Key points must stay secret - ministry

2013-03-11 22:33

Cape Town - Disclosing the country's national key points is a security risk, Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa's office said on Monday.

"The national key points list is a Cabinet document, as such if the DA wishes to get hold of this list, they would have to approach Cabinet," Mthethwa's spokesperson Zweli Mnisi said in a statement.

"We do not disclose the national key points as doing so might compromise the security aspects.

"By the way, this is not a peculiar practice as many other democratic states globally, whether developing or developed, also conform to this mandate."

Earlier on Monday, the Democratic Alliance said it would make sure Mthethwa provided a full list of national key points.

DA MP Dianne Kohler Barnard rejected acting Police Minister Siyabonga Cwele's refusal to provide the list because of security concerns.

"It is vital that this list is provided to the portfolio committee on police so that Members of Parliament may conduct their mandated oversight role and hold the government accountable," she said.

Mnisi said the list's non-disclosure should not be seen as inhibiting attempts to hold the government accountable.

"Oversight performance and government accountability are mandates that are constitutionally enshrined. To this we welcome and in fact encourage such oversight on the work of the SAPS," he said.

"However we are cautioning against oversight that is for narrow political point-scoring, because we expect those who monitor our policies to be objective and fair in their analysis."

Kohler-Barnard said the apartheid-era National Key Points Act had not been open to scrutiny, despite taxpayers' money being used for their protection.

"We know that the money is being used and personnel are being paid, but we cannot hold government accountable for the use of this money unless we are given the full details," said Kohler-Barnard.

She referred to security upgrades to President Jacob Zuma's private home at Nkandla, which cost taxpayers around R206 million.

Furthermore, attempts were being made to declare additional sites national key points.

The 2013/2014 SA Police Service budget indicated there would be 197 national key points by 2015/16 - an increase of 15 from 2012/13.

The national key points fell under the police budget line item government security regulator, which would receive R91.5m this year.

Kohler-Barnard said she would ask members of the committee to summon Mthethwa so he could hand over the list of key points.

  • Dylan Mugabe - 2013-03-11 22:48

    A security risk to who? We are not at war? We have good relations with the rest of the world. Unless it's a secret from the South African public. Then it means government is at war with us!

      Fussed Anderson - 2013-03-12 05:27

      The south african gov IS at war, with it own people

      squeegee.pilot - 2013-03-12 07:26

      There is a difference between disclosing these key points to the portfolio Committee and disclosing them to the public. I'm all for security, but also for oversight...

      Tersia Louw - 2013-03-12 08:22

      This tuck shop is giving me headaches. How can Nkandla be a national key point if it has a tuck shop? Will the public be buying from it? Not secure. Will it be one of those shops where the perimeter is straddled? Not secure. Not a national key point, then.

      zip.reeper - 2013-03-12 09:21

      the cabinet are all nutters and a menace to the world.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2013-03-12 11:07

      I vote for full transparency were Tax moneys are involved. This issue is an old one. It is one of the key promises every election year; Open and transparent governance. Which is only one of the many promises made to ensure people will vote for such a corrupt government that will fail you if you believe a word they say.

  • werner.nel.712 - 2013-03-11 22:49

    Google maps....eish go on and steal some more tax money!!G

  • rowan.maulson - 2013-03-11 22:54

    Wait, they don't disclose National Key Points because it might compromise their security aspects, but they were happy as larry to tell and sundry that Nkandla was a Nation Key Point?

      Kari Pentikainen - 2013-03-11 23:12

      Clue less points ??? A pap sack has more value

  • andynct - 2013-03-11 22:58

    So it's an offense to photograph a national key point but nobody is allowed to know what is a national key point? Yeah right!

      Andre Jacobs - 2013-03-12 07:03

      You will find that out when you sit in jail. It was the same with the sensitive information secrets bill. You won't know what is secret until they lock you up.

      Andre Jacobs - 2013-03-12 07:16

      The anc will be so stupid as to ban google earth, because all the key points are on there.

  • Dee Bone - 2013-03-11 23:00

    our country has no government. Just theiving from the top and right through the ranks. The ANC is in a mad rush to steal everything in sight as they know that they are unable to govern. The party is sick and rotten to the core

  • Dee Bone - 2013-03-11 23:01

    our country has no government. Just theiving from the top and right through the ranks. The ANC is in a mad rush to steal everything in sight as they know that they are unable to govern. The party is sick and rotten to the core

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2013-03-11 23:05

    Why was it then revealed that Nkandla was a National Key Point. A place should only be classified as a national key point if that place is crucial to the operations of a country. I.e. power stations, harbours, certain factories, dams, major hospitals, airports, military bases, etc. If this criteria is not applied the law can be exploited.

  • Peter Mansfield - 2013-03-11 23:25

    How can I avoid offending the National Key Points Act if no one will tell which they are. For example, you may not take a picture of key point. Is the Durban beachfront a key point? Info is secret! ANC stupido in extremis.

      alan.gernet - 2013-03-12 08:01

      shhhhhhhhtttt - nobody mst mention Nkandlaville again .. it is a secret!

  • Itse Nnete - 2013-03-11 23:43

    We all know what they are trying to protect here,their misdeeds,corruption and their nasty asses.We know better.

  • Mduduzi Gobeni - 2013-03-11 23:55

    Very funny mthethwa cuase Nkandla is on the list but Qunu is not ..........Haaaaaa

  • Ian Despy - 2013-03-12 00:22

    The only security risk to South Africa is the ANC. We knew this would happen. The lying thieving low life!!! Hopefully some time soon they will be voted out before South Africa is completely bankrupted by these thieves.

      Ernica Stanford - 2013-03-12 10:46

      It practically is already. Look at all the provinces in this country.

  • Colleen Erasmus - 2013-03-12 01:15

    What is on that list that the ANC does not want the DA to see? They are only trying ti cover there backsides agais? Doies the NPA have access to the document if not it's going to inhibit there investigations!

  • Thembinkosi Jozie - 2013-03-12 01:49

    The houses of mthethwa cwele Radebe piyega and their friends are the national key points.The whole budget of the department of public works is spent on renovating these national key points every year. We all know about the expensive security wall around mthethwa's house that we paid for. The question is what else did we pay for inside their houses? That's exactly what they are trying to hide from the DA

      Tersia Louw - 2013-03-12 08:26

      And from us.

  • Jeremy Rundle - 2013-03-12 03:30

    The "National Key Points Act 102 of 1980" remains an obscure "apartheid law" on the South African law books. According to this law: 2 Declaration of any place or area as a National Key Point (1) If it appears to the Minister at any time that any place or area is so important that its loss, damage, disruption or immobilization may prejudice the Republic, or whenever he considers it necessary or expedient for the safety of the Republic or in the public interest, he may declare that place or area a National Key Point. (2) The owner of any place or area so declared a National Key Point shall forthwith be notified by written notice of such declaration. 10 Offences and penalties (1) Any person who at, on, in connection with or in respect of any National Key Point performs any act which, if such act would have constituted an offence in terms of the Official Secrets Act, 1956 (Act 16 of 1956), if performed or executed at, on, in connection with or in respect of any prohibited place, as defined in section 1 of that Act, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to the penalties prescribed for that act in that Act. (2)Any person who-

      Jeremy Rundle - 2013-03-12 03:31

      (c) furnishes in any manner whatsoever any information relating to the security measures, applicable at or in respect of any National Key Point or in respect of any incident that occurred there, without being legally obliged or entitled to do so, or without the disclosure or publication of the said information being empowered by or on the authority of the Minister, or except as may be strictly necessary for the performance of his functions in regard to his employment in connection with, or his ownership of, or as may be necessary to protect, the place concerned, shall be guilty of an offence and on conviction liable to a fine not exceeding R10 000 or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding three years or to both such fine and such imprisonment

      Jeremy Rundle - 2013-03-12 03:33

      11 Regulations (1) The Minister may make regulations as to- (e) in general, anything which in his opinion it is necessary to prescribe so as to achieve the objects of this Act. (2) Regulations made under subsection (1) may prescribe penalties for any contravention thereof or failure to comply therewith, not exceeding the penalties prescribed in section 10.

      dannymothilall.danny - 2013-03-12 12:05

      ok jeremy so one should really wonder as to 'Why the apartheid laws'are still being enforced?

      Mduduzi Gobeni - 2013-03-12 15:23

      Speak of contracdition in terms . Should check with his boss before speak publicly ....... Eish common sense nhe

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2013-03-12 05:59

    yes hide them, because there arent any!

  • Nizole Middle-Finger Khala - 2013-03-12 06:39

    Please criminals try and understand this point!!

  • womba.wonder - 2013-03-12 06:56

    "Security"? Bah, humbug! It's spelt "secrecy" -- as in "ashamed".

  • arthur.salvado - 2013-03-12 07:12

    Outright theft is no Longer a joke. What happens when like Sanral they run out of money ?

  • Chibuli - 2013-03-12 07:16

    This information belongs to the People - not the ANC. The ANC organisation is a risk to the future of this country its people - and should be abolished, before civil war breaks out in SA.

      Dave Kofang - 2013-03-12 07:49

      The anc has failed the people but talking about a civil war u are out of order.Go back 2 ur country n start a war there.

      Tersia Louw - 2013-03-12 08:29

      And just maybe, Dave, you can rein in your xenophonia a bit? Do you think only a South African can see what's going on? Or cares? I'm so tired of this "go back to your country" crap. South Africa is home to many, many people who care about her.

  • deon.duplessis.144 - 2013-03-12 07:28

    simple, if you do not have anything to hide, have all the various opposition parties elect representatives, let them sign a gag-agreement, which will not allow them to divulge any key=point information about the security side of things, and allow them to inspect the compound. Sure they do not need to know the exact locations of bunkers etc. but if all is on the up-and-up, the opposition representative can report back to the general public by simply saying all is ok or not, obviously without giving any security details, so what is the issue?Experience has taught me, you only cover your wickets, if you have something to hide. And if you hide something it fuels the speculation fire and reflects negatively on your party.

  • blessing.khumalo.90 - 2013-03-12 07:32

    I will forever question the DA's intentions for this country now they want to compromise the security of the country after secretly sabotaging the country' economy

      Terence Wessels - 2013-03-12 07:56

      Been drinking the toilet water again?

      MSGRules - 2013-03-12 07:57

      Security of the country against whom? how exactly was the economy sabotaged, the DA has added value to the country.

      alan.gernet - 2013-03-12 08:03

      er - maybe you want to rather question your own logic (or lack thereof) blessing.khumalo...

      Jimmy Don - 2013-03-12 10:51

      @Blessing why dont you rather question the ANC's intentions for this country , they are doing a great job a sabotaging the economy..

  • Mathekga Ngoako - 2013-03-12 08:33

    that is rubbish, they must be made known.

  • Maropola Nkitsing - 2013-03-12 09:05

    What the hell is this? National key points.

      PointBlank - 2013-03-12 10:13

      Ministers palaces.

  • - 2013-03-12 10:39

    Jacob's residence can't now be a national key point and be kept secret as that has now been compromised with all the negativity surrounding his home.

  • Kyle McLaren - 2013-03-12 11:24

    The cANCer flouting old Apartheid legislation when it suits them.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-03-12 11:31

    Security risk?. Who is threatening South Africa?. Just another lame excuse.

  • dannymothilall.danny - 2013-03-12 12:01

    South Africa is a free ountry country since 1994-Freedom of expression,freedom of the press,access to information,transparency and open-ness,whatever has happened to all these.Supposed to be a democratic country to live in.What is really going on?

  • ANASKA - 2013-03-12 17:42

    The people of South AFrica is fighting a war against the Government - i am not aware countries around the world are at logger-heads with SA!!

  • Johan Diedericks - 2013-05-30 19:33

    Why? So the ANC can continue with their nefarious actions out of the public`s eyes!

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