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DA, Agang SA conferences - as it happened

2014-02-03 08:24

Both the Democratic Alliance and Agang SA will hold news conferences on Monday morning following Sunday’s announcement that the alliance between Mamphela Ramphele and the DA had fallen through.

Agang SA is first up with its briefing at 09:00 while the DA’s conference is set to start an hour later.

DA leader Helen Zille lashed out at Ramphele, saying the Agang leader has shown she can’t be trusted.

According to a joint statement issued by Ramphele and Zille on Friday, the Agang SA founder would be welcomed into the DA at a news conference in Johannesburg on Monday.

However, following the joint statement, Ramphele said in a message on Agang SA's website that it was “not true” that she would be joining the DA.


11:04 - And so ends the DA briefing. Wilmot James: We are putting this behind us. We are going to find unison in order to make our offer known to the voters.


11:04 - 


11:03 - Zille: We can't do a single thing without hundreds of thousands of people introducing the race narrative one way or another.


11:02 - Wilmot James: Federal exectuive stands behind Zille, with the knowledge that this was a risk worth taking, and she handled it with sophistication.


11:02 - Zille says Ramphele showed lack of integrity by going back on her word.


11:01 - Zille: this is a new character trait in her. I've always known her to be ruthless in taking decisions. So yes, I took a risk.


11:00 - Zille: Ramphele has been on again off again for sometime. I think because she gets advice from people. 


10:59 - Zille: You can't be a political leader and not take risks, especially if the risks are in the interests of growing the party quickly enough.


10:57 - Zille: I would have liked to avoid this, but if you don't take risks, you won't win. If we didn't take risks we'd still be a 1.7% party.


10:56 - Zille: I feel that the last week signals the death knell for Agang.


10:54 - Zille: SA is in a race against time (due to threats to our Constitution), and we have to convince people to vote DA.


10:52 - Zille: We are a very coherent party. We have internal institutions which work very well. We're the only viable alternative to the ANC.


10:50 - Maimane: Zille took the opportunity to open the DA to me, Ramphele, others. 


10:45 - Zille says she will take responsibility for the whole saga.


10:44 - Zille: Yes, Athol was against it which is his right. Federal Exec took a vote after. Decided it was worth risk to have Ramphele as candidate


10:42 - Mazibuko, in summary, really loves the DA. And Helen Zille. 


10:42 - Mazibuko: Against all the narratives of apartheid, it is possible to build a non-racial political party in SA.


10:41 - Mazibuko: Every time a leader steps out and says 'it's possible to build a non-racial political party', it takes a number of complex steps


10:39 - Lindiwe Mazibuko now explaining why the DA is awesome.


10:38 - Maimane: It is not a contest between races (at the polls); it's about which party ascribes to my values, my ideals


10:37 - Mmusi Maimane now explaining why the DA is awesome. 


10:37 - Zille: People asked me from boardrooms to shacks: 'Why don't you and Ramphele join.' We were answering that call


10:36 - Zille: I reject the idea that any of my colleagues are 'window-dressing'. They are all in elected positions within the DA.


10:35 - If you want to view the DA briefing live, take a look here: 



10:33 - Our personal friendship has taken a very bad knock, Zille says on Ramphele


10:31 - Zille: Obviously being black in SA politics is a powerful message.But Dr Ramphele has a world brand. Ramphele has a worldwide reputation as a doctor, academic and manager. She's also black and that is a powerful combination.


10:29 - Zille: Who's going to be our presidential candidate? Well, that's not for me to decide. The federal executive will decide.


10:29 - Zille: It doesn't help to have tiny, shattered, splinter parties all over the place.


10:28 - Zille: In the past week we realised we could not in good conscience say Ramphele should be the president of South Africa.


10:27 - Zille: Sometimes it works, as with the ID, sometimes not, as with Agang. I think voters will understand that.


10:27 - The Agang press con is over now.


10:26 - Zille: From the DA's part it had been a long time coming. Ramphele insisted on press conference but I had other commitments that day...


10:25 - Zille: In October, November, Ramphele said the time was right to make this move. "I said certainly. I knew Agang was in big trouble."


10:23 - Zille: This was not rushed. Been talking to Ramphele since 2010. She was very involved in ID/DA merger. 


10:22 - Lindiwe Mazibuko looks a bit worried. Very serious face.


10:21 - Zille: We agreed that a technical team would discuss integration of Agang into DA.


10:20 - Zille: I started getting worried on the morning before the press conference [last week's announcement]. 


10:19 - Zille: You have to admit you made a mistake, cut your losses and move on.


10:18 - Zille: Sometimes in politics you have to take a risk. A calculated risk. Sometimes a risk works, sometimes it doesn't.


10:17 - Zille starts DA briefing.


10:16 - Ramphele says Agang is the only political party with no baggage - "we learn from our mistakes". It probably helps that they've only been around for less than a year... 


10:15 - Still waiting for the DA briefing to start. Zille and others to brief media. 


10:14 - Agang says its party remains principled by giving ordinary citizens a voice & a platform. "Ramphele has no competition". 


10:09 - ENCA explains why it didn't show the Agang briefing: "Hello @PaulWhelan745 The press conference is taking place on the 9th floor. Our cables cannot go all the way up to the 9th floor." Um... right. 


10:07 - Ramphele: The [early] announcement of the deal scuppered it. Our Constitution prohibits dual membership.


10:06 - Ramphele says everyone wants to see political realignment, including funders of Agang - hence the need for a credible partnership


10:04 -  Ramphele: Our destiny is in our hands, and we will not be derailed. It's time for a govt that serves, and doesn't rule.


10:03 -  Ramphele: I have not changed. The reasons I announced Agang a year ago are still the same.


10:01 - We are a member based political party. When they voice their discomforts, we listen, says Agang SA.


10:00 - What won here is what our members signed up for. She [Ramphele] did not send a Maharaj [spokesperson] to address you. She came to face you, Agang SA tweets.


9:59 - Agang SA youth leader says the party stands on principle. Ramphele is doing the right thing by changing her mind about the deal.


9:58 - Mamphele: There are many examples of principle agreements between leaders.


9:57 - Ramphele: This past week has been tough, but they come out of it stronger and wiser.


9:57 - Meanwhile, the DA briefing is set to start any minute now...


9:56 - Ramphele: Agang members have never stopped working throughout this period.


9:56 - Ramphele says she insisted on holding the presser on Tuesday [last week] even though details weren't worked out because of leaks in the media.


9:54 - Ramphele: I am not Mandela, and I don't pretend to be.


9:53 - Ramphele: Hindsight is 20/20. I am simply doing what I believe leaders are called 2 do. Make the tough decisions when called 2 do so


9:53 - Q:Response to DA statement last night. Ramphele answer: I am in the business of building and not destroying.Our focus is on what needs to be done.


9:52 - Trollip: I do NOT think it is necessary for the next leader of the party to be black African.


9:51 - Ramphele:  Presidential nominations are from the parties themselves. Helen Zille remains the leader of DA I remain leader of Agang SA.


9:50 - Trollip: It's important to make place for black African leaders. But we must grow our own timbre. Not parachute people in.


9:50 -  Ramphele: I haven't changed my mind. We were not given the time to work out the details. No able to consult with members


9:48 - Trollip: The naivety of Ramphele in politics is exposed. No rank and file members were consulted. She then flip-flopped.


9:48 - Ramphele: We remain a trustworthy alternative


9:47 - Asked why the rush and lack of consultation Ramphele again mentions Mandela not consulting his party when negotiating with his jailers.


9:45 - Meanwhile, DA senior member Atholl Trollip has told Eusebius McKaiser he voted against the move to offer Ramphele the DA’s presidential candidate spot.


9:43 - Ramphele: Let us remember the DA has served SA with conviction, it has within its ranks many who want only the best for SA.


9:43 - Ramphele: I have not changed. She still wants to capture the early promise of freedom


9:42 - Ramphele says the ANC is obsessed with the politics of self interest


9:42 - Ramphele says Agang will not get stuck in detail of who said what and when.


9:41 - Ramphele: We need to tackle what is concerning all citizens. We need a political hope for all South Africans. Without corruption.


9:41 - Ramphele: Focus is now on the ANC's incompetent governance of South Africa


9:40 - Ramphele: Some members in both parties have shown unhappiness at the announcement. Did we rush into it? Yes I’m afraid we did.


9:40 - Mamphela: This past week has been a hard week. The time for this was not right. I cannot pursue their offer.


9:38 - Ramphele: "If have to be a DA member...then I cannot pursue the DA offer. Millions of South Africans will never vote for the DA.


9:38 - Ramphele: the time for this was not right... Some party members stuck in old style politics.


9:37 - Ramphele: We at Agang have been working hard to ensure that citizens take the future into their own hands


9:36 - Ramphele says they "may have rushed into union with DA". 


9:35 -  Ramphele: "Since the announcement last Tuesday shows that we all have to listen to our members.."


9:35 - We now need to refocus on our vision - Ramphele


9:34 - Ramphele says Agang will continue to build a party that welcomes all - they are committed to working for change.


9:34 - Ramphele blames party politics for divorce with the DA 


9:33 - 


9:31 - Ramphele has arrived at the briefing to the sound of supporters singing "Dumela".


9:30 - 


9:29 - Last week, Ramphele popped in to News24's studio. Here she tells us that there's no merger right now: 




9:27 - Agang briefing now due to start at 09.30, says Hajra Omarjee.


9:23 - Press con delayed due to weather, taxi strike. Will keep you informed, says Ramphele's PR person Robyn-Anne Pollard.


9:17 - Nope, the Agang conference stillhasn't started. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and blame the weather. Though they might have anticipated this. Anyhow...


9:12 - Take a look at the Daily Maverick piece 'The trouble with being female in politics'. Just earlier, someone tweeted Zille saying "debacle says alot about Women in pol leadership [sic]". 


9:05 - Due to weather & Joburg traffic AgangSA presser slightly delayed, says ANN7's Hajra Omarjee.


8:58 - The Agang briefing is set to start now at its (possibly still carpet-less) Braamfontein office. Might be delayed by people stuck in traffic in rainy Joburg though.


8:51 - Zille tweets: @PatriciaDeLille and my partnership works really well! RT @Lwazistos:@helenzille @MamphelaR debacle says alot about Women in pol leadership.


8:46 - In related news, the DA says it has received the go-ahead from the Johannesburg Magistrate's Court to march to Luthuli House. It's not certain when the march will be but News24 will be doing live updates when it does happen.


8:42 - And earlier Mamphela Ramphele tweeted: It is unfortunate that many who were praise singing now choose to revert to games & name calling. I am afraid we did rush into it. Mea culpa


8:39 - Helen Zille tweeted earlier: Big lesson this week: those who urge one most strongly to make a bold move, are the first to say afterwards: it could never have worked!


8:23 - In a statement on Sunday, Zille said the DA had been "through many false starts" with Ramphele "but when Dr Ramphele insisted on Monday that we go public on Tuesday to announce her acceptance of our offer of the DA’s presidential candidacy, we accepted that she had finally made up her mind".



Comments
  • Priscilla Maguma Chibvamushure - 2014-02-03 08:30

    Popcorn-check, 3D glasses-check......

      Tiaan Botha - 2014-02-03 08:49

      Am I the only one a bit sad and disappointed that this didn't work out?

      Uitenhage Biz - 2014-02-03 08:57

      I feel Like Having a 3rd Party in which people of this country decides How to go forward. each every political party is a opportunists, middle class people like us we dont have a voice. These politicians are messing our country big time. Leaders must come from grass root level. somebody initiate a people's party. i will join...iam upset with this da agang story...Politicians please look after our people who elect u....

      John Smith - 2014-02-03 08:58

      Was this a political tactic from Ramphele to discredit the DA ? Did she do this on purpose ? If she did, she’s worse that the ANC…!! I actually respected her – but no more !!

      Linds Ron-House - 2014-02-03 09:15

      Where is Leonard? I'm interested to know what he thinks?

      Faahim Dajee - 2014-02-03 09:28

      We were close, yet so far.

      Monica Venter - 2014-02-03 09:33

      Very disappointed in Mamphela Ramphele - total loss of respect for the lady

      Sthembiso Jali - 2014-02-03 09:42

      Jokes aside but this is really bad and potentially damaging the image and integrity of both opposition parties. Sa could do a lot better with a strong and principled opposition otherwise the Anc will rule till Jesus come as they claim.

      ThandoGqabaza - 2014-02-03 09:49

      The DA won't lose any votes because of this , in fact by extending an olive branch initially they have gained credibility. The only loser in all this is "Mampara" Ramphele

      Chez Kri - 2014-02-03 10:09

      @John Smith. You THINK that was her motive but don't write her off because of your own theory. I was planning on voting for Ramphele wherever she is and I'm not giving up on her until I find out more.

      John Smith - 2014-02-03 10:28

      @Chez Kri - Nope - Backstabbing will not get my vote. If she wasn’t sure, she should note have agreed to an announcement. Once you make an announcement like that – you’re in. You don’t “change” your mind later on. Especially not with such a huge decision.

      Nolisindiso Jonas - 2014-02-03 10:47

      Ha Ha shows u any decision just for the sake of opposing the ANC will never work. Parties should disband and invite people to draft a policy document. Then leaders should be chosen. For too long HZ took decisions on her own (like JZ) eg to appoint Lindiwe, to go with Agang. It will bite her big time especially from the rightwingers in her party.

      Nolisindiso Jonas - 2014-02-03 10:51

      HZ should study Namibian politics where the DTA also tried to play politics by just opposing Swapo. It never worked. Let us genuine say that criticising a government will never appeal to people. Calling people names like moron, low iq etc(like the DA supporters on this forum do everyday, does not help their course either). We need a rethinking and Ramphele is right that not a lot of black people will vote for the DA

      Vee Velele Nkosi - 2014-02-03 11:02

      Press play

      Linds Ron-House - 2014-02-03 11:44

      Maimane and Mazibuko are just passengers. They are young and inexperienced, just parachuted into senior positions. Maimane, as the national spokesperson, should be running the press conference. Unfortunately Dr Ramphele is older, wiser, far more qualified and definitely not easy to control. Hence the failure of the marriage.

      Janet Macgregor Naude - 2014-02-03 11:47

      I am sorry that this did not work out. I am disappointed in Dr Ramphele. Helen Zille trusted her and was prepared to step back as DA Presidential candidate for the good of the party and most of all for South Africa. That this merger failed does not mean that the DA has changed, nor that their policies have changed. Why should the DA lose votes because of this. As I see it, South Africans have only 2 viable choices. Vote for a party who took a risk for the sake of South Africa ( the DA) or for the ANC which has a President and party leaders who are continuously embroiled in scandals and corruption. I know which party I will choose!

  • Phako Joseph - 2014-02-03 08:30

    This is hide and seek, surelythey are confusing us dearly.

      Fanie Viljoen - 2014-02-03 09:45

      I am afraid the undesidedness of Dr Rampele will scare a lot of voters, she admits she rushed into this deal, an hour after this deal she broke it, not someone I will trust!

  • Mogori Thomas Mogashoa - 2014-02-03 08:32

    Let the circus begin!! If party politics are this challenging I can only emagine how governance of this complex country is going to be. Fortunately we are nt going to find out anytime soon...

  • Mike Clery - 2014-02-03 08:33

    Who cares? They tried, it didn't work, move on.

      jeremy thorpe - 2014-02-03 08:46

      Unfortunately we DO care - and no doubt the ANC will be laughing their heads off! Maybe Helen should have listened more carefully when Mamphela, when asked earlier why she hadn't joined the DA, said repeatedly she wasn't a "joiner." Which means, quite evidently, she's a loner - and not suited to being a part of any political party, Agang included!

      Wikus Erasmus - 2014-02-03 10:24

      The DA has more egg on its face than Agang. It cost Zille NOTHING to make Ramphele the presidential candidate since the DA will not win the election this year, no matter how hard it tries. This country must burn down before it can be built up again. Cynical move by the DA to make Ramphele this offer. Bad form for Ramphele to renege on the agreement. But she KNEW that she would be cast aside once the elections are over. She wouldn't be party president at the DA, just a failed presidential candidate sacrificed at the altar of populist window dressing. But she knows where her bread is buttered... Not that that bread would have given the DA a boost in credibility among black voters. Ramphele is NOT of the people

  • wikus.erasmus.545 - 2014-02-03 08:34

    Two old ladies having a handbag slinging match... Clearly proves that politicians should not make policy decisions...

  • Amused-Reader - 2014-02-03 08:37

    I wasn't a fan of the merger for other reasons, but I am disgusted by Ramphele I feel sorry for Zille, of whom I am a big fan, but I also feel she has used poor judgement as should have known better. The winner here is the ANC, and for that I hold Ramphele 100% responsible, hence my disgust. If she didn't want to join the DA then why agree to publicly announce that she was going to, and if she did, then stick by your decision. She looks like a piece of chaff, blown around in the wind generated by her own supporters with whom she didn't have the decency to discuss the matter in advance, and Mantashe's huffing and puffing, with Ramphele claiming to wipe away the race card with decision, only to capitulate to it at the very first hurdle

      HJS - 2014-02-03 10:05

      let me throw a bit of spaghetti into the fan. Was this a genuine attempt at the outset, or ---- a planned stunt by either one of the two to "show up" the other? I just can't work out in my mind "who set who up" for the fall.

  • Bongani Hoffman - 2014-02-03 08:40

    I m happy bcoz kids r at school for them see the liars of two old woman that r power hungry viva anc

      Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:35

      Pffft. Really? Viva no jobs, Viva stuffed education system, Viva poverty, Viva broken promises..... Wake up dude!

  • Mattie Joubert - 2014-02-03 08:40

    What a joke Mamphela Ramphele - I thought you had integrity - but was greatly mistaken

  • Brad Smith - 2014-02-03 08:45

    really helen. the agang party only had 100 votes to bring to the party last week and now has zero. why all the fuss and an entire media conference over the loss of 100 votes. surely you have bigger fish to fry

  • Helen Grobbelaar - 2014-02-03 08:46

    Shame on you Ramphele, and here I was(silly me) that we had a new angle and hope for the future of South Africa, where all unite as one. Personally, I think Ramphele opted to remain popular and save face with Agang, after she stabbed her own party in the back. Shocking behaviour by such a seemingly intelligent woman.

      Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:37

      Ya, can't figure that out, what the heck was she thinking. With her CV you'd have thought she'd have been a good choice. Quite disappointed really thought it was a brave and courageous move on both sides!!!

  • Letticia Mahlangu - 2014-02-03 08:46

    Ooh! How I'm loving this game *LOL*

      Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:38

      Really, how silly, I know the future of my children and grandchildren isn't a game - is yours? Really????

      Letticia Mahlangu - 2014-02-03 10:06

      "Future" in this "game"?? Come on!!!! Stop fooling yourself,I reckon NO future there. I know where I rightfully belong!

  • Nozulu Mpafana Thukela - 2014-02-03 08:50

    Who cares for womans hungry for power how munch more if they rule the country if they are showing their uselessnes it shows woman are not mean to rule anyway look at that ugly woman who is a police general since she was pointed in that sit ppl died at marikana. Protesters died is how woman good to be on power

      Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:40

      Shew. Don't know how men with your kind of attitude were tolerated in society. Dude it's 2014, that kind of thinking went out in the 60's

  • Nozulu Mpafana Thukela - 2014-02-03 08:58

    Hellen should be removed she is old and her mind also old now beside being play politic put some young fresh minded person and ramphela she is also old the only party has fresh minded person is EFF

      Tersia Louw - 2014-02-03 09:18

      Helen's quite a bit younger than Zuma, Nozulu. And Julius is still wet behind the ears.

      Wende Davids - 2014-02-03 10:43

      Nozulu - when i read your comments, I find myself wondering what type of education you received. I know that there have been many injustices in our land and equal levels of education are one of them, so I do not blame you at all for your grammatical errors - however, do you want the same thing for your children and grand children one day. Do you not want something better for them? Voting EFF or ANC will not give your children a better level of education. How can it if the party leaders are not educated themselves. The best leaders in the world are strategic and rational thinkers and our current leadership lack both. I'm not saying vote DA - I am saying before you decide on a party, make sure you understand not only the manifesto, but also the quality of person you vote into leadership. I pose this question to you - how many golf balls are in the air right now? If you can answer this , you would have proven me wrong about the EFF and the caliber of its followers - if Julius can answer this question for me - I would consider changing my vote to EFF.

      Rendani Nemavhidi - 2014-02-03 11:53

      David's: I don't think your education is good enough either it left you unable to speak most probably just one of the African languages. If majority f whites can't speak and write an African English what is special about English? At lest we know enough to put the message across. In any case language proficiency doesn't equal wisdom. Let's do away with white supremacist tendencies that were ingrained in the Nationalist Party wrongly referred to as Christian Education. Finally let's remind you that the top matriculant for Gauteng is African from an informal settlement who didn't study in his mother tongue.

      Wende Davids - 2014-02-03 14:28

      @ Rendani Menavhidi English and Afrikaans are considered South African languages and I can speak both - if you meant to say that I cannot speak a native African language then yes you are correct. I was in the unfortunate position of only being taught very basic Zulu at school. My intention however was never to discredit the Nozulu as a person, but rather to point out that we as South Africans (all races) were put at a disadvantage - some were never afforded the opportunity to learn English and others were never afforded the opportunity to learn a native African language - I want better for my children one day - I want them to be well educated in English as well as to be fluent in a native African language. What is special about English? Are you serious? Language proficiency certainly does not equate to wisdom, I would be the first to admit that - but without language proficiency it would be a challenge to articulate your wisdom to all levels of society. Unless wisdom sharing is only limited to people on the same level of proficiency??? I am surprised you bring up Gauteng's Top Matriculant - Praise Ndebele. Yes he is African, as is everyone else who lives on the continent of Africa (white, black, coloured etc.). He is one South African we can be very proud of. He done well because he is a THINKER - he planned to be successful, overcome circumstances and because of this he came out TOPS. Bringing me to my point - our leaders lack THINKING.

      Wende Davids - 2014-02-03 14:33

      Apologies Rendani - I misspelled your surname - Nemavhidi

  • Mashai Joannes - 2014-02-03 09:01

    I tohught mamphele is a woman of high standards with sound leadership qualities.her indiscretion in trying to merge agang wit da DA despite lack of consultation wit ground structures epitomises a leader who lacks political know how n power seeking woman.it was bad n it is going to be bad going forward cos xe has shown south africans particularly black majority that vote for my party n den I wil sell u out to the white man s party

  • Zama Mvulane - 2014-02-03 09:04

    The drama continues, DAGANGRATIONS

  • Gert Steenkamp - 2014-02-03 09:04

    Ramphele ,I knew from the start cannot be trusted. She said previously that she is not a joiner and then wanted to JOIN the DA. I agree with a statement made by an ANC member that Agang is born dead.

      Paul Spies Jooste - 2014-02-03 09:10

      This is going to hit DA hard. Such a huge cockup so close to elections. Thanks Mamphele. O well i hope these lost votes go to EFF and not ANC.

      Nkosinathi Malinga - 2014-02-03 09:13

      If you knew about it why were you so excited when the announcement was made on tuesday huh?..its called 'early ejaculation' pal

      Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:42

      Paul, not such a big hit for the DA, still showed guts, showed a willingness to be bold, imagination. I do not know why that isn't what you'd like to see in a party - it is certainly what we need in SA.

      Nelson Poopmore - 2014-02-03 10:39

      Careful that those effing EFF votes DON'T go to the ANC in the end.

  • rodrick.muhali - 2014-02-03 09:15

    This is something was expected, I don't be surprise. It is frustration, I wish Zuma can do the same, resign from the government, he is furstrated 2, and these leaders they are making us play ground, so. Far we don't a good leaders like OR Tambo or Madiba, we are now having self enrichment leaderships

  • Alan Smith - 2014-02-03 09:16

    bunch of clowns.

  • Drexlar Mutant - 2014-02-03 09:24

    In the past week I just chose to ignore the news of this now fallen apart arrangement. Truth be told though, DA does not need a 'Black' face to win 'Black' voters. The deal was unnecessary and risky, but not for DA but risky for Agang. Dr. Ramphele shot herself on the foot on this one. I am very dissapointed in her backing down. Damage was already done to her party, she should have just followed through with the deal. For the sake of saving face and rep. She has really crippled her political career.

  • jabulane.mbhele.9 - 2014-02-03 09:25

    Helen wanted to call a new party Dagaang because it sounded like afrikaans and Ramphela felt like it meant marijuana and opted for AgangDA but an agreement could not be reach. What else can be the reason for divorce.

  • Velaphi Mavhunga - 2014-02-03 09:26

    Mamphela Rampela should get some advise from juju cause she lost it and soon they will be no more AGANG SA she must ask juju hw to stand by her self juju is doing great by challenging de ANC that's hw dey going to deliver to the people's unlike mamphela wh is dying to be in power without doing anything to the community as for DA they need new leadership . after election juju's EFF will be official opposition cause they r loosing it at last minutes.

  • Naphtaly Mashamaite - 2014-02-03 09:27

    SHE WAS WRONG BY ACCEPTING TO BE A BEE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE,SHE FAILED ALREADY MONEY CAN CHANGE PERSON.VOTE GOVERMENT IN WAITING EFF,VIVA EFF.

  • Monare Benedict Mahlakwana - 2014-02-03 09:27

    hahaha Clowns

  • Dorian Riggs - 2014-02-03 09:30

    Both have egg on their faces. What a joke.

  • Modisane Dan - 2014-02-03 09:30

    eventually qwede was right"rent a black rent a leader"there are capable leaders both black & whites within the DA why not choose one from within?

      Michael Farah - 2014-02-03 09:48

      I completely agree with you. A very poor decision on Zille's part

  • Lerato Ratu Ntini - 2014-02-03 09:30

    Lol this is interesting for real .

  • Jacci Freimond Rudling - 2014-02-03 09:34

    So sad this didn't work out, it showed the DA is prepared to make bold moved to bridge the divide. Was so excited to see where this was going to take us. To all those chauvinistic men shaking their heads and bemoaning 'women in politics' - It does say a lot about women in politics, it says they are willing to do things differently. Differently is what SA needs!!! I am proud of all the woman in leadership in the DA, they show that we are strong, principled, articulate and willing to give it their all. Go DA.

  • Udzai Munhumumwe - 2014-02-03 09:35

    They brewed a stinker! I said it then and I say it again! They brewed a stinker! Blimey! Blimey! A hot curry stinker!

      Luzuko Mtoyi - 2014-02-03 09:42

      Helen says Mamphela was pushing for the deal to be made Public, Monday last week ( before the announcement on Tuesday). And Mamphela now says, she wanted the technicalities to be ironed out before she ' joins' DA. Does not make sense, really. Mamphela is up to something...and she accuses one of her lieutenants as an EFF informant! Helen is right. Mamphela cannot be trusted. Agang should not trust her as well. But in all this, it shows that Helen does not know the Black vote.It will need more than ' famous faces' to convince whichever part of the Black vote she is trying to convince....It is actually an insult to the Black vote to suggest that they are not interested in POLICIES, but faces " that look, sound and talk like them".

  • Nhlanhla Madide - 2014-02-03 09:44

    Rushed into it? Yes you did. But that statement is loaded. It means that you still plan to merge later (just not now). Why don't you just come out and say that instead of trying to dupe people.

  • Frans Wa Mobedi Ramodike - 2014-02-03 09:46

    Really Mamphele cnt b trusted."de tym wsnt ryt".tym for wat actually..?dis ols woman mst jst take a brk...Politics is isnt his game.

  • Martin Pienaar - 2014-02-03 09:47

    Ramphele want's to please all.... (Zuma is looking for a new wife!)

  • Zamani Myende - 2014-02-03 09:48

    Hahahaha dirty politics game

  • bruce.hall.50115 - 2014-02-03 09:50

    Ramphele didn't know she had to be a DA member to represent them. Give me a break! And millions will not vote for her either

  • Kekeletso Nakeli - 2014-02-03 09:51

    9:38 - Ramphele: "If have to be a DA member...then I cannot pursue the DA offer. Millions of South Africans will never vote for the DA." I'm sorry, was the point of you joining the DA not to "throw racial politics into the dustbin?" Those millions of people who "wont vote for the DA are black and you could have helped to persuade them by helping them realize that apartheid cannot be brought back... You could have gapped the racial divide, but clearly you're all about Mamphela Mamphela... What a shame.

  • Temba Mbuwako - 2014-02-03 09:52

    Any political organisation must first find its relevance to the cause, Agang is illrelevant, how can a leader undermine the basics "a mandate from the membership" this is a joke, she must be expelled.

  • Sandi Martin Bradley - 2014-02-03 09:53

    This whole things seems like a bad dream. How do you go into something like this without being 100% sure of what you are doing. Pulling out a week later just makes her seem flakey, definitely not presidential material at all.

  • Leshilo Kedibone - 2014-02-03 09:54

    Self-righteous gogo Zille. Ur as arrogant as Dr M, in a democratic party, after such fiasco u have to go. Are DA members not wise enough to elect leaders? Zuma doesn't fit in this debate,

  • Rendani Nemavhidi - 2014-02-03 09:57

    It reminds me of those romantic relationships you go into without thinking and feel stupid after it has ended tragically. But many saw this coming wonder why the DA and Agang couldn't see it could never work. Yes there is a dire need for strong opposition but impatience makes you commit costly mistakes. DA continue focusing on grooming Mmusi and Lindiwe it may be a painstaking process but you are sure to get results. As for Agang they have a mountain to climb to regain lost trust. I suggest humility than lecturing people about integrity because you have been found wanting in Tshwane regard. The Bible say we must be careful how we respond to a mistake because our very response may be a worse mistake.

      Tshiyole Byakumweneka - 2014-02-03 17:14

      which verse of the in the bible says that?

  • Chabalala Grey Bongani - 2014-02-03 10:01

    we are so quick to say a person is intelligent simply because they have university degrees. i have always disagreed to this kind if analysis and the Rampela woman has just proven me right. she is stupid to say the least.

  • Chez Kri - 2014-02-03 10:07

    The worst thing a person can do is diss the completion - as Zille has done. It makes one seem desperate and petty!!

  • Mulalo Liphadzi - 2014-02-03 10:09

    DA and Agang those two parties are playing with their followers now ,Ramphele u are stupid woman n how can u use title of Dr it means u bought that Dr instead of miss

  • KingIshman Busa - 2014-02-03 10:11

    Stupid stupid and more stupid Gogol!!

  • criticallyhonest - 2014-02-03 10:13

    Sorry to say it OUT LOUD...Ramphele is tap-dancing instead of admitting that she totally screwed things. Both the tap-dancing and the screw-up are a great shame because she destroys her own and her party's credibility and what could have been an opportunity for a small shift of politics and support, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, has been completely wasted.

  • Kenny Marhenzo O Seautlweng - 2014-02-03 10:13

    se tlhakatlhakane akere ....

  • Nelson Poopmore - 2014-02-03 10:19

    Clowns, both of them. Seems like both mostly acted outside party structures. DA to lose the most, as Agang has nothing to lose.

  • Joel Mabeke - 2014-02-03 10:20

    ...and in the meantime EFF is gaining more members and no one is reporting it.hehehehe!people will be suprised with the election results.

  • Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-02-03 10:24

    The DA was born out of English white liberal sentiments who managed to woo the more conservative English speakers, the Afrikaners and coloureds easily as the party is literally called anti-ANC. Take all the people who truly aspire to DA membership, ie the English white liberals, their percentage would drop below 5% or even less. They a fake party

      criticallyhonest - 2014-02-03 10:38

      Patrick: Explain please, why are they fake? To make points; White and English are simple demographics like tall and fat, liberal describes the politics, whether you disagree or not with those politics, how can they (as you say) be fake?

  • arthur.motsamai - 2014-02-03 10:25

    21 questions!What about a kiss was it fake 2? What about Patricia is she not black enough or not black period an why can't she be DA leader or presidential candidate? Who is fooling who? Why black is important now to lead?

  • Zikhulise Zikhulise - 2014-02-03 10:25

    The DA does not need a black leader...To the DA, I have never seen a "white" person or a "black" person in my lifetime! I have however seen caucasians and africans and Indians and Asians who have differents shades of skin from lighter to darker. Caucasians have lied to themselves and continue to lie to themselves believing that they are "white"...There is NO "white" person on this earth!

  • Tshepang Boikanyo - 2014-02-03 10:30

    i was so dispoited about the news i hear cus we like agang .mme mamphela pls donk evar do that we follow u arond the country.in vryburg