Guptas made DA donations, New Age insists

2013-01-30 22:24

Cape Town - The New Age (TNA) newspaper on Wednesday insisted donations made to the DA from 2009 came from a Gupta group company and not an individual donor associated with the family.

TNA chief executive Nazeem Howa rubbished Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille's explanation that two cheques, one for R200 000 and another for R100 000 came from Stefan Nel, a Sahara Computers executive director.

The Guptas own Sahara and Atul Gupta is the company's managing director.

The newspaper on Wednesday published a letter in which Zille thanks Gupta for his contribution to the party.

Zille claimed it was sent before she became aware the money came from Nel in his personal capacity.

Howa challenged her explanation, saying there was no confusion on who the money came from.

"In 2010, the DA by mistake sent a receipt to the Sahara official (Nel) who then corrected it and the receipt was re-issued in the name of a Gupta group company.

"So we are unclear on where Ms Zille's confusions stems from," said Howa.

TNA is owned by the Guptas, who are believed to have ties to President Jacob Zuma.

Zille earlier confirmed her party had received a total of R400 000 from an individual and a company associated with the Guptas.

The other R100 000 was an electronic transfer from Islandsite Investments, which is also linked to the Gupta family.

Zille insisted there was nothing wrong with the donations, as there was no scandal involving the Guptas when the money was accepted in 2009 and early 2010.

She later instructed the DA's fundraising department "to have nothing to do with the Gupta family or any of their companies".

"Early in 2011, when I started getting concerned they [the Guptas] may be channelling money to the DA via Mr Nel, I gave instructions, that's in the file, [that there will be] no more fundraising from Mr Nel... It's all recorded."

Zille said the DA would not return any of the money.

The DA leader and TNA executives had been engaged in a public spat, after she refused to speak at one of their business breakfasts when she learnt it was being funded with public money.

  • Hasani P - 2013-01-30 22:34

    But Guptas why are u doing this to our rainbow nation. We are still an infant democracy. Why are using your financial muscles to bully our political leaders? Why?

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2013-01-30 22:58


      charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-01-30 23:22

      Guptas, New Age, you are scare that the DA will show you are thief's and one with the most corrupted leader this country had in it's history!

      nadia.graf.50 - 2013-01-31 05:19

      I think it is called hedging your bets. They really don't care who is running the country as long as they can continue doing."business' unhindered. So they spread the money around.

      werner.nel.984786 - 2013-01-31 08:13

      I don't care who donates money to the DA, as long as they fight for a free and fair South Africa.

      tokolosh.nkosi - 2013-01-31 08:37

      These Gupta’s look like they know how to bribe people to get what they want!

      mattewis.kat - 2013-01-31 09:23

      Sure, the Guptas are a horde of scum and they should go to India and stay there, but don't just blame them! Auntie Helen is a big girl and both she and her leadership corps should have values beyond reproach. However, as with most politicians, this is seldom the case. Most of them are a self-serving bunch of hypocrites. Listen carefully when they speak: it's always "we" & "us" when their minions perform well in support of their public image, but when they're caught in a compromising position the leadership will always start the scapegoating with statements like: "I gave instructions to........". No "we" or "us" in a thousand miles when the paw-paw makes contact with the fan. True: The DA will govern SA way better than the ANC, but I think just about anybody is capable of that! The ANC crowd don't even pretend to have values beyond reproach and what's the point in even trying when you have a polygamist leader? You just go with the gravy flow!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-31 09:37

      Hasani.P. They are doing it to gain power and Zuma happily oblige. When things turn sour they will leave and all their millions, in offshore accounts, will leave too.

      John - 2013-01-31 09:56

      @mattewis: well let me play devil's advocate to your comment. First of all, there is nothing wrong with accepting donations, nor is it illegal. Donations are required by parties to perform their work and promote their cause. Now, the only issue here is the source of a donation amounting to R400k which in retrospect is not much over a period of 3 years. So now you discover that the source of one of many donations has a dubious background. What do you do? Should you continue like ANC comrades receiving funds, shrug your shoulders and come up with a lame-*ssed excuse or readjust your position after discovering who the donor is and stop receiving funds? I'm not saying auntie Helen is an angel, but you have to admit, she has a powerful enemy in the ANC and all its comrades that will just love to trap Zille, and deflecting attention from themselves. To this point, TNA is petulantly arguing on 'he said, she said'. Would it not be easier to provide proof, in addition to checks that there was a corrupt relationship? That there was benefit to the Guptas? I don't see any. I just see a petulant newspaper owned by Guptas pointing fingers and saying they have 'sources' but that's it. In that way, they can accuse anyone. I just see lashing back by a newspaper scared to be exposed when DA pulled out.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:33

      before the black man was being bossed around by the whites.... now they are being bossed around by the indians... nothing changes

  • - 2013-01-30 23:09

    To hell with The New Age, Guptas

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-30 23:23

      That's right. To hell with them, seeing as they are the one's that lied about a donation they never made.

  • womba.wonder - 2013-01-31 00:01

    Show us the paper trail then, TNA.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 00:24

      Like you always ask for the paper trail when Zuma's crimes get reported on? Pray tell, when was the last time you asked to be "shown the paper trail"? Never? What's changed, Wombietjie? You've changed? Ah well, never mind, here's a twitPic for you? Good enough?

      raath - 2013-01-31 08:42

      @mabheshankone I started typing another rebuttal to your lame comment, but then I realised I am just wasting my time trying to argue with someone with their own event horison.

      The_Bawse - 2013-01-31 12:38

      Proof that the Gupta Gave DA Money

      Brad Smith - 2013-04-04 11:52

      @raath. I got that. That's a black hole joke. HAHAHAHA

  • maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 00:09

    So you gave the DA money did they give you anything for it except a receipt? Don't be disingenuous please.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 00:20

      Beside the point. Hell-dizzy's been screaming the Guptas are corrupt. So, proceeds of corruption, she accepted and promptly thanked the Guptas for - and she went on to deny it until she had no choice but to admit it. Even then, she got cagey about the whole thing.

      richard.botha1 - 2013-01-31 06:52

      Let the truth be told this is not the first time that the DA will have been caught in a lie if the allegations of the New Age are substantiated, as they appear to be. Who can remember the Harksen incident, where the DA also fervently denied the allegations of receiving donations from the German fraudster. As far as I can recall Gerald Morkel was the fall guy in that situation, who had to resign from his post as premier of the Western Cape at that time. I say if the allegations are true, then the least that Helen has to do is to resign to prove that the DA is different to the ANC and that there are no holy cows in the DA.

  • tuscartau.tau - 2013-01-31 00:14

    To hell with the Guptas making donations to DA-Zille deviating us from the real truth,the bottom line is whether public money has been used to bankrol a privately owned newspaper.

  • zip.reeper - 2013-01-31 00:29

    why won't zille return gupta's money? not too dirty to keep eh? and what was the DA supposed to do in return for the money?

      raath - 2013-01-31 08:44

      Said donor wasn't the Guptas, it was someone who worked for one of the Gupta companies, who donated it in his PERSONAL capacity, without requesting any favours. The DA also declined to accept any further donations from this person down the line.

      The_Bawse - 2013-01-31 12:39

      Atul Gupta was the donor Proof that the Gupta Gave DA Money

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:12

      What did the ANC do for their donation is the point I am trying to make here. Donations is what fuels the political world globally. There would be no democracy if people didn't donate. Only in Africa are donations bribes because people in power abuse their powers. Helen Zille didn't do anything in return for this money. ANC did they turned a donation into a bribe.

  • mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 00:40

      John - 2013-01-31 01:15

      Mabhe my boy, one can only feel sorry for Silas and yourself. You are so desperate to divert attention from the main issue namely the STATE USING TAXPAYERS' MONEY TO FUND PRIVATE COMPANIES IN A CORRUPT MANNER, and in the process you are attempting to fleece everyone by creating the impression that you actually know that the facts given by the DA are lies. Pathetic and transparent attempt to make the ANC look better. Luckily most South Africans (Silas and yourself excluded) will be able to make the correct deductions from the actual facts presently at hand. Hoping that the DA did something wrong will not change fiction into fact.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 02:20

      Feel sorry for yourself John. I can imagine what it must be like to be an "either or" kind of person. If it's not Hell-dizzy. It's Zuma. That's it. Your whole universe on two ends of a short stick. Well, some of us are liberated from that two-tone, one-thought-at-a-time logic, ok? Feel sorry for yourself and the people in your tribe or shrewdness of Zille-nauts. Hoping? Did you really say "hoping"? Aren't you the comical Ali now? Or, are you hoping it just is not true? Sorry, Johny boy, it's real. The madam has...ERRED!

      xolanit.ntuli.9 - 2013-01-31 07:44

      Bathathe bafo, ubabeke indaweni yabo. Ngiyathanda mina

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2013-01-31 08:43

      @ John, i dont think Mabhe and Silas need or are gratified by your sympathy, as it is misplaced. Truth must apply consistently and without favour. Does ANC use state funds to fund private companies, yes! Does Mabhe! He didnt make reference to that, because that isnt the issue, just as i tell people that you caccot justify ANC stealing from people by the fact that the Nat Party also did during apartheid so also one canot acquit the DA because the ANC is doing it. Furthermore, that actually was not the point, the point of this debacle is that Zille knew that the breakfasts meetings were sponsored by public funds, it is only in Dec when the lid blew off and we all found out that she took a moral high ground and refused to be a part of it anymore. That isn't wrong, it is noble, where she takes from her noble action is to lie and deny that she did not know, when prrof is in the public domain that she knew. To rub it in wehn she is being questioned she now reveals that the New Age was harrassing her in Dec...why say now, why not then? I mean she is the Queen of Whistleblowers right, doesnt the timing of the revelations jar you a bit? This line of thinking has nothing to do with trying to make the ANC seem like angels. Do apply your mind a bit more and stop feeling sorry for people, as if you are better than them, sies!

  • Erna - 2013-01-31 01:34

    So the DA accepted a donation from the Guptas three years ago. While Helen could probably have handled this whole episode better, and should take her foot out of her mouth, accepting a donation for the party does not amount to corruption. Should the Guptas receive favours or benefits in return from the DA, then we can accuse them of corruption. Cleo

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 05:41

      A week in the life of a Zille-naut. Day 1. All this is lies! Day 2.There is no such letter! Day 3.Er, there must be an explanation. Day 4.There! It's been explained, it was not a Gupta. It was an Upta! Day 5.Uhm, probe them! Day 6.But, there have been no favours, in exchange for the donation. Just a receipt-nyana, assomblief tog. Day 7.We'll accuse her of corruption another day. Not today. Case rested on this seventh day. The goalposts are now in outer Mongolia.

      richard.botha1 - 2013-01-31 06:56

      She lied she should resign. If she is going to prove that the DA is better than the ANC, resign and show that the DA is a party that does not tollerate lying to the public of SA

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:55

      Richard Botha You don't understand what confidentiality means obviously. The crux is that she had her hands tied. So she had to break a confidence to satisfy you? Who are you when you are at home? A moral bankrupt and stupid? She gave no political favours for the money is all you should consider. Accepting a donation is standard practice all over the world and if you removed your head from your pelvis it would relieve the pressure on your brain and you could start talking sense.

  • nyikamn - 2013-01-31 03:59

    What is Lindiwe Mazubuko going to say about this? Hope she won't blame it on the anc. I see a lot of my white fellow friends are not saying much besides to dislike comments that criticise their perfect non lying corrupt leader . By the way like someone said, I got money from malema in 2010 but for sure the money was not from the anc.

      piet.boerie - 2013-01-31 04:18

      I have never voted DA but how could you compare that to the ANC pilering billions. Yes its billions now and yes and they have killed more ANC members in the last 20 years than the Aparthied did. Did you show moral outrage at the billions, the murders and the Lonmim massacre? Of course you did?

      piet.boerie - 2013-01-31 04:20

      The diference is there was no fraud. No public funds were stolen. Guptas are very smart backing both sides, but smarter in giving the DA the poison pill. PS the DA is no longer mostly white ignoramus

      spillies - 2013-01-31 04:46

      Don't call us my white friends. You are a black racist and we all know you hate whites. Well, we have no love for your pathetic anc. We in the DA have black AND whites working together. You are corrupt to the core you pathetic thing.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 05:25

      Oh no, there's another Stoffel, taking his racial identity more seriously than he should. Is that Studio Visagie? Spillies, being white can't be that serious a condition, man. Get off it. He called you his white friends. If you are not his white friend, you aren't. No need to take offense on behalf of the whole tribe, now. Kom, Spillies. It's only Thursday. Nothing worse than a race-induced heart attack. We know it's hard for you over-40-year-olds, but trust me, it's not that bad. Go to the Kruger or something. You'll feel better. Promise.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-01-31 05:58

      piet.boere - any argument beginning with "I have never voted for..." or "I am not a supporter of..." is doomed, because it has an "apologetic" introduction, propping up a whole lot of nonsense. Just state your argument without the silly introduction; and see if you don't feel like you should - well, on the wrong side of clever. Listen, Stoffel van Blommetjie, the DA, as a regional party, has access to less funds than the ANC does. Therefore the DA's crimes of corruption, measured and scaled appropriately are just as bad. Go think about that. Once the bandages are off, come up with another point, ok? That should keep you occupied until next week.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:49

      Nyikamm your fairly incoherent bilge has me mystified. Once again a donation is not a bribe. What has Lindiwe Mazubuko going to say that you won't spin into garbage. You are not able to reason.

  • Jesus - 2013-01-31 05:48

    The whole of SA is a bit screwed up!

  • mapepaki - 2013-01-31 05:58

    Why would the Gupta's channel money to the DA when they are bedfellows of ANC, that would be a slap in the face for ANC. Hope Helen Zille comes up with the answer we're all waiting for.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-31 09:49

      Mapepaki. It is called playing both sides. The Gupta's are clever.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:44

      Maybe that was why it was given confidentially. However it is a donation not a bribe. Also it wasn't much in my opinion. Just enough to try and discredit the DA?

  • africa.tshipembe - 2013-01-31 06:00

    we are a nation of SHEEP,everyone just follows their chosen political party blindly.this story has just shown how the "educated" ones are not very different from the "uneducated" when it comes to politics.surely Zille messed up here,the da is supposed to be different,its supposed to be ethical.if you da people were genuine you would be asking her to apologise and return that "dirty" money and stop making a fool of herself with all the denials,thats supposed to be the anc's defending her,the da supporters are no different from their anc uneducated friends,you are both SHEEP that makes S.A "sheep nation".we are doomed with you lot.

      Doomsayer - 2013-01-31 06:24

      Speak for yourself mate ;) I am ACDP, but chose to stop voting for them as they are too small and DA can bring about change IMO for all people in ZA If they are proven to be corrupt though and then do nothing about it, I will gladly skip on to the next one or give my vote back to ACDP I can agree she looks silly with the floundering - needs to address all facets of the issue head on to sort it

  • nhlakaniphog1 - 2013-01-31 06:08

    Madam Zille you don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. An assertion propaganda from site that white person can never be corrupt is being exposed

      Doomsayer - 2013-01-31 06:32

      Come off it - of course white people can be corrupt But surely you understand the concept that if Zille is found to be corrupt, it does not make Zuma any less corrupt - nope, then they should just both go to jail - simple This constant black / white bull gets on my tits - where are all the moderates? I know you are out there somewhere my brothers and sisters - let's start our own party - the middle class party We all know it is us that can get the job done anyway. In the middle class party race will not matter - we will only care about at whose house will we have a braai during the rugby and soccer and where can we buy cool clothes on sale. And our MPs will earn a max of 15k a month - lekka middle class! More money for all!! (ps - my hope is that we can all be middle class at the very least. A nice yaris, 2 bedroom house and food every day for all south africans - wouldn't that be awesome!)

      juannepierre - 2013-01-31 07:05

      Where do you think the word came from?

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:41

      Nhlakaniihog Who said that white people can't be corrupt? Of course they can but that doesn't mean Hellen Zille is corrupt. Don't you understand the difference between a bribe and a donation. If not watch out you could get into big trouble

  • Doomsayer - 2013-01-31 06:20

    It is simple really. Do a full investigation. If Zille is corrupt, remove her as leader as a show of how different from the ANC you are and have Lindiwe step up to the plate to lead (which should happen at some point anyway) If it is proven to be a proper donation where no favours were given in return (surely we all know how a donation works) then Zille can trumpet the example of how she is not corrupt from the rooftops. In my opinion? The whole business smacks of misdirection. But it is the DA's fault for not clearly and cleanly nipping it in the bud from day 1. After all, there is no crime in changing your mind - 1 year thanking telkom for the sponsorship, and then the next reevaluating your own priorities on what is right or wrong and then deciding the old way was wrong and pulling out as a result. (note, i said your own priorities - what is wrong in the eyes of the law is always wrong, regardless of your own moral barometer) In fact, that is how I would have done it ' I knew these breakfasts were sponsored by state companies, and I partook - but I can't abide it any longer citing the current mismanagement issues of public funds by said companies anymore' Easy peasy

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:37

      Ag shame. FF playing devils advocate? You have missed the point completely.

      henningbrazer - 2013-01-31 16:09

      @ Maria - feel free to enlighten me on what point I missed? PS> What does FF in your comment stand for? I hope you are not suggesting I am a FF member - that would be silly - my arguments are too well thought out

  • Bluecrest - 2013-01-31 06:37

    @Kevin Perfect comment and I agree 100% Problem is that the ANC supporters are so programmed that the blinker are super-glued to their faces!

  • MJS1234 - 2013-01-31 07:10

    So in a week we find out that R206 million TAX PAYERS (not state) money was spent on Nkandla, there has been a natural disaster in the Cape after the fires, a father was shot and killed in front of his 12 year old son and yet all the new age can talk about is that the DA took a donation (and a perfectly legal one at that) Wow, what a spin machine the ANC has!

  • duncan.colter - 2013-01-31 07:11

    The New Age newspaper is a propaganda machine for the ruling party. No evidence of their claims, and simply insisting (like a child) shows this rag is NOT a newspaper.

  • DavidBanner - 2013-01-31 07:14

    So WTF is the NA trying to achieve here? Are they admitting themselves to be monster corrupt, and anyone who may have received a donation from them is now by association also corrupt. Whats the point NA?

  • Asdiedamwalbars - 2013-01-31 07:19

    The Kings of corruption should stop accusing and be jealous if non corruption party's, who fight corruption, receives donations without an agenda for unfair practices. It looks like the Kings who have always attached possibilities of agenda to commit something, want to be the only ones who must get donations. The moment they hear some party did get donations from somebody within their agendas..they made a huge effort to make an issue of it.

  • vuyisile.cyril.5 - 2013-01-31 07:38

    This is not about the ANC,this is about Saint H,Zille taking money from the media branded devils*Guptas*so why are you DA followers*whites*shifting the blame?the problem with you is that you think everything black is corrupt,,,it n annoying how you trying so hard to make this look like a setup,the fact is the Angel*Zill*took the money from the Guptas,,,if she ddnt knew then,why she refuses to take that money back?don't try to play a political victim here,we are not stupid

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:42

      in 2011? and taking a donation is not illegal. you should be more worried that your beloved ANC backer is playing both sides.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:26

      This is all about the ANC trying to cast aspersions on the DA to hide their corruption. The DA did nothing corrupt in accepting a donation from who ever. The ANC did do something corrupt again as usual. All the people who can't see this have their heads in their pelvises.

  • lsmalope - 2013-01-31 07:40

    I love how desperately the Guptas are trying to attach themselves to the DA. Wow.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:29

      Yes they are worried they backed the wrong horse. They should clean house and stop being a ANC propaganda machine and get some credibility if they want to survive.

  • diphetogo.culture - 2013-01-31 08:04

    heeln zille urgly

      DavidBanner - 2013-01-31 09:13


      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:31

      Wow what a stupid statement judging from your photo it's the pot calling the kettle black as far as I can see. Pity about the ignorance as well.

  • tokolosh.nkosi - 2013-01-31 08:36

    So who cares who made the donations? These Gupta’s look like they know how to bribe people to get what they want! And then get very nasty just like the people like bribe in politics!

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:43


      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:33

      Tokoloshe do you have dictionary go look up bribe and also donation. We are getting tired of telling you the difference.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:35

      Timothy Tanzer exactly what? follow my advice to Tokeloshe.

  • arthur.motsamai - 2013-01-31 08:36

    I have noted with care how DA choose corruption wen it suit them, it is lopsided thinking that makes them holly while thre are cmpelling fact that they throw stones while they live in a glass house. Politicians are corrucpt n lies is what keeps them alive n supa rich. Hellen shut up and prove you never received a cent.

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:43

      it is not corrupt to take a donation.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:44

      You have noted with care? Helen received money she has said she did. It is what she did with it that matters. I feel sorry for people who can't understand logic and have to navigate life it must be the very devil. All political parties receive donations. All political parties don't then use state funds to have breakfasts to the tune of tens of millions to promote the interests of the people who donated to them. If they do they are selling favours and are corrupt. Helen Zille didn't ANC did. If the Guptas, Zumas personal friends are so corrupt that merely to accept a donation from them is considered corrupt, why are they allowed in the country? They can't yet be citizens.

  • heidi.pierce.12 - 2013-01-31 08:43

    What I would like to know is: "Did The New Age" denied that they received huge amounts of public money for their breakfasts? Did they disclose their business model and the amounts involved to everyone attending? If someone attended these breakfasts and they are aware of the huge sponsorship's from state parastatals, does it mean they do not care about the waste of state moneys? If it is such a small paper that it is ridiculous to investigate them, why does the state advertise in them?

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:56

      Heidi this government is so corrupt and they are trying to turn the entire country into a cesspool of corruption. "People who support the ANC will do very ,very well they will see how well they do". Is the clarion call to business. If somebody attended these breakfasts why would they be aware of huge sponsorships from parastatals if they bought tickets for the breakfasts? This whole mess is of the ANC trying to divert attention from their shenanigans. Typical ANC trickery and their supporters can't seem to see the woods for trees.

  • bone.marrow.501 - 2013-01-31 09:01

    I refuse to be fooled by a politician

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-31 09:35

    The Guptas and New Age, are the spokes in the ANC's wheel. Just a pity no one takes them seriously. The wheel is going to fall off one of these days.

  • makhosonke.mqikela - 2013-01-31 09:49

    Looks like a booby-trap was set for Zille

      timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:35

      pretty lame.. is this all they could come up with... a donation?

  • timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:33

    before the black man was being bossed around by the whites.... now they are being bossed around by the indians... nothing changes

  • timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:41

    sorry, maybe I am stupid... BUT... it is not illegal to accept a donation... what is the actual fuss here over.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:03

      Finally the light goes on congratulations on your insight.

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2013-01-31 11:47

    When the Devils Advocate receive funds it is a donation when it is received by the ANC it is a bribe- the double standards of the white minority is ludicrous and you wonder why we continue voting for the ANC!!!!

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:11

      You are half right. When the DA receives a donation it is to pay salaries of workser, paying for pamphlets, office rental, research etc and they do nothing for the donor thus the word donation. When the ANC receives donations they allocate inflated tenders,they give breakfasts sponsored by taxpayers money for breakfasts and free state television advertising for their business etc. That is why it is called a bribe. A donation is free nothing is paid for it. A bribe not it costs quite a few RDP houses and lots of school books.

  • timothy.tanzer.5 - 2013-01-31 11:47

    btw,... what is really going on here is a communist learnt tactic of agitation by the ANC.

  • Silas Hlahla - 2013-01-31 11:54

    @ Timothy Ur hatred of black people creates illusions in ur mind. Watch it coz its self destroying.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:18

      The ANC is not black people it is the burden of the black people When you hate the ANC you hate corruption not black people. Unfortunately when you vote for them it is like going into a shop and buying a whip and then going home to whip yourself. The lot of the general population will be better when you no longer have bullies stealing money that should go to help the people.

  • The_Bawse - 2013-01-31 12:36

    Proof that the Gupta Gave DA Money

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 14:33

      Oh Bawse please. We know that the DA got money from the Guptas. The person who gave it to them wanted confidentiality so they had to be careful how they went about it. They couldn't talk about it. The crux of the matter is that it was a donation not a bribe. There is a difference you know. Donation n. Bestowal, present, thing presented, gift (esp., of money given to an institution). Bribe n. Money etc. offered to procure(often illegal or dishonest) action or decision in favour of giver. If you can't see the difference you are a nincompoop.

  • maria.roth.589 - 2013-01-31 13:18

    The crux of the matter is the Guptas made a donation to the DA. They paid a bribe to the ANC one is legal the other not. Don't try to make political capital out of something innocent to deflect attention from the corrupt practices of the ANC. Only in Africa are people so stupid as not to be able to see the difference. You have the government you deserve only a pity I have to put up with them.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-02-01 01:25

      The crux of the matter is that a two-stroke mind is enough to make angels weep. "You have the government you deserve." If you were to be forced to explain that phrase, I'm sure you'd sprain your ankle. More so, considering every South African has the same government.

  • del.pearson.98 - 2013-01-31 23:29

    Why on earth is there a "New age" news paper anyway. There are plenty of New Papers in the country already, and they are all political with a smudge of news. This family should never have been allowed to get so entrenched in the political arena in the first place. Let the locals do the job.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-02-01 01:26

      One could ask the same question about Stoffel van Blommetjies.

  • khoisan5565 - 2013-01-31 23:43

    this is what happens when you lie and wont come clean ,Zille needs to get her story straight ,she knowingly accepted money from the Guptas ,story about reports in 2011 is rubbish as there has been reports about Guptas since as early as 2009 ,the DA spends millions with TBWA and its okay but when the ANC spends its not ,hypocrisy at its best ,also media seems to be very bias on this only reporting certain things

  • morati.maropola - 2013-02-01 06:50

    Eventually Gupta will be ruling the country and we will be going back to where we come. It will be in another form. Remember at this stage they are "find out"

  • Theresa Stewart - 2013-06-13 13:41

    The businesspersons give donations and the politicians get them. Is there anything new in this concept? Is there anything wrong with this process? From the Americas to Armenia, from South Africa to Saudi Arabia, this happens out in the open. Why do the Guptas are unfairly targeted on this?

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