Insults fly in Western Cape ANC

2012-12-10 09:07

Cape Town - Western Cape ANC leaders are divided on a proposal to allow the party's top six to serve an unbroken 10-year-term, it was reported on Monday.

The Cape Times reported that provincial secretary Songezo Mjongile was against chairperson Marius Fransman's proposal for national executive committee members to be elected every five years and the top six every 10.

Fransman reportedly wanted to take the proposal to the party's 53rd elective conference in Mangaung this week, and said it would stabilise the ANC.


However, Mjongile said the proposal did not reflect the views of the province.

"It is not a provincial position at all. If we take such a position, it will be undemocratic. It is draconian... it is akin to dictatorship," he said.

The secretary said that toying with such an idea would lead to changing the constitution and electing "life presidents".

Fransman told the newspaper he could not believe Mjongile's comments.

"It is politically stupid. It is stupidity at its highest level. If anyone says there has been no instability in the last two years and the last few months, it is being stupid. I stand by what I say."

  • heini.botes - 2012-12-10 09:11

    Hehehe, keep on fighting guys, your making the DA look like rock stars!! I have an better idea, why don't you disbant the cANCer in the Western Cape rather?

      honey.deelishus - 2012-12-10 09:18

      What next - President for ten years? or for life maybe? Been getting lessons from Uncle Mad Bob Mugabe obviously.At least it shows that some cANCerous members are not completely stupid.

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-12-10 10:09

      Fransman could not believe Mjongile's cooments.Fransman if your vision is blurred by selfinterest,it make's it hard to believe the truth.

      mart.botha - 2012-12-10 10:40

      The ANC is dragging the moniker 'Micky Mouse' deep down into the mud with them. This has to be the most ineffective herd of kleptocrats assembled for one purpose ever. They opitomise the phrase 'epic fail'. What they continue to do, day in and day out, is not constructively engage, but resembles more a form of jousting for position. If this was a business in the true sense of the word, it would be bankrupt, dead and buried. All the ANC is effective at doing is creating new struggles for the people.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 11:03

      @kagiso...referring to Helen Zille as a madam is such a insult, or can i refer to our leaders as bush babies?? As far as Helen Zille being perfect, why don't you find some 'dirt' on her, i.e corruption, theft, looting, nepotism etc....then we will talk again. Now run along

      kuno.tschumi.5 - 2012-12-10 11:07

      @Kagiso - you right madam is also not perfect, but compared with your ANC morons she is godlike. At least madam works for the betterment of the people and not for the betterment of party cronies and thieves. Can you tell me one positive thing zoomer did since he became president of this beautiful country.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 11:21

      @Kuno...Well said boet

      lsfreak - 2012-12-10 11:37

      10yrs to life... Just sounds good somehow....... Oh behind bars there we go :D :D

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 11:48

      I'm afraid the negatives outweight the positives by 100-fold! It's like a man giving Aids to 10 woman and their 30 children but it's ok cause he's a good father.

      francoisjacques.malan - 2012-12-10 11:56

      @kagiso South Africa is ranked last in education, behind Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Iran etc. All those firsts will disappear soon when this lost generation will have to rule!

      wo0two0t - 2012-12-10 13:24

      Kagiso – How was the state of your so called bantu education before Dr. W.M. Eiselen and Dr. Hendrik F. Verwoerd? To be fair why should they care about educating your people if you or your chiefs didn’t even really care about education in the first place - if they did please please provide proper proof – they didn’t build any schools or invest in education even today they would rather spend 200mill on the president’s private home than a school that can benefit many kids for many years to come WHY?! Because they would rather keep you stupid so you can’t think for yourself then spend our money on themselves – and you support it.. Taking about shooting yourself in the foot.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 14:55

      @kagiso....I believe WootWoot asked you a questio, let me help again:"How was the state of your so called bantu education before Dr. W.M. Eiselen and Dr. Hendrik F. Verwoerd? To be fair why should they care about educating your people if you or your chiefs didn’t even really care about education in the first place"? Respond please. To google government figures doesn't make you look smart by the way, just shows your scew perception on what's actually going on around you. And who the hell would want Verwoerd back anyway??

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 15:04

      Apartheid and whites are quickly blamed for anything and everything that has gone wrong and still going wrong in this country. Let me ask you this, if 60-odd years of apartheid is to blame (And i thought apartheid was something horrible) for everything, what is the rest of Africa's excuse?? It's full of these 'cANCer' revolution parties everywhere, why all the poor, why all the hunger, why all the disease etc?? Whose fault is that, the world? If you think the ANC is the best thing for this country, then my friend i'm afraid we have under estimated the level of your stupidness. As i've said before, NO liberation movement have ever has success forever, even the Roman Empire could'nt lead forever

      wo0two0t - 2012-12-10 15:30

      Ok Kagiso thanks for the stats – tell me this do you think all that was solely paid for and done by the ANC and their comrades without any outside intervention? Do you think that could have only be done by the ANC do you think no other political party could have done the same if not better? Do you think the ANC used the funds supplied by the hard working tax payers to the best of their ability – if that’s what you think then you have no hope and I feel sorry for you and all the people like you. Just because one party namely the NP created Apartheid you think every white party supports it and will bring it back and you would rather support a corrupt self-enriching party out of racism – good luck with going forward with corrupt politicians at your side. Too scared to answer the previous q?

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 15:37

      @Kagiso...Where did i say the apartheid idiots were my heroes or i agreed with them? It's a pity you feel that way about the DA. A visit to Cape Town maybe? Home of Newsmaker of the year 2006, home of mayor of the year across the world 2008, a former journalist and anti-apartheid activist and was one of the journalists who exposed the truth behind the death of Black Consciousness leader Steve Biko etc. In short, she has more credentials than the modern day cANCer put together, oh and se has matric ;-)

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-12-10 18:16

      @ Kagiso Booi. You are obiously a product of the ANC's education systems. The rankings where SA preform well are exactly those areas that fall outside government control. Why don't you tell us the persentage of black, (darkie black), auditors in SA? After 20 years the black racist regime pushed SA to 2nd last in education, and life expectancy decreased by 10years. If you want to boast about the black racist regime find something that weren't achieved by mostly whites.

      solo.mathe.5 - 2012-12-10 21:23

      There is no reason to argue about this. DA policies are an enigma because they spent more time pointing fingers at the ANC instead of promoting themselves. They are the product of apartheid and they know it. They can fool some, but not all. There's absolutely no proof that they can govern SA better than the ANC. Bunch of liars led by the autocratic madam with zero tolerance for competition for the DA top post.

      heini.botes - 2012-12-11 08:33

      @ Solo...No proof?? When last have you been in Cape Town??? How is that for proof! And as far as a product of apartheid, are you kidding me? The leader was an open activist against apartheid, and fought hard at bringing it down! See you suffer from the same 'sheep-sindrome' all you cANCer card holders. Your right, theres no need to argue cause you have no leg to stand on.

  • patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-12-10 09:12

    We demand to steal as much as possible, for as long as possible! Viva the ANC, viva!

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-12-10 10:08

      Five years not enough time for complete plundering and enrichment. Need ten years which may just be enough@!!!!!!

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-12-10 09:13

    Calling a black African "stupid" in the ANC is....stupid.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-10 09:34

      In the Wc a spade is called a spade and no one complain.

      vic.hammond.77 - 2012-12-10 09:37

      Case of "Pot calling the Kettle Black!" Fransman is also stupid, but keep up the infighting; I enjoy every minute of it !!

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-12-10 11:27

      I hope they get rid of this idiot fransman, .......or maybe not, it's instances like this that is strengthening the DA. Keep it up idiots!!

  • carpejugulim - 2012-12-10 09:16

    I could probably consider something like that if you lot were remotely competent at what you were elected to do but sadly you aren't so I won't

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-12-10 10:34

      The constitution of South Africa does not allow for the ruling party president to have longer than 2 five year terms. Once the ANC loses power and stop governing they can of course do as they like as long as when they are in power they abide by the constitution. Their competence does not come into it unfortunately. If it was just a matter of competence they would still be on the side lines.

  • mike.clery - 2012-12-10 09:17

    Mr Fransman, you're the one being "politically stupid". Do you think things through or is it always just a knee-jerk reaction with you? There are surely solutions to your "instability" problem, rather than the workaround that you're proposing to avoid dealing with the problem.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-12-10 09:17

    Fransman needs to go for medical checkup. thats like proposing dictatorship.

  • ad.madock - 2012-12-10 09:18

    Nou raak die mense darem desperate!!

  • - 2012-12-10 09:21

    "It is politically stupid. It is stupidity at its highest level..... it is being stupid. I stand by what I say." Hell Marius Fransman - speaking of yourself I dare say! If the shoe fits bru... wear it! Day by day the ruling party proves that they have no clue of democracy and I hope the inner fighting escalates and the ANC becomes a "black hole" and implodes. No pun intended!

  • sisie.indola - 2012-12-10 09:22

    Welcome to the Land of Sunshine! Hail the dictator Hail!

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 09:41

      You are wrong sisie, this is Africa and it's called dick-tator

  • ana.curcic - 2012-12-10 09:25

    Is it Fransman or FARSEMAN ?

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-10 09:26

    Well, at least now we know they know the quality of their own leaders.

  • dirk.naude.12 - 2012-12-10 09:27

    Will the parasites even last another 10 years?

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-10 09:30

      God I hope not

  • rob.gunning.1 - 2012-12-10 09:28

    ANC dictatorship on the rise again.

  • adriaan.vlok - 2012-12-10 09:31

    Great, the longer they serve (really wrong word) the more they will self destruct, without the risk of not being elected they will cause more chaos, unfortunately it will lead to short term suffering for normal citizens... long term will ANC will rapidly loose more ground, why stop at 10 years, go for 30....!

  • harald.voney - 2012-12-10 09:39


  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-12-10 09:39

    Amazing the depth of thought and intelligence displayed by Fransman. So, we have instability, corruption and mismanagement. Solution, entrench the current management team for ten years. Either he really is stupid and cannot understyand that ten years of instability, corruption and mismanagement will be the outcome..... or ......he thinks the voters are stupid enough to think that once the ten year tenure is installed the instability, corruption and mismanagement will magically disappear. Fransman,you seem to follow the comedian principle.......... Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Groucho Marx

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-12-10 10:07

      Lovely. criticallyhonest - you made my day.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-10 14:03


  • roman.caesar.121 - 2012-12-10 09:40


  • chris.vandermerwe.560 - 2012-12-10 09:42

    What happens if the IFP or DA takes-over within the 10 year period or is it that they are planning on (entitlement) golden hand shakes????

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-12-10 09:49

      Who? What? Did u say DA or IFP? Lol lol lmao pssssssshh lol. 3 words for u: keep on dreaming

      morton.christie - 2012-12-10 11:23

      Maybe Mkoko wishes the anc start murdering all the DA leaders like they have done to the IFP in KZN.

  • eduard.louw - 2012-12-10 09:47

    Difference between stagnant and stable. Die een is net vrotter as die ander een.

  • SirFGrumpy - 2012-12-10 09:48

    The ANC are certainly living up to their title of Another National Circus!

  • annelise.vanderschyff - 2012-12-10 09:56

    Lekker inter fighting beginning of the end for the circus!!!!!

  • eland.snitbul - 2012-12-10 10:05

    haha well it's good to know there are some clever individuals within the ANC... otherwise they all would have voted for this stupid idea like drones. The more they fight the more the other parties look like rock stars baby!

  • steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-12-10 10:12

    Man Frans jy is net te dom vir woorde!!!!

  • jaco.declerck - 2012-12-10 10:17

    Once again Fransman is making a mockery of the system. Grow some grey matter between your ears. You are a little guppie in a big pond, the big fish are going to eat you alive!!!!!

  • Buntu Zengetwa - 2012-12-10 10:18

    fransman is an ass

  • blatherwick.ashburner - 2012-12-10 10:22

    Fransman should know know stupidity when he sees it. After all, he is an expert idiot and expedient brown noser.

  • maria.roth.589 - 2012-12-10 10:24

    I wonder what Zuma has promised old Marius or perhaps he is just doing it on the off chance that he will be rewarded by his grateful political bosses. Please tell me why Zuma was elected in the first place was it not because Mbeki had ideas about a one party state and a life time tenure.That would not give anybody else a chance to get fabulously wealthy with a limited education.

  • mmoledis - 2012-12-10 10:36

    No no no no I also agree with that person refusing that, as this will lead to ANC being a party like communist China and in this country we do not want that. If that can be passed at Mangaung it will break lot of things and trust people had to the ruling party because they will be then taking a one party rule that way and make South Africa a one party state like China. This is not democracy at all, and if it happens it seems the constitution of this country should change too in order to allow that the president is by law allowed to be in power for ten years without being challenged no no no no that is going to take us to dictatorship and is what we do not want, let people vote for a person they want and that person be in charge of this country for only five years and can be voted for his or her second term if people still want him or her and if not then stay out of the way for those who are voted in. Lastly the president of this country should only serve two terms and then back down automatically and give other people within a party a chance to shine too and take the country further if during his or her term did not do enough or nothing at all. No to dictatorship, no to one party state, no to a personal ruler and lastly no to corruption as that ten years that is proposed will lead to more frauds and corruption within the government.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-10 14:36

      People still "trust" the cANCer?!?!?!

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-10 10:42

    and so the slow death begins, now it's ten, soon it'll creep up to 15 and before you know it, it'll be for life with their children stepping in when they die or step down.. welcome to the 'African way'

      solo.mathe.5 - 2012-12-10 20:33

      You sound depressed .... Need a rope? ... A sturdy tree branch? .... No?... Then, calm down...

  • simon.templer.549 - 2012-12-10 10:43

    Let's look at it from the other side. With the incompetence of the present ANC six, the DA has nothing to do but gain. After all, the DA won more support in the WC on their watch. A competent ANC leading team may change that. Political history informs us that uncertainty in one's own capability to rule often leads to legislative imposition of extended tenure. Real leaders have no fear of an elective process and regular review of performance.

  • Erna - 2012-12-10 10:47

    Fransman calling someone else stupid is funny.

  • siphoza.zandela - 2012-12-10 10:47

    Fransman and his goons make the coloureds in Cape Town look stupid.They aren't stupid, so they should chase Fransman out of the Western Cape or burn his house down.

      raymond.dick.12 - 2012-12-10 11:44

      No, No! We want him here. He makes the cANCer look even more stupid. On a point of order: We Capetonians don't understand this term 'coloured' ~ we are all just Capetonians!

      solo.mathe.5 - 2012-12-10 20:18

      @Raymond. Capetonians is a random term and not a race. Coloureds in Capetown do know the term 'coloured' ...

  • mshiniboys - 2012-12-10 10:52

    Stooping to a new low level.

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-12-10 10:56

    They will even do less cause I'm voted in now and only have to start working or brown nosing in 8years. Stupid idea. Should make it 4years too keep them on their toes.

      raymond.dick.12 - 2012-12-10 11:45

      Should just 'can' the party. (pun intended)

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-12-10 11:07

    What a bunch of idiots/crooks/corrupt ANC people we have here in Cape Town/the country. They cannot even live with themselves never mind the rest of the people.

  • paul.cunliffe.315 - 2012-12-10 11:08

    @kagiso, you are a troll and your comments not worthy of publication. Has the idea ever crossed your mind that the "Madame (sic)" does a decent job and has the support of her party, and that's why she is unopposed, on the other hand Fransman is not competent enough to do a 1 month term.

  • mzuvukile.mbanjana - 2012-12-10 11:18

    It is disturbing when people call other names, because of their opposing views. Fransma is not responding to the statement that say, his view cannot be taken to Mangaung because its not a collective view, of which that is correct. Fransmam raises something that is not under question, though its related. He is behaving as if there won't be ANC after Mangaung and work with the very same person he refers to him as stupid. I'm sorry to say this, he himself is behaving like stupid.

      Pieter van Staden - 2012-12-10 12:15

      fransie is a di# khead finish and kla.

  • Danie Gerber - 2012-12-10 11:24

    Why 10 years? Because the ANC know that next years voting will be their last.

  • Cameron - 2012-12-10 11:49

    Lol Standard....

  • earle.francis.9 - 2012-12-10 12:32

    Fransman and Ehrenreich are both braindead maaifoedies!!!

  • earle.francis.9 - 2012-12-10 12:43

    Yet again the ruling party proves how consistent it is. It consistently sets itself such low standards, and consistently fails to meet them. When you look at the make up of "it"... even Zuma should understand this!

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-10 13:38

    all SA wanted was to vote for its own political party democratically the ANC....that was the wish of all black South Africans....the decline in the 2009 election was that most black ppl did not go out to vote like they did in 1994....coz they believed a black is power their goal is let the constitution change nd cancel the National elections....will vote after 100 yrs nd only hold internal ANC elections every after change leadership....

      heini.botes - 2012-12-10 14:06

      I sure hope this was an attempt to comedy, otherwise I'm afraid this must be the dumbest thing i've ever read. Cannot and believe not anyone can be that stupid

  • stshefu - 2012-12-10 14:01

    trust me the ANC aint going down anytime soon...u ppl should wake up and stop living in the FairyLand...this is SOUTH AFRICA the home of the >>>ANC!!!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-10 14:39

      FairyLand or dark HorrorLand... decisions decisions... there is always hope.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-12-10 14:11

    It is stupidity at its highest level?. Fransman is again speaking about himself.

  • impi.masondo - 2012-12-10 14:41

    the anc must rule the western cape to make better place for all not only for da

  • wayne.faulds - 2012-12-10 15:05

    Trying to guarentee himself a job is our Marius.

  • tebogo.makaneta - 2012-12-10 19:07

    Fransman is just overreacting. You don't call people stupid for disagreeing with reasons. Like one said, he just wants to make sure that people have enough time to continue stealing.

  • braddo.ct - 2012-12-10 22:16

    Fransman is really an intense embarrassment to the progressive people of the Western Cape. The DA must be thrilled to bits that the African National Congress is so shortsighted that it foists Marius Fransman and his cabal on us come elections.

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-12-11 03:01

    Fransman must just focus on eating snoek fish and quite drinking cheap Groënburger wine that is making him to be powerdrunk. In fact he would do well to assist us to tell his people not to be over-concentrate in the Western Cape and that RSA is big enough for all of them!

  • Terence Hermanus - 2012-12-11 05:16

    phumi.. we trying to get away from the likes of you and your cANCer... in nature every creature tends to move away from danger... you starting to get the picture hay? though i sincerely doubt it seeing your stance on normality...