Info bill final version adopted

2011-09-02 14:46

Cape Town - The ANC on Friday used its majority strength in a parliamentary committee to adopt a final version of the protection of information bill which critics immediately vowed to challenge in court.

"We think it will prove unconstitutional," said Alison Tilley of the Open Democracy Advice Centre after the bill was finalised.

At issue is the ruling party's refusal to include a public interest defence to protect people who disclose classified information to expose government wrongdoing from prosecution, and potentially imprisonment.

The Democratic Alliance, Inkatha Freedom Party and African Christian Democratic Party all moved amendments to allow such a defence but were outvoted eight to four by the ANC.

"We think that the bill is constitutional," said ruling party MP Luwellyn Landers after the process was completed a year after the bill was introduced.

The state security ministry also welcomed the final draft.

Public interest defence

The ACDP's Steve Swart said he would petition President Jacob Zuma to refer the legislation to the Constitutional Court before he signs it into law.

"We have made very good progress on the bill apart from the public interest defence. It is a major issue and it makes the bill open to challenge and therefore we will ask the president to the Constitutional Court for its decision."

Tilley also indicated that it was unlikely that a challenge would wait until somebody has been charged under the new legislation.

"We will be able to move sooner rather than later. Our position is that the point where the president certifies the bill as constitutional, is the point at which it can be taken on review.

"We are deeply disappointed that a public interest defence was not included," she added.

"It means that journalists and others are not protected for disclosing evidence of state malpractice."

Both the opposition and civil society critics welcomed significant concessions made by the ruling party on other issues after it came under pressure from rights groups and its alliance partner Cosatu.

Small victories

The ANC agreed to narrow the definition of national security in the bill and to limit the power to classify information to the intelligence and security services, with other departments having to seek special permission to keep secret files.

It also agreed to remove provisions that prescribed minimum sentences for all acts criminalised in the bill, apart from espionage.

The opposition said these changes were victories in their struggle to rewrite the initial draft, which critics termed an attempt to return to apartheid-era secrecy.

Said the DA's Dene Smuts: "We have rewritten this bill as a decent piece of intelligence and classification law.

"It is only in the offences clauses that it has gone wrong, to our enormous regret," she added.

"We tried hard to get a public interest defence for our media and anybody else."

The bill is likely to be put to the vote in the National Assembly before September 15.

  • Will99 - 2011-09-02 14:48

    This isn't over by a long shot!

      Shrike - 2011-09-02 14:56

      Now they will shut down this forum as a matter of national security...... @News24 ......move your server to Mauritius...... You can report anything you want from

      TheMagician - 2011-09-02 15:17

      its over boet its over..... finally the ruling party is making steps at ensuring our ANC will remain strong and secure as well as securing the nation.... you whitsle blowers and journalists had better be careful of treason now hahahahahah... Amandla the ANC forever and ever AMANDLA!!!Viva Viva

      Schalk - 2011-09-02 15:23

      Operation "Divide the Nation" continues... To taxpayer: ANC = Corrupt, immoral & incompetent. DA = Country's only hope. To poor person: ANC = Liberators, saviors and wealth redistributors. DA = White Party who want to reinstate apartheid. To miniMalenemas: ANCYL = I too can drink Johnny Walker Blue Label like Juju if I make enough noise and forget to think. ANC = We will kill for Zuma... Or is it kill Zuma...? Can't quite remember. What did Juju last say? DA = Imperialist, racist, right-winger madams, teagirls & gardenboys undermining the African agenda.

      Fred - 2011-09-02 15:44

      This is an absolute disgrace. How many millions has it cost to draw up this flawed bill, and how many multi-millions is it going to cost the taxpayer in Constitutional Court challenges. And the best of all is that the ANC and it's cronies can now finish looting this country without fear of anyone being able to report their corruption. Really, this ANC government is a joke, albeit a very sick joke. This comment will probably not see the light of day, because either News24 or the government will delete it !!!!!!

      Spyker May - 2011-09-02 15:54

      Is it mere coincidence that this is happening behind the 'smoke and mirrors' of the Malema hearing..? International pressure must now surely be an absolute imperative. The first step must be to call for nation-wide protests. To hand a memorandum to the Embassies/Consulates of all the countries that imposed sanctions against SA before - to reinstate those sanctions. SA is clearly NOT a democracy and the said sanctions served/s to coerce the SAcan government to adopt democracy (irrespective who the government is/was). I ask again: WHAT IS THE DA DOING ABOUT THIS..? THEY ARE THE ONE'S WHO TOLD US, PARTICIPATE IN THE 'DEMOCRATIC PROCESS', GO AND VOTE - WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE REST. Evidently the DA- and as such the "democratic" process in SA does not exist - the ANC regime does just what it feels like. This 'act' as we all know, is what is needed to cover up the 'ARMS DEAL' - for a start, corruption in its broader sense, BUT MOST CRITICALLY: Most people have forgotten that the ANC is busy training a YOUTH MILITIA - viz the "Rural Youth Service Corps". The ANC has refused to explain what its purpose is, under what legislation it was formed, etc, etc. It is however becoming clear that the "training" provides them with the skills to invade farms and operate the farms in the absence of the previous owners. Refuse to believe me..? Read this carefully..,

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-02 16:20

      @ shriek correct - this is what amazes me. How many overseas web sites etc. will come to existence and start telling the world what is happening here re corruption, scams etc.? Does this ANC government think they can stop people overseas putting forth a daily report just like web 24 is here, and not enlighten everyone of what corruption is going on? Have they shut up Wikkileaks yet? This will make more and more people in SA read such sites as and when they come on line and create even more awareness of the corruption happening in this country. Today you cannot keep the press quiet not can you keep people from not finding out what is going on in your government. Soon such pirate newspapers / blogs etc. will becomne the daily reading of this country's citizens more so than newspapers. And the ANC just doesn't get it!

      willieman - 2011-09-02 17:01

      Q TheMagician i do not think you undrestand the dynamics and the long term implications of this law.Open up your eyes nad look at the countries that practice this kind of laws.And this is got nothing to do with race.It seems you labour under the impression that ANc members are the only ones who are patriotic.Stop playing race cards it is very stupid and naive

      Sheda Hab - 2011-09-02 17:32

      THIS IS THE B E G I N N I N G O F T H E E N D O F T H E A . N . C .

      Succubus - 2011-09-02 18:10

      TheMagician, The reason one does not give ones government the ability to act with out transparency, is to ensure that the government may not take advantage of its own people in order to secure power and prosperity for a select group of elite with in the government. By giving the government the ability to hid things, you render your government powerful, and your self week. Allowing ones government to operate in secret is an extremely foolish thing for the citizens of a country to do.

      Spyker May - 2011-09-02 18:26

      @TheMagician.., You are a fool beyond any known measure. Do you have ANY inkling of what the ANC is capable of..? Do you really want the ANC regime to hide information from the public..? A regime that is openly supporting Mugabe..? The same kind of restrictions on information that exists in Zim, is what the ANC is now imposing - why..? So they can inflict the same kind of oppression- and violence, against their own people, as Zanu-PF..? Please take a look at what the police- and security guards are doing to the employees in the Marange Diamond fields - the link below; it makes Apartheid look like a picnic... Extracts from a BBC report on the matter: "The main torture camp uncovered by the programme is known locally as 'Diamond Base'" "It is the place of torture where sometimes miners are unable to walk on account of the beatings" "They beat us 40 whips in the morning, 40 in the afternoon and 40 in the evening," said the man, who still could not use one of his arms after the beatings and could barely walk...". Do you think this what the people of Zim imagined when they gained democracy..? BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, MY FRIEND, BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL..!

  • Buic Unix - 2011-09-02 14:52

    OMG are heading for disaster here, are we being led or being fooled are we being taken for granted...SOME1 NEEDS TO STOP THE ANC COMPLETE SHUTT DOWN

      Da.Liva.Delvira - 2011-09-02 15:07

      Toothless... Wonder how u got that name... You don't realize that this Bill is going to affect South Africans, be it white or black or others!!! I wonder if you even have general knowledge and or common sense...

  • willieman - 2011-09-02 14:52

    I hope the concourt rejects this dragonian law.

      ryan.frey1 - 2011-09-02 15:11

      Toothless, the government is stealing your money, not the whites... The only sad thing is if the bill is passed you it won't even be made aware of it in the media.

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-02 15:25

      Ryan, why try to explain to toothless? Brainless is more apt as he wont grasp it anyway haha

      nic - 2011-09-02 15:38

      Toothless?? More like mindless, brainless. Shame. I really feel sorry for you. You are too stupid to see what is going on around you.

      Slapper - 2011-09-02 15:39

      @toothless, Brainless, gutless, Shutting down the flow of information has been tried by better people than the ANC, and it still did not work. In this case, the World is watching South Africa and confused as to who they want to emulate Albania and North Korea? In the long.. or short run, its only the Blacks that will suffer. Hmm, maybe you are one of the ones who will deserve it.

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-02 15:42

      If Zuma,s stooges are in judgement at the Con Court this bill will be law.

  • Nero - 2011-09-02 14:57

    It's a well known fact that pigs do not like it when you watch them feed. It makes them restless and gives them indigestion. Poor piggies...

      InternetMan - 2011-09-02 15:04

      Yeah. No fun being naughty if everyone knows about it.

      Slapper - 2011-09-02 15:40

      Pigs that overfeed get sent to the Slaughterhouse quicker.

  • Eternity - 2011-09-02 15:00

    I doubt it's just coincidence that they pull this when everyone has their focus on Juju.

  • zulufox - 2011-09-02 15:01

    Yes. Now, we need the backing of the Con Court.... Not a problem.

      Ogre - 2011-09-02 15:41

      Yesss! Now my ANC buddies and myself can screw you over royally, pocket all your BEE funding, misdirect the taxes, strip the municipal coffers, put the nationalised mines, banks and farms in our names and tell you that there was nothing for you in the first place without you EVER knowing about it. If you complain and demonstrate about it we can now make you disappear with no-one allowed to point a finger without the fear of being jailed. WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • Komasa - 2011-09-02 15:02

    "We tried hard to get a public interest defence for OUR media". Yes the DA media who also sponser the Rhodes Journalism Department with R46m every year to produce 'creative writers' who never move from their desks, instead of proper investigative journalists.

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 15:20

      @Valis 'illiterate savages' does that include the whites in the party or are only blacks 'savages'.

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 15:25

      @Vallis I thought the DA was a, except for it's NEC, multi ethnical party yet when you and your stereotypes refer to blacks it is always done with derogatory terms. Who is the 'illiterate' bastard then?

      Slapper - 2011-09-02 15:42

      @Komasa, defending the indefensible again? Geez, if you are not an ANC cadre, on the take, then you are a proper Wan**r.

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 15:51

      @Slapper not defending just stating fact. My party membership card is red, and wan**r is what you do on friday nights.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-02 16:51

      what do you know about the da,nothing except the propaganda that the anc have been feeding you.The DA have nothing to prove but the anc who have been in power for 17 years have not yet proved themselves

      Grant - 2011-09-02 17:26

      Leave the stupid people to drown themselves. If they WANT to follow in the footsteps of their Zimbabwean brothers, they can end up living in pain and starvation too. Remember dumbasses - when YOU are in control, you have nobody to blame but yourselves! Shun the whites, drive out the skills, and take the farms... ...and then join the hundreds of UK advertisements calling for help for the poor starving children. Much love! x

  • Bloodbane_3 - 2011-09-02 15:03

    This is why I say SA is not a true democracy and why the ANC run's the show like a dictator. The only reason they wont budge on that issue is they need protection against their wrong doings.

  • Nicolai - 2011-09-02 15:04

    So this is how Liberty Thunderous applaus...

  • amabok - 2011-09-02 15:07

    To be struck down by the court but the cANCer is no different and in fact probably more dangerous than the Apartheid NATs

      Michael007 - 2011-09-02 15:24

      Atleast the Apartheid NAT's where much better at running this country than the ANC!

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-02 16:54

      I wonder if this is what the NATS were trying to protect us from.

  • johnw78 - 2011-09-02 15:08

    I thought we removed the apartheid regime but apparently it's back. :( Sad day in SA politics! Come on ANC this is not what Mandela fought for!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-02 16:51

      Yip, with vengeance!

  • Heidi - 2011-09-02 15:11

    I for one will not rely on the new chief judge.

      TheMagician - 2011-09-02 15:19

      we own the con court now so you imperial thugs might as well just go back to where you came from because now we will do as we please in our own country

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:24

      @TheMagician - You don't own jack####, you are just a pawn and nothing more. You are the very first to die of hunger when all talent and skill has left the country. Your kind has lost all respect, you can't even redeem yourself so why should we have any sympathy for you? We should just leave and watch you kill each other for survival.

      CyberDog - 2011-09-02 15:39

      @ Themagician: Just to help you get an education, Even though it is apparent that you find education rather cumbersome and irrelevant ..... According to a dictionary: Imperialism, is "the creation and/or maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural, and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination"... WoW, that describes the ANC to the Letter..... Who are you calling an imperialist again ... And, then again, the ANC are all run by thugs, the irony of calling anyone else a Imperial Thug is clearly lost on you, oh, Zenith of Tardiness...

      Komasa - 2011-09-02 15:41

      Another JM in the making, boetie who calls themself TheMagician. Are you still hanging with the makwedini.

      Slapper - 2011-09-02 15:44

      @the Magish.. You own nothing mate. Having stolen goods in your possession does not equate to ownership…. Oh, and its not over yet.

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:49

      @TheMagician - We can't even trust your kind running a sewage plant, need proof? Go check the one in Gauteng. What a disgrace your political party is...the whole world is laughing at you and each and every day you lose credibility and only proves that you are the most incompetent race to have ever lived.

  • Whatnow? - 2011-09-02 15:15

    Concourt, gird your loins, trouble is coming to visit you! I hope that you do your job correctly and find this whole mess of pottage UNconstitutional!!

  • Heini - 2011-09-02 15:15

    And here we all were thinking we live in a free democracy! What a joke!!

      Reason - 2011-09-02 15:34

      Anybody who was thinking this is a free democracy is dillusional!! The extent of our "freedom" is if you agree with the ANC then you're free to do and say whatever you like, if not you are free to either leave the country or die.

      Fred - 2011-09-02 15:49

      When did you ever think you were living in a free democracy. Since 1994 corruption has been rife and their control has been absolute over the country.

  • Davearch - 2011-09-02 15:17

    Petition Obama .. Would love to hear his comment !!

      AnimalFarm - 2011-09-02 15:22

      Obama will do faarkol for us mate!

  • Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:20

    More reason to leave this God forsaken country, leave it for dogs to rot. May those that worked hard leave in peace and harmony, prosper and contribute where they will be appreciated and for those fat cats in the ANC...well may your greed cost your life and wellbeing and have the opportunity for us all to see you suffer dearly for your corrupt ways.

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-02 15:44

      The ANC have f...ked up this country just like Mugabe did to Zimbabwe.

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:52

      Businesses and taxpayers should boycott our government, we should not tolerate this any longer. Stop paying tax and providing support for the poor so they can actually realise what they are busy destroying, they might actually start appreciating what they have instead of destroying it. We need a revolution of our own and the sooner we moer the ANC and show them who is boss "The people" the sooner we can rebuild this country.

      leonard - 2011-09-02 17:52

      At 60 plus, no real money of which to speak what do I do?Believe me, many are not of the age group but many,many don`t have the money to leave.Now what!!!!!!!!!

  • ikabot - 2011-09-02 15:23

    Stop debating the contents of this bill. It's been classified.

  • Charles - 2011-09-02 15:24


  • Serame - 2011-09-02 15:26

    Thanx to SOWETAN forn this..They fueled it with the Explicit Cop sex scandal on first page,Im sure sum1 in parliament used that publication as an example to support the content of their view on Info Bill.the article was easily accessed by kidz under age etc,and the damage to kidz of the implicated morons will suffer 4 a long time..The Sowetan editor was irresponsible and must be fired / forced to resign..

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:28

      No the idiots making the video in the first place should be educated and learn some responsibility.

  • Stephan Janse van Vuuren - 2011-09-02 15:28

    It isn't over till the Constitutional Court sings!

  • Karin - 2011-09-02 15:28

    Another waste of the taxpayers money. This is unconstitutional!

  • Serame - 2011-09-02 15:36

    @Wayne Hayes ..I understand where u cumng from ..I agree with u 101% dat the implicated morons deserved what came to them..but the poor kidz???I BET TO DIFFER..Can u imagine the degree of humiliation thos kidz get subjected to everyday??

  • Ben - 2011-09-02 15:36

    There goes our label as a liberal country. The fkin Nats did this as well back in the day...

      Michael007 - 2011-09-02 15:42

      Please man, The NAT's where much better at running this country than these ANC thugs!!!

  • zibha - 2011-09-02 15:37

    I am a Journalist too ... I really feel sadden by these news , at this moment i am speechless...

  • Pinkfoot - 2011-09-02 15:38

    What happened to......"The people shall govern?"

      Doublepost - 2011-09-02 22:48

      A pipe dream nothing more. Democracy, as it is today, has got to be one of the greatest cons ever pulled on the ignorant masses.

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-02 15:39

    Parliament is a farce. All ANC MP,s like sheep vote as one. As long as the majority of SA vote on skin colour at election time. Our democracy is a farce. Maybe in 100 years we will have a proper democracy. At the moment it is an embarrassment to be a South African. This is the first step to tyranny.

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 15:40

    @TheMagician - I don't even have words for you. The fact that you know how to type completely and utterly astounds me, cause it requires a small amount of intelligence which you clearly do not possess. Don't you realize that it is in every citizen's interest that this bill does not pass? If you pay tax (doubt that you do cause your black) and the government steals money from the country, that a portion of that money comes directly from your hard earned (I know you probably don't work hard, but others do) salary! You are the quintessence (I know that's a big word for you, go look it up...) of stupidity. Please just die and stop stealing our oxygen!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-02 15:40

    So,the incompetent,corrupt thieves becomes the keeper of the key's to the gate of truth? Typical Africa,typical dictators

  • Sharkbite - 2011-09-02 15:41

    And there goes freedom of speech. Next stop, land reform. Next stop, nationalisation of mines. Next stop, Malema become ANC president. Next stop, Zim.

      Wayne Hayes - 2011-09-02 15:43

      We should fight for Cape Town to be independent. Kick out all the ANC supporters and take on all the farmers and people contributing to the country. That is the only solution I can think that might save us on the long run.

      Sharkbite - 2011-09-02 15:50

      I wouldn't go as far as say "kick out" anyone, nobody needs to be kicked out of the Cape unless they choose to leave. But I will definitely support an independent Western Cape. See, when you go to Cape Town, you suddenly find yourself in a whole different country, where race really doesn't matter. The people there (black, white, coloured, Indian, Asian) only care about their city being the best on the country. And they have seen that they get that under the DA, so they're not scared to vote for them. Which is what it should be like. If that can happen in the rest of SA, we'll be saved. If not, well, I vote for an independent Cape!

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 16:17

      I don't mind race but I do mind having ANC supporters ruining our future, thus I would love to kick them out once Western Cape goes independent.

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 15:43

    @Komasa - That definitely includes the whites that are in agreement with this absurd law as well. This has nothing to do with race, but simply right and wrong.

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 15:45

    This is bull!!!! As the people, we have the power to stop this if we stand together! We don't have to take this! Governments should fear their people, not the other way around. We forget to often that they are supposed to be working for us! I say we stand united and fight this injustice! Who is with me?

  • TDK1 - 2011-09-02 15:49

    I still don't understand why damn anc is doing these, imposing NHI and this bill unto us. What exactly are they trying to hide with this bill? As a nation we should take the matter to the Concourt. It is clear that people are against it but they arrogantly go ahead with it. I hope those who continue to vote for anc see what is happening. This info will be enforced to ensure that no scandalous activities about certain ministers are leaked to the media. Certainly those scandals are bound to reach our ears and media because even senior officials within the anc circles and presidency leak info.

  • Pragmatist - 2011-09-02 15:51

    The scary thing is.... these clowns in parliament are the best the anc has to offer!

  • Torgy - 2011-09-02 15:53

    So the writing on the barn has just been changed and the pitbulls are turning against the pigs as per George Orwell's Animal Farm

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 15:56

    @Wayne Hayes - With respect, I disagree with you. Why must we always flee? How about fighting for something you believe in, and what's rightfully your anyway? Besides, this is a battle we can win! Keep in mind, that not all of our innocent fellow South Africans are fortunate enough to be able to immigrate... I refuse to leave them behind. I'd rather stay and fight, and if it comes to that, to die with them. We have to stand together now, not run!

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 16:14

      Staying and fighting will only end in a race war which this is not, just the government being incompetent. There is no way of winning against 20 million people that associate us with criminals and accusing us of nonsense such as stealing their lands. Also how do you manage to rebuild your life after such a war? I'd rather pay the R100 000 to immigrate and save myself from a life of pain and be happy and prosper elsewhere.

      vanilla34 - 2011-09-02 18:34

      @patriot777..We just need our own sovereign state! I will fight for that, not for SA, SA isn't my country anymore and the ANC has made that very clear, for the rest of you... TAKE IT! STAY in SA! ...comrades

  • Brenda01 - 2011-09-02 15:58

    ANC is abusing its power, this is not what Mandela fought for....I'm so disgusted with the ANC!

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-02 16:52

      We all are Brenda. I just hope justice will prevail in the end.

  • Charles - 2011-09-02 16:00


  • Caroline - 2011-09-02 16:15

    What are you all complaining about? Zuma is doing things the African way. Just like H. F. Verwoerd did.

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 16:20

      If you want to justify his acts please go to

      Caroline - 2011-09-02 16:24

      @Wayne, I think you missed the irony....

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 16:21

    @VWayne - That's the problem. You think about yourself, but not your fellow South Africans who cannot leave. It has always been, and will always be a race war in South Africa. Clearly we cannot coexist. Don't underestimate the power of the white minorities. We have intelligence on our side....

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 16:26

      Trust me I feel sorry for my fellow South Africans, my father is terminally ill and the idea of leaving him behind is heart wrenching. Yes we are more powerful and having money on our side does give us a lot of advantage, but when is it enough? Who do we kill? The ANC supporters needs to live in the harshest conditions possible without whites in sight, only then will they realize what they have done. If a war breaks loose hopefully other countries will take on refugees, I'm sure places like Australia will help out.

  • googling - 2011-09-02 16:31

    The govt can do as much covering up as it wants in the printed press. The truth will come out in the electronic media. Are they going to ban Facebook, Twitter and Google?

      Lab-Rat - 2011-09-02 16:55

      They can't do that but they will imprison those who publish any content on those sites.

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 17:03

      Create a group - Go to a internet Cafe and post it from a fake facebook account. If there is a will there is a way.

  • Patriot777 - 2011-09-02 16:32

    @Wayne - We kill the criminals and wrongdoers. That pretty much includes the entire f@cking ANC... However, you do have a point, and I ubderstand where your coming from. I just can't bring myself to run, this time I'm fighting and I 'm sure as hell not leaving my people, friend and family behind. Sorry about your father. I can't begin to understand how tough that must be. Good luck Bud.

      Caroline - 2011-09-02 16:42

      Apart from Concourt challenges, one of the best possible ways to fight the ANC is for those of us in the Western Cape to get stuck into poverty upliftment & job creation projects that work. So that the message goes out amongst the poorest of the poor: the ANC are stealing from you and are not going to give you a better life. Take your vote elsewhere.

      Wayne - 2011-09-02 16:45

      Thanks Patriot777 @Caroline - Isn't that we have been doing for the past few years? We cleaned up Cape Town and yet we are seen as the apartheid party where only whites benefit. The best retaliation would be if the biggest companies and taxpayers hold the country ransom and oust the ANC out of the government. I still feel we should leave and let them suffer, but as Patriot stated not everyone can leave due to being old or not able to afford the immigration.

      Caroline - 2011-09-02 17:21

      More educated middle class blacks are starting to get the message and move over to the DA, now it's the poor who need to get it. So no, I don't think we're seen as the apartheid party etc by everyone, but that's what the ANC would like everybody to believe. That perception has already started to change - it's talk on the ground and visible results that'll make that happen even faster - and it's the only hope this country has.

  • Lab-Rat - 2011-09-02 16:44

    The final nail in democracies coffin.

  • umhlopo - 2011-09-02 16:47

    screw them,they wont get away with it,no one is untouchable

  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-02 17:17

    Dark times....

  • jvl - 2011-09-02 18:00

    I suggest,a fund is started,all those who support just and transparent goverment can donate.It will be used to defend future whistleblowers,up to and including the constitutional court.If money is the only way to assure rule of law,let us start the fund sooner then later...

  • fraidycat - 2011-09-02 21:16

    Does anybody see the free-for-all coming???? Everything will be marked as national security and we will never hear about the thieves raping this country again! ANC 1 SA 0

  • John Paul - 2011-09-02 22:18

    This is another step in the enslavement, oppression, exploitation, of the South African People by the A Abortion N Murder C Genocide and communist party.

  • GEvans - 2011-09-03 08:19

    There is still Wikileaks, Twitter, Facebook, etc. And News24 came move to Maputo same way LM radion did in the 1970s. Vee haf vays und means!

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