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Impeach Zuma, Lekota says

2012-10-23 20:43

Cape Town - Cope's call for impeachment proceedings to be started against President Jacob Zuma drew a sharp response from the ruling party in the National Assembly on Tuesday.

Congress of the People leader Mosiuoa Lekota told MPs the president's office had, on Friday, "defied an order, by the Supreme Court of Appeal, to hand over the abbreviated transcripts of the tapes that permitted criminal charges to be dropped or withdrawn against himself".

He was referring to the refusal to release transcripts of the secret recordings which were the basis of the decision to drop corruption, fraud and racketeering charges against Zuma in early 2009.

Lekota said Zuma was bound by his oath of office to obey, respect and uphold the Constitution.

"As his office and his lawyers act daily under his direct authority, the inescapable conclusion is that the president is illegally refusing to be bound by... the Constitution, which binds all persons to obey a judicial order, and there are no exceptions.

"Under the circumstances, Cope requests the Speaker that impeachment procedures against the president be instituted for defying a lawful judicial order. And I ask that all members of the House must support this plea," Lekota said.

Rising on a point of order, African National Congress Chief Whip Mathole Motshekga called on Deputy Speaker Nomaindia Mfeketo to rule against Lekota's statement.

"This serious allegation... should be brought by way of a substantive motion, not loose accusations against the president," he said.

Mfeketo replied she would "come back" and look at what Lekota had said.

Standard of truth

"Definitely there are other members' statements that we need to read and see if they are... factual," she said.

Rising on a further point of order, Inkatha Freedom Party MP Mario Oriani-Ambrosini called for clarity on the matter, reminding Mfeketo that speaking truth did not necessarily apply to politicians.

"You said... that statements of members of this House must be factually accurate. I know of no precedent in any parliament in the history of mankind in which members of parliament are held up to the standard of truth.

"That is not a standard on which politics operate. If that is your ruling... it is a revolutionary ruling," he said, to laughter from members.

Mfeketo responded: "I didn't give any ruling."

Motshekga then told her the rules of Parliament did not allow for "unsubstantiated allegations and the character assassination of the head of state".

Comments
  • SharonE - 2012-10-23 21:00

    Motshekga then told her the rules of Parliament did not allow for "unsubstantiated allegations and the character assassination of the head of state". Remind me again - is this a democracy or a dictatorship? I forget....

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-10-23 21:05

      I think the word you are looking for is kleptocracy.

      andrew.hendrikse - 2012-10-23 21:10

      Parliament is a Joke!! The ANC and ZUMA are resembling a Fascist regime more and more by the day!!

      kobus.kaunda - 2012-10-23 21:12

      this is a ZUMA kleptocracy! this man is a GANGSTA!! nothing more and nothing less! how can he respect the rules of law or a constitution when he never LEARNED the rule of law or the principles of a constitution? zimbabwe will look like Disneyland when he is done recking the country!

      BulletProof. - 2012-10-23 21:17

      Call this government fascism is a favor what they are is a bunch of thieves.

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-23 21:51

      Terror lekota for president and madam for deputy

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-23 22:19

      > Remind me again - is this a democracy or a dictatorship? I forget.... Neither, it is an ochlocracy

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-24 08:07

      Nothing is unsubstantiated in this case. Zuma is guilty, as the facts clearly show.

  • blindfolded.cynic - 2012-10-23 21:01

    Yet another example of the ANC and all its arms ignoring the rule of law as it suits them. Lekota is correct: of all people JZ is bound by his oath of office to comply with court rulings. But then JZ doesn't care because he doesn't have to - he knows that he and his cronies will be re-elected regardless...

  • mark.a.fysh - 2012-10-23 21:02

    Minister Motshekga, our head of state has no character to assassinate.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-23 21:34

      ANC chief Whip Motshekga is not a minister, his wife is a minister of basic education.

      LingNewnham - 2012-10-23 21:46

      So this idiot is we'd to the Limpopo scandal person? Nuff said.

  • robes.spear - 2012-10-23 21:05

    Its not for nothing that our President's pseudonym is "783".

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-23 21:15

    South Africans lets face it Zuma will have a 2nd term and the DA aint gonna get no tapes, compound cconstruction is going to contunue, Tenders will come as usuall to his family and the poor will become more poor. The PP will find no irregularities.. We are dealing with A grade skelem here..

      Sandile Bhoma Ka Nduli - 2012-10-23 21:26

      I back you

      toxicater - 2012-10-24 00:13

      Very correct @ buthelezi. I agree

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 13:56

      That's unless we unite and mobilise and give another party than cANCer a go at the polling stations, vote with your brain not your skin colour!!!

      mzondistanley - 2012-10-25 16:27

      WHEN A GOAT HIT A SLEEPING DOG YOU SAY THE DOG IS NOT CLEVER IT SHOULD HAVE SENSED DANGER AND RUN AWAY BEFORE THE GOATSCAME CLOSER BUT WHEN THE DOG BITE A SLEEPING GOAT YOU SAY KILL THIS DOG I THINK IT IS GETTING MAD(SICK). NO JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR ACTION! MAY BE BECAUSE YOU THE GOAT MEAT AND THE DOG HAS TO WRONG ALL THE TIME SINCE IT'S MEAT IS ENJOYED BY NONE OR JUST A FEW!!! tHIS pOLITICS IS SELF SERVING FOR lEKOTA WHO IS BENT ON REVENGE POLITICS!!! EVEN WHEN ANC IS WINNING YOU WILL NEVER SAY CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! SHAME ON YOU AND REMAIN ROTTING IN OPPOSITION BENCHES OF HELL!!!

  • richard.madhopershad - 2012-10-23 21:16

    he did the crime and must now do the time!!please start checking his health...I see another medical parole...to play golf...

  • Erna - 2012-10-23 21:31

    I don't know about impeachment, but the NPA, Hulley and therefore the president, have disobeyed a direct court order to release the transcripts so Lekota has a point.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-10-23 21:41

    The court order stands, will zoomer ignore the constitution? If he does, we are worse of than zim.

      lums.zindela - 2012-10-23 21:55

      He has ignored it already, that was long time ago.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-10-24 00:00

      what is the penalty for ignoring a court order in this situation ??

  • lums.zindela - 2012-10-23 21:50

    Hy guys, can a good cartoonist draw for me: A cartoon of zuma being chased by 5 dogs. With the message-: Beware of dogs, no exceptions. \r\n I need to put it in my gate to warn people. I'll have to pay for it if its what I wanted.

      SharonE - 2012-10-23 21:59

      Ask Zapiro - he'll do it for you pro bono

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-23 21:55

    Lekota for president!

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 13:58

      I voted him last time and was disappointed by his dismal performance at the polls, not to mention the inherited gravy train mentality they brought from cANCer, yet they will make a good coalition!!!

  • eric.makwana - 2012-10-23 22:07

    I don't believe that those tapes even exist, it was just another tactic for Zuma not to be prosecuted.

      mlungisi.magada - 2012-10-24 08:57

      Even if they exist they do not justify the dropping of the charges and that is why we will not let the DA have them.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 14:04

      It's beyond me why a rapist and expelled fraudster was allowed the helm of the ruling party in the first place, sorry post 2014 ANC has no business being in the picture.

  • sandile.makana - 2012-10-23 22:14

    Yes!!

  • B.b. - 2012-10-23 22:16

    If u want to rule the country don't attack an individual,,,if u want justice to its job, then let it decide on whether to impeach Zuma or not,,,if he has been impeached,,,the ANC will still be a big party and they will nominate other leaders to vote for. U can't tame the powers that ANC possesses

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-10-23 23:26

      Unfortunately. It's coming. Don't rest on your laurels. Show your gratitude to the people of SA by using our taxes wisely. Otherwise...get off the gravy train.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 14:01

      B.b I wont tolerate an ANC president after 2014, this criminal organisation is a blemish unto Goniwe,Tambo and Madibas legacy!!!

      lionel.armstrong.77 - 2012-12-11 21:23

      so true! you cannot tame the cANCer...uncivilized barbaric unruly!!!

  • marcogburger - 2012-10-23 22:20

    Suerly these tapes should have been released in the country's best interest!

  • Samuel - 2012-10-23 22:20

    Y can't they just hand over the damn things, remember what he said when he took the highest office in the country. This zuma thinks he is above the law, I wonder who is advising him on legal matters. We can clearly see that under him there is no direction, let us all hope that those who vote in mangaung will be bold and wisdom to c that under current leardership this country will go down the drain and rememnber its the future of our children!!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-10-23 22:34

      Samual the problem is that they do not have good opposition in ANC. We became a population who that think that the current leader/s enrich himself/them enough and now he/they is/are going to do good for us. We are desperate and that is not a good position. I am current crying for my people. Maybe the better off can still last for a few months, but the poor's time ran out!!!

  • Sipho Mbatha - 2012-10-23 22:22

    you think you are tarnishing the Presidents image, oh shame you arefailing. we know that Lekota is still angry that Zuma was the one who was mandated to make him to resign or face dismissal from the organisation when he was the premier of Free State, Lekota desobeyed even former President Nelson Mandela and his deputy Thabo Mbeki.

      toxicater - 2012-10-24 00:04

      Sipho I'm a Mbatha too, but I'm sure u are a fake one or uneducated. Its not about lekota here. It is about our constitution!!

  • zamani.myende - 2012-10-23 22:29

    this is rubb*sh, anc abuses power

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-10-23 22:34

    J Z should be reminded that he is not above the law. He must just come to the law or the law will go to him?

  • warren.deeves - 2012-10-23 22:44

    I wonder if Madiba keeps up to date with the news. If he does, he must get really sad to see the state of the ANC, and what it's done to this country!! Anyone but Zuma!!!

  • eugine.bouwer - 2012-10-23 23:08

    The law must be obeyed 1 way or another we will reach the promised land were everbody obeys constitutional law.were parties will hv equal opportinities to lead the country. Were a president will be able to say his own mind without a speach on a piece of paper like grocery list paper

  • pule.sibusiso - 2012-10-23 23:24

    the country should stop supporting nonsense,otherwise corruption will never end and Lekota is ryt, we one doesnt obey he should step down or resign....i dnt knw who came up with ths constitution that a person must do as he pleases.

  • prakash.singh.169 - 2012-10-23 23:54

    WOMANISER, ZIPPER, SHOWERHEAD, ZUMA IS IN CONTEMPT OF COURT FOR NOT OBEYING THE COURT ORDER. WHERE IS THE NPA? WHY IS ZUMA, NPA AND MICHAEL HULLEY NOT ARRESTED.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-10-24 00:06

    We have an old game in SA - called Monopoly - but our citzens are waking up to a new game: United WE rule. Educate, speak your minds, free up your frustration before if becomes a killing machine. Focus on your children - all 20 of them, (deep breath) - make this a better Country for all.

  • Michael - 2012-10-24 01:33

    Lekota is sick, according to south african laws, Zuma's lawyers have got the right to keep their tapes as private evidence, that is the difficult part, however, NPA can request them, but M Huley is not obligated to give it to them, therefore those tapes may never be handed to DA.

      Ze Don - 2012-10-24 06:41

      A court order was issued for the tapes. So they can't be held as private evidence... please try again.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-10-24 06:59

      Lekota may have a cold but you are plain stupid and there are no cure!

      dmlatha - 2012-10-24 12:28

      Micheal, since you are the legal geneous that you are, can you tell us how did state evidence end up being the private property of president Zuma and his lawyer?

      ttivana - 2012-10-24 16:04

      michael u are a fool. go hang...

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-24 08:04

    What a bunch of idiots. The facts are clear and Zuma is guilty and they worry about technicalities. Ambrosio, listen, we the taxpayer demand honesty from all you lot.

  • quartus.vanzyl - 2012-10-24 08:07

    Impeach him! He thinks he has semi-god status and that he is above the law.

  • mike.watkins.9889 - 2012-10-24 08:52

    why bother?.He could commit murder and the tripartheid government needs a weak figurehead in government.that way nothing gets done and the fat cats can become recipients of health benefits too.

  • phindani.zethi - 2012-10-24 09:33

    All this politicians are criminals. The very same Lekota was in ANC, isn't it? I don't think he was going say what he is saying now, if he was still in ANC.

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-24 09:44

    Impeach the entire ANC surely if you can get rid of a president you can get rid of a party! Its not like the president actually does anything he just listens to the people in his party!

  • marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-10-24 10:37

    Zuma is a law unto himself! He has so much to answer for but some how rules do not apply to him or his 'cronies'. How on earth can we respect a man that has no scrupples? Yet it looks as though he will be in for a second term of office!!!!!! Is there no one out there who has the guts to stand against Zuma and give us a lesder who we can be PROUD of?

  • vlammie.pilot - 2012-10-24 11:05

    This zuma mongrel is a disgrace! Never mind impeach, fire his damn ass!! He can go and sit and chomp on bananas at his kraal. The world is way too advanced for this uneducated fossil and his dual celled brain. Uneducated blacks must stay out of govt - finish n klaar!

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 13:54

      Uneducated or unqualified anybodies should stay out of government,infrastructure and service delivery.

      rugbyworld.worldrugby - 2012-12-11 22:10

      Vlammie you talk about advanced, and still your avatar is an old South African flag. You bravely boast as being in favour of a racist past. Wake up the world are advancing around you. Remove your flag and start posting some intelligent non racist views...... I dare you.

  • alon.fisher.752 - 2012-10-24 13:51

    And disband the cANCer too.

  • unathi.l.menze - 2012-10-24 15:28

    Clearly our president is above the law and the constitution doesn't apply to him, for a man who claims to be innocent, he's pulling in a lot strings to keep those documents from ever seeing the light of day.

  • zukile.ndarana - 2012-10-25 12:28

    the anc must stop accusing Mugabe of being a dictator while they are dictators.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-10-25 16:14

    Lekota, You do not impeache an elected Leader that enjoys Popular support from the ANC masses!!! Elections are arround the Corner Why are you so much in a Hurry?? After all you do not come from the ANC majority Ruling Party!!!!! Lekota and your COPE you are undemocratic and hence surrounded by so many enemies from within your Party!!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-25 19:20

      Mzimba58....have you not been reading these and many,many other comments, Zuma is VERY UNPOPULAR.....where do you come with "He has Popular Support" Zuma is weak, has no education....is draining our country of it's money with corruption and got away with rape charges....and this is the man you put your trust in...EISH.

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