Malema gets third-least PEC votes

2011-12-20 16:24

Polokwane - Embattled ANC Youth League president Julius Malema was elected to the ANC's provincial executive committee (PEC) in Limpopo on Tuesday - but had to settle for 17th place.

Malema secured 592 votes, out of 1 088 votes cast, which meant he received the third least votes of the 20 people elected.

He is now among the 20 people from African National Congress (ANC) provincial chair Cassel Mathale's camp who will serve in the new PEC.

Malema is known to be Mathale's close ally.

Malema, who is appealing his five-year suspension by the ruling party's national disciplinary committee, was 17th to be called out by an electoral official announcing the results.

A woman came out number one. Lydia Komape, a member of the veterans league, received 641 votes, followed by ANC provincial spokesperson David Masondo's 638 votes in second place.

Malema was suspended two months ago by the ANC's national disciplinary committee for sowing division and bringing the ANC into disrepute.

His nomination to the PEC list was widely expected despite concerns from some delegates who expressed outrage over his possible inclusion in the ruling party’s provincial leadership.

Still ANC member

They questioned the constitutionality of Malema’s nomination and inclusion.

Newly elected provincial secretary Soviet Lekganyane told journalists on Monday that Malema had every right to occupy leadership positions in the ANC because he was not suspended yet, and remained a member of the ruling party.

Lekganyane said in the event the appeals committee ruled against Malema, the PEC would take note of that but that at the moment, he was a member nominated democratically.

It is believed that Mathale's re-election has given the youth leader a political lifeline and base from which he can mount a comeback.

Earlier this year Malema joked that he did not want a job in government. Speaking at the University of the Western Cape, Malema said he had no desire to go into Parliament or become a minister.

While the elections agency continues with its work, delegates discussed conference declarations in a closed session at the University of Limpopo’s Turfloop campus, where the provincial elective conference was taking place.

  • Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 16:29

    "They questioned the constitutionality of Malema’s nomination and inclusion" So does million others.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-20 16:39

      592 idiots voted for him...

      Penny-wise - 2011-12-20 16:50

      @ squeegee, that's surprising, I thought there are a lot more idiots than that in Limpopo ... Malema won't even make the news anymore from 2012 onwards. Oh how the clueless have fallen.

      Jenny - 2011-12-20 17:31

      Agreed. He's a buffoon straight out of a comic strip, as the fat stupid oaf in the group.

      Willie - 2011-12-20 17:33

      This is the opportunity for opposition parties to use this scenario to get more votes on their side.What is happening in Limpopo is promotion of anarchy in this country

      Dirk - 2011-12-20 17:44

      Is N24 conditioning the people by conveying a false sense of security? I am the very last person who can be deemed a supporter of JM,but the fact is that he was elected. That is the REAL face of the ANC- dont hide it from the people or pretend that there is no reason for concern.

      Willie - 2011-12-20 17:49

      @John "why are you worried as whites" i normaly don't judge people but your statement says to me that your are clearly a racist. Why do you insult people improve your argument DO NOT STOOP.before you jump around i'm an african like you

      Peter - 2011-12-20 18:33

      Well done least both feet are time u will be on the top again.Keep pushing....u are South Africa's hope.

      rbczovczov - 2011-12-20 22:16

      This would be the perfect time for the Hawks to swoop in and burst this lunatic's bubble!!

      John - 2011-12-20 23:53

      The single most important factor about " nationalization " is: It has not succeeded in '100' countries over '100' years. The countries which have tried it have FAILED, and are moving AWAY from " nationalization ". Russia, China, India, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Tanzania, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, etc, etc. ALL FAILED. Not only did the TOTAL CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY fail, but also the TOTAL CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE fail. Malema, Cosatu, ANC do not have any trick, ace, or advantage of any kind that makes it possible for nationalization to succeed in South Africa. There are comparable samples of same populations trying TOTAL CONTROL and FREEDOM ECONOMICS: Germany, freedom success, East Germany, nationalization failure. South Korea, freedom success, North Korea, nationalization failure. Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, freedom success, China, nationalization failure. Western Europe, freedom success, Eastern Europe, nationalization failure. Malema, Cosatu, ANC are guilty of ignorance, incompetence, negligence, abortion, murder, Genocide.

      Peter - 2011-12-21 11:09

      @John ... i disagree with your strong opinion...there is no single country in the world with 100% free market model it does not work.Neither 100% nationalization as you said.. each country is different and need to permute its own ratios of the two based on what forces at play.Actually , in the last 10 yrs countries with more nationalised economies has done very well than the free market model which has led to the current global recession . Nationalising part of the economy is very normal and in some special cases like south African minerals it will work well for local people and their companies . The same thing happens across Europe , Norway oil , UK north sea oil , UK banks were nationalised 2 yrs ago and now owned by tax payer...the list goes on and on.So please let local people have their God given resources period.Do not lie and spread your rubbish.

      Dayne - 2011-12-21 14:15

      @ Peter, good point about economies being a mix of free market and state controlled, however the examples you point out are not correct. There were a few UK banks which were nationalised due to bankrupcy, but will be re floated. North Sea (UK or Norway) oil was never nationalised. You are mixing up with royalties from resources, which is already the case in SA. The people own the resources, and private companies pay a royalty to produce. This is far different from Nationalisation where the Government takes over and runs private Companies.

      Freddie - 2011-12-21 14:19

      3rd least votes, but guaranteed to be 1st most vocal, noisy, arrogant, annoying, ignorant, stupid, chauvenistic, neanderthalic...

      John - 2012-01-04 16:31

      Peter: Your reply is half true: But there was NO PRIVATE SECTOR in ALL communist countries, that is why they decided TO CHANGE! While FREE WORLD countries do have a mix; But all my observations remain TRUE: the anc SA government has not run anything SUCCESSFULLY. they are a DISASTER and a SHAME.

  • Grant - 2011-12-20 16:36

    This is disturbing, the international community watches these things and this will not be sending a good message to the world at large. The democratic credibility of the ANC is steadily being eroded. Before any of the ANC apologists start screaming, this is not an democratic election, if it was, then ALL voters in the province would be voting, not just the select few that have already more than adequately demonstrated their lack of fiscal accountability

      John - 2011-12-20 16:52

      mr grant i'm very sorry to hear your comment and i really respect efforts you are making but this has got nothing to do with the international communities.

      Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 16:56

      Actually John I think it does, with Malema chasing away international investors they keep a close eye on the proceedings. From being suspended to getting a better position I think make them see more clearer what a joke our government is.

      Grant - 2011-12-20 17:13

      @John. I have no intention of insulting you personally. This attitude that you display which is so prevalent is problematic. No country lives in isolation, we live within a global world and are dependant on that international community. Just one small example: a large amount of cash is donated for aids relief from the international community, this saves you and me from having to find all of it. If these donors are concerned as to the proper use of that cash, they will stop donating - will you pay more income tax to make up for it? This is simplistic but I hope I have made my point.

      Phuti - 2011-12-20 17:31

      Come on dude;this is democrazy.y worry about wht others think?

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 17:35

      @Grant. Don't bother with him.If he can come on here and make a stupid statement like that, then he has never gotten onto a plane, never seen another country, and his sun is setting, he is just viewing the world through his own 3D glasses.

      Eric Schollar - 2011-12-20 17:39

      @Grant. "Being" eroded? Bit out of date ou boet - did you not notice the necklace?

      Willie - 2011-12-20 17:40

      Correct ,Grant i do not understand how can anyone elect someone with questionable credentials.I do not think history is there to teach all of us.Some people use this flawed system of ANC to propel themselves in amassing wealth. This 1000 or so delegates are just a bunch of anarchists

      Peter - 2011-12-20 18:49

      @Activity Bookings, be honest...very few investors are much interested in South Africa now a-days.We are simple aware that the country will go through a difficult phase in the next 7-15yrs and long term investors are not interested for the time being...altho the country has potential. Its actually Africa which is attracting top buck and will continue to do so in the next ten year simple because the disparities between the haves and have-not is not that big which provides the stability needed for the emerging markets .For RSA , please go through your phase and we shall check you later.

      Sam - 2011-12-20 19:14

      @Grant & Activity Bookings, stop being Mugabes or Gadaffis these people were allowed to vote in that sense they elected their favourite choice, what does the Const of our country says about freedom of choice with you

      Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 20:00

      @sam, I was not invited to vote

      Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 20:03

      @Peter, I agree 100%, what is the reason why international investors is not interested in SA. Maybe this article have something to do with it. Can we say the word BANANA? or Zimbabwe?

      John - 2011-12-20 21:09

      you are trying to make a point but the investors are somehow helping themselves.i want to tell you something about investors. i work for one of the biggest pulley manufacturing company in gauteng and the same investors you are talking about are telling people the very same things you are telling me about investors.every white man claim to be an investor and you keep threathning people that investors will go away.The truth is that investors are going nowhere;their mission is to make more money from poor south africans in the name of investors.The investors are lying in the face of poor south africans .i don't care how you think about me i'm just a racist like you guys and i support malema all the way and i don't care even if you call me an idiot like those 592 idiots voted for malema as you guys said recently.

      Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 21:21

      John, you must be confusing investors with the anc government. Investors try to enrich companies, countries and the people they care about. Your julias and anc are trying to enrich themselves, pity you don't see that, or are you on the thrown of a tender?

      jruppersberg - 2011-12-20 21:52

      @John. You just proved how uneducated you are. In other words... You are an idiot.

      Peter - 2011-12-20 22:12

      @Activity Bookings...partly no and partly yes.The events happening in South Africa are expected from a country which is as young as yours.This is actually a positive force altho many people here will disagree because they take self interests into the equation.This is part of social development and awareness which you have to go through.I am not saying there is no investment coming in...there is but investors are very cautious and its not time.U mentioned Zimbabwe in your comment...actually , a lot of investors have an eye on Zimbabwe and are keen to invest provided conditions improve and assets are affordable.Zimbabwe has gone through its own phase and in the next 10 yrs its likely to emerge as an economic powerhouse again...but we want to avoid one region being more superior than the we will keep suppressing Zim down till countries like Mozambique move up the scale ...this is happening in every shape the world into one global village.

      Mary - 2011-12-21 09:13

      Phuti, have you forgotten that it was the international community which ultimately convinced the Nat government to give up power? If it didn't matter what they thought, democracy wouldn't have happened.

      Oneant - 2011-12-21 10:16

      @John : and i suppose that computer you are using was designed, manufactured and sourced locally and "has got nothing to do with the international communities." Open your eyes big guy. Everything you do every day depends on the activities of other countries. And since South Africa's net imports have quadrupled over the last 15 years, I would suspect busying yourselves with voting for idiots instead of innovation only makes you more dependent on the international teat.

      Maduvha - 2011-12-22 15:03

      @John, you aren't a racist man, an African man can't be a racist, words won't make you a racist. You don't have means of production so you can't oppress anyone. You are making your point, whether people likes it or not its their baby, as long as they have heard you and have no fear or favours when you raise your views. There are millions of us who shares your sentiments.

  • danie.dejager - 2011-12-20 16:41

    This article's math does not make sense at all! 592 + 641 + 638 is already more than 1 088 votes!?

      Kyle - 2011-12-20 16:45

      I think each person can vote for 20 people.

      Deon - 2011-12-20 16:45

      It seems as if they have each 20 votes? No wonder they are called a Congress of B...

      Grant - 2011-12-20 16:48

      Danie, each of the voters get 20 votes, i.e. they draw up a list of their 20 preferred candidates. But then again it is only 1088 'voters' from the entire Limpopo - this is not democracy. This is why the 'photocopying' was taking place, get sufficient of your pals on the 'electorate' and you are a shoe-in.

      Activity Bookings - 2011-12-20 16:48

      "Makana was hit with a brick when he went to investigate allegations of duplicate voting tags being printed at a photocopying shop, shortly before delegates at the provincial elective conference picked their top five leaders" Maybe the prints was for something else, maybe Malema's voting tags was filled in before the election.

      Penny-wise - 2011-12-20 16:52

      The cops already bust guys making duplicates of voting member cards in Limpopo. Seems each delegate was given a whole bunch more cards than they should have had in order to cast votes for their favourite electorate. Typical African National Corruption. Banana Republic stuff. Mugabe would be proud.

      Jan - 2011-12-20 16:53

      If you have ever voted for an Board, SRC, House committee or any setup with a number of positions and voters you will know that each eligible voter has a set number of votes that they use. At the end the total number of votes for each candidate are added and the candidates that received most votes are elected. So if there are 5 vacancies and 10 voters, a maximum of 50 votes will be cast irrespective of the number of candidates.

      John - 2011-12-20 17:05

      you will never understand mr danie. if you can't read the figures and then what's the point?Don't try to make a point out of nothing bra.

      Wesley - 2011-12-20 17:09

      And you forget about the tags that were printed at Malema's printers

      Ray - 2011-12-20 17:20

      juju cannot count to 20 without taking his socks off

      Azande - 2011-12-20 17:46

      @ray, hahaha that's

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-20 18:31

      Confused me as well Danie. Thanks for explanations okes.

  • Sean - 2011-12-20 16:44

    The journalist who wrote this article did a terrible job. Either there are some missing facts or someone can't count. 1 088 votes cast of which Malema secured 592 votes, Lydia Komape received 641 votes and David Masondo 638 votes. Malema had to settle for 17th place? but you said he came third. Full facts on how the voting system works please!

      Penny-wise - 2011-12-20 16:53

      The headline said he got third least number of votes, not that he came third.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-20 16:54

      Oi Vey.... Read again. Think.

      Sean - 2011-12-20 17:26

      Apologies on third/third least statement. The article however is still poorly presented.

      Azande - 2011-12-20 17:50

      Oh cumon Sean, just stop at "apologies" don't go ahead and show to us once again that you still missing what's presented in the article. Ok elaborate then on your "poorly presented". I'm sure someone will AGAIN clarify it with you.

      Chum Scrubber - 2011-12-20 18:35

      You see Sean, the rest of the posters are geniuses, mere mortals like us need things like this explained to us. I think the article is difficult to understand as well - surely there are better ways to explain something?

  • Larry - 2011-12-20 16:45

    Is that the equivalent of an "F"?

      John - 2011-12-20 22:34

      Larry, I think it is "F". Every nation has the government it deserves If they vote and believe that Julis has a place amongs them, what can we say? Allow me to use the words of Gustave Le Bon - French social psychologist "The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim."

  • gregory.f.dean - 2011-12-20 16:48

    Malema was suspended from the ANC for 5 years. He has appealed the decision. Surely he is still suspended until the appeal is heard and the decision is confirmed or otherwise?

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 17:43

      In a normal functioning democracy Gregory, that would indeed be the case. Here we take everything and twist it just the way it suits us!

      Azande - 2011-12-20 18:09

      FYI. When a person is suspended, that person remains in his position and is entitled to whichever rights and priviledges as long as the "internal" disciplinary processes are not concluded. For Malema, he is still having all his rights intact and still the president of the youth league until the all internal processes are exhausted and the judgement is upheld.

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 20:04

      @Azande That is exactly what is wrong and why nothing ever gets concluded. We can play all these games with tax payers money. If you get suspended, you should forfeit your benefits until your appeal is heard and if you are reinstated, a back pay should apply. In the case of fraudsters, i.e.. Selebi, they should fund their own legal costs and not the tax payer. It cost us tax payers R17.4 to put Selebi behind bars and look now? We are going to pay for the top medical assistance, which Steve Biko Hospital is known for, and once again we the tax payers are now going to pay. We have a great constitution which ended up providing for the criminals and the law abiding citizens are at the shortest end.

  • Mbuzeli Ben Boya - 2011-12-20 16:51

    I dnt know what taking so long to disciplin Julius Malema its time for us to forget about this BREAT he keeps poping up the ill disciplin preak!

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 17:50

      @John. So your perception of us is that if we don't follow Malema blindly, then we are either whites trying to sound like blacks, or stupid blacks that don't know what we are saying? You comment is a true reflection of the African way of doing things. You either vote for Mugabe, Gaddafi etc, or we kill you the African way. Get yourself on a plane and go look how the world functions. What you don't know yet, is the world could care less about your stupidity. You are like the fat kid trying to win the 100 M sprint.

      Azande - 2011-12-20 17:56

      @john, u sound like a true imbecile with chip on both shoulders. the fart sounds better than the sound of the words coming out of yo mouth. How does that sound John? Its cool to insult he? You better grow up a bit and stop insulting people in here. if you dont agree with someone, comment sensibly and respectfully otherwise don't.

      Willie - 2011-12-20 17:56

      @John you must be blind,deaf or something else not all black people are going to support all this rubbish you are saying.Some of us we will defend our fellow "white compatriots" at all cost yes at all cost.John wait until the civil servats in Limpopo don't get paid then your must come on this block to come and defend rubbish

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 18:35

      @Willie. Yes isn't it amazing. They can't pay the civil servants, but they vote the same fools back in again, adding another "buddy" to the mix, because of course he needs another stream of income now, doesn't he?

      Ian - 2011-12-21 05:31

      AWWWW John's comment got removed :( :(

  • David - 2011-12-20 16:52

    so what?-17 is the next number after 1--isn't it?

      John - 2011-12-20 17:20

      you must go and do arithmatics

      Michele - 2011-12-20 18:40

      @ John, intelligent people get jokes, unintelligent ppl give votes. (to the likes of Malema)

  • lebo.lathane - 2011-12-20 16:53

    Yeah whatever!!!

  • Mluu Bhele Magubane - 2011-12-20 17:02

    cant they remove this rubbish from politics or send him to zimbabwe im sure theyll get along with mugabe. this idiot has no respect for any 1

  • Mark - 2011-12-20 17:04

    JuJu is going to split the ANC into 2 new parties: "The ANC Bureaucrats" and "The ANC Idiots". No prizes for guessing which one he will be in!

      Sean - 2011-12-20 17:30

      @John, a little baffled by your question. Do you not regard whites as being part of South Africa? Believe it or not we actually care what happens.

      Michele - 2011-12-20 18:39

      @ John, we care because we have the brains to understand and look ahead. Oh, and as an aside, we live here.

      Ian - 2011-12-21 05:32

      AWWWW John's comment got removed :( :( - 2nd one removed

      Rentia - 2011-12-21 10:27

      @Mark ~ Can't wait for that day! @Ian ~ LMGA u are too funny ! :?)

  • Wesley - 2011-12-20 17:07

    So he is not as hot as he think he is, hope he is going sat under a tree to cut his wrist

  • Eric Schollar - 2011-12-20 17:08

    Today Limpopo - tomorrow national president. Malema is on his way.

  • Francois - 2011-12-20 17:11

    Here we go again!

  • Zinhle - 2011-12-20 17:15

    This does not send a good message to the people of the world. Malema should step down and very soon those idiots who voted for him are going to regret.I doubt the intelligence of all those who voted for him.This is ridiculous. We dont need people like Malema in our government.

      Bongani - 2011-12-20 18:05

      Zinhle, in life people of a certain mentality group together and all the sheep that need a bit of validation will follow. This happens in all walks of life. The following and the leadership of the ANC is no different. The fools vote each other in because they have their income streams to protect. The rest of the voters are told all kinds of threatening stories like ancestors that will come haunt them if they vote against this corrupt rule. The Americans do the same thing. They tell everybody all that is Arab will blow them up and what do you know, the tax payers allow a Trillion Dollars to be spent on a war that only benefits a few rich oil barons. America has 364 Million fools, we only have 45 Million.

  • Paulus Gerber - 2011-12-20 17:28

    This man is like an eel slippery as hell.

  • Enlightened - 2011-12-20 17:30

    How in the world is this possible? This is becoming an increasing joke and an absolute unadulterated insult to the intelligence and moral standards of millions of South Africans. However, let it be said that those voting for him are a great big insult to themselves. I will have to laugh when they've voted Julius in, he goes back to his lavish lifestayle, they go back to their squalid lifestyle and stil think they've done what the future of Limpopo requires them to do to prosper.

      sokhana - 2011-12-20 18:17

      Malema is no idiot...he was just in the wrong place, I believe ANC could do a lot with the man...racism aside...

  • Michele - 2011-12-20 18:36

    WTF How can he still be in politics with the ANC?

  • Pieter - 2011-12-20 19:07

    Take him to the cleaners Msholozi

  • boownz - 2011-12-20 19:19

    sorry, whoz malema?

      Moss Mphahlele - 2011-12-20 19:55

      Sorry, do you know your name?

  • Garysyd705 - 2011-12-20 19:46

    Zuma : you wana come to my new years eve party ? Julius : Sure ...when???

  • - 2011-12-20 20:37

    This is why this country is in so much crap. Because nincompoops like this guy is still active in politics EVEN THOUGH he was suspended. The biggest problem of all is not this imbecile, its the thousands of morons following him!!! Its not because he's black. Its because he's an idiot!

  • Mantsho - 2011-12-20 21:11

    l dont understand why is this the news,fat boy is nobody anymore.he is please N24.

  • Cracker - 2011-12-20 23:34

    Malema visited somebody in holding cells who has since been charge with charges of causing the deaths of others while under some influence. Looking at the latest photos of Malema and reading about the man he was in pink, well, conclusions are free and luckily still allowed in our country. See those swollen lips. Are they recent?

  • TamaraSays - 2011-12-21 00:24

    There goes the neighborhood. Eish. At least now he's OFFICIALLY in the party. JZ, take him out bro, you know you want to!

  • Archie - 2011-12-21 07:35

    Zuma your timing is piss poor,an astute leader would have assessed Malema long ago (sars/lifestyle and unexplained money) and immediately neutralised the problem,findings published and trial in court,punishment meted.Result,you get respected as decisive President and corruption takes a knock.If you cant do the job move aside,call the DA.Just look how the cape province is prospering under them.Limpopo is bankrupt,now they need tax money to help themselves to more corruption!PS if ANC cant deal with the insults that were thrown at the presidency by limpopo delegates you are history.

  • Eric - 2011-12-21 08:44

    One would of had to plain dumbnot to realise the following that Julius Malema has. Of course he would get into the ANC cadres as he is aeader of people. I wonder how many of the news 24 people making commn ets has any type of following

  • Mark - 2011-12-21 11:49

    The ANC is a joke, they are only out to feather their own nests and the sooner the masses see that the better but because of the past they don't trust any other political party (being brainwashed also doesn't help) Malema is being investigated by numerous agencies for various things and will soon be arrested and prosecuted, in my humble opinion that day cannot come soon enough.

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