Gwede Mantashe slams Gupta criticism

2011-03-08 14:19

Johannesburg - ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe dismissed criticism of the Gupta family's political influence as "racial prejudice" on Tuesday.

"Why is it an issue when an Indian company partners with other beneficiaries of BEE?... That is where the racial prejudice is," Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg, adding that this was his personal view.

He was briefing the media on the ANC national working committee meeting on Monday, saying reports on the Gupta family influencing President Jacob Zuma did not come up for discussion.

Zuma's son, Duduzane Zuma, and businessman Rajesh Gupta are reportedly directors and shareholders in a deal with the China Railway Construction Corporation, which could see them benefit hugely from the government's R550bn rail infrastructure programme.

Mantashe said criticism of the Gupta brothers' business empire and their partnerships with black business people were based on racism.

"All of a sudden, because it is a Gupta, it's a big deal, because it's an Indian company. The owners do not look white enough to partner with BEE officials." The same could be said about partnerships with Chinese companies, added Mantashe.

"Because Indians and Chinese are not white enough... that's why I talk about racial prejudice."

  • ncele999 - 2011-03-08 14:26

    Mantashe and the race can not cover up this by pulling the race card....nxaa.

      JosephSoape - 2011-03-08 14:35

      I wonder if he will also get a slap on the wrist speaking as a free agent - not he added that he is stating his personal view and NOT policy...

      JosephSoape - 2011-03-08 14:36

      not = note

      IandI - 2011-03-08 15:03

      So the Guptas are just Zuma's new best friends, finish en klaar? The two families will soon be richer than Bill Gates. Great to have friends with tenders, hmm..Shame, Shabir is now forgotten as JZ does not play golf much .

      Phlegm - 2011-03-08 15:03

      Tshepo have you tried stand up comedy yet?

      tshepotheterminator - 2011-03-08 15:11

      piterJ i think you meant "hole" where did you go to school??? home studies by your mother?

      thedaywalker - 2011-03-08 15:15

      @tshepo stop your reverse psych, stop dreaming, you act like a teenager with a new toy, with elusions of grandeur. Wait and see my boet, the wheel turns for everyone, and your comments don't go unheard or unseen. Your day will come, then you will wish you were not so arrogant! anyway I wish you all the best for your personal future, just think of what you are doing...

      camp.j - 2011-03-08 15:19

      @Thsepo. Dude, i have ONE word to describe you. ie COWARD! When you make comments like you did earlier 1. try introducing yourself so we can see who you are and 2. don't delete them once you realise just how pathetic you come across

      thedaywalker - 2011-03-08 15:20

      @tsepo I am sure you have ladies, daughters, sisters, girlfriend, wife who are close to you, I hope they do'nt cross paths with someone with the same mentality as you... i feel sorry for them.

      Felix - 2011-03-08 15:21

      Tseps, you are giving First Rand Bank a bad name.

      tshepotheterminator - 2011-03-08 15:28

      campJ i dont delete my comments... it is news24.. they seem to make a habbit of that even though i make business good for them... ungrateful thugs....pitrJ you can have 10 degrees i will still have more money than your enire ffamily tree will ever have so whats the point of your 4 degrees flat foot....Felix you my man i like you buddie... dont ask me why but you ok!! hahaha

      buzz - 2011-03-08 16:30

      Really guys, give it a rest. You do this all day every day, and exactly where does it get you. Chill out

  • jody.wp - 2011-03-08 14:27

    why are you redirecting the issue at hand ,

  • Slapper - 2011-03-08 14:28

    I feel like I have stepped into another dimension here? Is this guy for real? If this is a taste of the future for South Africa, we are in trouble.... BIG trouble.

      U1 - 2011-03-08 15:02

      Yes, South Africa is in trouble! BIG TROUBLE!!! Wonder why little zuma didn't partner with a white company? Maybe he doesn't like whites or maybe they don't usually put unskilled people in positions of responsibility?

  • Johann - 2011-03-08 14:28

    Gwede. You dropped something... Your race cards.

  • matla - 2011-03-08 14:28

    Yes it is the Afrikaaner who are trying to rule Mzanzi again - homeless Afrikaaners

      ChrisG - 2011-03-08 14:46

      I think you're right! As an English speaker I'll be there to back you up in case de la Rey comes back to lead them.

      Rabubi4real - 2011-03-08 14:58

      Haha are a sheep!

      Viparo - 2011-03-08 15:00

      ChrisG, and you'll get the hiding you so desperately want. @Matla - what do the Afrikaners have to do with this? Your youth league hero brought the issue up didn't he? Always manage to make it the Afrikaner's fault eh? Even if it's infighting amongst your own.

      ChrisG - 2011-03-08 15:08

      @Viparo, de la Rey has been dead for about 150 years so I don't think there's chance of that happening. Lighten up and learn to laugh champ.

      pieterj26 - 2011-03-08 15:13

      @ChrisG: De La Rey was also a freedom fighter you silly willy....Youre probably still sour that 19,000 odd men kicked your great grandfather's army of 300,000 to the moon. Ag shame...get over yourself and stop being scared of the afrikaans white man...hell moer you boet!!

      ETRESIA Wolm - 2011-03-08 15:45

      Matla and chrisG .Please stop being blinded by your own racial issues. The homeless afrikaners and DELA Rey has nothing to do with this. The Guptas are not even South Africans. Neither are they "prevoiously disadvantaged"They are close friends of the Zumas and get so-called BEE deals.Can you not see what is happening here?

      johan - 2011-03-08 17:41

      @Pieter... shoe, you need to chill your little racist mind. I'm a white Afrikaner and you are embarrassing me, really! I don't like Tshepo either, but no need for you to also be racist. Why are you like this... Just be glad you have what you have.

      MadMatt_88 - 2011-03-08 20:02

      Bollocks to ChrisG. I am a full blooded Englishman, but I'll stare down the barrel of a rifle at the enemy alongside my boere brothers.

  • Felix - 2011-03-08 14:28

    What a bloody hypocrite, free agent giving his personal views when he is part of a party.

      DW - 2011-03-08 14:38

      But note that Trevor Manuel is not allowed to give his personal views and gets slapped for them

      Vernon - 2011-03-08 14:48

      @DW not forgeting Manyi and his indian gibe

  • Grant - 2011-03-08 14:29

    No Gwede - its not a racism thing!! Why is this automatically your 'ism' of choice? Somewhat Freudian I suggest. Try some other 'isms' for a change, like cronyism, tenderpreneurism, bribary and corruption(ism)

      Slapper - 2011-03-08 14:53

      Does he know what Freudian means? I doubt it.

      ratex - 2011-03-08 15:26

      Dude, there are more than 2 syllables in them words, don't confuse the children.

  • Alfred - 2011-03-08 14:31

    ANC pulling the race card? Eish! Me myself I can't buhlief! Never saw that coming in a million years, you toothy, bearded goat.

  • Laugher - 2011-03-08 14:31

    Statements like Gwede's only serve to illustrate why the ANC upper echelons are is such a state of chaos....they lack any thought or intelligence. Keep going guys, it makes job of the opposition so much easier.

  • wmutahi - 2011-03-08 14:32

    What a pity, these are not words that should be coming from a leader. Regardless of whether they are in the ANC or not. A leader hiding behind the veil of race?. If there is smoke, there's fire, the ANC should be looking into the Guptas and if it is in their interest, prove without doubt that they are clean. Mantashe, you can do better than this. And please don't air your personal views in a forum congregated by your position in the ANC.

      Fred - 2011-03-08 14:46

      It was Malema that made an issue of things, not a whitey.

  • Tseleng - 2011-03-08 14:32

    I wonder how is like being a white South African?

      Johann - 2011-03-08 14:35

      It's great fun Tseleng. Somehow there is always a reason to blame the third force whiteys..

      Gido - 2011-03-08 14:44

      well its difficult.. we love this country dearly.. and want it to succeed.. but we are not allowed to help and we are not allowed to criticize.. it makes us sad.

      ChrisG - 2011-03-08 14:48

      Pretty much like being a black South African except that we can't spend too long in the sun.

      Tseleng - 2011-03-08 14:51

      Continue insulting us we will be busy levelling the plain, building SA. Eventually you'll catch up with the programm that we in-charge and we took nothing from you, you still enjoying the super rugby(imagine if that just stops).

      Johann - 2011-03-08 14:52

      Robdob, you being a knob. The way I see it is that this was a valid question. Maybe if we all thought like that sometimes, we'd be able to start understanding the other sides opinions of things.

      Tseleng - 2011-03-08 14:53

      @rodbod, what a feeling especially in SA the same you had before Mandela took that previlege.

      DeonL - 2011-03-08 15:23

      I wonder if Pakistan will be choking today? To let 100 runs go in last 5 overs, hope they are not fixing a game again? Go Proteas!

      Felix - 2011-03-08 15:26

      Tseleng, What's it like hiding your racist drivel behind a supposedly innocent question?

      Gido - 2011-03-08 15:41

      Tseleng.. please ignore the sarcasm for a moment.. there's no point in transferring wealth... we need wealth creation!! "South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white”

      generaalcharlie - 2011-03-08 15:50

      You ask stupid questions you will get stupid answers. Sarcasm is a western thing there is no equivalent in pedi!

      Enigma - 2011-03-08 15:58

      Tseleng, being a white South African is a privilege. Just like being a black South African is a privilege. Look around you. You can and may walk where you want, provided you can defend yourself against the thugs in the streets and in nature (the human kind). You may express yourself here and ask strange questions so that people like me and Johann can tell you it's great fun to be white. I love my life, my family, my friends and my next door neighbours - who are black.

  • Straight Forward - 2011-03-08 14:34

    Why play the "race card" again. As soon as there is criticism of the ANC we pull this out of the hat. I wish you were the traffic cop that was beaten up with a baseball bat. How much are you getting from these Indians? Looking at your face, you look like a skelm

      pieterj26 - 2011-03-08 15:56

      @JuliusMalema: Awesome comment!!.....not so awesome are in the gutters if that name is used boet. Not fair to you..correct spelling, mostly, and JuJu cant go in the same sentence.

      pantz - 2011-03-08 16:37

      "Comrades!" he cried. "You do not imagine, I hope, that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has been proved by Science, comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole management and organisation of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. It is for YOUR sake that we drink that milk and eat those apples. Do you know what would happen if we pigs failed in our duty? Jones would come back! Yes, Jones would come back! Surely, comrades," cried Squealer almost pleadingly, skipping from side to side and whisking his tail, "surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come back?" Now if there was one thing that the animals were completely certain of, it was that they did not want Jones back. When it was put to them in this light, they had no more to say. The importance of keeping the pigs in good health was all too obvious.

  • Snys - 2011-03-08 14:34

    "Rail Infrastructure Programme"...the gravytrain needs more rail. going for the drivers position? Just be careful...some of the wheels has already fallen off!

  • don - 2011-03-08 14:34

    Wait just a minute here, was it not Juli-ass Malema and Cosatu that were criticizing the business relations between the Gupta's and the Zuma's?

  • e.henning101 - 2011-03-08 14:35

    Mantashe, I suppose you have not declared/ reveiled your "under-the-table-envelope" then?? Same as Yengeni...Malema and many more. None of you incompetent lot ever does anything...well, I should probably stop right here - as this sums it up 100%...(You don't ever do anything! You just want to collect!)...but, according to your pathetic responses/ replies, you are just never guilty of anything... You model citizens, you...such role-models! Eish!

  • Thelma - 2011-03-08 14:36

    Why has the race card been pulled into this debate? It was Julius Malema that spoke out about the Gupta family and the ANC and that started the ball rolling.....Are we always going to be faced with the race card?

      Jan - 2011-03-08 16:54

      YES we will

  • generaalcharlie - 2011-03-08 14:37

    None of these anc mothondo's can open their mouth without menstioning race , Who are the racists in this country I wonder

  • Gido - 2011-03-08 14:37

    haha.. did they expect an actual answer from him.. he's buying his race-cards in bulk!

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-08 14:38

    The ANC are obviously in a "RACE" against time before voting begins.....

  • sempi - 2011-03-08 14:39

    johann, the race card was dropped by those who instigated the sensational publication of this was never a scandalous story..

      Thelma - 2011-03-08 14:52

      Julius Malema instigated the sensational publication of this story and his race is black so why is the race card been played?

  • fracham - 2011-03-08 14:39

    Off course it would be racism ! Anything coming from Govt will be classified as racism. By the way , has anybody read any articles by economic analysts Savvas lately. A possible scenario for SA in a couple of years time.

  • - 2011-03-08 14:40

    And here we are thinking somewhat naively I suppose that that the purpose of AA and BEE and BEEE was for the benefit of our SOUTH AFRICAN previously disadvantaged people ;instead its being used by the ANC to protect some foreign charoos - why ???

  • Fred - 2011-03-08 14:42

    Wasn't the problem brought up by Julius Malema? whats is Mantashe really trying to say, the the ANCYL is run by a racist, never!!!

  • crocoros - 2011-03-08 14:45

    There is a saying that goes "there is honour amongst theives" If there is one thing the ANC is really really good at is to make us believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong with covering each others a^&^$. You scratch my back and I will scratch yours. Please stop trying to make the intelligent people of this country look like idiots. Everything done in distaste always has a good comeback from one or other spokes- person or spin doctor. We are sick and tired of the manipulation. Shut up and work on the problems that ails our country.

  • chucky - 2011-03-08 14:45

    so the race card is the joker in the deck? u can play it anytime

  • Jacob - 2011-03-08 14:46

    What Mr Gwede Mantashe does not realise is that the leadership of the masses in gradually eroding the essential and fundamental philosophy upon which the liberation struggle was born.Mr Mantashe is encouraging the erosion of this principle by subscribing to political business connection,which benefit the few at the annihilation of the poor masses.

  • pieterj26 - 2011-03-08 14:48

    Is it me or is Mantashe speaking in two tounges? Have a look at this comparison: This article: "Why is it an issue when an Indian company partners with other beneficiaries of BEE?... That is where the racial prejudice is," Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg, adding that this was his personal view. From the article: ANC slaps Trevor Manuel on the wrist: today on News24: ...The NWC [national working committee] further appealed to all ANC members to stop and refrain from behaving as if they are free agents who speak as individuals, reflecting comments that are not informed by policy," ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said in a statement read to reporters in Johannesburg... Try to see the contrast here. Thats the problem with the ANC top structures, what is valid for you is not valid for me because I am black enough to make such comments...Trevor Manuel my man, run as fast as you can. From the book "Animal Farm": Some are more equal than others. Apartheid here we come..whoohoo!!!

      Random - 2011-03-08 14:54

      He seems to have memory loss. All these comments in a space of 24 hours.

      Slapper - 2011-03-08 14:55

      Its called Shooting from the Lip. They have done so much spinning, they are dizzy.

      Gore - 2011-03-08 15:19

      We don't encourage such cleverness, please SHUT UP. lol

      pieterj26 - 2011-03-08 15:25

      @Random....Seems like its more a case of selective memory. Tomorrow hell deny saying anything of that sort!!

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-03-08 14:49

    Wow,it takes skill to turn this issue at 180 and blame the white population of racism.

      ETRESIA Wolm - 2011-03-08 15:58

      Yes and only the unintelligent fall for that.If i were you, Mpho,i would wiggle myself into the ZUMPTA inner circles.

  • roboman1 - 2011-03-08 14:51

    What is Manyi's view on this matter? To many Indians or to few? Or should there be a coloured one in here as well. And how does Mantashe move from criticizing Trevor Manual this morning for expressing a personal view to suddenly expressing his own personal view? We need more retired politicians in this country

  • Kirsty - 2011-03-08 14:53

    Mantashe - what a fool! Pulling the race card YET again - its getting a bit old now

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  • Ed - 2011-03-08 14:56

    I wonder what Mr Jimmy Manyi is saying about Indians getting such lucrative deals

  • spindoctor - 2011-03-08 14:56

    Mantashe is aloose cannon.He "speaks on a personal capacity" He has just tol Manuel not to voice opinions outside the ANC.Hypocrite! Everything is attributed to racial prejudice.Pleeeeeze corruption is colourblind stop looking for excuses and spin tactics. Mampara!

  • anna - 2011-03-08 14:57

    Could it be that his type have a serious hole in their vocab, that when at a loss for words they blurt....RACISM....?

  • DeonL - 2011-03-08 14:58

    The race card again! If it is not racism, it is apartheids fault!

  • thedaywalker - 2011-03-08 14:58

    Gwede and the NEC of the ANC are now just taunting us with ambiguous statements. People do not have an issue with the Gupta's they need to do what they need to do...its the ANC with their weak leaders who are falling for the joke the Gupta's are making of them... We need strong, incorruptable leaders who are beyond reproach, JZ, if you care for this country, you'll get a voice and lead us with it. Oh and take a lesson from Madiba first before speaking to us...

      50something - 2011-03-08 15:55

      Don't hold your breath, JZ is never here - off to India again (no pun intended). He has been voted (not by the people by the way) into the position where he is because he can be manupulated, not because he is a good leader.

  • Tc - 2011-03-08 15:01

    Who still believes Mantashe?

      Gore - 2011-03-08 15:24

      Me,me!! Usually I always interpret it in the opposite of what he says.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-08 15:04

    There is nothing racist about our employees enriching themselves while they are supposed to be working for us. Mantashe will "slam" anything his employers say, if it does not fit in with ANC greed. One day the people will be fed up and they will slam the door in the ANC's face.

  • Random - 2011-03-08 15:04

    The racial state in SA is very disturbing. Not only in politics, but in our daily lives, black people are always crying foul about how racist whites are, while we are always the ones using the race card. Who said the whites are the only people complaining or worried about the Gupta relationship? This relationship is not race related, but morally-related.

      Random - 2011-03-08 15:06

      "This relationship is not about race, but about morals in a democratic country."

      allie - 2011-03-08 15:23

      Can`t you see?,they are trying to change this moral thing to a race thing.Was`nt it for racism,there would not have been an ANC.THIS IS THE ONLY WEAPON THEY ALWAYS HAD.

  • cpdennis1 - 2011-03-08 15:07

    Typical, you have no clue how to answer the allegations so why not pull the old race card! You complete @#$%head!

  • Gaanake - 2011-03-08 15:08

    But Gwede, what about the Manyi's observation? The Indians have exceeded their quota! Or that refers only to the poor uninfluencial ones without the right connections? You could cross Manyi's path if you're not careful you know.

  • Iamwhy - 2011-03-08 15:11

    In an article related to Trevor Manuel: "The NWC [national working committee] further appealed to all ANC members to stop and refrain from behaving as if they are free agents who speak as individuals, reflecting comments that are not informed by policy," ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said in a statement read to reporters in Johannesburg.....and then in the article above: "Why is it an issue when an Indian company partners with other beneficiaries of BEE?... That is where the racial prejudice is," Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg, adding that this was his personal view.

  • k53 - 2011-03-08 15:13

    oh gosh! this is bout corruprion, not race!! no 1 cares which race these ppl are. stop playin da race card man, this is coming from a black female!

  • ETRESIA Wolm - 2011-03-08 15:15

    What has the Guptas got to do with BEE? they are not even South African. They are Indian people from INDIA All but previously disadvantaged.And who broaght in "homeless Afrikaners"

  • Normaldude - 2011-03-08 15:17

    Gwede , get your story straight , If the ANC slapped Manuel on the wrist for this comments , they should kick your Fu##ing arse, You speak with fork tongue chief. Secondly ,as a person of india origin , these Gupta Folks are giving us a rotten name , Me thinks they are VERY Corrupt. We do not need them here , As for your race card antics , lets face it it rather boring ?

  • Marulaneng - 2011-03-08 15:17

    another race card again by the ANC to avoid concers raised by the public. maybe all races expect "africans" should migrate to other countries so that the ANC does not use them as a scapegoat to aviod accountability

  • GT - 2011-03-08 15:19

    No, the problem is the guptas have employed a 12 year old son of a president in a position far beyond his experience or ability and then expect us to swallow it as if it means nothing. I call BULLSHIT! The crony-ism is so blatant and so common place they cannot see it themselves.

  • burtfred - 2011-03-08 15:19

    The communist Mantashe, wearing his hat as the ANC secretary general, has just panned his heirarchal senior, cabinet minister Trevor Manuel for expressing his personal view about the racist Manyi. Almost immediateley therafter, Mantashe however has slammed critisism of the Guptas as "racial prejudice", adding that this was "his personal view" Oh, so comrade Gwede, you can have an opinion on matters political, but no-one else in your trashy party can? Marxism in action.

  • Mr Hobbit - 2011-03-08 15:21

    It goes like this: "Putting out fires with gasoline, putting out fires.... .. with gasoline"

  • Colin Dovey - 2011-03-08 15:24

    Mantashe is becoming, like his colleagues, totally deranged about race....he said above: "All of a sudden, because it is a Gupta, it's a big deal, because it's an Indian company. The owners do not look white enough to partner with BEE officials." The same could be said about partnerships with Chinese companies, added Mantashe. "Because Indians and Chinese are not white enough... that's why I talk about racial prejudice." Where and when did the Chinese come into this fracas? If anything, people in this country should be scared of the Chinese, very scared - WHY? Because they work DAY & NIGHT, HARD, and they will eventually take all of the "promised" 5 000 000 jobs away from the people who badly need just some of the crumbs from the ANC Pig trough. The people on the ground are not as ignorant or stupid as you may think they are Gwede Mantashe. They don't have the fancy cars, houses, clothes, Sushi - but they do have PRIDE.....and one day they WILL vote you out of your feeding frenzy.