'Guptagate' may be raised at ANC meet

2013-05-17 22:14

Pretoria - The debacle around the alleged unauthorised landing of a private chartered jet at Waterkloof Air Force Base may be discussed at the ANC’s national executive committee meeting underway in Pretoria.

Spokesperson Jackson Mthembu told reporters on Friday that delegates could raise the subject at the three-day summit.

"That matter did not arise in the national working committee report. I do not know whether it will arise, indeed it may come through the discussions.

"At the moment the discussions have not yet happened, therefore I cannot foretell [whether the issue will come up]. I am not a witchdoctor."

He said the summit began by receiving a national working committee report, instead of with the usual presidential overview, because President Jacob Zuma had been on a working visit to Russia.

Mthembu said Zuma would address the conference after discussions on the national working committee report.

Government said neither the international relations and co-operation department nor the presidency granted executive authority for the aircraft, chartered by the Gupta family, to land at the base.

News of the landing at a national key point drew an outcry from political parties and organisations. The Gupta brothers are thought to be close to President Jacob Zuma.

Five high-ranking officials and military personnel were suspended.

The aircraft was carrying 270 guests to the wedding of Vega Gupta, 23, and Indian-born Aakash Jahajgarhia at Sun City.

  • Godfrey Welman - 2013-05-17 22:20

    And what about the use of Zoo Lake as the Gupta's heli-pad???

      Theo Schoeman - 2013-05-18 11:05

      This whole Gupta affair finally demonstrated the shortsightedness of our President and Government. The total inability to judge what certain actions can have medium and long term on our country is indeed very scary. For the President to involve himself with the Shabir's the Gupta"s and others for nothing other than financial benefit demonstrates greed and zero, ziltz, no leadership abilities. The sooner the ANC’s national executive committee can realize this and send the Shower man packing the better... if not the ANC will pay a price far greater than they ever budgeted for.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-18 11:51

      VGodfrey Welman. what we should all be worried about is the fact that the Guptas accompany Zuma on his overseas trips. That is why they want diplomatic passports. According to them, they 'sell' South Africa overseas. Question is who do they sell us to?.

      George Brighton Shikhibana - 2013-05-18 20:12

      @ Godfrey the zoo lake is not the national strategic point. It has got nothing to do with Zuma or government in particular. The Zoo lake management should take on the Guptas head on.

  • Thobeka R. Mkasi - 2013-05-17 22:38

    ....I am not a witch doctor.Lol ai

      Nelsiwe Msiza - 2013-05-18 02:47

      lol our government! best comedians

      Fundile Lallo - 2013-05-18 08:50

      Saying that in arrogance. Do witch doctors foretell? NO. Only prophets do.

  • Richard Scully - 2013-05-17 23:18

    How drunk you got at the wedding

  • Richard Scully - 2013-05-17 23:19

    ANC you disgust us

      Nelsiwe Msiza - 2013-05-18 02:47

      speak for urself

  • Logic - 2013-05-17 23:21

    So the ANC are having their meeting in secret out of the governmental environment, not in parliament so what is basically going to happen is that the ANC are going to figure out which people to sacrifice so they can keep their jobs

      Joe Smit - 2013-05-18 05:21

      Secret meeting. Have lunch at Saxonwold and thrash the problem out while you there....

  • ABASHONI - 2013-05-18 05:24

    Why is the ANC beating about the bush on this matter? What are they going to discuss about? Let JZ talk and resign, we have seen some big well known companies who have donated monies to the Political parties including the ANC but they have never done what these sycophants have done who think everybody in South Africa is owing them a favor.

  • Bongani Malcolm Mpostile - 2013-05-18 05:41

    Im afraid it will be the next generation that would bring about the whole truth on this matter as long as this government is still in power we will never know the truth not now, if you can consider the type of sweeping brooms being used lol!!

  • Daniel Shagga - 2013-05-18 05:50

    Don't think that JZ can just resign and walk away frm been pres cos that will mean he wont be pres of tne ANC ...and with the history of tribalism , factionalism within the ANC , there a lot of ppl within the ANC waiting to settle old scores with him..... Heads will roll but not the real culprits....just a few low level expendable ones....politics is a deceitful game played they masters of deceit

  • Daniel Shagga - 2013-05-18 05:55

    if the entire report is released to the public it will be political suicide for the ANC....

  • Malcolm Kobane - 2013-05-18 06:02

    Why is this man not recalled, and where is Gwede Machete to chop off JZ to "ensure the smooth running of de country" as was de reason behind Mbeki's recall.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-18 11:54

      Malcolm Kobane. Gwede got his head punched and is back in his shell.

  • Daniel Shagga - 2013-05-18 06:11

    Be careful ppl... In general governments in africa do not like to be criticized for been incompetent ...even if they are . A clamp down of freedom of speech is coming to SA

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-18 11:55

      Daniel Shagga. If they take away our freedom of speech, it is time to march, and we will.

  • Barney Klaasin - 2013-05-18 06:12

    Jackson what happen to your threat that those responsible will be brought to book. Does this means juniors are going to be sacrifice. Maybe you were called to Saxon world to remind you that your hands are not clean.This matter must be your first point of agenda.Your dilemma is pointing in one direction. Financial friends Shaik,Reddy,Gupta etc

  • Andrew M - 2013-05-18 07:05

    Clear the air by telling the nation on the findings of the report, after all we pay the politicians and their ministry salaries. Do not try and water it down so as to cover up the real culprits.

      Mminakgomo Mt Olympus Debeila - 2013-05-18 08:08

      I agree with you, Andrew. The nation deserves to know the findings of the report and not the other way round. We don't care if the main culprits are highly respected leaders. But in SA only the powerless and the innocent individuals are punished, not the big brothers

  • Piero Mendace - 2013-05-18 07:14

    We don't really care where it is discussed, I do however care that we are told exactly how this was allowed. Which senior people were bribed this time I wonder. What a circus!

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2013-05-18 07:33

    Nor the presidency authorised the landing of a jet means what? Guys leave Zuma alone he wl be my president till 2019

      Uzziphathele KaSkhokho Tshabalala - 2013-05-18 19:50

      Your president is corrupt!!!Eric,this country is going backwards,ether u like it or not is because of our president(Zuma) everyone must surfer coz of this idiot stupid Zuma,your president Eric...

  • Piero Mendace - 2013-05-18 07:56

    Ha, ha president, he should start acting like one. Do you live in the same country as us.. You should be so proud of this mess!

  • Johannes Ramara - 2013-05-18 08:11

    I wish the matter be raised at the meeting. We want to see how many are being financed by Gupta family within the Anc. If NEC support the association with Gupta family then they must kiss my vote and the vote of middle class goodbye.

  • Cane Corso - 2013-05-18 08:37

    cANCer. Got to love the ostrich mentality.

  • John Smith - 2013-05-18 09:39

    Yeah, find the best ways to justify and hide this criminal act by the 1% of the population calle the ANC.

  • G.I Jane - 2013-05-18 10:56

    It could easily have been 270 terrorists.We want to know all and not black stripes through some of it.We know this was Zuma's doing.We want the truth.Look truth up in the dictionary and give to us what you read there.OK?

  • Hasela Max Chuke - 2013-05-18 11:46

    yep the landing of the Gupta air craft in Water kloof airforce base,is indid the clear indication that South Africa is a very corupt country so to speak.And i'm apealing to the ANC Leader ship that pleas up root coruption before you colaps our Country,Please we realy love this coutry and i know you can please do.

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-05-18 11:49

    Surely by Friday the agenda has been set. Or is this one of those ad hoc meetings where everyone blabbers?.

      Cane Corso - 2013-05-18 12:57

      And stuffs the already fat shiny gobs...

  • Christopher Mapitsi WaleKhosi Phago - 2013-05-18 14:10

    This one should be the first agendacos NEC of cANCer is protecting the Bean Head it will cum last or never.

  • Payricia Bull - 2013-05-18 16:00

    Another expensive meeting of awkward jibbering idiots where the only item on the agenda is to arrange the next ludicrously expensive conference for awkward jibbering idiots ! ........ paid for by donkey taxpayers where the only item is ........ Guess!

  • Johnson Robert - 2013-05-19 06:35

    Government said neither the international relations and co-operation department nor the presidency granted executive authority for the aircraft, chartered by the Gupta family, to land at the base. (What you are saying is the DA gave permission or The Guptas had to make an emergency landing) That is the problem with the ANC they can never take responsibility. Simple rule ANC = if you can not take responsibility for something its a good sign that the decision you about to make is wrong decision - see simple

  • Seun Mogotji - 2013-05-21 16:30

    INVESTOR CONFIDENCE IN SOUTH AFRICA!. What does South Africa need to do to create decent jobs and achieve hi9gh levels of inclusive and sustainable economic growth? The answer lied in local and foreign direct investment, which needs to be elevated to a burning national strategic priority. The hard trust is that South Africa must trade itself out of unemployment, poverty and inequality. What is missing is a single-minded commitment by leaders in po9litics – including the opposition in all their forms. This is inexcusable. Attracting investments requires agreement on the top five national strategic priorities of which consensus is non-negotiable. Bu there is also need to be a greater awareness of the importance of confidence – a prerequisite for investment. The recent frenzy unleashed by the landing of the Gupta family aweroplane at Air Force Base Waterkloof has not inspired confidence at home and abroad. What political and business leaders need to do is acknowledge this knock to our image and act to manage the fallout not just at home, but amongst foreign investors and analysts. It is their perceptions that move foreign investment. Of course, it isn’t just foreign investors we need to convince. South Africa has a lot of work to do so inspire the confidence of local companies, which have R 1, 34 trillion in pillars of cash sitting on their balance sheets, including R 580 billion held by corporate and asset. Africa receives about 5.9% of global foreign direct investment, which is disproportionately low compared with the continents 13% share of the global population – and less than countries such as China and India. If we want to be taken seriously by the international investor community, we need to demonstrate a tangible sense of common purpose, we need to emphasise what unites us rather than what divides us. This does not mean that we should be blind to the issues of corruption, bad governance and the abuse of power, which must be exposed and dealth with harshly. That is the rule of the fourth estate, a strong, and vibrant and independence media is the key to all thriving democracies. South Africa a is no exception and neither is Africa/ Corruption is not the monopoly of the public sector, though. We have seen construction industry collusion and the bread price scandal and internationally, in the financial services sector in London and on Wall Street. Countries that have created jobs, such as Singapore Japan, South Korea and Germany all exhibit a unified and shared sense of national interest. We need that. In recent weeks, there’s been a war of words between the National Union of Mineworkers of South Africa (NUMSA) and the ANC on the National Development Plan. No plan will ever be perfect, and quibbling over this or that aspect of it should be seen as a part of the democratic process that must be encouraged rather than stifled. But these issues must be raised in a responsible constructive manner. The problem that the tone of the objections by the unions and those opposed to NUMSA”S position has been polarizing rather than unifying. So we need to develop a new language of unifying conversations even in areas where there are legitimate and logical grounds of differing. Our leaders should bear in mind that a lot of things that they say and do are unhelpful to the country’s job creation and economic growth projects. What we need is a paradigm shift to fix South Africa and Africa. It requires a combination of local and foreign investor confidence. But this requires leaders from business, government and civil society to sing from the same hymn sheet. Its time to wake up to an alternative – Its time to wake up to the Bolsheviks Party of South Africa – United in its manifesto and approach to the people.

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