I told Gaddafi it is wrong - Zuma

2011-03-17 19:04

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma on Thursday said he personally rebuked Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi for "shooting his people", but declined to say whether SA backed international calls for a no-fly zone over the North African state.

"We are dealing with a situation in Libya where Gaddafi is shooting his people... I discussed with Gaddafi and I condemned the actions he has undertaken and said it was wrong and he must stop doing it," he told the National Assembly, referring to a phone conversation with the embattled Libyan leader last week.

Zuma said South Africa would co-ordinate its position on Libya with other members of the African Union.

The pan-African body this week appointed a panel of five presidents, including Zuma, to negotiate with both the Gaddafi regime and rebels trying to end his 42-year rule.

"South Africa will work under the guidance and leadership of the AU... the panel has already begun its work," he said.

"I don't think I want to prejudge what is happening in the United Nations. South Africa will certainly take a decision that will be in accordance with our belief."

"The government has not been silent or inactive on this matter. We began engaging other heads of state on this matter when events started unfolding. We are very concerned about this situation."

Assets frozen

Deputy International Relations and Co-operation Minister Marius Fransman has said Zuma would be part of an AU delegation that could travel to Libya for talks as soon as the weekend.

However on Thursday ministry spokesperson Clayson Monyela said it was not clear whether Zuma would personally go to Libya or send an emissary.

The AU panel on Libya also includes the presidents of the Congo, Mali, Mauritania and Uganda.

France, Britain and the United States pressed for a UN Security Council vote on Thursday on a no fly zone to stop Gaddafi's attacks on rebels.

While other members of the 15-member council have expressed doubts about military action, Washington argued that even stronger measures than a no-fly zone may be needed.

Gaddafi's forces have inflicted several defeats on rebels in recent days and Libya's deputy UN envoy, Ibrahim Dabbashi, who has turned against Gaddafi, warned on Thursday that the international community had half a day to react to prevent "genocide".

Zuma last week instructed the Treasury to begin freezing Gaddafi's assets in South Africa in accordance with an earlier United Nations Security Council resolution.

  • Pharcide - 2011-03-17 19:17

    Maybe you should tell your buddy Robert to stop shooting his people. Hypocrite.

      Cyril - 2011-03-17 20:00

      Clearing My throat. WHAT ABOUT MUGABE?-DAMMIT!!!

  • Gardener - 2011-03-17 19:20

    His lips were moving = telling lies!!

  • Spade - 2011-03-17 19:22

    Our beloved president has once again placed himself on the moral pedestal where he does not belong! Shamelessly pointing fingers, while he has a track record of moral poverty!

  • Madelane - 2011-03-17 19:25

    Hey Gadfaffi stop shooting your people my brother but when you're finished lets do lunch.

      Nhlanhla Mbuyazi - 2011-03-18 06:20

      Lol Madelane its sad but I have to laugh on just made my day

  • william.botha - 2011-03-17 19:34

    And he is going to listen to you because...?

  • lance.trent.kilkenny - 2011-03-17 19:41

    says the man who has allowed scores of foreigners to freely enter the country to rob, rape, pillage and murder his people. pft!

  • Balstrome - 2011-03-17 19:41

    magoo much zuma?

  • Shorts1 - 2011-03-17 19:46

    What is this guy Zuma smoking??? I am sure that Gaddafi just laughs at him, as, if and when he opens his shower tap. We need to accept that the political world of any significance just barely tolerates the existence of this guy - there is certainly very little real respect, if any, for him and his cronies. Maybe he should just learn to quickly understand that the other rulers of this world, just like Mug-ape, see him for what he really is.

  • burtfred - 2011-03-17 19:48

    JZ told the Colonel: "Make love not war brother leader, heh, heh. Just make sure to shower after every conquest. heh, heh".

  • saliem - 2011-03-17 19:55

    Bollocks Mr Zoomer... play us that part of the recording and we might believe you :P

  • Perfume - 2011-03-17 19:58

    Speak against crime here in South Africa, before telling Madaffi what to do!!!!! Talk about double standards

  • tommy 2 - 2011-03-17 20:02

    I AM SURE IF WE ASK GADDAFI,WHAT HE SAID TO MR J. The answer would be. It is wrong to line your pockets with a few buddies. It is wrong to have people living in poverty. It is wrong for you to have a failing education system. It is wrong for you to have a failing medical system. It is wrong for you to lie to the people that vote for your party. It is wrong that people still do not have access to water but were promised since 1994. It is wrong to break bread with an Indian family and not your own people. It is wrong to only eat curry everyday and be controlled by your love for this dish. Mr J,WHY DONT YOU TELL YOURSELF,AND FELLOW CABINET MEMBERS THAT IT IS WRONG TO STEAL FROM THE COUNTRY.

  • Hungwe - 2011-03-17 20:10

    Did Gaddafi in turn tell you and your ANC government that the way you are handling Robert Mugabe's ZANU PF behaviour in Zimbabwe is wrong? - There have horrific human rights abuses just north of Musina for the last 20 years but all we have heard from Mbeki/Zuma and the ANC is a deafening silence. Now suddenly they're authorities on Libya's problems, what utter jerks.

  • leslie mcdoolley - 2011-03-17 20:14

    did he say he was sorry for shooting them too?

  • shrink - 2011-03-17 20:16

    I hope he will personally go to Libya, maybe something might happen to him and it might be good for everyone in SA, surely we won't miss him.

      Nhlanhla - 2011-03-18 10:02

      Uyahlanya wena!

  • gizzy - 2011-03-17 20:18

    "I told gaddafi what he is doing is wrong" - nudge nudge, wink wink....... I bet he told Mugabe the same thing!!!

  • Slapper - 2011-03-17 20:37

    I Bet he did, the lying clown. If Gaddafi wins, he will come on a state visit. If he loses, he can come and retire here with his billions. The Taxpayer wil look after him, as long as he looks after the fatcats.

  • velastardust - 2011-03-17 20:57

    viva soustrein

  • Whitey - 2011-03-17 21:11

    You're a dumb shite by vote & by common knowledge.

  • Siener2 - 2011-03-17 21:33

    Imagine this headline a couple of decades ago: "I told Verwoerd it is wrong - Mandela" Would the ANC have considered that an adequate response?

      Muzzy21 - 2011-03-18 13:45

      "Stop refering to the past" is'nt that what you always say to black people?

  • BigMoose - 2011-03-17 22:28

    And so whimpered's wrong, brother leader. We also shoot our protestors, but only with shotguns and the odd pistol. We don't need to drop bombs on them...yet.

      Wedfew - 2011-03-18 08:03

      BigMoose. Don't be silly its Not protestors. Only the whole family in the car. Or pilots.

  • za101 - 2011-03-17 23:12

    thank you president zuma

      Jack - 2011-03-18 00:52

      too late. Bengazi is falling as we praise his words. That country is now a mess due to complacent leaders who can not act at all.

  • Olavin - 2011-03-18 00:26

    "And said it was wrong and he must stop doing it" Sounds like he was repremanding a child. You've been a bad boy, Gaddafi, haven't you? Yes, you have. Koochie koochie koo!

  • duncan - 2011-03-18 06:16

    Bet he whispered it in zulu.

  • Goofster - 2011-03-18 06:30

    I would probably believe Mr Zuma if he were to post a transcript, or better still a recording of the actual conversation. Mr Zuma's actions to date are not befitting of a person in power and he does not strike me as a person of strong moral fibre.

      Muzzy21 - 2011-03-18 13:43

      Same opinion I have about white people when reading through this forum.

  • siejek - 2011-03-18 07:41

    I think our president Zuma should worry more on the problems he should be facing in his own country and let Obama handle whats going on up in Libya

      Wedfew - 2011-03-18 08:05

      Zuma also wants a cut.

  • mm - 2011-03-18 08:42

    Release the telephone conversation. How do we know it is not as usual, a lie. We know Zuma is a master when it comes to telling people what they want to hear. How do we know he did not ask Gaddafi how he did it, so he can follow in his footsteps? Or perhaps congratulated him for not giving up power. There has been too many lies from this idiot, I do not believe one word that comes out of his mouth

  • ratex - 2011-03-18 08:45

    Lies, Lies, Lies, yeagh aaaah, they gonna get ya. Pity that you apparently have a different view when it comes to SA. Here it's cool to rape the country of its wealth. Take the log out of your own eye before you remove the speck from someone elses

  • Francis - 2011-03-18 09:14

    I'm so sick of this peer-group mechanism cr@p, and this Africa shall not speak against Africa BS. Could a real leader please stand up.

      ALCAB - 2011-03-18 09:32


  • buzz - 2011-03-18 09:16

    Yeah right Jake, we all believe you, because we all know you always tell the truth. And we all know what good morals you have. Um, pardon for asking though, but can anyone else confirm that you said these things to gaddafi - just for prosterity's sake of course, we really do believe you - really.

  • shc - 2011-03-18 09:41

    Mr Zuma, please tell Mugabe it is time for him to quit and retire!!! he has made his people suffer too much? Wonder if ian smith killed so many zim people, what wud world say abt that?

  • Elvou - 2011-03-18 10:09

    ha ha ha Gaddafi will never stop what he is doing this is the way of evil within him, and the assets frozen from SA and US is nothing to him, this is what a man does when in really power,that's why he's killing poeple cause he sees dogs besides he knows he never done anything for them, he is suppose to fight with the time he waisted doing the rong when he was suppose to be realistic. let the dark days beggin in Gaddafi's world. but if he is to step down, lots of lifes will be lost.

      paulf - 2011-03-18 10:28

      H'es not going to Live. he is going to die at the hands of the Us, France and UK or his own people are going to kill him.

  • Sharon - 2011-03-18 10:39

    So is the AU and Zuma stopping over in Zims to condemn Bob the Gob for his murdering rampage that has been on going for 20 years?????? NO didn't think so. They will bow down to Gaddafi he has millions, if not billions to pay off the AU leadership so they turn the other way, so Gaddaffi can continue to bomb and murder innocent people who have had more than enough of his greed and cruel leadership.

  • Mr Hobbit - 2011-03-18 11:00

    WHAT? No quiet diplomacy?

  • Lerato - 2011-03-18 14:23

    Its a good thing our president, Mr Zuma, is against Mr Gaddafi shooting his people. But with concern nothing is being done with the "perfect" Zimugabe

  • Mikey101 - 2011-03-21 21:08

    Eish, dis one is wrrrong!!!

  • Boer - 2011-03-28 00:37

    We all know the ANC loves Gadaffi. Is he and Mandela not big buddies why are they all so still about Gaddafi??? MMMMM me thinks they are scared of beeing bombed themselves.

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