Ill-discipline has gone too far - ANCWL

2012-02-24 20:45

Johannesburg - The ANCWL is appalled at the disruption of President Jacob Zuma's centenary address in Cape Town on Thursday.

"This ill-discipline has just gone too far and must stop now unless we want to spit at the graves of those who made selfless sacrifices for us to be where we are today," ANC Women's League president Angie Motshekga said in a statement on Friday.

The ANCWL would approach the ANC's national disciplinary committee and demand "the harshest sanction" against those responsible, said spokesperson Troy Martens.

"The ANCWL is shocked and appalled at the disgusting behaviour displayed by some rogue elements," Martens said.

"The disrespect shown for the African National Congress was a disgrace and the perpetrators should be ashamed of their actions. We should not allow these people, who call themselves comrades, to defame the ANC in any way."

Earlier on Friday, the ANC Youth League denied that its members disrupted the address because of differences with ANC leadership.

"This notion is conclusively incorrect and spread by opponents of ANC unity, particularly as it celebrates 100 years of existence," ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said in a statement.

He said the disruption was caused by members of the ANC.

"The... league condemns such actions and calls on all members of the ANC to respect leadership and choose correct platforms to express their frustrations and disapproval of some among the leadership," Shivambu said.

The Young Communist League of SA (YCL) said the disruption needed to be condemned by "all committed revolutionary forces".

"To spit at the memory of a legacy of the ANC should be cursed and the perpetrators should be... rooted out of the ANC, its structures and its allies, as these are the parasites that suck the life out of our glorious movement," YCLSA spokesperson Mangaliso Khonza said in statement.

He said those trying to disrupt the address had been "rented" by individuals within the ANC.

"This rented mob, hooligans and thugs are beyond redemption and upon positively being identified, should be expelled from the movement with immediate effect."

Two people were arrested following the disruption at the Good Hope Centre.

At the time, the SABC reported that several ANCYL members were thrown out of the centre when they started singing during Zuma's speech.

Cameraman Rudi le Roux was apparently hit with a chair while filming an anti-Zuma protest outside.

ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said the attack on Le Roux was "regrettable".

ANC Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga called Le Roux on Friday morning and apologised on behalf of the party.

"We are pleased that Mr Le Roux has been discharged from hospital following his admission yesterday," Motshekga's office said in a statement.

The Cape Town Press Club said the attack against Le Roux illustrated the ANC's stance against the media.

"This incident is a consequence of the vilification of the media from within the ruling party," it said.

"It has provided the licence to unruly elements to vent their anger against the media, who unlike the president, are not protected by a field of armed bodyguards."

Speaking in Johannesburg earlier on Thursday, Zuma said the ANCYL was a part of the ANC and not a separate entity.

It should present ideas to the ANC itself and within ANC structures. Unless its proposals were accepted by the ANC, they were not ANC policy, he said.

On February 16, ANCYL deputy president Ronald Lamola said its president Julius Malema would not be removed from his position by any other than the ANCYL structures.

Malema, Shivambu, ANCYL secretary general Sandiso Magaqa, Lamola, and two other officials were found guilty in November of bringing the ANC into disrepute and of sowing division in the party.

They are awaiting the outcome of arguments in mitigation and aggravation of their suspensions, which range from 18-months to five years.

  • Gollum - 2012-02-24 20:52

    Cameraman Rudi le Roux was apparently hit with a chair while filming an anti-Zuma protest outside...Jackson Mthembu said the attack on Le Roux was "regrettable". Spill a drink on the prez and you'll have your ass dragged off to court. Anyone doubt there's double standards in SA ?

      Max - 2012-02-24 21:06

      Some people are just more equal than other...

      Vusi - 2012-02-24 21:26

      What do you expect when the Mother Body can't get to a conclusion on the Malema matters?????? The Mother Body has become a spineless Jelly Fish in the hands of people with ill intentions. There is no discipline because the Mother Body is scared of everybody! We need a President again. What we have now is a total mess. They are so busy stealing they don't have time to govern!

      Sganja - 2012-02-24 21:35

      @Vusi “What do you expect when the Mother Body can't get to a conclusion on the Malema matters?????? “ in the Anc we have something called a “Process” you just don’t jump and make conclusions. The mother body is not scared but we want both parties to be happy. Maybe I can I agree with you in saying we need a president.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-24 21:46

      More like absence of process, or abscess, Sganja.

      Vusi - 2012-02-24 21:50

      @Sganja. I have heard enough about these processes. As soon as we think it is over, then a new one gets created. This mess has created the impression that the Mother Body has no teeth! If you have had an appeal, then this should be over!!!!!! Over and done with! You don't create another opportunity to destabilise the party! Wrong wrong wrong!

      berni.venter - 2012-02-24 22:08

      Dear Shanja. When a parent disciplines it's child, the child's happiness is not the priority. The child's well being is at stake and it is the parents responsibility is to ensure that the child grows into a productive, responsible adult member of society. When my child disrespects me I address her bad manners immediately. Should she continue and adds insult to injury by making her disrespect public, my discipline would be swift and sure! Once she has mended her ways and shown the necessary respect can we discuss her happiness.

      John - 2012-02-24 22:32

      Double standards? LOL Never heard of this before "Personally, I don't know anybody who has died of Aids. I really, honestly don't". Thabo Mbeki - September 2003

      Sganja - 2012-02-25 00:17

      Dear Vusi “I have heard enough about these processes. As soon as we think it is over, then a new one gets created.” Which processes were created, except the mitigation? In the Anc as Mantashe stated we don’t rush, we want to analyse the arguments presented by the both parties.The same way courts take years to complete one charge. @Berni I will forgive you for misspelling my name but please in the future just copy and paste, I don’t believe you just compared the two ,FYI they are different.

      Wesley - 2012-02-25 02:37

      Sganja Do the ANC know what all these "processes" cost the country. Somebody suspended with pay for years for the " process" to follow when he was caught with corruption or stealling. Somebody else is then also paid to do the "processed" person job. Bloody crooks

  • kznshark - 2012-02-24 20:58

    ...a lot of ills in the ANC...

  • kgomotso.radise - 2012-02-24 21:06

    Order of the day (ill discipline, robust, militant and counter revolution)

      vanrooyend - 2012-02-24 21:26

      You've hit the nail on the head

  • ISO - 2012-02-24 21:09

    If i were the ANC, i would just ignore the ANCYL! Children should be seen not heard! What does these youngster know anyway about politics!

      hpitout - 2012-02-24 21:13

      These 'youngsters' are 30+ in age ...

      Sganja - 2012-02-24 21:52

      That’s rich, what does Lindiwe Mazibuko know about Politics?and what about Gana. Your comment is disappointing..

      ISO - 2012-02-25 06:42

      Lindiwe acts and is a mature individual and who's words speaks volumes, unlike the ANCYL who is very inmature individuals and words speaks non-sense. Can you PROVE me otherwise?

  • Irene - 2012-02-24 21:13

    It's not just ill-discipline that's gone too far. You forgot to mention incompetence, corruption and plain old thievery!

      Irene - 2012-02-24 21:23

      Sganja ~ Go and swivel on the nearest spike you can find boy.

      Ben - 2012-02-24 21:28

      Sganja, should you not be worried about this type of behaviour.

      Sganja - 2012-02-24 21:35

      Irene what?

      Sganja - 2012-02-24 21:37

      @Ben S Im worried but the role of WL is not to condemn, they have their role in the Anc

      nthabiseng.priklopil - 2012-02-24 21:39

      Are you a grand daughter of Mangosutu Buthelezi. Probably yes!

      Kevin - 2012-02-24 22:15

      Sganja, perhaps you should try and write an intelligent ripost to Irene. Sticking your head in the sand or blocking your ears like a 3 year old is childish, it tells us that like much of the ANC and all of the ANCYL you are immature illeducated and boorish. These are not attributes that will cause anyone who thinks to support the ANC.

      Sganja - 2012-02-25 00:17

      @nthabiseng.priklopil Lol I think Irene belongs to Buthelezi @Kevin please read your own post “If you have nothing intelligent to contribute stay silent.”

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-02-24 21:32

    really i mean really now you only realize that now this has been going on for ever and still ju ju sits in his chair and having a big laugh at your expence ,oh the mighty ANC has become the laughing stock even in the AU.You are absolutely useless even Mugabe is getting tired of you,

  • Sganja - 2012-02-24 21:46

    Abortion, pregnancy, abuse etc WL must focus on these issues

      John - 2012-02-25 14:44

      r sole

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      Irene - 2012-02-24 22:18

      Say what?

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-24 21:55

    A Youth League would be wonderful if the youth energy, creativity and focus could be shifted from taking to giving. From breaking to building. From looking inward to looking outward. From the past to the future. From holding on to letting go.

      ISO - 2012-02-24 22:04

      If only!

  • Polotic - 2012-02-24 21:55

    The implosion of the ANC continues!

      Nigel - 2012-02-25 11:45

      yea, & the funny thing is that there is no black opposition within 1 million miles, they all stay loyal to this dysfunctional pathetic party, while it destroys itself & the people of the country its is supposed to govern.

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-02-24 22:15

    Things fall apart the centre cannot hold. ANC leadership is simply tasting it's medicine. The ANCYL has nothing to with the youth but has something to do with king-making. They elevate leadership with loop holes so that they can line their pockets without disruption.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-02-24 22:29

    Today modern society have opted for not spanking a child or punishing them. I'm not suggesting beating an ill disciplined child( I adore children). Truely the difference in the manners/behaviour and discipline of the kids of today and the kids that were punished for misbehaviour 50 years ago is extremely noticable. I think our Malema's are the way they are because they were never checked for misbehaving...It's vital that a child knows right from wrong so he grows up being able to be an asset to the community rather than a blight.

  • Ntshuxeko - 2012-02-24 22:58

    is anc ndc independent or a weapon used by the mighty ones to silence their worst opponents?yes the behaviour was unbecoming but for ancwl to demand the harshest sanctions against anc members who displayed their discontent is nothing but adding petrol on fire.sometimes we have got to deal with the root cause of a problem than treating symptoms of a problem.i am not a dying fan of any individual but as a christian i believe the truth is a greatest weapon God laid at our disposal help us defeat evil by doing good.i still believe that as long as we the citizens of south africa are still deprived of an opportunity to directly elect a president of our choice,internal power struggles within the ruling party is far from over.the same problem experienced by former liberation movements in other parts of africa will gradually and permanently lend to our is true that leaders come and go but surely their footprints remain with us forever.who in the world can forget marcus garvey,machele,krumah,kenyetta,luther,x,hani,biko,sobokwe,thambo,sisulu,mandela,mbeki,bob marley and gaddafi?their life is still heavy even though their life is part of is not only that young people don't respect a disciplinary process of their organization but the concern is whether those in charge are not using it unfairly?i.e is the organization consistent on the discipinary processes or only targets those who seem to give them headache on their position of influence?

  • samdanguru - 2012-02-24 23:24

    I believe that the ANC does not belong to any one, may the those we vote to lead us not personalize the ANC for their own interest. why every times when comes to change the should be some funny staff takes place. all this is happening because we are to go to national conference for the new leaders.

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-25 01:51

      Your "accent" IS unconvincing.. Take disprin and 1 years leave.. Ciao Ciao

  • Bokfan - 2012-02-25 00:15

    Lameass anc lost in in a wonderland of easy riches and total power. These idiots are on the worst drug you can get. The good news is they have od'd and the icu has shut down because of lack of funds. The are dead men falling.

  • quinton.dejager1 - 2012-02-25 01:49

    Shame i really feel sorry for the ppl in the ANC and the ANCYL they all like chickens without heads......that y i dont give a flying krap wats going on and wat the do cause they not going to get ANYWERE like this so the best advice i got 4 the sa ppl is just to make the best out of wat u got hey

  • Gary - 2012-02-25 07:26

    The ANC will devide and conquer themselves its like poetry in motion, gotta love it. And it did not take a psychic to predict it either.

  • John - 2012-02-25 10:32

    Luckily aunty Winnie couldn't make it to the meeting.... otherwise the ANCWL wouldn't have been able to make this statement..

      Nigel - 2012-02-25 11:42

      you mean witch Winnie

  • Nigel - 2012-02-25 11:41

    Th YL's ill discipline went too far when Malema said the ANC is for blacks & the DA is for whites, it went too far, when he said that whites are thieves, it again went too far when Malema sang kill the boer, again & again...its funny that the only now when the YL is attacking its own mother body that they have gone too far, sorry ANC but you are a bunch of hypocrites.

  • Jennifer - 2012-02-25 14:07

    Yes the ill discpline really has gone too far, fancy singing kill the boer again. No wonder the children are behaving so badly.

  • Chappies ZA - 2012-02-25 18:21

    This is just getting better, where is the pop corn!!!!

  • chris.khanye - 2012-02-25 20:12

    Zuma is not just an ANC President but also a President of ALL South Africa and our No1 diplomat. The centenary address was also attended by invited guests local and international who happened to be non-ANC members. And it was scandalous and unpatriotic what some misinformed, misguided, rogue ANCYL paper revolutionaries did at the somber occasion. What's ANC internal wranglings and indiscipline got to do with Makgatho's legacy or SA international relations? And some morons in the ANCYL would like sober South Africans to believe the fallacy - they're upholding Nelson Mandela legacy. They might be upholding 'a certain Mandela legacy' but not Nelson R. Mandela most know and admire. President Zuma did not impose himself on the ANC nor the country - but was elected democratically in Polokwane and so the process to remove him must be democratic. Stop your lunacy, indiscipline and tender-crazed stupor - please resolve ANC issues at Mangaung later this year. Before then - give President Zuma the respect due to him. I know some need to be orientated to respect since it was a luxury they couldn't afford some where in their young lives. And we all know the difficulty to teach an old dog new tricks! Wait your turn - ANC democratic processes are not obsolete.

  • Mboneni - 2012-02-25 23:01

    The ANC is so fragmented that it is now using defunct tentacles,such as AnCWl,ANCMKVA,to help hurl attacks at opponents of differing factions, the centre is no longer holding

  • Johnson - 2012-02-26 20:34

    Malema has fueled the hate towards the white community - not a surprise that ANCYL member will attack the first white person in sight in a situation like this.

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