn loan."

Mokonyane said it would be unfair to say that government took long before re-acting to concerns.

A structured process of consultation and one for input from the public on the cost structure and financial model will soon be announced.

"South Africans can be best assured that government is doing everything possible to resolve this matter in a manner that will be in the best interest of the commuter, road user and the state for future development and management of our road infrastructure in the country," Mokonyane said.

Consultations would at most take a month, before the rolling out of the toll system in June.

"We need to give commuters options," she said.

Tempers flared after it was announced that in June it will cost 66c/km at the 42 electronic toll gates erected on the N1, N3, N12, N17, R21 and R24.

The tolls cover a distance of about 185km.

Concern was raised by businesses, labour and political parties, about the effect toll fees will have on the poor, the economy and alternative routes.

Comments
  • Jan - 2011-02-22 16:08

    And now they make as if they are the heroes. They signed the deal in teh first place.

      Jan - 2011-02-22 16:08

      I assume the tarrifs will now be announced after the election

      Thor - 2011-02-22 16:12

      Spot on Jan. they will have elections 1st.

      DakaloM - 2011-02-22 16:29

      hahahahahaha! u right Jan. they making a fool of us. Pity I wont Vote for them. nxxxxxxx

      Sedick - 2011-02-22 17:51

      The merits and cost of the Toll System should have been part of the conceptual stage, well before approval of the project. That is how it works in the real world. Imagine a private enterprise spending R20Bn of their shareholders money, before even knowing the return, or what they will charge for the product, or even if the potential customers will be able to afford said product, or even want said product.......they would be out of business.....bunch of idiots, but then again, it is not their money, only the backhanders become theirs....

  • Faahim - 2011-02-22 16:11

    These pricks are trying to exploit us hard working citizens, i do 130 kms daily. Forcing this down our throats is ridiculous, DAYLIGHT ROBBERY!!

      Han Solo - 2011-02-22 16:14

      More like 'Highway robbery'.

      AJ - 2011-02-23 07:02

      @Faahim - nevermind daylight robbery, you'll get robbed at night too. 24 hours pilfering system in place. When you feel a hand slip into your pants pocket on the freeway, relax, it's just the ANC going for your wallet. Useless idiots.

  • reliverevilo - 2011-02-22 16:12

    YES!!!! they should can the whole darn project

      nic - 2011-02-22 18:24

      Dont agree. Everywhere you go (in 1st world countries) there are toll roads. Not only that, there are "congestion zones" in the large city centres where they charge you tax if you drive into these areas. This is all done to reduce the amount of cars on the roads and to force people to use the public transport. They spent billions on the Gautrain and people should use it. What I have against the toll roads is that, yes, it is very expensive and to date no one could give a reasonable explanation as to how they got to that figure. As with everything, If they are completely transparent and can say how they get to the cent/km value, people will be more accommodating. Hell, they will even support it. Bottom line. It would appear that the folk in charge thought this is another "get rich quick" scheme for those with cozy seats on the gravy train. We all want the infrastructure in the country to be improved, not so?? Bottom line is, people are always scared of change. This is a change but IMHO this is a good one.

      Staffinity - 2011-02-22 18:59

      agree with you but not with "nic". nic you forget that we dont have the infrastructure and transport systems of the first world. we have 1st world toll systems in a third world country and thats the big hoohaa.

      Peter - 2011-02-22 21:02

      @Nic. i agree with you we all want the change and we do, what is different in SA is that there is no alternativeShow me proper public transport from mose citizens homes to their places of work and then I will agree to these sorts of tolls. The prices were sucked out of their thumbs to ensure that all parties make a fortune and that the ANC coffers will be swelled for the next election. Roll on Egypt, we I have all the hope that we will see a New South Africa in the next few years.

      nic - 2011-02-22 23:22

      @Peter + Staffinity I agree with you both. The public transport systems are currently not in place and therefore the toll road fees should reflect that. Catch 22 here is: If they do not generate money from the Gautrain and Gautrain busses, it is going to die in a few years time and then what?? We will have twice as many cars on our already saturated highways with little or no room for expansion. You cannot indefinitely add lanes to highways to cater for more traffic. Eventually it is just going to move the bottle necks elsewhere... (I believe we are at that stage already) Hence my argument that the current proposed toll fees are excessive (putting it mildly) If the Gautrain is a huge success it will be expanded like the subway systems abroad. Yes, I know it will take time and the people in charge must respect that. But not doing anything now will have a far bigger negative impact in the long run.

      AJ - 2011-02-23 07:07

      @nic, my problem is that if they want to get people out of cars and onto Gautrain for example, then the public transport must be priced very advantageously compared to cars, to really make it attractive for citizens to forego the vehicle. Unfortunately, the pricing of the public transport is deliberately done almost equivalently with operating your own vehicle and as such the uptake will not be significant. In summary the govt needs to stop treating Gautrain and other initiatives as money making ventures but rather as public transport ventures, even if this means charging much less.

      nic - 2011-02-23 07:35

      @AJ Agreed. Takes me back to my first comment. If toll fees and public transport systems are reasonably priced, well managed and maintained, people will support it.

      AJ - 2011-02-23 11:21

      @nic - absolutely, but it may mean the govt sacrificing profits to 'buy' attitude changes in commuters. I dont see that approach coming from govt hence my view that is about eking more money from the middle class than encouraging a more beneficial commute..

      watermer - 2011-02-23 11:45

      The real problem is that there is not a workable public transport system in place. Try getting from the West Rand to Rivonia. Don't talk about the taxis; they are death traps driven by kamikaze pilots.

  • Thor - 2011-02-22 16:13

    All fair and well but while all this is going on the spitefull bastarts keep the speed limit at 80.

  • Jrama - 2011-02-22 16:14

    Ja Sbu, how are you going to pay back the loan.what about the staff you have employed, who will be paying them?

  • mjd.jhb - 2011-02-22 16:14

    I don't take highways as it is, and now I definitely won't. To hell with this ANC! So what will happen now, everyone will avoid the newly renovated highways and instead fill the backroads, so that the suburban roads will decay even further...

  • Maki - 2011-02-22 16:15

    The ANC Listens to the People !

      Ilonke - 2011-02-22 16:20

      BWHAHAHAHA! Sucker, they are just delaying this, so that you can vote for them, after that they will rip out your pocket for another election party! So typical!

      POLLENYS - 2011-02-22 16:21

      So what about job creation and service delivery then? This whole exercise would never have happened had they not squandered the petrol tax meant for roads. Please engage your brain.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-02-22 16:27

      No they don't brother, and that's the whole problem ... This is simply a knee-jerk reaction. You will see after they have gathered our votes again.

      Rod - 2011-02-22 16:28

      Yeah right. The people clearly dont want houses, schools, healthcare,crime control or justice. Thats why the ANC no longer provides these basic needs. The people have spoken !!!!!

      Dougalan - 2011-02-22 16:46

      It's a pity that the ANC don't listen to the people who actually pay for South Africa to run (plus all those fatcat ANC salaries). Only 2.5% (yes, just two point five percent) of SA's population actually PAY income tax (which pays over one-third of our budget - 35%.) Then these same people pay most of Company Tax and a lot of the VAT. Yet they are NOT the people who the government listens to - otherwise a LOT of changes would be made in SA's government. It's about time the ANC listened to the people who actually pay their wages.

      Bongani Buth - 2011-02-22 17:09

      Bull$h*t Bru! All that the ANC listens to, is the sounds of their nice BMW's and Mercs! The ANC is just puting this toll tarrif off as an Election ploy! I'm so sick with our government, and if they don't start acting responsibly, the South African people will retaliate!!! Its up to us to vote against the ANC so that we can fix the mess they created! we must drive out this ANC scum!!! Pansi ANC Pansi!!!

  • Goose - 2011-02-22 16:18

    The ANC see the protests in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Morocco and others and know that they run a very serious risk of starting an uprising here. Amazing listening to these ANC TURDS on the radio pretend they had nothing to do with this project and yet it could not have gone ahead without them! Now Cele guilty too of signing that half billion rand lease fraudulently too....Yet again proof that there is not one single honest, accountable ANC official who has any integrity. All a bunch of lying, thieving B@st@rds!

      Rainbow1 - 2011-02-22 16:23

      Agreed. And this new announcement is nothing but an election ploy. Wait till the electons are behid us, and the tolls will be back.

  • Stuart - 2011-02-22 16:18

    to think they have wasted all this money setting up the infrastructure. Absolutely no forsight with these chops. Money could have been used better else where.

  • BRONZE - 2011-02-22 16:21

    This was bound to happen. Lack of proper consultation results in such crazy things. I sincerely hope they will can the whole thing period. Sbu must concentrate on getting other usefull projects up and running instead of bullshitting us. What else has he done since he took over? Him and his lovely DG George?

  • MSMGathoo - 2011-02-22 16:22

    Shame. Poor Mary Antoinette, sorry, I mean Sibusiso Ndebele. No one wants his cake. they just want food!!

  • Great-Dane4 - 2011-02-22 16:24

    Another world class AFRICAN city .....

      Thandi - 2011-02-22 17:47

      Which converted into plain english means just another shithole!

  • k1dbl4ck - 2011-02-22 16:26

    I have gone through 3 windscreens, two tyre replacements and have a few chips and scratches from "construction" debris. And now I have to pay for this!? I will start paying when my outstanding toll fees equals the money spent to fix my car.

  • colin langley - 2011-02-22 16:26

    ANC voterS = SUCKERS!!!!...lolololololol

  • kalabafazi@24.com - 2011-02-22 16:27

    Why spend the R20 bn then consult with the members of the public and business. Surely one consults first and then forks out the cash. Is this heading for another white elephant project. Maybe the over head "gates" can be used to hang poloitical party boards up on.

      Smaal - 2011-02-23 12:18

      Shouldn’t they then technically be called “black elephants” or “ANC elephants”?

  • observing - 2011-02-22 16:29

    We must all rise up against the ANC Government.

  • DakaloM - 2011-02-22 16:30

    Scrap the whole system. we already paying alot, considering tax on petrol, car licences renewals, normal income tax etc. use that money to repay ur debts instead.

      lldoidge - 2011-02-22 20:40

      And driver's licence renewals that have gone up to R140.00

      Teddy20 - 2011-02-22 23:45

      Oh please, stop complaining, go to a 1st world country and see what you pay for Car Tax, Licences, petrol etc.... lldoige...In the UK Car tax for a 1.4 Vehichle is over a R1000,00 a year...and don't say the roads are better, they are not. I agree however the Tolls are too high, however I do also agree the new Motorways are great so 'some' toll is required, however NOT the rate they are asking.... And I do not live in SA so it doesn't affect me but I am a South African and yes I read these columns because I have family and I care what happens in SA. And I also believe this is a ploy to capture votes... once all is done... I hope they will still listen to the masses that it will cripple... we will see..

      Zangetsu - 2011-02-23 07:59

      @Teddy20. if you dont live in SA how do you know that the new Highways are great????? you left this country so you gave up your ability to comment on the going ons of the country. go shove your head up your ASS. you pommi prick.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-02-23 12:15

      Zanfetsu. I have lived in the uk and live in SA. Teddy is a 100% correct. Also people need to differentiate between sanral and JHB road agency...our locals roads are third world, our national roads are good compared to the 1st worlds......anyway we have sent a clear message to foreign investors.

  • za101 - 2011-02-22 16:30

    people power ...........:) they saw what is happening in tunisa, libya, egypt, bahrain and saw the light

      Zangetsu - 2011-02-23 08:00

      no they didnt. its an election ploy. and if people fall for it then they are morons

      Milo29 - 2011-02-23 12:06

      What light? Zuma says Egypt will NEVER happens in this country. Best he wakes up and smells the roses. Oh but I forget....... the ANC will rule again? Why? Because there are too many dumb ass stupidos in this country to hope for somthing else. Is it not time to give someone else a chance to fix this lovely country? The ANC has screwed it up, wht chance they can fix it? They not good at fixing, only breaking down and getting rich.

  • DakaloM - 2011-02-22 16:31

    I think i might consider to relocate to Durbs or CapeTown.

      Rob - 2011-02-22 17:00

      Busy doing that as we speak...

      Kenko - 2011-02-23 12:49

      I bet that in time, their greed will find you there too. There is no escaping them.

  • Dave - 2011-02-22 16:32

    You are right Jan, make like they the heroes and make everyone happy before the elections, they are so transparent its scary!! the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.....

  • AcesHigh - 2011-02-22 16:34

    Talk about trying to "buy their votes"! Just watch, there will be no change in the toll tariffs after the elections.

  • za101 - 2011-02-22 16:37

    the people will make a gadaffi of Nomvula Mokonyane.if the toll is ever reisntated. wake up south africans and gautengers. this is an election plot to ensure the anc gets more than 50% of the vote in municipal elections. gadaffi is not yet gone the toll roads are not gone yet vote for opposition parties at municpal elections in april/may

  • Sh@rks Fever - 2011-02-22 16:37

    Why Why Why. Imagine giving R1 million to 2000 up and coming entrepeneurs in this country. How many jobs would that have created. We are already paying for the roads on fuel tax etc. We are getting to a point where we need Robin Hood.

  • Kirsty - 2011-02-22 16:38

    At last some sanity! Albeit, as an afterthought

  • za101 - 2011-02-22 16:39

    this is an election ploy so that the anc can win the gauteng municipal elctions. then after the elections they will bring back the tolls gadaffi has not left the country yet. we need to ensure the anc dont get more than 50% of vote at municpal elctions in gauteng

  • haapluuc - 2011-02-22 16:39

    I'm glad the Minister has decided to suspend the tolls. Frankly, I think the real reasons for this decision are: the system will not be ready on time, and the ANC will wait till after the elections to implement the tariffs. I don't trust the ANC at all; they have rarely acted in the best interests of the normal man on the street. It is really sad that our government does not first allow public input and consultation before implementing systems (as should be the process in a real democracy); it would save so much stress and energy. Anyway, I guess it's a step in the right direction. Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth (no matter how diseased and old we may think it to be)!

  • za101 - 2011-02-22 16:41

    this is an election ploy so that the anc can win the gauteng municipal elctions. then after the elections they will bring back the tolls gadaffi has not left the country yet. we need to ensure the anc dont get more than 50% of vote at municpal elctions in gauteng

  • jabustone - 2011-02-22 16:41

    It now shows that if one of our own complain we listen. These guys are really clueless (that is our government)

  • nic69ers - 2011-02-22 16:44

    I hate these goddam theives running our country acting like heroes but really they are clowns in shiney suits who just F-up everything and if it doesnt work out well you know what it gets blamed on!

  • Smindlo - 2011-02-22 16:47

    electioneering..did I hear someone say elections are a mere two months away? come June this s@hit system will be implemented, just ask the taxi drivers what happened with Rea Vaya!!!

      nic - 2011-02-22 23:54

      How is Rea Vaya a bad thing?? Am I misunderstanding your point?

      bomb916 - 2011-02-23 13:14

      @ Nic, im sure, i might be mistaken, but Zuma talk them taxi's if they voted ANC the Rea Vaya system would be done away with.

      bomb916 - 2011-02-23 13:17

      typo, :-) sorry, "but when Zuma spoke to the Taxi blokes, he said vote ANC and he would scrap the Rea Vaya".

  • donald.archer - 2011-02-22 16:50

    The pushed the tolls up to 66c/Km so that they can go back to 50c/km and sat they bargained for it, while it is what they wanted from the beginning. They are all a bunch of crooks! I still have a feeling that some people are going to be double charged, via e-tag, and via their number plate.

  • Buoyancy - 2011-02-22 16:50

    Bloody idiots! Perhaps "a structured process of consultation" should have been conducted BEFORE spending ZAR 20 billion and proceding with construction? When did it become so easy to spend so much money?

      R.Suppards - 2011-02-22 17:33

      Spending other people's money is the easiest thing in the world. No accountability, no transparancy, typical ANC behaviour

      L_Savage - 2011-02-22 17:51

      Dude, you have had 3 years to protest against this. Sanral haven't exactly been upgrading hundreds of kilometers of freeway in secret. They have also been advertising for years about the coming toll fees. The freeways had already been suffering under inadequate maintenance and were severely overburdened because of a lack of government/provincial funding availability. So what on earth did you expect? Roads don't build or maintain themselves for free, and if you believe there was any real alternative to spending the R20bn then I say you are the "bloody idiot". I am not saying the tolls were set at a reasonable rate, far from it, but I am not stupid/naive enough to believe that any of this was ever going to be free either. You can't have your cake and eat it mate (and please don't even try to insult my intelligence by arguing that this upgrade was unnecessary - if anything it is long overdue). Besides, if you really don't want to have to bear any of the burden of paying any tolls, then take alternative routes or the public transport. Having used the N1 to commute to work for the last 10 years, I, for one, will be happy to pay a "fair" price (66c/km is however far from fair) to use a good, well maintained freeway system. I have no time for people who want to freeload, or who expect the rest of us to use a delapidated inadequate freeway system just because they lack the vision to see what is necessary.

      nic - 2011-02-22 23:49

      @L_Savage Couldn't agree more. I'd like to add: If the revenue generated here is not mismanaged, this will lead to improvements/upgrades elsewhere. Also, if people start using public transport more and the companies managing it starts generating decent revenue, the Gautrain and bus routes will be expanded, leading to a better public transport system. If you have not used the Gautrain I suggest you make the effort and go for a ride. It is top notch. If I lived in Pretoria/Midrand and work in Sandton/Rosebank area, I for one would not mind at all to go to work like that everyday. In fact, I would prefer it...

      AJ - 2011-02-23 11:26

      @L_Savage - thing is no-one is freeloading, the money for this HAS been paid over by commuters, largely been wasted and we are being charged twice using a toll system.

      Milo29 - 2011-02-23 12:11

      @ L_ Savage. Are you the minister or in cahoots? What public transport?

  • mccarthyga - 2011-02-22 16:51

    Well they thought they could get away with the greatest cash-in-transit heist in the history of South Africa. Now that there is noise now they are trying to save the situation. I say stuff them we don't pay, they wanted to take the loan let the ANC pay it back, and not out of the government coffers. You cannot make a quick buck off the blood and sweat of the population. We have been paying for year on taxes for the upgrades that were done we cannot be expected to pay again to line the official's pocket and I sure as hell am not giving my money to some opportunistic Austrian vulture.

  • donald.archer - 2011-02-22 16:54

    The pushed the tolls up to 66c/Km so that they can go back to 50c/km and sat they bargained for it, while it is what they wanted from the beginning. They are all a bunch of crooks! I still have a feeling that some people are going to be double charged, via e-tag, and via their number plate.

  • bashphil - 2011-02-22 16:54

    "re-acted"?? Who writes these articles? The first time they heard complains they acted out a skiet pretending not to know what everyone was talking about. The second time they heard the complaints, they re-acted the same skiet! :p

  • donald.archer - 2011-02-22 16:56

    The pushed the tolls up to 66c/Km so that they can go back to 50c/km and sat they bargained for it, while it is what they wanted from the beginning. They are all a bunch of crooks! I still have a feeling that some people are going to be double charged, via e-tag, and via their number plate.

  • WhoGivesAshi - 2011-02-22 16:56

    ANC is just doing this for the elections, after they get re-elected they will put it in place again. Screw them.

  • donald.archer - 2011-02-22 16:57

    The pushed the tolls up to 66c/Km so that they can go back to 50c/km and sat they bargained for it, while it is what they wanted from the beginning. They are all a bunch of crooks! I still have a feeling that some people are going to be double charged, via e-tag, and via their number plate.

  • Dave - 2011-02-22 16:58

    Probably true, BUT, I think for the first time people have seen what opposition to something can achieve, and hopefully we can all stick together when round 2 arrives and derail that as well...its a hope!

      Milo29 - 2011-02-23 12:15

      Hear hear.... I just hope the masses who will suffer the most, decide that the ANC led government is NOT TO BE TRUSTED.

  • Nintendo - 2011-02-22 17:00

    tolls are are norm in the rest of the world you keep on referring to as a benchmark... the strategy is simple let the noise die down and make them pay anyway...and pay we shall... the people shall be governed!!

      Dave - 2011-02-22 17:25

      Yes and in shoving that fact in our faces, they dont disclose the cost per km on these overseas tollroads, I can bet one helluve lot less

  • Buoyancy - 2011-02-22 17:05

    Bloody idiots! Perhaps "a structured process of consultation" should have been conducted BEFORE spending ZAR 20 billion and proceding with construction? When did it become so easy to spend so much money?

  • melissalarajones - 2011-02-22 17:13

    "A panel of experts will be appointed.........." So can we deduce that the people who worked this all out initially were..... well....... idiots??

      Sedick - 2011-02-22 17:54

      yes.......and so will be the "panel of Experts"........they will be handpicked by the ANC, say what the ANC wants them to say.....

      Milo29 - 2011-02-23 12:16

      Sorry..........no experts in this country. Look at the last 17 years? What hve all the "experts" achieved? How to get rich quick?

  • n s - 2011-02-22 17:23

    don't get your hopes up, they're just waiting for the elections to pass

  • pieterlou83 - 2011-02-22 17:26

    "Consultations would at most take a month, before the rolling out of the toll system in June" this sentence still seems to me like they are still planning on rolling it out... I see the whole Eskom thing all over again, instead of it being 66c/km it will be 55c/km, wow huge saving.... I travel more than 90km a day monday to friday and more than 100km on the weekends, it is going to kill me financially, planning on rather buying a bike and using the back roads, will save me the toll fees and save on petrol and also the added benefit of looking cool, ha ha ha ha

      bomb916 - 2011-02-23 13:27

      BMW R 1200GS all the way! best traffic buster!

  • alltainted - 2011-02-22 17:26

    On hold ......... until just after the municipal elections, when they'll suddenly discover that nothing can be done about the 66c/km tariff.

  • L_Savage - 2011-02-22 17:29

    I doubt my opinion will be popular but most of the comments here are seriously ridiculous. Yes, Sanral, the provincial government and the dept of transport messed up. But at least they are now doing the right thing. Tollfees are necessary. Everyone has been aware of this for years, that it was coming and it was a consequence of the freeway upgrade. Our choice was to be stuck with a deteriorating highway that would be even more congested. As one person pointed out, the international model is to toll freeways, so doing so here is not inherently an issue. The big issue was the magnitude of the tolls. No one was ever going to swallow the bitter pill of 66c/km even with the various discounts. Whether this was their intentional strategy to get us to swallow a smaller (but still unreasonable) pricetag is debatable. Whether the final fee structure will be reasonable is indeterminate. For now however, I reckon give credit where credit is due. Yes these guys made a major PR blunder, but this latest decision is the right one. There is no point in condemning anyone just yet for further decisions that have not yet been announced. Its not constructive and certainly won't help our (the man on the street) plight. So from me to S'bu and Nomvula: Thanks guys. I appreciate it. I hope in the end you can deliver a reasonable solution for us (and prove the cynics wrong). Cheers

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-02-23 12:21

      i agree with you 100%. Perhaps the 66c/km was an over estimations so that when they reduce it to a 50c/km or less people become more willing to swallow the pill. Progress comes at a cost, and with so few taxes pay..the cost will always be higher for those few individuals

      Milo29 - 2011-02-23 12:25

      Running for office are you?

  • Dr. No - 2011-02-22 17:38

    Suspended till after the elections, then will go up to R1/km because of costly delays.

  • Kevin - 2011-02-22 17:40

    The next time you hear an SA politician use the word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about whether you wanted the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money. A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its press releases. A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959. B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive. C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age. D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet. E. A billion Rand ago was only 27 hours and 12 minutes at the rate our SA government is spending it. Now try and get your head around R20bn!!!

  • hb7of9 - 2011-02-22 17:55

    brainless twats!

  • herman.huyser - 2011-02-22 18:03

    What a farce! We are taxed (as part of the fuel price). Where should this tax be going too? Maintaining and expanding the road network. Has this been done? No, the money was used for other unscrupulous and squanderous expenses. Now tax the road user even more by way of toll fees. In who's thcik wallet does the toll fees end up? More than 60% of the gauteng toll fees will end up in foreign hands! (sick "investors") Yeah right? Again foreigners and the goverment getting more rich out of our pockets! Like the old Afrikaans saying goes "In Transvaal (read Gauteng), you will sh*t and pay. Well what happens if you can't sh*t any more?