Malema: Brace for a mining revolution

2012-08-23 20:46

Marikana - Former ANC Youth League president Julius Malema on Thursday warned the country's mines should brace for a revolution unless workers' conditions improve.

Malema was speaking at a memorial service for the 44 workers killed during an illegal strike at Lonmin's Marikana platinum mine.

If working conditions on the mines "are not going to change, we are going to see more of the strikes in the mining sector", he said.

"This is a mining revolution. We are not going to to retreat, we are not going to surrender until the white man gives us our money," he added to loud applause from thousands who gathered at the service that leading politicians said should remain religious.

He accused top government officials, including Zuma, of failing to act for workers because they were enjoying mining profits.

"The reason government is failing to intervene in the mines is because our leaders are involved in the mines," he said.

  • Thabang - 2012-08-23 21:01

    He might be hated, but He speaks a lot of truth which can't be denied. Seems this revolution has been forthcoming. With or without him.

      derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-08-23 21:08

      You are right Thabang, but he's only hated by those that fear him, and fear the revolution that is comming.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-23 21:12

      At what point is this incitement against the law? When do they come and arrest this arrogant ingrate.

      timothy.jenkin - 2012-08-23 21:15

      What revolution? Revolution should bring out better! It's not white or black, is sinful behavior that will bring an end to our hopes. What good is change if the change is not for the better. I don't like Malema, lets just ask ourselves if he has taken more than he has given.

      timothy.jenkin - 2012-08-23 21:25

      Sort of like Zimbabwe's revolution?

      pietyster.vanstaal - 2012-08-23 21:33

      Is it just me or does Malema look more and more like the Michelin man? Jeez, the boy is getter rounder and rounder.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:38

      Malema is exercising his democratic rights to free speech. Warning people of an impending disaster isn't the same as causing it. And if one little private citizen -- fully separated from any organisational power-base to back him up --- is somehow capable of "provoking" or "inciting" a massive nationwide revolution, you had also better accept that this one man has quite exceptional qualities of leadership. Democracy isn't for sissies.

      john.barbarian.9 - 2012-08-23 21:38

      So...that was all about. Soweto Rising from 1976 in updated version. Mining Industry Riots/"Revolution" and ...imminent Nationalisation Freedom Fighter Juju..ANYL President that become a slave, a Slave that become a gladiator..let he'll never become a next RSA president.

      Vince.York - 2012-08-23 22:14

      Malema is being directed by string pulling foreign communists who want a shortcut to SA's coffers easy money. He will do nothing for the people!

      grant.cloete.9 - 2012-08-23 22:16

      @blip.noodlum *African democracies

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 22:32

      It's not treason to CHALLENGE the state -- it's everyone's democratic right and duty to do so. Treason is when you try to overthrow the state by force of arms in times of peace or by betraying it in times of war.

      penny.stone.589 - 2012-08-23 22:40

      Methinks both yourself and Fatboy suffer from short-term memory syndrome. The name "Aurora" comes to mind when ex-ANCYL Juju opens his rather large gob about whites not paying miners their wages.

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-23 23:54

      CONFUCIUS SAYS: It is always the smallest dog that barks the loudest...

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-24 00:18

      Blip.noodlum, you are quite right, but your analysis lacks depth. Malema appeals to a quasi-literate proletariat. They do not read, few have access to independent news channels and few understand the language that the news is given in and there for are not capable looking critically at the half truths and lies that Malema weaves into his harangues. What Malema does not tell them is that misery in their lives cannot be cured by their current course of action, because he does not have the answer and does not care. His quest is a return to the fold so he can continue looting the stae coffers for his own benefit, just as Zuma and his cronies are doing .

      timothy.jenkin - 2012-08-24 00:28

      At Kevin. I fully agree. The fight is for power and not leadership. Malema is pointing fingers.

      warren.moore.7545 - 2012-08-24 03:46

      Viva La Malema...

      warren.moore.7545 - 2012-08-24 03:48

      Viva La Malema...

      juannepierre - 2012-08-24 05:02

      Bending the truth to suite yourself is called propaganda. He is hands down, the best propaganda politician we have in SA. But remember who was made famous from propaganda... Hitler, and he was fighting for his people too.

      juannepierre - 2012-08-24 05:13

      Three black men ran the gold mines in the eastrand into the ground! One, the grandson of Mandela, the other the nephew of Zuma. This is management, yo. But I'm not fooled, mines don't affect me so if miners want to hack police and police want to shoot miners, who am I to say anything. I will say this, white men are powerful, to cause such a massacre but to have zero in attendance, wow they are powerful. And clever orchestrators too.

      mike.dufham.7 - 2012-08-24 06:49

      I agree. These people are revolting

      tw2066 - 2012-08-24 07:08

      LOL Mike .... made my day!!

      kurtmaurice.roman - 2012-08-24 07:23

      Yes he is an idiot. He is for nationalization of the mines, but accuses Government of profiting from the mines??? What does he want? He is in it for his own gain and profit. Why is he still being heard??? the only reason I can think of is for his political and monetary gain... - 2012-08-24 08:06

      @ blip.noodlum No,Malema is not "...exercising his democratic rights to free speech." Please see sections 16 and 36 of the Constitution. - 2012-08-24 09:24

      Yes dear Thabang and Derek, people fear Malema and his hate speech because he is trying so hard to be like Mugabe! Innocent people are getting killed. I don't see Malema running side by side with the ignorant people he mind-f*ed to attack and kill or get killed! He sits in his expensive suit and watches his little puppets. What has he done for you lately??

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-08-24 12:37

      @thabang; SA has 80% of the known platinum in the world. SA has an increasingly unstable mining atmosphere i.e. Malema calling for the nationalization of mines, here talking about revolution. Companies that use platinum in the products are looking for other products or other sources of platinum to substitute for platinum because the place that produces 80% of the platinum may be in political and social upheaval. This is a global economy and the mines and the workers have a far larger issue to deal with besides wages for the worker and bonuses for management. The real concern should be; "are we, by our refusal to find peaceful ways to resolve our disputes (in all SA labor disputes) making the world look for other sources for platinum or materials other than platinum?" The world looks at SA and sees the social, political, and economic instability and they are looking for alternatives to SAffrican sources and products. They are asking themselves; "why stake our financial future on a country that may become the next Zimbabwe." And trust me they will have found other sources long before the revolution takes place. What Mr. Malema is promising the mine workers may end up being a greater % of nothing. Businesses don't like to do business in countries going through a revolution, be it the first or the second.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:08

      Doesn't matter if Juju's proles are "quasi-literate". They can vote. And that is the only thing that matters. All politicians need votes -- and lots of them -- to gain control of the levers of power. And a dumb, poor, illiterate vote is indistinguishable from a rich smart double-degreed vote. And sections 16 and 36 of the constitution are NOT being breached by anything Malema has said or done -- he can be charged by you or by me if we feel that he has. Nobody has done so. And exercising your democratic rights robustly is not treason -- once again, if you think differently, press charges. We are all democratically entitled to propose wildly radical change and to reshape the country any way we like -- even suggest a Stalinist communist one-party state -- as long as we go about gaining power through the legitimate ballot box. (The same way, incidentally, that Hitler did.)

      marcusvandermerwe - 2012-08-24 22:33

      To those that supports Malema. Did you not believe the same crazy promises before 1994? Did you also not believe JZ's 5million jobs? So what makes you think this will be different? Did Julius present to you exactly HOW his master plan will liberate SA economically? No, he just said he will take the mines. And without a basic understanding of economics you will you will believe this lie, until you flee across the border to Namibia looking for food. So, good luck!

      doug.norris.581 - 2012-08-25 01:27

      thabang.bonang The way in which he articulates his message does not win friends among those who oppose him, but we should still take note of the message. A major problem is that platinum mining is not sustainable at current platinum prices which are set by international markets - there is surplus in production which is suppressing prices. Can mining costs be reduced while improving conditions for the miners? I'm not in a position to answer this question, but suspect that transparency and a real desire to improve things on behalf of the mining companies may help.

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-08-25 11:22

      Blip, A Stalinist state is exactly what Juju is trying to sell to the masses. In fact, he could be a reincarnation of Josef Stalin. He has a low IQ like Stalin and because of that Juju also only understands revolution, and nothing else, not even basic economics principles.

      mark.richardson.3914207 - 2012-08-25 13:07

      thats the future of south africa, at least he says what all the anc elite thinks. the dream that a rainbow nation could exist is just that. Once in control racist SAA ( as mentioned in the USA and european press) leads the way, face up to it, if ou can move and join the millions that have do it before its to late. To late is the day the man with the vision ( madiba) that sadly wont come true passes on. There is little or no control with the radical middle terrorist class. Vrot banana republic approaches at a rate of knots. - 2012-08-25 19:05

      what are you reading? Apart from shouting and screaming "bs" he knows nothing about running a country, let alone a 7/11....

  • Adil Smit - 2012-08-23 21:03

    Agree that the conditions need to improve but does he not know Mr Ramaphosa is on Lonmin's board?

      pietyster.vanstaal - 2012-08-23 21:35

      How can he, look at his school report card, the little fat boy is not the brightest tool in the shed.

      rontheogre - 2012-08-23 23:23

      It is irrelevant who owns what and sits on the board of Lonmin. Malema will do himself a huge favour(and perhaps some injury as education seems hard work to him) if he, as well as the affected miners and their unions, first familiarise themselves with the economics involved. The price of platinum has increased by an average of 8% for the past 5 years and has regularly achieved record highs, but the cost of production has also increased by an average of 15% per year, placing companies like Lonmin in the position where they are scarcely making a profit. It took me years to educate my workers(with only partial success) in the building trade that if I charged R800 000 to build a house, I did not make R800 000 profit. The fact that the majority of the funds went into building materials and labour seemed to escape them totally. The same goes for the mining sector.

      willie.botha2 - 2012-08-24 07:19

      He does actually. See this news report :

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-24 08:13

      @Ronald, I swear I dont know where you get your information from but you are talking out your ass. The operating expenses for Lonmin in the FH1 time period of 2011 was $792m, for the same FH1 time period of 2012 it is $737m, thats a 7% decrease in operating expenses. For the entire 2011 year Lonmin made over R2 billion profit. You are also forgetting that mining for a precious mineral is far different from building a house. If I dig up 100 ounces of Platinum in the USA I can sell it for, depending on WORLD prices for $150 000... If I dig up the same 100 ounces in RSA I can sell it for $150 000... The ONLY difference in mines mining precious minerals around the world is the operating costs. ps. I dont see USA, UK, AUS, Spanish, German miners etc, living in shacks next to the mine and can hardly survive on the salaries they receive. This is the underlying and fundamental problem with this countries mining industry.

      rontheogre - 2012-08-24 10:37

      MIchael, the comment I made about EDUCATION also applies to you, it seems. The figures I mentioned was for the platinum trade in SA as a whole, you moron. Nowhere did I state that this was Lonmin,s stats. After reading the following you might come to the conclusion that my ass is more qualified to comment than you. Read it an weep., or at, or, or, or

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-24 12:32

      actually you did, so go back to school, moron. Below are your words. "The price of platinum has increased by an average of 8% for the past 5 years and has regularly achieved record highs, but the cost of production has also increased by an average of 15% per year, placing companies like Lonmin in the position where they are scarcely making a profit." You might want to refer to your part about Lonmin, it is on the last line if your cataracts are blinding you. R2 billion is hardly scarcely unless you run Apple Inc. You dont own Apple Inc. do you????? moron

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-24 13:55

      what cat & paste king is to dumb to realize, is that the black mine owner would pay the miners even less, just look at Arora, when they didnt get paid for 2 years, besides which Lonmin has a black south african on the board, so its not taking the money from the white man only, it is also taking the money from the black ANC man too.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:11

      pietyster -- old PW Botha also only had a matric. No degree.

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-08-23 21:04

    I think the "revolution" you are going to see are mines closing down, thousands losing their jobs and "the white man" taking his skills and expertise elsewhere.

      derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-08-23 21:12

      If that's what it takes, I'd say goodbye and good riddance.

      juicecard.tshaka - 2012-08-23 21:27

      @ nicholas as long as the white man doesn`t take with him the minerals its fine.I think what we fail to acknowledge and realise is that we are all stake holders in this, the miners;the mine owners and gvt. So why not promote a codial and beneficial relationship between all concerned?

      nhamo.dzenyika - 2012-08-23 21:29

      set the ball rolling please Nick....and stop whining and complaining. at least you intend to do something. when do you intend to leave by the way?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:41

      The "white man" can't, however, take the platinum and gold and whatever with him elsewhere.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-08-23 21:44

      @nhamo.dzenyika It's not me doing the wining and complaining bud, its Julius Malema. I am not going anywhere (sorry), this is just as much my country as it is yours. @Juicecard are right but at the moment Malema and other opportunists are being everything but cordial. Him and the government treat the mines as arch enemies. @Derek, easy and dumb thing to say ..but I am sure you already know that!

      lynn.adams.7161 - 2012-08-23 21:57

      Hey Nicolas you are a genius.

      salee.sithwell - 2012-08-24 00:27

      Well, nicholas.graan, there are not a lot of "elsewheres" out there. Ultimately, the "white man" will realise that everyone is in this together and therefore, must work together. There is only one planet earth (resources) and one humankind (labour).

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 01:47

      @ PJP, You will find that Black people will hate all whites because of your reasoning and attitude, and your comment is typical of news24 bloggers. I though beg to differ with you, Blacks, since navigation and sea travel was possible, to you whites, have given their lives, blood and sweat to the development of many a nation, through slavery when the plantations in the Americas used black labour as upgraded horses, right through to the very creation of this country where through the migrant labour system and apartheid we provided the necessary labour that built this country. We may not have designed the roads, but it was our hands that bled laying the concrete. The thing is you can't also survive with blacks, esp. not in this country. Whites only comprise 5 million in a nation of 50 mil, you will not sway the black vote with your attitude, if anything you are just playing into Mr Malema's hands. Whether the country goes down by black people's hands they wikk still hate you for it. Remember though, you stand more to lose than them. Do enjoy your racial supremacy ideologies further. Sure they will serve you and your generations to come a long way. To my black people, join the movement, print out this news24 comments and spread them in our communities. Remind our people of this hate come election time

      duane.low - 2012-08-24 07:19

      @ gerald , you make some valid points , thing is your dislike and hate for the other race is just as visiable, i liked what you were saying untill you went all "native" on us? sure you not related to malema? how about winding in your neck and stop riding on the back of other races. by the way on voting day the ruling party feed the voters for a day with a free meal (but where are they the next few years?) rather remind the shallow thinking voters that they must not waist the one day they REALLY have to make a change to their life. you have tried it for so long surely at least wonder why?

      alisha.abad.7 - 2012-08-24 08:16

      @ PJP - When the white man had invented ships and technology and begun expanding acrross the globe, your people were in loin cloths, lived in mud huts with cow dung floors, worshipped the ancestors and belived in witchcraft, killed one another in in tribal feuds, raped the women of other tribes after killing their husbands and looted and stole each other's cattle. Besides all that you sat in your kraal doing nothing productive. What exactly has changed in the last 350 years? Nothing. Your people are still primitive. If it wasn't for the white man, you would not have schools, churced, brick RDP houses, cars, taxis, modern clothes, cellphones, TV, ovens, paying jobs .... nothing. How about a big of gratitude!

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 11:02

      @ Leornardb1, i have googled what you suggested and the bulk of what is written was based on studies/sryveys done in America abd Britain, by white people. Most of the work are opinions of observers/commentators who are not even social anthropologists...three themes hoever reverberate...1) black people are angry 2)It is undeniable that the psychopathology of angry black men is wrapped up in the historical legacy of colonialism, slavery and injustice – something which 400 years has not been able to completely eradicate, no matter how prosperous, affluent or technologically savvy we have become, 3)that anger disempowers, in most cases, and absolves them of their sense of responsibilty, thus making it even more difficult to solver their own problems. Hence i take responsibilty for my own circumstances and slave off to improve my and my immediates situation. I lament the passing of Steve Biko and black consciousness. I will do my small measure to makeblack people love themselves and see themselves through their own eyes and not of those like PJP or Claudia_meads. Black people have always been apologetic of being black, i am bold enough to admit, Codesa talks and transition from apartheid is further proof of that, the problem filters through even from our esteemed leaders like Rolihlahla Mandela, Thabo Mbeki, Zuma, Ciryl Ramaphosa (biggest trade unionist turned biggest oppressor and vehicle of white at Lonmin prove it).

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 11:16

      I remain unapologetic of my love for Black people above White people, of the oppressed beyond the oppressor. I cannot to blame or whine about apartheid or Whites, but i will move everything to let my people see you for what you truly are, and news24 is a sensitive barometer of white sentiment. It starts with us, black people can/will shun our oppressed history and solve our own problems, irrespetive of/despite you. Travesty Mr Mbeki was cut off, he was on the right path with nepad and african renaissance. Through out history, the truly capable blacks have always been silenced out...Martin Luther King, Robert Sobukwe, Steve Biko, Thabo Mbeki..etc. The likes of PJP and Alisha.abad.7 and Duane.Low clearly have not need of votes from shallow thinking voters, so why must we vote in tandem with them? Alisha also retords that we should be thankful of white domination, but i ask...why must we always preface criticism of apartheid/exploitation with gratitude. Similarly, must i now not criticise the ANC because they have "freed" us? The arrogance extends further...beacuse white people, though the Rennaisance and Industrial revolution, attained greater scientific progress before others, and used it to assert themselves, you assume that we would not have achieved it also. but i beg to differ, it was merely a case of whites got there first.

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 11:27

      Mfecane Defecane is the early 19th century is testament to our road to progress that got halted, not different to the civil strife that plaqued Japan in the 16th century or what happened in europe. but with us you will see it as barbarism, but it was an attempt to unify the many small tribes under one banner to create a dynasty which would then have hailed social and scietific progress...even then before the colonisation we had a rudimentary form of iron mining. Europe went through similar tests, even the canosisation of scriptures into your great fantasy book called the bible in the 3rd century led to lots of blood shed but unified people and created the necessary fodder for your development. Let us be abundantly clear, white people hold no moratorium to E = MC2 or pythogarus. It is idiocy and simple mindedness to assume such. Parts of the problems Africa face even today is because of colonisation, imperialism and the rape of Africa, which still goes on today...I rather a million blacks, including myself, die of starvation if it means avoiding the hail of bullets from blacks to blacks to line the pockets of white capital. i rather all rhinoes extinct if it menas black life will be sparred from the whole poaching debacle that only claims black life. Hell, dinosaurs are extinct and the world continues just fine. I put blacks first and i am not ashamed, if to you all that makes me a racist then so be it!

      Parys - 2012-08-24 12:45

      Then after the whities have left, the Chinese will be invited in to run the mines. Now you check out their mining safety record and think how many will then die.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-08-24 15:10

      @Salee – Entrepreneurs and businessmen will find “elsewhere’s” They been doing it since time immemorial and have already started moving north, mainly through invitation from the black governments there. I think the “White man” already realizes that we need to work together ...the other things you say also sound very nice. The reality however is very different. Mining is an exceptionally complicated and expensive business. As if that wasn’t enough, in South Africa you have a government that views mines as the enemy and is constantly threatening them (never mind the billions in tax that the mines pay to help keep those big cadre stomachs full). You then have some of the most militant and destructive Trade Unions in the world, making sure that life remains as difficult as possible to mine in South Africa. Would you invest billions of dollars of your money over 30 years in SA under those conditions?

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 15:35

      @ Rooster "...but two wrongs dont make a right". I agree 100%. I just though dont see what wrong your statement suggests i am doing. For the record, i dont hate white people, i dont dislike them. My priority though is Black people. "As a white person i am totally frustrated by the ANC...". Newsflash, not as a black person but as a South African i am totally frustrated by the ANC. I will agree with you about one, putting the blame for our (read Black) current problems and ills on apartheid and White people is useless and disempowering. I long to see my people leave their fascination with White people and strive to create their own realities. I dont blame Whites, i just dont see answers coming from White people, news sites like this further cement my belief that only Blacks will solve their problems, whether created by them or not. After the national party won the elction from the union party Hertzog advocated a bi-stream development of Afrikaans and English, realising that Afrikaans as a culture would be drowned by English. Does that mean he hated the English, i would think not. With the cureent realities of our country, both black and white, for we all have equal claim to it, i strongly and firmly oppose a white led government. The DA support base comprises of the likes of news24 bloggers. We (black people) have a power in numbers, i will invest all my resources to keep the black vote from the DA. PJP, Alisha and all clearly do not need a "shallow" voter base.

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 16:51

      @ rooster "The DA is growing amongst black people". Of course, but i will do my bit to slow that growth, as, as you have no doubt, so does news24 commentators. The most telling thing is the DA's emerging black profile, i stand to be corrected, comprises the new generation of educated employed coming through. Five of my closest friends, were in the DA, of them 1 remains, of the four that have left 2 have joined me in distributing news24 comments. Regardless,, i do not believe the growth will dent or shift the ANC's dominance. Whether white people are keen on the success of blacks i will remain indiferent to it, as it is a matter of debate. White people in news24 have no right to vent their frustration at the broader black demographic because of the ANC's failures. Just as Blacks should not hate all white people because of apartheid or a few bigots on news24. I long to see a black administration that can unshackle itself from Verwoed's generational tragedy and claim its rightful place. The ANC as it is today is far from that party, but i do believe the very change to true freedom will start within the ANC. After the French Revolution, the initially well meaning revolutionaries are far more oppressive than the French monarchy during the Reign of Terror. The ANC now, is at that phase, it will implode if it does not reform, from within. In the meantime, as Blacks, let us cease the violence against others, against ourselves especially, and put each other first!

      pisciotta - 2012-08-24 20:40

      Alisha? You were writing to me? PJP? I'm White. Perhaps you meant to write to Gerald. I am also an American. Blacks in America are far better than Blacks in Africa. They are civilized, educated, and have contributed greatly not to just America but to the world. Blacks in Africa are still stuck in the bush by comparison. Slavery may have been an evil system but it resulted in so many Blacks having a decent chance now for a decent life. Africa seems to be doomed. If mankind really started there, mankind had to leave to become "human".

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-08-24 21:42

      @ rooster, the respect i had for you is fast diminishing if you will not see the racism in PJP and Alisha, further proof that you (read white) and me (black) can never work as a collective. i dont dispute that africa is behind, but i objected to alisha's comment that if it were not for colonialism and imperialism we would still be stuck in mud huts. that statement assumes it is beyond our capability as blacks to develop seperate to the white man, but if you look at my post above i have argued against that notion. the unfortunate thing is that is an academic point as we were colonised already. i dont dispute Africa is behind in terms of development, or that some of the problems thereto are of our own creation. You mention Indians and how progressive they are. i agree. i want the same for black people. i care not to blame apartheid or whites. i am a master of my own destiny and i shall shape my own future. i shall not look for my answers from white people or apartheid, apartheid is dead together with its cowardly architects. in time you will see more black people adopt this mentality, PJP is a sad case i care not to comment about. As for you, clearly...our spades have differenet shapes.

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-08-23 21:04

    one man poison is another man's meat.Miner's families are mourning whilst Malema is gaining popularity.This unAfrican.Hoping he leaves to his promises.What happenned today is comical.

      nhamo.dzenyika - 2012-08-23 21:11

      how much did your boss promise you Mr bootlicker?

      pisciotta - 2012-08-24 00:45

      Albert: and that is why Africa will always be the anus of the world.

  • tobydt - 2012-08-23 21:05

    Mmm... would all be so noble, if the dude didnt steal millions from the tax payers, or lived in a mansion.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:42

      He helped himself to the fruit from a low-hanging branch. Carpe diem.

      tobydt - 2012-08-23 22:03

      blip.noodlum - "He helped himself to the fruit from a low-hanging branch. Carpe diem." Yeah, now the poor short people dont have any fruit. Julius is partly responsible for the state of Limpopo. Along with this government he now hates.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 22:34

      Partly responsible? Aren't we all?

      tobydt - 2012-08-23 22:43

      blip.noodlum - "Partly responsible? Aren't we all?" No. Corrupt politicians, greedy tenderpreneurs and incompetent politicians are responsible.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-24 00:22

      And he wants to continue helping himself and his cronies to the funds in the provincial government coffers.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:23

      We, the people, elected those greedy so-and-sos, so we ARE collectively responsible. At the next election do more than merely cast your vote -- do as much as you humanly can to persuade 4 other people to vote for the party of your choice if, at the previous election, they had voted for some other party or had not voted at all. If you don't even try, you're just as much to blame as the people who directly voted ANC anyway. Look at what Juju is doing in exercising HIS democratic rights to advance his own cause. And with great success too. Without ANC back-up or advanced education in communication or psychology. Of course he's selfish, greedy and opportunistic -- and it's his democratic right to be that way, even if it annoys us.

  • flower.fourie - 2012-08-23 21:07

    The only word in malema's vocabulary is revolution, how about doing things the good old fashioned way rather than destroying everything in your path.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:47

      "Revolution" just sounds so cool -- and he loves his "revolutionary" Che beret. And his revolutionary Rayban Aviators. And his revolutionary Breitling watch. All very revolutionarily revolutionary. Amandla Viva. Et cetera. Cuba Libre. With a revolutionary number of ice cubes, thanks, comrade.

  • Sechaba30 - 2012-08-23 21:12

    Beneficiaries of Apartheid are exploiting our mineral resources, let the Mining revolution start now. Infact let the economic revolution start now.

      Adil Smit - 2012-08-23 21:16

      You know who owns AURORA mines, Cyril Ramaphosa on Lonmin's board? 18years of ANC rule - why still blame apartheid?

      derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-08-23 21:21

      I'm with you all the way, I was one of those beneficiaries but some of us can see the injustice.

      Adil Smit - 2012-08-23 21:25

      Sechaba, Google LONMIN

      pietyster.vanstaal - 2012-08-23 21:41

      Sechaba, I know you are only here to get reaction from people. But I challenge you. Answer me straight you hooligan. Who will own the mines if given to black people? The people? Wrong. The Ramaphosa's, Motsepe's and Sexwale's. The black entrepreneurs who actually work and not just DEMAND DEMAND DEMAND. Will they share the wealth with the black majority?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:50

      Lonmin = Lonrho = "the unacceptable face of capitalism" (Ted Heath, Conservative Party prime minister).

      pisciotta - 2012-08-24 21:08

      Revolution? The only "revolution" I see from Blacks is turning over from their backs to their stomach as they lay under a tree.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-08-23 21:16

    Nice to see Julius take on the mighty ANC. I wonder who will win?

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-23 21:17

    Julius Malema will find that he will become the most wanted man in this country, not beccause he is liked or just disliked by political and group sentiments but because all those he now instigates will want to string him up alive when those pay packets evaporate. Also note, Julius Malema, Cosatu and the SACP: Russia has now also become a member of the WTO. You are absolutey on your own now in global economic terms.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:51

      And China?

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-23 22:26

      China is also a member.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 22:39

      Source of all the world's counterfeit goods: Rolex, Rayban, Louis Vuitton, Gucci ... you name it, they fake it.

  • nazeer.vawda.5 - 2012-08-23 21:18

    im sure once the s**t hits the fan,he'll be the first to seek asylum in a "white" country!

  • Zahir - 2012-08-23 21:22

    Malema sees the death of miners as a nice opportunity to get mine nationalisation back on the agenda

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:52

      Make full use of every opportunity. That's a good thing, not so?

      Heibrin - 2012-08-24 01:19

      @Blip: so if you see a woman passed out drunk on the side of a street you'll have intercourse with her, simply because it's a good opportunity?? Not every opportunity to do something is necessarily a good thing.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:26

      That would be illegal. What Malema is up to is not illegal. If you think it is, press charges. (And be ready to lose your money.)

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-08-23 21:23

    Could we compare Zuma and Malema to Tom and Jerry?

      Don.Tandy - 2012-08-23 21:33

      More like Dumb and Dumber

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-24 00:25

      No Don dumber and dumbest.

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-24 08:58

      hahaha ,,those two need to give each other facepalms

  • amanda - 2012-08-23 21:25

    Julius Malema must really consider appointing a Spin Doctor soon if he is determined to carry on. Goodness knows he could do well with one.

  • edna.errenrich - 2012-08-23 21:26

    why were u never at Aurora fat boy?

      lownabester - 2012-08-23 23:28

      Good one, Edna, because his friends are in charge there.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 21:32

    Malema seizes the opportunity. Once again.

  • markvdm - 2012-08-23 21:35 me one mine that is white owned.....oooops sorry all our BEE just got screwed by your educated:NOT buddy.....

  • charles.gevers - 2012-08-23 21:41

    Always the White Man but you have had this country for 18 Years. Stop accusing the white man. I hope a drought hits this country and there is no food on the tables and who will you blame then. Wake up and smell the roses

      Ntambolicous - 2012-08-23 22:26

      Between the rich and the poor which side are you on and get over your skin colour. Rich vs poor.

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-08-23 21:42

    The biggest shareholders in SA mines? Pension Funds. Including Government Pension Funds. So my dear uneducated fat boy...YOU should brace yourself for that first month the money runs out because the mining sector collapsed and Social Grants and Pensions cannot be paid out. Your body will be dragged in the dusty roads like Ghadaffi.

      pisciotta - 2012-08-24 00:56

      Someone should take him out NOW

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:21

      Where? Take him out to lunch?

  • Sharmay - 2012-08-23 21:52

    Where is this white man? I was digging a hole in my garden earlier. Do you think I could get some money from him too?

  • Ntambolicous - 2012-08-23 22:03

    I hope mining companies clean up their house and other private businesses had better start cleaning their houses in terms of how they treat their employees and the government should start doing the same with corruption. I you have a maid or a Gardner look yourself in the mirror and start asking some serious questions and stop telling the poor what to do. Clean up your own Coz at the end of the day it's the one without sin that shall cast the first. My guess is they will all ignore the real problems and play politics including the DA. News 24 bloggers will continue to spew racism but on the ground the ticking we have been talking about continues to approach explosion point. Today Juju has sent a strong msg to us all, the poor will revolt and they will face live ammunition in quest of a better life they have done many times before De Klerk and those who were cops in the 80s will tell you as much, you have seen in Marikana as well and common trend is they all could have been avoided even the death of cops and security who died they didn't have this was never a war and even now it is not but our leaders could do what they did prior to the massacre ignore the problem but when it all falls down don't they will be blood on the ground from all races, think of your children before spewing racism Coz when the poor take on the well off it will make Marikana a picnic and that event may not be that far ahead think mangaung

      brett.bruce.121 - 2012-08-23 22:23

      Facing live ammo doesnt get you a better life. Getting an education, then getting a job and refraining from overbreeding is what improves peoples lives. Its so simple why can you not grasp it?

      Ntambolicous - 2012-08-23 22:40

      Wow that is your solution Brett to all the problems we have although you not wrong but it would sound to me you lack balanced overview of the serious challenges facing the country. When people have nothing better to do they overbreed. Well education is in icu unless you talkin private schools and only few can afford. But then tell me Brett why is it than the educated think it's ok to exploit the uneducated.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-24 00:35

      And whose fault is that education is dysfunctiona and the public health sector is at deaths doorstep. Its the governments fault. It is rubbish to say the private sector should get its house in order. They pay salaries comensurate with the education, training, knowledge and experience of the people in the employment pool. Once upon a time I was working in a foreign country at a relatively menial job, I worked a 9 hour day 6 days a week, and was expected to entertain the guests out of hours. When I asked for time off I was told I could stay and work or I could resign. Thats the real world.

      george.gervais.7 - 2012-08-24 00:39

      @Ntambolicous... Malema is grossly uneducated and he is exploiting the seriously uneducated. Why is it that the uneducated tolerate one of their own exploiting them? Dumb and Dumber syndrome, and I never believed there were levels of stupidity, guess you're never too old to learn.

      johan.monnig - 2012-08-24 00:58

      I don't know about you but I don't think my maid and gardener would appreciate getting laid off

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:23

      They're doing you more of a favour than you are doing them. If this isn't true, you're a complete idiot for employing them.

  • alf.pop - 2012-08-23 22:08

    Firstly: Two policemen and 2 security guards were murdered - don't include them in the 44! Secondly with Malema's idiotic remarks we are sure to chase away investors! Well done, you retarded woodworm!

  • Partiboy - 2012-08-23 22:56

    Why does this clown have to bring race into everything? What a waste of a potentially decent, direct and motivating individual, apart from his constant racial profilling.

  • chule.qalase - 2012-08-23 23:50

    I have been follwing all the negative comments from the other group of south africans who seem to have a huge problem about anything South African. Nothing this guy said is wrong, but you negative people who are so caught up with the past you dont see that. This young man is saying things that most if not all politicians are afraid to say. I don't even care what he did whenever, but we who are unfortunate enough to share the spoils of this beautiful land because of our skin colour we say, yes to economic freedom. I don't care whether ANC loses or who ever loses, but as long as we all share the riches of this land!!

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-08-25 11:46

      How, exactly, will you benefit from nationalization of the mines? Do you you actually believe that jobs will be created? Think again! Job growth requires expansion and government, who will only run it to break even or do okay, can never outperform a capitalist, who's operating the mine to make as much profit as he can. This is proven for every industry that's ever been 100% nationalized. Do you think that the miner wages and conditions will improve? Wrong! If the capitalists can't do it, when there only goal is to maximize output and, therefore, profits, the government are dreaming if they think they can create a better budget to account for this. Do you, perhaps, think that the government will send you some platinum or gold every month? Or do you think that the ANC will give every person in the country shares in the mine? How will nationalizing the mines allow you to share in the country's mineral resources and benefit from them? Please tell me? The majority of the shares in SA's mines are owned by a few white capitalists and now Julius' supporters are made to believe that they will be given these riches, as if all white people benefitted from the mines.

  • motho.batho.98 - 2012-08-24 00:12

    Viva Juju Viva!

  • wikus.olivier.77 - 2012-08-24 00:28

    Viva Juli-ass. how nice of him to capitalise on the heartache and emotions of families in mourning. You bloody agent! He is deviding the nation even more with his senseless ranting. Julius... look at your palms and footsoles.. it is white-ish boet. Saying the whites "should give us our money" as if they stole it... go on Malema, go ahead and lobby your masses.. pull their support from the ANC... I know you can do it ;-)

  • pisciotta - 2012-08-24 00:36

    He still can get over the fact he is black. Nothing will change that.

  • gillian.wilde - 2012-08-24 00:41

    Surely this is Sedition. 1) Sedition is officially defined as an attempt to bring hatred or contempt, or exciting or attempting to excite, disaffection towards the Government. 2) Incitement of discontent or rebellion against a Government. 3) Any action, especially in speech or writing, promoting such discontent or rebellion. When is the Government going to do something about this?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:29

      You're perfectly entitled to vigorously contest for power in a democracy. Sedition -- a step backward from treason -- is arguably the hardest crime to prove to any competent court's satisfaction, and it is inevitably overturned on appeal. Juju has also NEVER openly advocated for a violent overthrow of the ruling regime. It is NOT mandatory to like the ruling regime or to refrain from criticising them or their office-bearers in strong terms, provided you do not slander or libel them with provable falsehoods or unproven slurs.

  • Reghardt.deBeer - 2012-08-24 01:55

    Why is Malema still speaking at these types of events?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:29

      They asked him to.

  • jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2012-08-24 02:01

    Interesting, everytime Malema opens his mouth the rand falls against other world currencies. There are many people losing lots of money as I write.Malema thinks of himself as invincible, I would be more careful if I were him. There are lots of angry people around who are out of pocket.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:30

      So what? That's their problem, not his. - 2012-08-25 21:40

      @ blip.noodlum Julius has asked me to convey to you his utmost gratitude for standing up for him.(He also says that Winnie would love to meet you.)

  • Phumlani Madlala - 2012-08-24 02:39

    we normally claim to be better than Julius ,if that so why are we talking like him,racist remarks,we are too promoting hatred on racial grounds,if something is wrong its simply wrong dont include race

      Stefan le Roux - 2012-08-24 06:20

      the ugly fact is that he through his racism is creating racist on both sides of the line. he is polarising the country into mainly two groups. we are going to up one on genesidewatch web page again!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:42

      No, don't blame another man's racism for your own. You're really not that pathetically powerless that someone else decides on your emotions for you.

  • william.bromehead - 2012-08-24 02:56

    brace yourself for loss of foreign investments then aziko msebenzi

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:44

      If demand falls, then prices fall too. And a mine or a farm that was just too expensive to buy today becomes as cheap as chips and affordable to buy tomorrow. Who benefits then? The buyer, that's who.

  • NickvanderLeek - 2012-08-24 02:58

    Wasn't he in London a few days ago, talking to white investors?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:47

      He's lining up British investor capital to help him buy up assets whose prices he will have devalued in advance --- pretty shrewd business! The guy knows the art of reverse jawboning!

  • Theo Ferreira - 2012-08-24 03:57

    No retreat, No surrender. Obviously Juju spends life after ANCYL watching betamax Van Damme flicks.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:52

      Muscles from Brussels meets Mega-ou from Sheshego? In 18kt Dolby 3D surround-sound too.

  • tom.theron - 2012-08-24 04:22

    He should instead take aim at his own kind pulling wool over workers' eyes - the labor brokers like Cyril Ramaphosa keeps laughing all the way to the bank, pocketing the money that should have gone to the workers.

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-08-24 05:11

    Malema should undergo psychological testing (won't take long) - have signs of borderline personality issues. Again, he is aiming to become a union boss - disaster

  • jtzll - 2012-08-24 05:26

    Truth is that Malema is nothing more or less than an opportunistic ignorant and of course UNEDUCATED fool who speaks nothing but garbage which ironically is beneficial to him but unfortunately for this country, it takes an educated person to see illiteracy and there are too many u educated idiots who believe everything this moron says because they are simply put dumber than he is and these idiots think automatically that everyone who differ from Malemas' views are scared of him because they do not know better. It's so sad.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-08-24 05:30

    Malema who? who is this idiot???

      Stefan le Roux - 2012-08-24 06:24

      this idiot needs to be seen for the danger he is. funny enough hitler was seen as an loud mouth idiot too. a couple of years later, no one thoughts so any more

  • Dylan Dillboy Allison - 2012-08-24 05:41

    Will somebody please just give Malenama a mine to run just the way his comrades have done with Aurora and see if he pitches up to explain to workers why they haven't been paid for months on end but he's still able to fill the tank of his million Rand Range Rover

  • donnmakaveli - 2012-08-24 05:47

    F*cken hypocrite!.Socially stratified, coddled youth; radically traumatized by the loss of his crystalline shell(anc expulsion). If not for the stabilizing comfort of a financially comfortable bank balance fraudulent amassed through limpopo tenders, his fantasies of extreme independence and social engineering would have been cured fast within a year of working for a living. Failing that, his future biographers will see him as the (tragically) twisted, misanthrope that he really is.\r\nA dictator in the making!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-25 03:54

      A rich dictator. Richer than his ex-boss. ZUMA'S ANNUAL BALANCE SHEET Annual Salary: R2 275 802 to R2 753 689 Medical aid: At least R1.3-million Pension payout on retirement: About R2 753 689 Spousal support: At least R15 517 500 a year Private vehicle: calculated at 70% of salary - R1 835 792, for two vehicles Flights - VIP Squadron: An approximate average of: R46 838 476 Flights - additional: R6 331 175 plus additional cost of two planes Flights - VIP Protection Services: Unknown Flights - helicopters: At least R14.4-million Overseas allowances - president: An average of R25 400 a year Overseas allowances - first ladies: Unknown Accommodation - hotels: An average of R420 000 a year Accommodation - official Residences: An average of R5.3-million a year Accommodation - private residences: R6.4-million VIP protection - An average of at least R12-million a year Legal costs: Unknown Average annual total: R103 544 233 Approximate five-year term total: R517 721 164

  • danwill.theys - 2012-08-24 06:00

    Don't comment on what you don't know.i myself am working at a mine so this "we" he is talking about is not about the mineworkers(note not miner as not all that work at the mine is a miner)but about politicians

  • Ruppersberg - 2012-08-24 06:24

    knock knock....... who is there?..... Julius Malema!..... Julius Malema Who???..... exactly...

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-08-24 06:53

    julius is so stupid, ignorant and incompetent that he can not see his own stupidity,ignorancy and incompetency just like all his followers!

  • Leigh Nicholl - 2012-08-24 06:53

    anything for attention...

  • duane.low - 2012-08-24 07:00

    Malema, has planted key words in his address...."whites" are blamed..... "more strikes" used to incite unity......" mining revolution" no "retreat" playing on the emotions of workers and family....."give us our money" ... the motivation for all poor people on minimum wage..... why does the media always refer to what his title was ?...why not just say his name they attach his words to the ANCYL by association? just call him by his name?

  • David Steyn - 2012-08-24 07:31

    He is nothing else but a racist and thats a fact.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:28

      Press charges.

  • harald.voney - 2012-08-24 07:32

    He is using this platform for cheap politicking! And he says Zuma is using it for politicking!! Outragious idiot, how does anybody take him seriously!!! The only reason he is attacking the mines is because he was forced out of some very big BEE mine deals... poor baby. Somehow, this whole fiasco falls at the feet of the mines; and it "white" owners; and its all Verwoed's fault... WTF?? PS, a large portion of the ownership of this mine is overseas... and its called foreign investment....

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-08-24 07:43

    Then i guess we can safely confirm that more miners deaths will be on his hands since he will instigate the violence...THEN that means he will be responsible for Culpibale Homocide and possible advertand manslaughter of incitement to kill so please malema you have my full support. RETARD.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:33

      An impossibly long bow to draw. Can you sue Porsche for when you get caught speeding behind the wheel of one?

  • andrew.surtees1 - 2012-08-24 07:47

    is this guy so desprate to be in the spotlight? first president of ancyl then he wanted to be a pig farmer and now he wants to get involved here! this country is failing cause we allow idiots like this guy to get involved in everything, unless we the poeple start making choices for our country the correct way these will be the future leaders of our country! just remember they say its for the people but yet we all see them driving around in fancy cars and massive houses and flying all over the world at the tax payers expence and we see how others suffer!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:34

      Publicity is the very heartbeat of success in politics. Of course he wants to be in the spotlight -- anytime, anywhere. He's a politician. That's what they must do.

  • andrew.surtees1 - 2012-08-24 07:51

    racist bastard, Julius i hope someone shoots you!

      andrew.surtees1 - 2012-08-24 07:56

      this guy always has a excuse to blame the white man, i struggle month to month like most of any South African black or white, so get over your racist stool and realize that working together instead of blaming it on race will only fix this current problem!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:38

      You're no different to his chanting "dubulu ibhuna" then? Same message. So you're really in no position to pretend to occupy any moral high ground or to object to even the most egregious of Malema's utterances.

  • mark.shires.96 - 2012-08-24 07:52

    First he wants a economic revolution, now he wants a mining revolution. how many more revolutions does he want and how many can he manage.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-24 21:42

      He likes the word "revolution". (When he insulted to BBC journo, he called the ANC HQ a "revolutionary house". He probably calls the tomato sauce on his pies "revolutionary" too. It's red. And maybe the pie itself is a "revolutionary" working-class comrade's meal?