Judgment soon in 'shoot the boer' case

2011-09-05 22:17

Johannesburg - Judgment in the "shoot the boer" hate speech trial of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema will be handed down next week, AfriForum said on Monday.

The date could not be confirmed by the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg, but the civil rights group said it had been told by Judge Collin Lamont's assistant that the hearing would begin at 09:30 on Monday.

AfriForum Youth opened a civil case against Malema in the Equality Court after he sang the words "dubhula ibhunu", which translate to "shoot the boer", at a number of ANCYL gatherings.

It believed the words were threatening to minorities and a threat to the safety of Afrikaners and farmers.

The action was supported by Tau-SA and the Association of Lawyers for Afrikaans.

The trial featured a number of witnesses who testified on the relevance of the song as part of the dismantling of apartheid and its place in history.

During his own testimony, Malema spoke of the ANCYL's policy on nationalisation and on land reform.

Malema and five other ANCYL office-bearers have been brought before the ANC's disciplinary committee. Proceedings were postponed last week and resume on Sunday.

The subject of the hearing includes comments they made about supporting the opposition in Botswana to enable a change of government. The ANC has charged that the six have brought the party into disrepute.

The hate speech trial attracted large crowds of curious bystanders and Malema supporters in April.

Malema lost an earlier hate speech case in which he suggested the woman who accused President Jacob Zuma of rape had a "nice time".

Malema was fined R50 000.

  • My2c - 2011-09-05 22:33

    As die aNc sy rug op jou draai, doen hy dit vinnig en drasties. Jou vet gaan braai ou dikkes

  • Nuraq - 2011-09-05 22:35

    Oh dear, this must certainly present a problem to the ANCYL logistics committee. Supporters now need to be bussed in to an additional venue. Limited supporters, limited busses, limited funds (or maybe not), two venues, different times. Going to be a tall order to co-ordinate all the trashing of Jo'burgs streets.

      william.botha - 2011-09-05 22:53

      Eish, a few tenders and the cost are covered by taxpayers.

      Atholl - 2011-09-06 00:22

      Nuraj .... the invasion .... don't forget the invasion .... By Monday morn we could be invaded by the incorruptible Botswana task force -- armed and ready to strike at the Union Buildings. ... napalm in the morning ... TnT for lunch ... and shrapnel for dinner ...

      Tc - 2011-09-06 07:10

      Nuraq, the Mpumalanga government will finance the buses to get supporters to the venues, unless, if the Mpumalanga government has already emptied their coffers.

  • Powering Africa - 2011-09-05 23:25

    Looks like a perfect storm for mini-Mugabe Malema coming up this week - I hope that this "economic ruin in our lifetime" racist nascent dictator has the book thrown at him, by the Equality Court, as well as the ANC bosses - never mind the (suddenly cash strapped) Public Prosecutor & investigative journalists. There must be a lot of nervous tender-preneurs & Juju cronies in Limpopo right now. Nuraq - great comment!

  • Verdade - 2011-09-06 00:41

    We are waiting on this one....

  • frankm - 2011-09-06 01:01

    Nothing will happen to this stupid picaninni, he is too well supported and the news media are only making it worse, if they stop reporting on the little turd, then he would not be so well known. He is thriving on all the attention and publicity. But not to worry, like all turds he will soon be flushed away

      cliffarc - 2011-09-06 01:37

      - the big question is whether the judge will be impartial and free of any outside political influencing.

  • Mandla - 2011-09-06 01:42

    What is the roll of Afriforum in New South Africa.Do we need such organisation.There was a huge outcry when black jurnalist tried to group together to form a Black jurnalist forum which excluded the rest of the so called black people.

      Alwyn de Bruyn - 2011-09-06 02:26

      Just google what is Afriforum before you go talking about exclusive groups. Who knows you might get a kick out of the irony of South African citizens discussing your post in an open forum.

      Mandla - 2011-09-06 05:31

      Alwyn de Bruyn-did not get your point,clarify.(you might get a kick out of the irony of South African citizens discussing your post in an open forum)I thought it was an organisation opperating within the constitution.

      tkotze - 2011-09-06 07:46

      Mandla, maybe I can assist. If you speak Afrikaans and you want to prevent the death of the culture then Afriforum is your "maatjie". It is not racial, it is cultural. It has nothing to do with colour. Similarly the Boesman, Xhosas or Zulus could start a group to try and protect their cultures from being thrown to the side. Unfortunately the Boesman is the only one you really need this (from this list) and it is too late for them to do it on their own since their cultures was already thrown to the side due to their low numbers. Luckily historians still try to protect the Boesman, and I will definitely teach me children about them and the amazing culture they had. The Xhosas and Zulus are well presented in government and are the ones pushing out the other cultures, or at least it looks and feels like it.

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-06 07:53

      But then mandla do we need the CancER they are bigger asses in this country and they cause the biggest divide in SA,get your facts straight before you start typing.

      AllHoliday - 2011-09-06 09:08

      @ Mandla, I asume you know how to use the internet - now google Afriforum. You can see on their website what they stand for, they have no hiden agendas - like a lot of our politicians today!. They are also NOT a political party. Tel me what does the Black Business Forum stands for? Do we need such an organasation? Or the Black Lawyers Association (BLA)? Or how about the Black Business Executive Circle (BBEC)? To name only a few. Now you go and google the rest, see what they stand for and then you can report back to us! Tel me who support affirmative action, do we still need that in our country?

      SiyaPhambile - 2011-09-06 09:09

      If there was no racism towards Afrikaaners and white people in general, there would be no need for an organisation like Afriforum... as these individuals would be participating in government and working towards building our country as civil servants - not being forced to continuously fight for the rights of the minority. The Afrikaaner is in one of the the highest risk group in the world, as far as the threat of genocide goes. They are being systematically murdered and legislated into obscurity by a black nationalist government. Also Afriforum does not exclude black people, as there are millions of Afrikaans speaking black people in SA. I may be wrong, but I think that this is why there may be a need for Afriforum and the roll that they play in SA. New South Africa - hang your head in shame

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-09-06 04:10

    Right now Malema may be singing "kill myself".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Quino - 2011-09-06 04:50

    Proudly Coloured...I get to pick sides lol...I'll go with Doublepost

      PietPompies - 2011-09-06 07:12

      Do you really have to state that you are coloured?

  • Tsundzuka - 2011-09-06 06:15

    Such a waiste of my tax money. Afriforum, please dn't go on like the DA nd pretend you are speaking for ''the people'' when you are actually pushing a personal agenda re speaking for ''the people'' when you are actually pushing a personal agenda

      Jon JJ - 2011-09-06 07:12

      Absolutely spot on. Why is the ANC wasting the tax payers' money again to defend this useless meaningless song? By the way TSUNDZUKA, I didn't know that Afriforum uses the tax payer's money. Is the govenrment funding Afriforum? Very interesting.

      tkotze - 2011-09-06 07:55

      You forgot to mention what their personal agenda is, to protect a minority culture group in South Africa, the Afrikaners, from being marginalised by government and individuals. They are funded by the people they are speaking for. Why do you say the DA does not speak for the people? Are the people not voting more and more for the DA? Does that not directly imply that the people feel the DA is saying what they are feeling? The DA does not have the "street cred" that the ANC has, so people are not voting for the DA due to its history as they are with the ANC (something most ANC supported openly acknowledge, they vote for the ANC because they "freed" them), but for what they show today. In a democracy, is that not what you want? Government to be judged by what it is doing and its character compared to the individual voting for them? People will always disagree on political approaches, and this is normal and acceptable. People in democracies also tend to punish their government when corruption rears its head with their votes. This has not yet been seen in full swing in SA yes, but seems to be starting...

      Kleinjan - 2011-09-06 07:55

      You lack brains boy.

      Wizard101 - 2011-09-06 07:56

      Hey tsundzuka were do you get your information?And you keep on repeating yourself that is just dumb.Is it your first time on a forum?

      Felix - 2011-09-06 08:05

      Put your own face as your avatar, you're making your kid look stupid on a public forum.

      zena - 2011-09-06 08:07

      Advocating murder is what you then stand for Tsundzuka!!!!

      AllHoliday - 2011-09-06 09:29

      Tsundzuka, a little advise, if you do not know what you are talking about, it's best to keep quiet! Afriform DOES NOT use TAX money. They are NOT FUNDED by GOVERNMENT! They are NOT a political party. They are funded by membership fees and further they have volenteers who work 'pro bona', for the love of the country and its people.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-06 09:43

      The farmers feed the "people" you ignoramus.

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 09:45

      Dude....the ANC is a waiste of your tax money. Malema is a waist of your tax money. The SABC is a waist of your tax money. The state hospitals is waist for you tax money. this is a good cause.

      daaivark - 2011-09-06 09:51

      Watch that expanding waist, happycamper!

      24JD - 2011-09-06 14:19

      @Tshundzuka, " Such a waiste of my tax money. ANC, please dn't go on like the ANC nd pretend you are speaking for ''the people'' when you are actually pushing a personal agenda re speaking for ''the people'' when you are actually pushing a personal agenda

  • Jon JJ - 2011-09-06 07:06

    There can only be one possible ruling in this case and that is to ban this useless song that has no benefit to anyone except julius Malema. The song cannot be considered to be a heritage song as the word "shoot" is a "colonialist" term. Black Africans never had anything to shoot with...firearms were invented and introduced by the colonilaist and not Africans so how can "shoot" be a part of black South African's heritage. It's a bit like Europe arguing that "throw the assegai" is Europe's heritage. Really dumb.

  • Bloodstone - 2011-09-06 07:52

    “The trial featured a number of witnesses who testified on the relevance of the song as part of the dismantling of apartheid and its place in history.” Good, fine, excellent, but the bloody struggle is over and apartheid is dead! The senseless killing of farmers is not over! Seen in that context "dubhula ibhunu" is hate speech. It cannot be construed in any other way.

      MojoBa - 2011-09-06 14:14

      Agreed. The ANC knows that they will only keep getting the votes if they keep the general public angry about apartheid, even if it is over.

  • Felix - 2011-09-06 08:07

    Burn Jelly Tsotsi, run back to Zim.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-06 08:11

    Veld makes an excellent point, jbjoe. And where exactly does he show disrespect, except perhaps in suggesting that DOublepost is racist (quite corectly in my opinion)? And why should he show You respect? Who are you that you deserve such?

      Nunya - 2011-09-06 08:25

      @ VARK, Hey oupa go take a flying leap...your tea is getting cold....old fool.

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-06 08:36

      Old man, chose a culture and stick to it, You love pouring petrol on the fire hey, You must be one lonely old fool to keep playing both sides of the field, May i ask a question? Are you Gay?

      zena - 2011-09-06 09:06

      not once have you ever come up for your own kind on these forums, what do you really want to achieve cos you don't seem to be getting it right. Because Doublepost says how he feels, gives you the right to think that he is racist. You play a dangerous game.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-06 09:44

      naaivark grow some testicles.

      daaivark - 2011-09-06 09:54

      I prefer to opt for a multicultural country, thanks. I do not feel a need to "come up for my own kind" when my own kind demonstrate such vile hatred for people around them. With the greatest respect, the culture I grew up in strove for peace. I weep for the death of that culture. I may be older than you, but by God I have more humanity in my little finger than any of you. I don't play sides of a field. I play the game.

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 09:55

      daaivark...what are you really about? are you in favor of shooting some boere?? Agriforum is really trying to do the right thing and doing it by way of the judiciary system. Can you honestly say that Malema is good for the unity of this country? And I am sorry; I absolutely disagree with Veld. Obviously he underestimates the power and influence of a leader. this song is motivation for the black upraise and therefor you get criminal killings and politically motivated killings.

      daaivark - 2011-09-06 09:56

      Bloodriver, try something vaguely original, then I may just feel insulted. As it stands, you insult yourself by displaying your brilliance.

      zena - 2011-09-06 10:05

      daaivark, so it is your believe then that all whites demonstrate such vile hatred for people around them. And pray what do you say to those demonstrating an even viler hatred towards farmers(white) your reasoning is an eye for an eye makes it right then????

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-06 11:00

      naaivark what vile hatred are you referring to? It must be the black hatred of whites as evidenced in the thousands, yes thousands of brutal murders of white people, elderly, frail and even children, carried out by blacks. I dont see whites doing this to blacks...

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 11:56

      So its clear's all a game to you Daaivark. Please call that woman who's husband's face was smashed with a brick this weekend during the hijacking and tell her 1-0 in your favor.

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-06 08:13

    Wow Julius - the charges are mounting. One way or the other you are in deep trouble!

  • daaivark - 2011-09-06 08:13

    Of all those commenting on Veld, some using terms like "idiot" etc. the only one actually offering any form of articulate reasoning is Doublepost. I'd rather deal with an articulate reasoned racist than knee-jerk ones like the rest of them.

      Leon Groenewald - 2011-09-06 10:54

      I do not consider Double post to be a racist. His opinions are not typical of those who, through education, couch lounging or both have suckled to deeply at the teat of the mass media and liberalism and now regurgitates only popular remarks like a trained parrot. He has a desire for actualization separated from those whom have demonstrated nothing but the intent and desire to (by parasitic and murderous means) hinder the efforts of people longing for progress. (Progress, not as in the delusional and deluded liberal mind.) I have to agree though, he is articulate!

  • Baddy - 2011-09-06 08:23

    @Doublepost - All hail Doublepost..... :)

  • NJE - 2011-09-06 08:32

    @Doublepost..Apartheid WAS better than the current system now . Say thanks ur white.What was better then?

  • ian b - 2011-09-06 08:35

    Dont let this case deflect from the other issues of Malema's corruption with officials in Limpopo. Remember the ANC slogan "Working together we can steal more" Its a Fact Malema is a Fat Black Racist Bastard He is fat check his BMI He is Balack he has an overload of melanin He is Racist enough of his utterings on TV He is a bastard his parents never married

  • zelco - 2011-09-06 08:55

    you can say wateva but the honest truth is dat we the whites made the blacks wat they are because of aparthied. it was us who forcefully took their land, treated them like animal and forced a violent lifestyle into their lives which they will never be able to get rid of. apartheid left so much hatred in people which will take years to get over, if it ever does. this is nothing compared to what they experienced during apartheid

      zena - 2011-09-06 09:13

      Why are you pretending to be what you are not.....No matter what life throws at you, its up to each and every one of us to move pass that and not linger in the past and sorry but not every black was treated that way and nobody can force you to be violent, that is a choice you make to be that way. Stop blaming a system that has gone and trying to blame all whites for everything that went wrong. Where is the ubuntu that you preach.

  • SiyaPhambile - 2011-09-06 08:56

    I hope that Malema is found guilty - as his anti-white rhetoric goes far beyond the singing of a "struggle song" (which was actually proved not to even be an ANC song, and was not sung before democracy) Whereas I do not believe that Madiba is a saint; but he surely set the best example regarding reconciliation that I have ever seen/experienced. So in these matters, I have to follow his example and commit myself to nation building and reconciliation and a song about killing white people, has no place in our modern times.

  • stephen.cole1 - 2011-09-06 08:59

    'shoot the boer' is obviously "shoot the white" I wounder what would be done if the boot was on the other foot ?

  • Tolerant - 2011-09-06 09:34

    It could be fun seeing Malema running from and to the disciplinary session on Sunday to ? Wednedsay the court on Monday. He is more in courts and troubles than working.

  • Veld66 - 2011-09-06 09:41

    After reading some gabbage above here, one understands why Malema is relevant. I never support killing of anyone or support living separate from anyone because i know thats loads of balony. Doublepost is a proven sickracist here. This guy supports his white only STate which will never happen because this is an African nation and will always remain so.The only solution is for people to accept living together.

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 10:02

      how can we live together if white people don't have a recognized heritage here? All white people are "criminals serving out a life sentence" due to apartheid.

      Lanfear - 2011-09-06 10:08

      @ happycamper - perhaps its time that white people start to stand up for their heritage? Get their vim and vigour back? We are becoming more and more like the other citizens of this country i.e. denying any responsibility for anything and complaining endlessly while doing nothing.

      BloodRiver - 2011-09-06 11:03

      @lanfear agreed, we need to stand up and take action soon. I am actually ashamed of our apathy. We stand idly by while women, children and the elderly are murdered daily.

      Leon Groenewald - 2011-09-06 11:20

      Veld66, your opinion is globally relevant. It is important for the policy makers to know that all the money they spent on neuron-linguistic programming was not wasted. Please contact us and leave a message the moment you have formed an original opinion.

      White Oak - 2011-09-06 11:42

      veld66, All we are saying is treat us whities like we treated you back in them good ole apartheid days. Take revenge and banish ALL whites into a homeland...does not realy matter where. Make funds available like the Apartheid regime did and forget about the whities. Your problem solved. Our problem solved. Why do you want to hang on white people like a tick? Scared to go it alone? US Boere will make it work anywhere - just kick us out of Mandelatopia!

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 12:00

      So tell Lanfear - how do you propose do this? How do we get an end date to BEEE? How do I get myself a piece of land here in SA that belongs to the boere? how do I get a white player in the bafana-bafana?

  • Gina - 2011-09-06 10:07

    I really do think that the White nation must top to worrying about about the lives of our black people. They do not want to know anything regarding their president and his party. Think about yourselves and worry about your own families we are not going be helped by anyone. Malema and co are becoming martres amongst their followers by our continuous comments, less stress they are not worth it.

      Leon Groenewald - 2011-09-06 11:21

      Until one of them kills one dear to you because you slumbered in a liberal dream.

      happycamper - 2011-09-06 12:06

      We need to do something about Malema...he is growing stronger and stronger. it started with a song...then screaming and yelling at a reporter...then steeling and corrupt business...and now it's burning pictures of our president. I wonder what will happen if the AWB burnt some pictures of Zuma?

  • Adolf - 2011-09-06 12:37

    There is nothing to charge Mr Malema with,because the songs he sang was just to bring back the memories of what was happening in SA not a threat,even the next generation have to know and sing about these songs because those are the songs that saved the black diamonds from the colonialist."Forgive but never forget".by Gorbachev the junior.

  • - 2011-09-06 12:41

    What I think is that we all need to get over ourselves and start to think of making this country the great place it should and can be! What is wrong with everyone? The "struggle" is over for ALL of us we just have to wait until we all catch up with the programme, stop the hatred BS towards fellow human beings and start living!

  • DW - 2011-09-06 13:01

    Doesnt Malema have to be present when judgement is handed down? What if this clashes with his ANCYL disciplinary hearing? Which one will he "stay away" from and use the other as an excuse for not attending? Will be interesting to watch. I think he will win the battle (court case) but lose the war (ANCYL disciplinary hearing)

  • Lee - 2011-09-06 13:38

    Nothing will happen to Malema!!! He is more protected than the Rhino in SA. The media must stop giving him and the ANC exposure. Rather report on positive things that would make SA a better place and no one will be so angry, etc...

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