Scrap miner ultimatum, Lonmin asked

2012-08-20 22:30

Rustenburg - The ultimatum issued to striking Lonmin workers will not be effected this week, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Monday.

"The president [Jacob Zuma] has declared this week as a mourning week. We want all, including mine bosses, to respect this," he told reporters in Rustenburg.

He said the government wanted an agreement with the mine on the issue.

The platinum mining company issued an ultimatum on Monday requiring all workers to report for work by 07:00 on Tuesday, or face disciplinary action.

Trade unions, which initially supported the deadline, have since thrown their weight behind the call for the ultimatum not to be enforced.

Mthethwa was part of a ministerial committee appointed to help the families of the miners killed and injured on Thursday when police opened fire on protesters.

The violent confrontation left 34 dead and 78 injured.

Another 260 were arrested. They appeared in the Ga-Rankuwa Magistrate's Court on charges of public violence on Monday and were denied bail. The case was postponed until 27 August for further investigation.

Mthethwa said the police would remain in the area until there was stability.

Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi said six bodies had not yet been identified.

"It is not an easy task to identify bodies. We believe in the next 24 hours this will change."

Some families could not find their relatives at the local mortuary.

"We should understand that some people were arrested and others injured."

The ministerial committee would spend a week in Rustenburg, helping families with death certificates and providing psycho-social support.

The committee would facilitate the payment of benefits to affected families. It intended engaging the services of the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration to help resolve labour disputes at Lonmin.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-08-20 22:36

    What, someone should tell the government that they do not own the mines (yet) and have no right prescribing to them (yet)! The cheek!

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-20 23:58

      Some top government members are part owners of many mines, Sharon, even trade union leaders have shares in the Lonmin mine.

      lownabester - 2012-08-21 00:33

      They think they do, we need working miners, we need money, we need to restore faith the mine owners.

      grootrot.vanzyl - 2012-08-21 03:58

      Can we scrap the Cabinets and all the ANC's MPs salaries as well as the members of SADTU and forego paying tax as well?

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-21 05:44

      Everyone is just scrambling for a sustainable position when the dust settles. Its all politics and spin. Politicians are creepy creatures that will use any situation to benefit themselves...

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-21 06:37

      Thst mine is responsible for the disaster that happened, and life comes first in South Africa, the government is responsible for human lives

  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-20 22:43

    And has anybody considered, whilst the mine is not in 100% operation, they lose money. When the mines lose money, people lose money. Dear heavens when will they ever learn!!!!!!

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-21 00:00

      A tight squeeze on the commodity will increase prices and correct any shortfall, but losses, don't be fooled.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-21 02:52

      Glen, all due respect,one mine is not going to put any squeeze on the commodity, it is only going to put a squeeze on the poor people still employed by the mine. Which in turn has its own ugly ripple effect.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-21 07:49

      The people that will lose money are the ones striking as the no work, no pay rule applies here. The bosses will still get paid, so they don't lose. The price of platinum will go up anyway, so it will help, but demand is low at the moment due to whats happening in the Eurozone crisis etc.The striking employees are not helping themselves and are very badly advised.

  • sandra.j.rennie - 2012-08-20 22:47

    And just who is the President to dictate to Lonmin. Is this not a private owned Company? He has a bloody nerve, hadn't the guts to get to Marikana before he left the country ! A whole week of mourning for 34 people - for heaven's sake what about the loss of income for the mine? God forbid he makes a second term ! He needs to be shoved out and quick.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-21 00:06

      What does it matter to you, do you have shares in the mine, are you a owner there. What does it matter to you personally if the mine is closed or open. Are you one of the few who actually truly benefit from the vast mining wealth in South Africa or are you like many just blowing farts into the wind because you believe you benefit from the mine because that is what you are told.

      abram.spamers - 2012-08-21 01:42

      Glen it matters because if this was your or my business it means that the government can take away your right to manage it. I don't know any of the people involved in this situation per say; but the way this is being handled sets a precedent in our country for our president to take power where he should have none.

      carpejugulim - 2012-08-21 06:21

      What about a week of mourning for the 10 people that were killed the week before? The 2 policemen that were hacked to death, the 2 security guards that were burned to death and the others too? Or don't those people count?

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-21 07:54

      @Glen, yes it matters to me. If these guys are out of a job, then unemployment rockets and so will crime.People will resort to crime to feed their families, so yes it matters to us all that this mine stays open.Also it will slow down our economy as people will have less to spend. So this is serious stuff.But the sad part is that the origin of the protests had nothing to do with the mine but rather union turf war.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-21 15:42

      @ abram, at the moment South African's benifit very little from the multinationals who mine here, even though the minerals are our national wealth. @ carp, I am glad it matter to you that people died, it matters to me to, but the deal here is Lonmin insistence to think they can continue to demand business as usual, on the double, after their management is implicated in the worst labour dispute and action this century. Do we allow the deaths just to wash over without even a glance, no my dear, things will have to change at Lonmin. @ Jo..if the miners had their correct and fair due, and were not exploited as they are their children would have a better future ensuring greater wealth for all, better stability and less crime in our country, because there would be less need. @dnx...yes we all are idiots because we continue to believe that the only way to do things is how it has always been done, instead of inventing a new better way for South Africa to maximize the value of the mineral wealth which up to now remains a curse on our society instead of being a blessing.

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-08-20 23:41

    l have never in my life see a person work and morn at the same time, unless that person is under oppression.

      richard.lemmer1 - 2012-08-21 07:17

      They did not work before they decided to mourn either !!!!!

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-08-21 00:31

    Yes it is painful but the truth is my fellow African make a big mistake to attack the Men in Blue.Politicians now get political score to fight the ANC

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-08-21 00:32

    Yes it is painful but the truth is my fellow African make a big mistake to attack the Men in Blue.Politicians now get political score to fight the ANC

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-08-21 00:32

    Yes it is painful but the truth is my fellow African make a big mistake to attack the Men in Blue.Politicians now get political score to fight the ANC

  • christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-21 03:19

    And they want to nationalize the mines hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

      Gerald Jordaan - 2012-08-21 03:51 hit the nail on the head! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • piet.boerie - 2012-08-21 05:34

    This is a disgrace on so many levels and a national shame indicative of the government’s inability to manage the country economically or morally. Disgrace by the miners using violence to carry out objectives, a disgrace getting setup like they did by the union as cannon fodder, disgrace that they have yet to learn about been manipulated for others gain. They ditched NUM to be done in by another crowd of power hungry hyenas. Disgrace by the Government failing to bring equality, failure for properly trained police, disgrace in playing political games with these people’s lives. Disgrace by both unions who clearly do not have workers at heart. Unions have failed to deliver better living conditions for its workers, they are like Malema opportunists without any hope of delivering on their promises. We can now see the clear failure on the Alliance to deliver free and equal equality. We see the same people getting rich under Apartheid as they do now under our new so called Liberation Alliance. The only thing they liberate is money and power for themselves. Disgrace Lomin Disgrace ANC Disgrace Cosatu Disgrace SACP. Same system different government.

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-08-21 05:42

    Lets just think about logic for a do you send police to shoot at someone and expect the victim to report for work the following day including the dead ones.Some races are not giften in brains.

      richard.lemmer1 - 2012-08-21 07:19

      You are a good example of someone not " giften " with brains !!!

  • Tshepo Mongale - 2012-08-21 06:04

    Anyone who make this a race issue is hopelessly stupid

  • Dylan Dillboy Allison - 2012-08-21 06:32

    Business is business people... The event was tragic, it has created a fragile political melting point... If anyone has any real insight to make... Go read Gladwells - tipping point and make an inference from that. The ultimatum should stand... Get your ass to work and get on with it... Any excuse to drag your feet, mope about and be sorry for yourself is an excuse not to do the work you are paid for...

  • jan.matsetela - 2012-08-21 06:34

    The real issue here is miners getting a raise not mourning for a week,raise their salaries and they will get back to work.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-21 06:38

    Now everyone, who had no hand in trying to prevent a tragedy, want to be seen as the good guys. Sorry, you don't fool me. You are soles.

  • Louise Whittingstall Barnard - 2012-08-21 06:38

    They should have FIRED the lot of them 2 weeks ago already! There are thousands of unemployed people who would jump at the chance of getting the job!

      Ratsaka Eugene - 2012-08-21 06:57

      firing them would have been myopic. the ultimatum itself was a terrible idea, a very stupid idea. This is a very familiar decision, taken by people who have no sense of ubuntu, mense van oorkant.

      Ze Don - 2012-08-21 08:17

      @Ratsaka, Go ask the children begging less than 100m from zumas house in Pretoria about ubuntu, it's a myth!

  • don.quioxte.3 - 2012-08-21 07:01

    Your job is to uphold the law, not get involved with business.

  • Bhekie Ndlovu - 2012-08-21 07:11

    All officers who's included must be investigated cause they have used force cause their government will pay for incident. what do we say as tax payers about this.

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-08-21 07:14

    Who the hell does he think he is ... It is none of his business to tell an employer not to issue an ultimatum to striking workers. Get his sorry ass out !!!!

  • phillip.havenga - 2012-08-21 07:19

    How about a year of mourning for all the farmers that have been brutally murdered? The caANCer is just once again showing their racist colours.

      thandazab - 2012-08-21 07:34

      Everybody is being brutally murdered in SA. Nt just farmers. While I sympathize with every victim of murder, it is now irritating me that u ppl always want special treatment. Farmers are no special then any other black person or ppl in SA. Every murder shud b treated the same whether it was Mandela, or farmer Joe or an ordinary citizen in the streets.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-08-21 07:41

      thandazab,you people? What exactly are you referring to in that statement? I am not a farmer, I am however intelligent enough to know that without farmers we have no food, I am also intelligent enough to notice that the government DOES NOTHING ABOUT THE FARM MURDERS especially considering they are clearly not random crimes. It irritates me that people are trying to pretend like the cANCer actually gives a damn about anything other than lining their pockets.

      thandazab - 2012-08-21 07:56

      Actually I dnt care bwt the anc or politics. Just want ppl to be treated the same. I may not have your intelligence Mr. Sir but I think I have logic enough to know the importance of farmers n also white ppl in SA, if we were to engage on that. Hence m against their murder n their land being taken away forcefully without compensation. I just hate the way ppl comment on these forums like oh black ppl died so what, dnt bother bwt them y r they important. Its the farmers who need the president to leave everything because the farmer is worth more than thousands being killed everyday.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-08-21 08:31

      thandazab and dnxumalo, Firstly there have been black farmers murdered as well, however seeing as it is mostly white farmers being murdered the government does nothing, this however was a group of purely black people and suddenly Zuma speaks out and declares a week of mourning for people that were threatening the lives of others!!! These striking imbeciles had already murdered two policemen, in what backwards train of thought do they deserve a week of mourning when they were the instigators and the police were merely defending themselves? But I see thandazab you say you don't care about the ANC or politics and that's probably the very reason that the ANC and a lot of the other parties get away with it over and over because people aren't taking an interest. dnxumalo you perpetuate your lack of comprehension brilliantly in your statement there is nothing I can say that will show up your lack of mentality better than your own words.

      phillip.havenga - 2012-08-21 08:35

      Oh yes and I am not referring to racism against whites in general I am specifically referring to racism against the Afrikaaners.

  • lulama.makholosa - 2012-08-23 18:04

    Its painfull God we know are able to do things even now we call you Lord to the homes that are confuse open a way to them.

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