Land reform: ANC won't engage ANCYL

2012-06-06 17:14

Johannesburg - The ANC will not engage with its youth wing over the issue of land reform, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe said on Wednesday.

"It will not be helpful to engage in violent polemics with the ANC Youth League in the run-up to the ANC policy conference. The conference will address land reform in detail," he said.

"It is not the ANC policy to expropriate land without compensation, and personally I don't think it will work," he said.

Mantashe was talking at a meeting between the African National Congress and South African farmers in Morningside, Johannesburg.

He said the party was engaging with both established and emerging farmers to help create a successful agricultural environment in the country.

"Land distribution [to emerging farmers who claim land] must go together with things like food production and food security."

Mantashe was joined at the meeting by Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, who said the issue of farmer safety was "touched on" during the meeting.

Afriforum and the Transvaal Agriculture Union (TAU SA) announced on Wednesday that they were preparing to lay charges against ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola over comments he made about land reform.

On Tuesday, Lamola said the Constitution must be changed to allow for the expropriation of land without compensation.

He warned that if white South Africans did not hand land over to poor blacks, there could be land invasions like those which took place in Zimbabwe.

Afriforum legal representative Willie Spies said Lamola's comments amounted to hate speech and fell within the definitions of incitement to violence.

TAU SA said it was "disgusted" by Lamola's comments and would file a complaint with the SA Human Rights Commission.

Spies said Lamola specifically referred to, among others, "the Van Tonders and the Van der Merwes on farms" and warned that their safety cannot be guaranteed.

ANC spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy said the groups needed to be "ready for the fight of their lives".

"We welcome this battle, and we will not retreat. We are adamant that this issue of land cannot be negotiated, and at no point will we back down," she said.

Mantashe said he chose not to watch a video made by AfriForum which called on South Africans to take a stand against certain ANC policies, specifically about land ownership.

"I have a problem with Afriforum, they are an offshoot of Mynwerkersunie - a racist organisation. I have no desire to watch it. I will only get surprised if they [Afriforum] do something different."

The video, entitled ANC, the conmen alleges that the ANC plans to make fundamental changes to the Constitution, which will remove the right to private land ownership.

The SABC has refused to flight the video as a paid advert.

  • Ryno - 2012-06-06 17:21

    "Land distribution [to emerging farmers who claim land] must go together with things like food production and food security." so he can say something clever

      Christelle - 2012-06-06 17:51

      Whether we like it or not - land distribution has to happen. But they have to be very careful in their approach - I agree with you Ryno, it seems as somebody is starting to talk sense about this sensitive issue. There has to be a large element of working together for years training people to farm properly - we cannot have a situation like in Zim with a total collapse of the agricultural industry because of a lack of farming knowledge. Do this for the right reasons in the right manner.

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 17:52

      Give Gwede a Bells,the elders aint in power for nothing,the problem is the youth do not respect them,its a fact that the youth will rise,they want what the whites have,,nice cars and nice houses with tv and swimming pools,so i think that all you south africans should arm yourselves and prepare necasary counter measures,or you should take a stand an dunite if the anc cannot help you and take the western cape and make it an autonomous state and an indepnedent country if need be,for those of all colour that want real freedom and secure your borders with a military conscription program that also supports a college education program like they do in the US

      Keith - 2012-06-06 18:15

      Christelle, no one will wait for years for their piece of land, they want it now, just as they wanted the vote. I think the biggest drawback to handing over farms is that modern farming is very expensive and it is mostly money which is lacking, not so much the knowledge. Of course, dedication is vital and I cannot see the youth league supplying that.

      sachasea - 2012-06-06 18:30 Remember this? So just what is supposed to happen if all of the white owned farms were to change hands? The farms won't magically become productive on their own. Most black people lack the skills, experience and know-how to grow food of the quality and quantity that is required by the people of South Africa to avoid the famine and hunger that plagues our northern neighbour and many other African countries. So what is the answer? White farmers should work together with their black counterparts so that skills can be transferred/passed on. What about the idea of agricultural training colleges or farm internships for the farmers of the future? People need to work together not threaten each other. That will get us nowhere, but a dark ending of suffering for all involved. That is certainly not the future that Nelson Mandela envisioned for us as South Africans.

      Christelle - 2012-06-06 18:38

      Keith, I am afraid that you are right where it comes to the time issue. However, I was fortunate enough to work with people a couple of years ago involved in the proper training and applying for loans for the emerging market. There is a bank in SA making money available (for the right applicants showing the necessary skills, knowledge and what ever is needed) However, I cannot tell you how many times meetings ran into nothing, because nobody pitched up. It is so frustrating knowing that there are "old South Africans" who truly want to help here, but you get the impression - its all about taking - nothing else. Very difficult to deal with that.

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-06 18:42

      Don't give Gwede a co-sign he will fade into obscurity soon (Mangaung) .Civil war will be too costly to this young democracy though.... Its time we make some concessions instead of these ineffectual pillow fights #Power to the people

      henryian73 - 2012-06-06 22:29

      And what about the trade agreements that was made by the Boer settlers and the then tribes leaders? Why do people think Piet Retief insisted on going to see Dingaan? It wasn't to 'gooi' a party but to talk about land trade agreements. Large parts of South Africa was traded in a legal and just manner in the late 1700's and beginning and late 1800's. Suddenly the ANCYL knows everything and claim every white person to be criminal. Lies,lies and more lies.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 06:49

      Keith, they want the land because they think it is a path to easy wealth. The proof is already there that once they have the land they realise they have no idea what to do with it - 1000's of hectares of unproductive land. It is not a real issue, it is an issue created by devious politicians and an issue of revenge for the past. If land was simply bought on the open market for aspiring black farmers, and they had been given proper support, the land "issue" would already have been resolved. There is no interest to resolve the so called issue, as it is a uselful political tool for them to fool people with. The seed that they need the land is fed to them by people with devious agendas, why don't they demand title for the land they already live on in tribal areas, surely that is a much easier path to instant wealth?

      Martin - 2012-06-07 08:45

      Im keen on a social experiment, give them farms, but contractually bound to produce necessary yields to feed the country, no excuses, upon failing to do so, the farm will be handed back to the farmer it was stolen from, and the wannabe farmer should be jailed for treason.

      Martin - 2012-06-07 08:55

      christelle james...i agree, working farms need to stay in the hands of the people who know how to provide for a country of 50 million,, government must take their massive tracts of land and distribute that, the new farmers will need some aid i guess, tractors, irrigation etc, but then leave it to them for ten years, lets see what they produce, if as per general new south africa farm the infrastructure has been stripped and sold or the crops are pathetic, low quality etc, jail, for treason, no race cards, no excuses, if a man wants to farm, the gov must facilitate but not spend our tax helping a wannabe, give them rope, either they make it a success or they go to jail for treason

      Christelle - 2012-06-07 15:44

      Martin, absolutely. Whoever are successfull farmers (whether be black or white, South Africa, Brazil, NY or anywhere) put every single thing they have into it. It is blood sweat brother. Any farmer worth his weight will tell you the time, money and their LIFE that goes into it. And you are totally dependant on the elements. So the guys who are successful -- we know it comes at a huge price.

      Smell - 2012-06-07 20:03

      First, I absolutely do not understand why Farmers are being singled out for redressing the legacy of Apartheid without fair compensation, when all Whites historically had the benefit of superior education and opportunity. Easy to be a bleeding heart liberal when you are not expected to hand over your assets or family business for free. Members of the ANCYL, please give your heads a shake, and try to understand that very basic fact. Second, land is only of true benefit to the people when the occupants of that land are agricultural specialists. Otherwise we will only be moving impoverished, hungry people from slums in the city to rural shacks, while national food production will plummet. Like in Zimbabwe. So, the first step for aspiring African farmers should be successful completion of adequate training at e.g. an Agricultural College. Because successful farming requires intimate knowledge of the soil, crop cultivation, pest control, farm implement mechanics, and basic veterinary medicine. Also running a small business, and long-term strategic planning for dry spells, crop rotation and grazing rotation. This is not a business that flourishes without intimate knowledge and dedication. The second step should be fair compensation for expropriated land. Real hope for our impoverished masses resides in the aggressive promotion of education and family planning. And secure borders so that we do not have to employ and nourish the entire Africa. Landgrabs will be a failure.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-06-06 17:26

    Haha,we are approaching fun and interesting times, the ANC conference-lets wait and see the outcome.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 18:07

      so what is your opinion besides a "haha"

      Ang - 2012-06-06 19:12

      Sick SA Irony: Minorities Taking ANC & ANCYL to court every month now to defend their rights while indirectly paying for the legal costs of the ANC and ANCYL through taxes. Something has to give soon..

  • sika.ncamane - 2012-06-06 17:27

    Malema told you about dick-tators, now they are showing their true colours...!

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-06-06 17:28

    Everyone knows that what Lamola was really saying is, "Go do what the Zimbabweans did for great justice."

  • brenda.hill.7140 - 2012-06-06 17:32

    So somebody has got some sort of decency about the economy being affected with this "land reform" issue.

  • Ted - 2012-06-06 17:32

    The only constant we have in this world is change. How we manage change is important for our collective prosperity and continued survival as a nation. Like I always try to highlight, engagement and dialogue can yield solutions from surprisingly accessible discussion points brought forward by everyday people. If we have somewhere sane to start the dialogue from, you will surprise yourself how this emotive issue can be resolved clean and fast.

      tobydt - 2012-06-06 17:40

      So, its everyone else that must change, but not you :P

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:01

      Agreed Ted,

      Dee - 2012-06-06 18:36

      Ted - A brilliant post! Between reasonable citizens, there is surely enough goodwill and 'common national interest' to establish 'win win' progress. Politicising and polarising is in NO ONES interests. But I do think VISIBLE PROGRESS on the matter is overdue / urgent.

      Cuanita - 2012-06-06 21:17

      Is this the same Ted that hates to hear to the point of nauseous "how hard ppl have worked for everything they have" and who "owns land and works it" wow Ted ... sit on the fence much?

      Marius - 2012-06-07 11:43

      Wake up man, the ANCYL/ANC is not interested in a win/win solution, it's about taking everything they want, and that includes your life.

  • spartanx93 - 2012-06-06 17:33

    how about the fools of the youth league go claim all that tribal land going to waste!! Even if you get land you will still be poor as you know nothing about farming!!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-06 17:44

      if they claimed their ancestral lands, then they would have to go reclaim the Congo where they originally migrated from

      Iceberg - 2012-06-06 18:32

      According to the Rural Development and Land Reform department’s figures, about 90 percent of land reform projects on 5.9 million hectares of land have failed. The Ingonyama Trust controls 2.7 million Ha of land which is almost 32% of the land mass of KZN and has ± 4.2 million mostly destitute inhabitants. Let's see the ANCYL expropriate that!

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 07:00

      There are plenty of black people able to farm, but the problem is they are not the ones being given land. Land is dished out based on people once having lived there, not on farming ability. And also it is done communally, so as soon as they have it they very soon start fighting amongst themselves and pretty soon the whole thing completely collapses. A farmer myself, the area I live in is riddled with gutted "land reform" farms. Not a single one functions anymore,and I estimate about 50% of the farms are in their hands here. People don't even live on them! And the falacy that they need the land is perpetuated for political reasons, its disgusting. You're right about the tribal land - title deeds to that would enrich millions of poor black people overnight, but fighting for that does not seem to be worth it politically - so the party of the people does nothing to stand up for them in that regard. It is one big fat sick joke.

      Martin - 2012-06-07 09:03

      Dude they only want land that whites are on, they want "ready to go" farms, not the toil and labour of turning a piece of wild rock littered, acacia strewn thorny dry ground like the original farmers had to create from scratch, if i had a farm, just cos im a c$nt, il level the farm house, and let the natural bush grow back before handing it over, and i bet they wont want it like that, its like a begger who gets mal when all you have is 2 bucks to give

      Denise - 2012-06-08 01:39

      Around 90% (almost 60,000 sq km) of all one time white owned farms redistributed to South Africa's black population have ceased to be productive. Makes one wonder what on earth can the remaining 10% be producing, Marijuana perhaps? Of course Zimbabwe was the prototype for the redistribution of white farms to the black population. To see how that worked out watch a video called “The last white man”.

      Denise - 2012-06-08 01:55

      On a two-week visit to farms around the country it was discovered that: •Twenty top crop & dairy farms in the Eastern Cape, bought for R11.6-million & returned to a Kokstad community, are now informal settlements; •A once-thriving potato farm in the KwaZulu-Natal Midlands is now a makeshift soccer field; •Ten thousand people given back 8000ha of prime fruit & macadamia farms in Limpopo are crippled by R5-million debt; •A former multimillion-rand tea estate in Magoebaskloof in Limpopo has become an overgrown forest; •More than five tons of a macadamia nut crop on a reclaimed Limpopo farm was so poor that it was dumped into the Levubu river; •A R22-million irrigation system built by the government to supply water to new farmers in KwaZulu-Natal lies unused. Most beneficiaries have no interest in farming but just want a secure place to stay. The truth is that 90% of land reform projects have failed - and that means for many of the people involved their circumstances have not improved — and for some, have even got worse.

  • Bob - 2012-06-06 17:37

    "Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, who said the issue of farmer safety was "touched on" during the meeting." Don't touch on it....Do something about it period!

  • Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-06 17:37

    We will continue with the struggle #Economic freedom in our lifetime

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-06 17:41

      I am glad that the senior elders of the ANC don't give any time to the Youth League tsotsis. Down with the dysfunctional ANCYL, down !!! They are all little tsotsis !!!

      tobydt - 2012-06-06 17:41

      You already have economic freedom. Kthxbye.

      Matthew Patrick - 2012-06-06 17:42

      Personally, I think intellectual freedom (through education & being able form an educated opinion on your own instead of taken the word of a 'leader') is more important, but that's just me. Teach a man to fish instead of giving him a fish...

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 18:00

      ancyl definition of economic freedom = taking everything for nothing and not working for it honestly. real definition of enconomic freedom = work hard and be honest now which definition will they really follow,,,,arm yourselves people

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-06 18:00

      @Mathew these comrades are the last breed of intellectuals after Mandela & Co.Support these comrades, you will thank me later #Power to the people

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:02

      Agreed Baby,

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-06 18:08

      tsotsi and tamar, you both sound like tsotsis. stop being such racists! speaking of which, did someone switch the lights off at the press conference (see article pic). Room seems very dark, can hardly see the ANCYL tsotsi

      Rob - 2012-06-06 18:13

      You're an idiot

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:24

      I am not Racist however I personally know previously disadvantaged farmers that will love the opportunity to learn the entire portfolio of Farming from Sowing the seeds to doing the books. Seems finding Farmers that are willing to share skills are hard to find hence legislation is required. I disagree with Land grabs. Just a reminder seems Australia will introduce a New Mineral resources TAX on the 1 July 2012 so why not here...????

      bertie.brink - 2012-06-06 18:36

      Economic freedom is easy @tsotsi all you need to do is be like a white man AND WORK FOR IT YOU LAZY PERSON!!!!

      mastersvoice - 2012-06-06 18:45

      Can someone please explain why land ownership is linked to economic freedom? Isn't it time we acknowledged that land is a national asset, and that anyone who chooses to farm such land, must do so according to what the nation requires from it. Subsistence farming is not in the national interest, nor is big game farmers who invite rich foreigners over to shoot a lion trapped in a small fenced area. Land does not exist simply to free those who wish to struggle. It is not the silver bullet that will magically free you from your self-imposed shackles. If half the struggling ANCYL members spend as much energy in gaining some sort of skill or education than they do in struggling, economic freedom would be theirs! Productivity is what generates wealth, not struggling. Get off your backsides and do something productive with your lives, instead of demanding handouts all in the name of the "struggle"!

      Zahir - 2012-06-06 18:54

      Economic freedom is only for those comrades at the top of anc and league so u will have to wake up and find a job like the rest of us

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-06 19:09

      @tolli baby, you fell out of the cot again, do you actually understand the concept of economic freedom? The only struugle you are fighting now is against yourself! That is a clear demonstration of your lack of education, yet you want land, to do what, set up a shebeen on it? maybe you should try to get yourself some education first, learn what farming really consist of and then perhaps, you can come and comment here. Seeing that your type does not have a work mentality but a I want mentality, you setting yourself up for starvation and hunger. Will you be able to look your children in the eyes when they ask you for a slice of bread to still their hunger but there is nothing left because you lost everything because of laziness!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Juan - 2012-06-06 19:34

      Some were born to struggle. Even if you were given a gold mine you would still f**k it up and struggle

      Martin - 2012-06-07 09:05

      its called get a job, tsotsi. oh wait, your leader didnt pull through on that promise,

  • Warwick Bristow - 2012-06-06 17:40

    I am glad mantashe is thinking straight. A lot of people believe they have historic rights to land ownership and will not agree with mantashe.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-06 17:48

      Danny, then go claim your 'african' land back in the Congo where you came from, leave this land to us South Africans

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-06-06 17:57

      Africa as a whole belongs to Africans.You do not tell us where to claim land, #Power to the people

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:04

      Africa is Africa not Europe. The people of this land migrated from the North of AFRICA hence they have every right to call this their/Our Land. Colonist are Not from Africa......SEE THE DIFFERENCE ????

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-06 18:07

      @Danny - you are not even indigenous to South Africa! You are no more entitled to the land than the whites you are fighting against. So how about you shutup and go work for your economic freedom, rather than expecting another handout..... again!

      malcolm.molver - 2012-06-06 18:08

      Danny, I was born here. I'm an African! I'm just as entitled to the land as you are. Now put your dummy back in your mouth and be a good boy!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-06-06 18:09

      tamar, go tell that to Barac Obama. your problem is your still stuck in your cave, that's why you think like a ...

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 18:14

      @ danny. Africa is ours too. Get over yourself man.

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-06 18:15

      @Tamar - you are no different from a colonialist yourself. Just like how the dutch came to South Africa your people dripped form the north.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 18:18

      And Tsotsi. If we give your land back will you give our stuff back. Cars, movies, TV, KFC, money, education, clothes, watches, the football, medicine, electricity, i can go on and on. We all have a share in this land. White man may have brought some problems , but alot more benefits. Afica has always needed the west to survive. Get over yourself.

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 18:22

      nor the internet. You can give that back to.

      danny.kangausaru - 2012-06-06 18:26

      Africans helped Africans 2 gate their freedom, so no mater were u think I come from the struggle continues. We soon shall be free , long live the spirit of Afraca

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:26

      Warwick, Just like the Legal fraternity if you gained the land illegally, It does not belong to beholder, It needs to be returned to the rightful owner. I disagree with land grabs however Legislation required here.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:30

      Charles, Just stating facts mate, Your Ancestors were Colonist and NOT native to Africa. If you are born here you are African as well nevertheless this does not change the Original Colonist status as they were never born here.

      Juan - 2012-06-06 19:31

      @danny quick question, I was born in Cape Town to South African parents some 40 years ago. If I am not from South Africa then of which country am I?

      Jacques - 2012-06-07 08:02

      so in fact what you all saying is, all the blacks all over the world must come back to africa?? claim their land??? wow i can c the likes of the us president farming in the free state.

      barry.dogg.fritz - 2012-06-07 18:25

      tsotsi , we are also born here which also makes us african , our grand parents were also born here , it does not mean you have to be black to be an african, we have just as much right to the land as what any other person has, have you also gone to brainless institute of robert mugabe , so that he can brain wash you into believing that you are awesome, when infact we can measure your IQ with a dipstick

      Kerri- - 2012-06-07 18:28

      Actually yes my ancestors are from Africa. The whole human race is. Homo Sapien Sapien orginated in West Africa. So technically we're all from the same group of people. We are all the same so why the fight? Why take away from the white minority? What about the black diamonds that have tons more than me? Dude most of the white kids my age can't even afford to move of their parents houses. We are way behind our parents. The rich white are also a minority. Why not focus on creating proper housing? Service delivery? Why always look at skin colour?

  • Dee - 2012-06-06 17:44

    Afriforum - instead of fighting all the time - how about some honey occasionally. Please let us hear about proposals / existing projects on offering agricultural training & setting up co-operative schemes. I KNOW there are farmers doing this .... why not take the lead in formalising e.g. ?? Agri-training-incentive schemes; or a completely revolutonary approach to 'Owner-Worker' mentality with shareholder schemes. All I ever hear is FIGHTING TALK ...and so worry that fighting back-at-y'all and killing is all you will get in return.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:05

      Afriforum are extremist like the ANCYL. Niether are required.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 18:12

      Dee they are doing it and nummeries proposals was made. But with a idiote minister and ANC that don't want to listen,so wat more can we do. Why do you think the rest of Afrika is head hunting our farmers? The BLAME lies with the ANC.

      Dee - 2012-06-06 18:21

      Thanks Nettie - I know there is goodwill and good work amongst many farmers - so at Afriforum management level, perhaps it is a matter of "Public Relations" too? ... more publicity & opportunity for public debate of their rejected proposals perhaps? e.g. A media response to yesterdays ANCYL utterances on 'facts' about what is happening & what has been proposed.

  • Andrew - 2012-06-06 17:46

    This is not Zimbabwe Lamola, don't think chasing boere of their farms would be that easy. You may just get a surprise.

      Juan - 2012-06-06 19:21

      Well I don't think that's a factor in his chimp brain. He even looks like a chimp and he think he can formulate land policy, un freaking believable

  • Seena - 2012-06-06 17:50

    look around this country where ever you go north east west south all land is occupied by the children of settlers, let us be honest in todays world there is something fundamentally out of sinc here ...where are the african people and if they are not on this land where are they ..shack dwellers for ever...nix ayibo!

      malcolm.molver - 2012-06-06 18:09

      Who's the real racists now? Plus threatening violence...

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 18:10

      yes seens you are sooooo right there is something out of zinc and it is those who have worked hard and brought technology infastructure to your country live in houses,you will get your rdp house in due time im sure,oh yes where did you get the materials from which you built your shack? didnt you used to use mud and grass before?

      rowen.loretz - 2012-06-06 18:19

      without the whites you would probably all have died from some plague of virus. You needed us for medicine and education.

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-06 18:20

      seena & danny.... you two fools will always have a chip on your shoulder about whites. You don't want them, yet you want to live like them with all their white inventions. how about you and you idiotic nation bugger off back north and create your own society rather than bumming off the whites for handouts.

      Zahir - 2012-06-06 18:48

      The govt survey said that 90% of farms handed over have failed so how does handing over more land make it a good idea if u have no skill to farm

      Anne-Marie - 2012-06-06 19:09

      Seena as responded in one of your other racist comments. Unless you are Khoi San, then you are also a settler. Look back in history, your land is further north. You are a complete racist. If you don't want to live in a shack, go and get a job, a mortgage and pay your bills like the rest of the world over. You won't be entitled to any of the land anyway. That has probably already been provisionally promised to family of ANC and ancyl just like ministers of ZANU PF were the only ones who got land in zim.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 16:15

      You haven't noticed all the land reform farms? Its easy, just look for buildings that are stripped of everything, and fallow lands. There is plenty of land already in black hands, don't fool yourself Seena. Where I farm I'd guess 50% of the farms have already gone to "land reform". If you see the state of these farms, you'll be embarrassed.

  • robi.robert.963 - 2012-06-06 17:50

    Land determines the growing and declining economies of the country. First Transition frightened many farmers and they thought democracy is a chimera,they stopped producing or farming . Now the country is facing dilemma related with food shortage. We rely on importing food than producing. Some stopped farming because they fear ANC government and were mislead by irrational analysts who hated transition. After 17 years of democracy, the rulling party still showed reconciliation and good governance. Is this notion well accepted amongst those who feared the first transition. I doubt so. They prefer positive statements from the rulling party than negative statements from the youth league. After consumption of good news what do they do with them, nothing. They become passive community not prepared to do anything but complain. With skills and experiences they posses, they decided to do nothing even if there is more assurance from the rulling party that their future is safe

      Rob - 2012-06-06 18:19

      You paint a pretty picture however, the youth league is a branch of the ANC. This land grabbing nonsense is therefore coming from the ANC. If the ANC cannot even control the leaders of it's own youth league after so many years, how can you believe them when they tell you not to panic because they have everything under control? Does nobody else out there see the manipulation taking place?

      Keith - 2012-06-06 18:24

      Robi, can you say that again in simple language for a white man who doesn't understand the message you were trying to get across.

      Robin - 2012-06-06 19:19

      I think the dumb masses will give their vote to a president all for land grabbing...

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 16:18

      Robi, AgriSA has bent over backwards trying to work on solutions with the ANC. It is the ANC who has done nothing, not the farming community. The ANC has made a terrible mess of land reform so far, it has paid too much for the land and put the wrong people on the land. Farmers are frustrated as the ANC is directionless, you never know from one day to the next what it is going to do. You are out of touch with reality, I'm sorry to say.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-06-06 17:51

    Land distribution must go hand in hand with individual tittle deed in traditional tribal areas as well. There are masses of land standing fallow and totally unproductive which is claimed by traditional leaders, kings and chieftains who hold the land ransom over their 'subjects' thereby condemning most of the rural population to abject poverty. This issue has up to now not been addressed at all, and is totally ignored. There is also huge stretches of land owned by religious orders, such as the Moravians who are the largest land owner in South Africa with thousands of hectares available bought by the German chapter of the church decades ago especially for the poor. While the whole political conversation around land reform is only based around white owned farm, it needs to be broadened and include all the land in South Africa. ANCYL is a bit out of their league when it comes to understanding the complexities of land reform. It is best that the present structures just continue as it has. What can happen to improve the transition for government to speed up the process, make it more streamlined, and much, much more transparent. Government olso sits on huge streches of land that can be included in the process. The ANCYL are bashing the minority once again, spurring hatred, and division amongst the nation.

      Keith - 2012-06-06 18:28

      I agree, particularly with your last sentence. It seems to me to that the main aim of the anc is to stir up the masses in order to divert attention from their shortcomings.

  • Andricca - 2012-06-06 17:57

    ZumGwede's time is fast running out. Let the League stay focused and resolute

  • Andre - 2012-06-06 17:57

    Plain and simple, it's a declaration of war! The fact that the ANC does not repudiate the Useless League means that they are ad idem with this declaration!

  • loyiso.mdingwa - 2012-06-06 17:59

    It is one of the radical resolutions the ANCYL 24th congress took,we cant retreat or surrender now! Foward with Land Redistribution Forward!

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 18:27

      surrender???? are you in a war?? you will be in a war very soon i can promise this,but iam not sure you are ready for us veterans,you need brain power to win a war along with weapons,of which you have non of either.

      Zahir - 2012-06-06 18:36

      Look at Zimbabwe they import their food from Zambia 5 million Zim fled here that is future

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 16:22

      Why do you want the land loyiso, thats all I want to know? None of the land you guys have taken so far is used productively. Or is it perhaps just a spiteful form of revenge for the past?

  • andrew.arnesen - 2012-06-06 18:01

    Oh, yes, and whilst us rich, white landowners (I wonder if I missed anything but I would also sure love a piece of land for free...) hand over our hard-won land, earnings, mines and whatever else you deem to be yours, we must also pay you indolent gimme's money to continue on with your free-loading, entitled heads firmly up your asses? Get real ANCYL!

  • Rob - 2012-06-06 18:02

    Dear Ronald: Tell your members to go to school, stay in school, study hard, pass, study more, pass, get a job, study more, get paid enough to leave home, learn/study more, finally earn enough to get a mortgage, work like a slave to pay it back for about 20 - 30 years, and then tell them.. that's how you OWN YOUR OWN LAND / PROPERTY. This is what I understand: "Those that you represent and possibly even yourself are too lazy, stupid or greedy to ever be a true part of a peaceful nation because you're just too quick to rip-off your fellow South African. We all live here dumb ass, get a loan.

      lucian.magaya - 2012-06-06 20:38

      Whether u like it or not land shall be re-distributed to the poor & rich black South Africans. It's a matter of time.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-07 16:24

      Its a pity lucian, as it does not seem to have enriched any of you to date, so I fear your dream may come back to haunt you one day. Still amazes me that you guys want things, but as soon as you get them you break them. What kind of logic is that, perhaps you can explain it to me?

  • John - 2012-06-06 18:03

    THE problem is that the ANCYL is the future of the ANC now. The Anc might say now that land grabbing isn't their policy but it will just be a matter of time before land grabbing is going to happen. People like the ANCYL don't care about having 60% majority to change the constitution they will just pass a law changing that so they can do what they like.

  • vian.kroon - 2012-06-06 18:07

    Yes... And I am tikerbel

  • Seena - 2012-06-06 18:07

    subsistance farming is the future, private individuals hoarding hectors and hectors of land are a potential problem listen to the cry of the people

      Anita - 2012-06-06 18:21

      O k. So I'm 59 years old. Never grown anything but a potplant, never reared anything but a dog. And I can now claim a well established farm and go do my thing. Hell. Life's easy in this country!

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-06 18:22

      dont go ccrying to the west when all fails... ok.

      Jazzy - 2012-06-07 21:04

      The word is hectares! There's lots of land owned by the state - give that away rather.

  • John - 2012-06-06 18:16

    They cannot change the constitution without a 75% majority. ANC support have fortunately dwindled in the last elections, and they are losing ground on municipalities which is awesome. I for one, am not too bother about this hot air. Mantashe's 'soothing' words serve only to gain some support. Once elections are over, he'll be singing the same song as Ancyl.

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 18:30

      the only negotiation they have is violence,,,its in their blood,,look what happened to the khoi san people,they killed them off

      John - 2012-06-06 22:45

      they even banned them from adverts! :)

  • Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-06-06 18:18

    The ANCYL are a bunch of racists just like Robert Mugbe what old bob did was he stole the farmers and gave it to his family he wasn't thinking of the poor and that's the future for South Africa

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-06 20:26

      Here is a logical bit of mathematics so as to understand the ANC and its Youth League ..1. Knowledge is Power. 2. Time is Money. As every educated person knows: Power = Work / Time Since: Knowledge = Power Time = Money It follows that: Knowledge = Work/Money. Solving for Money, we get: Money = Work / Knowledge. Thus, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity, regardless of the amount of work done. Conclusion: The less you know,the more you make It's on this basis that the ANC choose their parlementarians and Cabinet Ministers...and wait for it..our open fly,hanging dick, President

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 18:22

    For the good of the country The ANC should tell the ANCYL to shut up. They are the biggist resone of racial tention in SA.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:32

      Don't forget Murray,

      phosa.peter2 - 2012-06-06 18:41

      As youth of mzansi( blacks) we have the right to explore our minds without fear,who the hell shuld silence us.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 18:46

      I realy don't want to answer you becouse you are a fool and don't realy know what is happening in SA But as I am, Murry is a direct reaction against the Zumafication aided by the ANCYL. Before they started stiring and promote racisme we were doing better.

      hennie.buys1 - 2012-06-06 19:11

      @phosa.peter2, Explore away and let us know when you've found something of substance :P

  • Carl - 2012-06-06 18:23

    Ronald you have no idea.I hope you can feed your nation one day while you sit on your stoep an smoke your dagga....

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:32


  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-06-06 18:24

    Certain individuals in the ANCYL want farms. That's what all their noise is about. We city dwellers and other landless will not get anything resembling land and may have to be satisfied with taking up our lifelong ambition to become labourers of the new land owners. But it will not quite get to that stage. Start taking over land and the whole country will either have to take strong corrective and extremely unpleasant measures against the instigators or everybody will either lose their jobs and everything else of economic value (including the steady supply of food) or start fleeing to neighbouring countries like the Zimabweans were forced to do while the few elites took what their eyes saw. Simple choice. Luckily we South Africans know we have nowehere to go to. And we know where to find those little bad gnomes who fancy themselves as instant millionaires at the expense of the rest. No clemency or mercy will be shown. Let's see how the population really loses all self-control once the food provision dries up and the local grocer or supermarket runs out of food and other essentials while the little dwarfs in the ANCYL live it up. Can't wait.

      Henk - 2012-06-06 18:38

      Sometimes I wish the old colonial powers will open their doors to South African whites. Then we can let these lot all by themselves. I will give them 5 years to total destruction. It will be another fine example of black governance. Just like the most of Africa. Haiti is a shining example that comes to mind....S

  • Patanke - 2012-06-06 18:35

    Ancyl will change this country,liking it or not

      Ruan - 2012-06-06 18:44

      you can only try but hope you are ready for the elders unleashing discipline on you,plans have already been drawn to counter your type of mentality.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-06-06 18:45

      They will have to bear the unpleasant consequences they invite upon themselves. Like it or not.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:51

      I personally know previously disadvantaged farmers that will love the opportunity to learn the entire portfolio of Farming from Sowing the seeds to doing the books. Seems finding Farmers that are willing to share skills are hard to find hence legislation is required. I disagree with Land grabs. However the farmers must play the game Just a reminder seems Australia will introduce a New Mineral resources TAX on the 1 July 2012 so why not here...????

      Amanda - 2012-06-06 21:09

      Patanke, and you are convinced that this change will be for the better? How?

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-06-07 20:09

      So often my people's comments remind me of the religious debates on these forums. Utterly baseless and irrational assertions, not to mention irrelevant. So the YL will change this country. And then? how? Why? Who doesnt or wont like it? What if the change is for the worse? Nah Patanke man, make an effort, one liners are for toddlers...

  • Gordon20 - 2012-06-06 18:46

    How Black is that guy??

  • ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-06 18:46

    I wonder how Afriforum's meetings are like. If someone walks in on them, yooo, I can put my head on the block and say this items will be found, swastikas, the old flag, a partially burnt national flag, a portrait of Die Groot Krokodil, The Spear, and a cross smeared with grease ready to be burnt.

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 18:49


      Riaan - 2012-06-06 18:55

      And I'm sure if someone blows in your ear, I will be like blowing a conch.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 18:57

      You are so wrong and ignorant. Newer ever dit they threatend to kill any other persone. They only try to prevent stupit people killing innosent farmers and farmworkers. Very few white people want to go back to the past. We want what all SA want and that is to live in a peacefull country were everybody feel safe.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-06 19:00

      Ag Rian, ek's jammer jong, I didn't mean to offend you, my maatjie. Oh did someone try that on you, I mean the blowing thing?

      Tamaranui - 2012-06-06 19:16

      Farmers must learn to share skills and Opportunities, seems this sector requires Legislation to spill the beans....heheheee

      hennie.buys1 - 2012-06-06 19:25

      And I thought only white Afrikaaners can stereotype, thanks for proving me wrong. I also worry about what happens at youth league gatherings since they need to pass condoms around :P

      Andrew - 2012-06-06 19:29

      No ratsaka, you're talking about the right wings. Afriforum is actually an organisation just there to handle issues like this in court, with some good lawyers on their side . Right wings groups however have training commando’s, planning defences and getting ready if something like land grabs do happen. Most white people (including myself) don’t support right wing ethics but if we happen to go the route of civil war, then I’ll stand with the ethnic group that fought 2 land wars, 2 world wars and a lot of skirmishes in their almost 400 years of being in South Africa, and not with a few spineless chickens like Lamola that think the world owe them something. But let’s pray that it doesn’t come down to this.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-06 19:41

      Nettie, very few indeed, I agree, most of them are in organizations like Afriforum, VVK, AWB, etc. And there are sympathizers by the way, I personally know a few. U seem like a very kind-hearted person who believes in people. Can this be explained to me, esp by those whose heads aren't empty, ANCYL sings kill the boer, Afriforum takes them to court, VVK BURN stuff and sing multiple racist slogans and call innocent people names, Afriforum didn't even comment. F-forward today, ANCYL call people Van Tonders and 1 hour later they want to take them to HRC. To me that more than hypocrisy. Any answers? Huh ear blowers?

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-06-06 19:46

      These are the people that feed you and your family ratsaka, give some respect!

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 20:23

      Ratsaka you are very,very confused about the different rolls these different organsations stad for. Unfortunatly I can not explain it to you on this forum there for I ask of you to visit their websites maybe you will find some interesting information. I often have a look at website of ANC and ANCYl just to educate myself

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 20:54

      Ratsaka you must remeber the protest by VVK was very emosional for a byby and woman was strangeld by a black criminal and for the upteenth time this has happend. ANCYl have burned flags and tee shirts and shouted kill kill their own leaders. Compair this incidens and you should see that the VVK had more resone to do what they did althou it is not right. But is there any justification for the actions of the ANCYL. Is there any justification for the YL to sing Kill the farmer in this day and age when we need farmers to supply us with food.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-06-06 21:30

      Nettie, the DA acted, they were the last people I expected to act, I applaused them, I expected Afriforum as they are known to combat hate speech to act, it seems like they act only when it suits them, anyone who justifies, kill the boer slogan is an idiot, and anyone who justifies the VVK's actions is an idiot. A baby died, because of two criminals, and someone blames 30million black people for it, and it's justified? Nothing will be said that will make me think otherwise about Afriforum, their action proves who they are, not what's on their website, and as for the Bakers-man-can, my dear friend, i PAY, for everything that goes to our mouths, and I respect them, but sorry to disappoint u, I'm not gonna call them baas. And hei, I hate muffins, esp. with big mouths.

      Zion - 2012-06-07 08:35

      A rather senile statement I dare say.

      Rob - 2012-06-26 17:53

      Its amazing how little fact is required to change the human mind. Greed presides over all.

  • donald.perumal - 2012-06-06 18:49

    Comrades What is saddening is that even after policy on land has been adopted and debated:then refined, we have not agreed on a policy that best addresses the land question.Either we are completely out of depth or bankrupt that we cannot move beyond the "Zimbobwe land gran lunacy".We cannot use the question of land to garner votes,its too emotional and dangerous.The ANCYL have shown time and again that the land question can be manipulated to fight their political battles. They have not contributed to settling the land problem.Quite frankly.I think they believe taht they will be the greatest beneficiaries of land in the their quest for "land grab". These are the very individuals who have secured large salaries in excess of one million, now they want free land so that they can live in luxury without lifting a finger. The Government needs to solve this problem in a way all SAns can be proud and happy.It is possible!

  • Graham - 2012-06-06 18:52

    Go and check out Lisbon Citrus farm 7KM from the main KNP gate and see what happens when a farm is handed over to unqualified people. The farm was successful for decades but now has been totally destroyed. There is nothing left, the tress are dead, the buildings have been stripped of anything that can be removed and hundreds of jobs have been lost.

      ako.gutshwa.7 - 2012-06-06 19:26

      You know this is not the only farm that one there's quite a number of farms out there which are not properly utilized because are on the wrong hands, really we cannot lie and say grabbing land without proper training will bring us any good instead we are heading for a disaster I'm telling you. Ok if I can be given land today with all equipment in the world do you is there anything I can do. Farming is not 'n pap en vleis

      alansmartSnr - 2012-06-06 20:17

      .. Shame, you poor disarranged idiot.. you like a car chasing and barking at a car. When you eventually catch it, you dont know what to do with it! It will be like that for all these land hungry bigots. The land will lay to waste. It's happened before and will keep on happening. At least some of the top ANC cadres recognise this and will probably make an effort to come to some arrangement in which food security will be ensured

  • Clifford Cde Makhonya - 2012-06-06 18:55

    gwede u a old chief step down decem is coming

  • philas.ntuli - 2012-06-06 18:58

    ANCYL members are a collection of headless chikens.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 19:04

    Well said Riaan.

  • Jordan - 2012-06-06 19:05

    The ANC always do exactly the opposite of what they say they're going to do. Be careful, we will fight what we worked for.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 19:08

    People dont let YL or any other idiot organisation intimidate you.

  • Millos Mpofu - 2012-06-06 19:09

    Taking land like Mugabe we still not solve the problem of unemployment and service delivery . How many people coming from other countries we have here .The youth must stay away to those use drugs and speak the FILM of DRUGS .Bahluleka kusebentela lusha babona kuqono kudvunga sive maybe uzama kutfola i award njenga juliyasi ngoba beli phepha dzaba tsite batsi batse ngise kahle ngaye

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 19:11

    Ay there are some very brainy agents making comments here.It has to be very frustrating being dof shame man.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-06 19:23

    Eish another brainy agent comment.

  • Hans - 2012-06-06 19:24

    Die 4kleur sal weer wapper. In every story there is darkness and light. You dear fellow is the darkness...sith...cancer...mordor of civilization. But like with any story, the darkness in the end, is overcome by light. Goodness overcomes evil, and your ticket is booked on the highway to hell.

  • Charnelle - 2012-06-06 19:31

    SA we are officially f*!@*3d! Always thought our oranges and meat produce were the best in the world! Now even that is getting political.

      Charnelle - 2012-06-06 19:39

      Instead of an annoying orange, we can have a political orange.

  • Max - 2012-06-06 19:35

    the "local cANCer" vermin forget that the Western powers run this country, (just look around at all the Western influence) when they start playing with the "gateway" to Africa and want to put hurdles in the Western powers vision of mining resources and the oil reserves, I can tell you that there is only one way this is will end. Western powers will DECIMATE the "local cANCer" bring on the USAF, YOHHAAAA!!!!

      Cuanita Gevers - 2012-06-06 19:56

      Exactly. What is the latest $ value being given to Malawi by the UK? ANCYL probably don't even know never mind understand! how much money has come to the whole of Africa from the West. They should take a very long walk off a short bridge!

      Denise - 2012-06-08 01:35

      In the past 50 years the West have given Africa more than $1 trillion. Yet Africa remains in dire economic straits & is even poorer than it was before the foreign aid began. Africa is currently receiving more than $25 billion in aid. Africa is living more out of a begging bowl than it earns through its own efforts. Why is it that a peasant in ice-cold Russia, or a farmer in Arctic Canada or a farmer in the deserts of Australia can get a higher return on investment than a Black African in warm tropical Africa where there is no winter & it rains much of the year round. Why it is that people who live in a perfect farming climate are starving to death year after year while others who live in snow-fields or in deserts can provide for themselves. Africa's greatest prosperity occurred during colonialism. If we had been left alone for another hundred years, Africa could have been a super-power. In recent decades Africa has been moving backwards. To those of us who live here - none of this comes as a surprise. We just look at it and say "We told you so!" Our enemies like to portray white Africans as a bunch of evil people who enjoy treading on Blacks. But they will see that as the decades go by we actually saw through these Black African "Liberators". We know African leaders are nothing more than liars & criminals & that they don't even care about their own people & that they are not fit to govern. We are being proven right & will be proven even more right in the future.

  • ben.thabang.7 - 2012-06-06 19:37

    bladdy anc u sold land to whites.wer is azania???land first all shall follow.africans rytful owners of africa.for victory not for compromise.izwe lethu....

      Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-06 20:18

      I was born in Africa, so was my parents and my grand parents. I am as much African as what you are my friend. Oh, and "Africans rytful owners", so by the way, if that is the way you like to reason, here is a pearler for you "black people" don't own South Africa, as the first people who lived in South Africa were the Koi San tribe, so if THAT is the way you want to reason, best you pack your bags as well, as you are also a "settler". Bet you didn't know that.

      Tax - 2012-06-06 20:34

      My double barrel shotgun will fit nicely in those wide nostrils of yours

      Arp Liebenberg - 2012-06-06 21:08

      absolute rubbissh you moron

  • Sipho - 2012-06-06 20:46

    I am a black man. Working at a major Engineering firm, I have obtained my honours degree and I came face to face with fierce competition upon applying for this job, from many races, I got this job in in 1993, yet I got my job, based purely on my skill and experience, there were no hand outs. This is my achievement. To all these young black men wanting to start a war, remember one thing, De Klerk announced the release of Mandela, a legend, he was a white man. To all these young black man who are for the Land Reform, remember this, your digging in dustbins because you chose not to finish school and get a higher education. Young black man, remember this, Zuma does not even know your name, to him you are only a number. Young black man, work for what you own. It is much more rewarding.

      brian.ngcobo.54 - 2012-06-06 21:23

      I agree with u Sipho it's hard out there and u need to fend for urself. But I disagree with u when u say ppl who never finished high school or went to varsity chosed that, maybe few did. That statement is offensive bcs some of those ppl who eat on dustbins have no one who cares about them and for them to be in that situation they was someone who was the cause of that. What DeKlerk did was gud but I wouldn't call him and legend.

      Deon Du Plessis - 2012-06-06 21:24

      Hallelujah Sipho for President!!!!! And how does it make you feel getting to where you are today, based upon your SKILL, not "hand outs" or any other reason? I'm willing to guess damn proud, like you quite rightfully should feel!!!! Anyone scan sit in a corner and wait for handouts, but to physically get off ou @ss, and get there yourself, THAT is total different story all together. Sipho, with thinkers like yourself, we can build this country into something brilliant, I just wish there were more like you out there.

      hennie.horne - 2012-06-06 21:29

      Sipho its people like u that can turn this country around again. Nobody could hav sd it better man. I realy am speechless. Our youth has no selfrespect.

      Cuanita Gevers - 2012-06-06 21:34

      Freaking well done!! Honestly!!! Don't you just feel damn proud and appreciate everything so much more? Of course you do, just like every normal citizen would!! Your comment is such a breath of FRESH Air! For a moment I thought the whole of SA has gone absolutely MAD!

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-06-06 21:40

      Sipho you give me hope for the futur of SA. I just want to add that you do not neen higher education to make sukses of your live with hard work and a postive out look on live you can make it

      chanki.modise - 2012-06-07 05:42

      sipho Those people you talking abt who eat in dustbins have you ever talked to them and fine out why do they did the answer is no cos you living high life i feel sorry for you sipho most of those people you see in street my friend is the result of that office you sitting on.thou i wl agree with you with one thing young people get education so we can take our land our land sipho not white men land

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-07 08:34

      Chanki - Sipho can live how he wants because he EARNED and WORKED hard for it!! Just because he doesn't eat out of a dustbin doesn't mean he has no compassion for those that do BUT.. Everybody has a choice in LIFE as to what they want to achieve: do I ant to work at becoming something great or just sit around and wait for things to happen? How do you get or achieve anything by doing nothing?? This is NOT your land! You clearly think you deserve something for nothing just because of the color of your skin.. Get over yourself

      Jenny - 2012-06-07 19:39

      Indeed Sipho - too true. I wonder why all those calling for redistribution of land really think that the country won't starve once there are no proper farmers growing food for us all. It costs money to plant crops, work the land, feed animals, harvest and distribute to consumers. Where will thieves and land grabbers get the money to even grow a small vegetable patch, never mind feeding milions of hungry mouths. If you're hungry now, do as Sipho suggests... get educated and work like he does. If you kill the golden goose cause then you'll starve along with the rest of us.

      jaguarpaw.ndinisa - 2012-06-07 21:20

      Confetti for you, my brother. Macro evolution is slow, but we getting there, mfowethu...

      Jazzy - 2012-06-07 21:24

      I like this man!

  • brian.ngcobo.54 - 2012-06-06 20:55

    Honestly land expropriation is just a ludicrous idea. That Lamola guy is a prodigy of Malema. This current ANCYL is a total mess that is just trying to create a situation like that in Zim. I'd say they smoke too much wooonga, if u ask me.

      chanki.modise - 2012-06-07 05:28

      Brain wake up and smile coffee dude this people killed our forefathers for our land dude.just go to China that land belongs to Chinese.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-06-07 08:29

      Chanki - this people? I'm sorry but was I there? Stop lambasting people who were not there and have done nothing to you. Go get a job, EARN a living and pay for what I've paid for to be comfortable. Did somebody tell

      Jenny - 2012-06-07 19:42

      We shouldn't dignify this Lamola guy by even commenting on his nonsense. The ANCYL are a bigger problem for the ANC than any of the opposition parties and they act like hooligans and talk nonsense.

      Tyrone - 2012-06-08 13:33

      @Chanki What makes a person African??? The colour of their skin?? Or the country they were born in?? im gonna go with the country they were born in. im just as much African as you are. Just because you are black and im white makes us soooo different, that you would want to destroy lives to fufill yours?? We all breath the same air and bleed the same blood! And PS.. I am not my forefathers and had nothing to do with my forfathers actions and neither did you! So for you to act on History is ignorant and if everyone in the world acted on history, we would not have a world left!! Just saying!

  • rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-06-06 21:51

    I struggle to understand how the ANC and ANCYL can both have such different ideas, yet they are both the same organization.If your policies differ that much, why not become a seperate party with your own idologies and policies.Is their a single thing that they agree on? I think that the ANCYL says what the ANC feels but are afriad of saying in public.

      Allan - 2012-06-07 10:49

      The answer lies in the NDR policy statement of the ANC in which they will support "change agents" in a specific sector to bring about required change. It is not a secret but ANCYL is the change agent for nationalisation and land affairs as has been confirmed by statements made my Mr Malema and co. The ANC sees itself as overall arbitrator in the process and will allow the change agent to push the process as far as possible before they ratify the process. That is why Mantashe, Phoza, JZ etc talk to the audience and publicly state they do not support a particular policy to try to keep the calm and buy time for the change agent to get the job done. What the ANC says and does are two very different stories. Can they be trusted - you make the call

  • lionelskrieger - 2012-06-06 21:59

    these kindergarden palookas will run the government in the near future and implement what they are threatening now. in n mate isit die boere se eie skuld ok. wens almal wil net om n tafel sit en gesels oor herverdeling en hoe om dit so pynloos as moontlik vir almal te laat geskiet

  • Carl - 2012-06-06 23:26

    Oh forgot. Stock up on the baked beans and bully beef and remember the skottle braai!