Malema hearing over

2012-01-24 18:09

Johannesburg - The ANC appeal committee wrapped up ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema's appeal hearing on Tuesday and said a decision would be made in "due course".

"The [National Disciplinary Committee of Appeal (NDCA)] has met for two days to listen to submissions from both the African National Congress and the ANC Youth League," NDCA chairperson Cyril Ramaphosa said in a statement.

"Having heard both sides, the NDCA will be making its decision in due course."

Earlier, a veil of silence was drawn over the hearing, with party spokesperson saying they had been instructed not to comment.

"The media have been kept out and we don't know anything about it. The media might receive information once the hearing is completed," spokesperson Keith Khoza said on Monday.

Ramaphosa heard oral arguments at the hearing. Malema's lawyers submitted heads of argument last week.

At the time, advocate Patrick Mtshaulana said these detailed why Malema's five-year suspension should be overturned.

Malema and other senior ANCYL leaders were suspended in November after being found guilty of sowing division within the ANC and of bringing the party into disrepute.

This was due to, among other things, comments about bringing about regime change in Botswana.

Heads of argument were also filed for league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa, and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi.

Mtshaulana said they would try to convince Ramaphosa that they had not been given a chance to argue in mitigation of their sentences.

They would also argue that disciplinary committee members, including chairman Derek Hanekom and Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu, should have recused themselves from the disciplinary committee which dealt with the matter.

This was because they had previously publicly disagreed with the ANCYL's positions on land reform and nationalisation of mines. They would further submit that the verdict and sanctions relied on an outdated section of the ANCYL constitution.

  • Julia - 2012-01-24 18:23

    And.. wait for it.. the prodigal son will return to the fold. Dare we hope not? Sigh. Please let me be wrong.

      Willem - 2012-01-24 19:02

      Here is an idea Mosesbongane...why don't you actually WORK for something ??

      Alfred - 2012-01-24 19:16

      Mosebongane, when are clowns like you going to pick up a book and finally get it through your thick skulls that it's not your land? But the fact that you're a Zimbo makes me give up on even trying to explain that simple fact to you. Bugger off back to the land of milk and honey that your syphilis ridden hero created for you. Bloody prawn, if I had things my way I'd throw the whole lot of you self entitled simpletons into a giant hamster wheel and make you generate electricity. At least then you'd be forced to contribute to society instead of shoving your dirty paws in everyone's faces demanding handouts.

      Jeffrey - 2012-01-24 19:49

      @Mosesbongane, Your Facebook page claims that you speak English. Not from the way you write you don't, you seem to have only a passing acquaintanceship with the Queen's English. They should kick you out of Belgium and send you back to Zimbabwe.

      Ronald - 2012-01-25 00:24

      Mosesbongane, after screwing up a fantastic country you have the gall to sprout the same brainless and uneducated drivel your puppet master Mugabe does. Clearly the intellect is lacking to connect the condition your birth country is in to the despotic humanoid that runs it. I call him a humanoid because no human would do to his people what Mugabe has done.

      Alfred - 2012-01-25 01:36

      Sorry pdilapiso, but the stats disagree. In fact, the stats say that you're an outright liar. And before you have a little cry about 'racism' just remember, you brought it up.

      Andrew - 2012-01-25 07:46

      Pdilapiso,another foreigner from Lesotho telling us hard working SA citizens we are criminals. I suggest you remain quiet as you dont know what truth means.

      Vuyisa - 2012-01-25 07:59

      plz anc let the guys come back , instant fire corupt ministers the sentence is too long , i can not wait for so long , julius and his surbodinates are sitll the future leaers of this country , i will never give up to follow thier styles of leadership. let the lion roes watch da space .a combrade is replced by another combrade , no interviews , no qualifications vuyisa lusikisiki

      J-Man - 2012-01-25 08:22

      @ Vuyisa... from your 'comment' one can clearly see why (an that) you support Malema...its just so obvious.

      pdilapiso - 2012-01-25 08:56

      this platform is not for people like you & me..simple this is a racial white platform that doesn’t want to debate about South African issues. The Editor deletes our comments & leave all the comments of his fellow whites. but don’t despair, we will remain resolute & fight for the cause...Black people MUST wakeup & smell the coffee, the media has this > an agenda, conspiracy, falsehood, hides the knowledge, against the black Government,deceitful, prejudice & many other negative interests in our society! i rely on books, not on printed media & sites like this for information & knowledge!News24 is for Premeditated whites dark force!

      pdilapiso - 2012-01-25 09:04

      @ andrew>>> haahahhaa...this is Africa broer>>>if u cant take the heat getout of the kitchen!! im from wherever you say im from but i live next door to you..imight be even working with you!!get hold of yourself..respect is earned is not demanded, if you want respect from me , you do the same!this is Africa not Europe!

      Alfred Neumann - 2012-01-25 11:01

      pdilapiso, the eternal victim, tearfully bemoaning the 'racial white platform' literally hours after stating that 'white people are criminals'. The concept of irony is completely wasted on you, isn't it? Stick to throwing stones and burning tyres, the 'komputah' is not for you.

      Alfred - 2012-01-25 16:36

      Well here's an interesting turn of events for you, pdilapiso. I'm not Afrikaans. And before you you get a little too self righteous on top of your imaginary moral highground and start pointing fingers at greedy and violent groups of "settlers" I've got one word for you - mfecane. Ouch! Or is that another scrap of SA history that you'd like to have erased to cement your status as the eternal victim?

      pdilapiso - 2012-01-27 19:09

      dear Edotor..mmago for deleting my comments,o bona go tshwanela go nna moshweu mo nageng ya rona ya Afrika Borwa!o diabolose le gonna selo se sele sa makgoa ba ba ratang kgetololo...Alfred le wena felajalo semaumau sa bofelo...makgoa ke dilo tse di itirang gore barata batho ba bantsho,lefa ba refora dilo tse tsa dinokwane!Dear Editor consider this reporter to the Ombudsman!!

  • ubhejane - 2012-01-24 18:28

    I'm going to be cautiously optimistic and predict in the light of what is going on in Limpopo, that Malema's fate is sealed. Uncle Cyril isn't someone to fool around and play games. He is a very good strategist!

      Mosesbongane - 2012-01-24 19:09

      this is not about limpopo or kwazulu natal is about econome freedom which we have dream bofere 1994, no one like to live povert in our land which we got from god, and satan people enjoy like this land is for them.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-24 19:40

      Moses I fail to see if you were born in Zimbabwe and currently living in Belgium, how this matter is any of your business. Go fight for your own economic freedom. We have had economic freedom since 1994. If you haven't heard that yet, then maybe that explains why you are still commenting about economic freedom.

      Irene - 2012-01-24 21:37

      Mosesbongane - maybe if you went to school and learnt how to spell properly, you might get a job, be able to work and enjoy economic freedom. It's the only way there is and your pal Juliearse is talking shyte to you. You see he can because you're all so flipping dof.

      TheWatcher - 2012-01-24 22:21

      lets hope so

      J-Man - 2012-01-25 08:23

      I agree with ubhejane - Moses: STFU.

  • Dieter - 2012-01-24 18:36

    animal farm

      Mosesbongane - 2012-01-24 18:52

      comrade cyril ramaphosa is not fake like derek hanekom he know very well about our struggle, and is gonna do the right thing. econome freedom in our life time''

      Kgaogelo - 2012-01-24 19:05

      You should know by now that Ramaphosa does not make decision alone.

      Gideon - 2012-01-24 19:10

      Moses, are you a troll or are you just really dumb? The only economic freedom you will know with that clown in charge is the freedom of digging for earthworms to feed yourself. Struggle to get those down your throat, that'll be the "new" struggle.

      Megan - 2012-01-25 08:31

      Mosesbongane, the main reason "your people" are still living in abject poverty is because the greedy ANC (I'm only in it for myself) criminals keep stealing the money that should be spent on uplifting these poor communities. Instead of screaming on about the fallacy known as "economic freedom" why don't you apply your mind to this: how many houses, schools and possibly jobs could the BILLIONS of Rands that the ANC have stolen/miss-spent or lost have created? Seriously, it's time people like you stopped insulting the whites, who like quite a few blacks, are doing the best they can to get on with their lives while the ANC government creates more and more hardships for the millions of supporters who are too stupid to understand that loyalty does not trump incompetence!

  • Burtfred - 2012-01-24 18:45

    Never underestimate Cyril - he is astute, highly capable and will do what is best for SA. I wish he would run for president.

      Mosesbongane - 2012-01-24 20:49

      you people want to comment on political insue or you want to know me ? ok i will tell u who i'am my father xhosa from kutsolo easten cape and my mother ndebele from bulawayo zimbabwe,for me to live in belgium or china is non of your business, i dont need to know english very much is not my mother tong, and i dont are about that queen of england or holand i am not obay them, as long as your understand me, let us comment about political insues not stupid things.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-24 21:34

      @ Mosesbongane Actually, old chap, no-one here really wants to know you. At least not until you can write something understandable. How do you have access to a computer and the internet if you are illiterate?

      Irene - 2012-01-24 21:38

      No discussions with you Moses. Your spelling hurts my eyes and I can't understand what you're saying Silverback.

      Megan - 2012-01-25 09:46

      As a side note to every English speaking person: Just because you may not agree with a persons political opinion does NOT give you the right to insult their ability to speak or write english when it is very clear that it's not their first language! That just screams intolerant hypocrisy, I'd like to see one of you reply to Moses in his own language without spelling errors. You certainly cannot state an opinion regarding unity etc when that is how you behave towards someone who is trying to communicate with you - whether you agree with him or not. Every time I see something like this happening it makes me feel embarrased to be an English speaking person. Someone actually had the audacity to mention the "Queen's English" - we aren't in Britian!!! English is the international business language of the world, but do you honestly think that the broken english spoken by some (for example) Chinese business man is mocked and laughed at in boardrooms? You really all need to get over yourselves!

      Merven - 2012-01-27 11:18

      You are right Megan! Will you guys laugh at a blind person or Down Syndrome kid? NO? So, how can you laugh at Moses? Stupidity is just as much a handicap as being blind or paralysed.

      Ian - 2012-01-27 12:24

      Well Megan, some of us aren't English. But we can still use the Language effectively. I don't speak an African language because, as you have pointed out, English is the Business Language of the world. Followed, in no specific order, by Spanish, French and Mandarin. Now I'm sure that you would agree that if a person was TRULY interested in advancing him/herself, in a wholistic manner, then that person would indeed go out of their way to learn the Business Language. To be fair English is a lot more difficult to learn than Afrikaans, Zulu or Sotho - some examples. Megan ultimately I agree with you that it's unfair to attack a person's use, or misuse, of language when debating a specific topic. However i do feel that Mosesbongane is sprouting idiocy. One can forgive his inability to use English, but it is his blind ignorance in regard to his support of obvious under qualified and inadequate "leaders" that antagonizes the commentators on this open forum.

  • Sean - 2012-01-24 18:46

    Who wants popcorn?

      Burtfred - 2012-01-24 20:18

      Promise you won't put your arm around me and try to kiss me - then I'll watch the movie with you.

  • Ken - 2012-01-24 18:53

    "due course" = Mangaung December 2012

      Gideon - 2012-01-24 19:11

      It still says Bloemfontein on the map.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-24 20:03

      And they still say "Eish" when they get there and get told to F**off.

      Matty - 2012-01-25 07:12

      @Burtfred you just totally made my day hahaha!

  • Bokfan - 2012-01-24 19:10

    Slippery Cyril could slide either way so I'm not optimistic about an outcome that will put the kibosh on JellyBum. Historically people with a lot to lose in the short term don't like to gamble with their "hard won" assets.

  • Kobus - 2012-01-24 19:16

    Hang the animal!

  • Desmond - 2012-01-24 19:27


  • Vegi - 2012-01-24 19:39

    If Malema loses the appeal, all is not lost. In fact on second thought that will be a blessing in disguise because the campaign to remove Zuma from office will then gather momentum. Victory is certain at the end of the day, even if not on the deadline (Mangaung) we anticipate. Our opponents cannot use and abuse the resources that we inherited from our ancestors ad infinitum.

      Deon - 2012-01-24 20:00

      12 Months later and you still make the most ridiculous, ill-conceived and contrived comments. At least your grammar is improving - mommy been sending you to private school?

      Irene - 2012-01-24 21:41

      Deon ~ The creep is taming down. He used to get absolutely thrashed over at the TimesLive. You'd think the creep would realise how despised he is by now. Only other explanation is that he's a genuine full-blown troll.

      Merven - 2012-01-27 11:19

      Vegi, short for vegetable?

  • Kim - 2012-01-24 19:54

    HOW LONG IS DUE COURSE.........This maaifoedie has had long enough already.

      Burtfred - 2012-01-24 19:58

      History shows that anyone who uses the word "maaifoedie", is one. It takes one to know one.

  • Serame - 2012-01-24 19:54

    The media and pre-concluded the outcome of the hearing to be unfavourable for JUJU,accoring to the picture depicted on this article...Frank Advice..WHATCH DE SPACE and be ready to take-it innnn

  • Greg - 2012-01-24 20:04

    If Malema bounces back from this then he will fear nothing,it will only be a matter of time before we become a banana republic.We are already sliding towards it this will just speed it up a little.

  • spnkosi - 2012-01-24 20:45

    Malema is out of politics...the case will be against him that the sure case...ANC lives ANC leads ***ungathi angishongo**

  • danielmangena - 2012-01-24 21:17

    Bye small boy

  • taylars.rikhotso - 2012-01-24 21:51

    watch the space

  • andy4real - 2012-01-24 21:59

    Long Live The Lion Of The North

  • Brandon - 2012-01-25 04:48

    @pdilaPISS. Convenient that you stay in Lesotho. So, you dont care what happens in the REAL SA! Also, I see on your FB page that you like 'MINI'. Strange that you are willing to buy or dream of owning a vehicle created by 'criminals'. PS. Just wondering, Mark Zuckerberg, owner of white, but you don't seem to have a problem subscribing to him. Also, don't forget to switch off the lights created by 'criminals' before going to sleep.

      pdilapiso - 2012-01-25 13:26

      @Brandon,you are waisting your time & energy to try & compare issues..u r just evil, you had exercised brutality towards black people,you continue to steal from them,you dont have a human heart & clearly you lact IQ as i am communicating using English as a medium of instruction..your forefathers planned so hard to oppress black by pioneering & engineers of apartheid..(1)groups area act No 41.1950(2)1913 Native Land Act(3)1953 bantu education Act.. just to name the your have a black president.. remember that the education act was like this"In 1953 the government passed the Bantu Education Act, which the people didn't want. We didn't want this bad education for our children. This Bantu Education Act was to make sure that our children only learnt things that would make them good for what the government wanted: to work in the factories and so on; they must not learn properly at school like the white children. Our children were to go to school only three hours a day, two shifts of children every day, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, so that more children could get a little bit of learning without government having to spend more money. Hawu! It was a terrible thing that act." so today we accommodate idiots like Bradon! whits are just pure humanoids!

      Ian - 2012-01-27 12:35

      pdilapiso - agreeing that Banthu Education was bad, it is still better than education offered to people in the Soviet Union at that time. The Difference is that since the end of the USSR countries like China and Russia's Education systems have BECOME BETTER whereas South Africa's Education system has all but been destroyed. You bitch and moan about three hours of school - But the fact remains that it was 3 PRODUCTIVE hours of schooling and that the people who learned skills from those schools actually had those skills. Can you honestly say that a person with a Matric now (having passed with a avr of just above 30%) is better off than a Matric (or as you would say a Skilled Worker) who passed matric (to a much higher standard) back then? Pdilaphiso i agree fully with you that Bantu Education was wrong and shouldn't have happened. However I have to inform you that even that FAULT was better then what the poor students in South Africa have to deal with now. Fact is Bantu Education allowed people to be able to WORK EFFECTIVELY (however small their scope of knowledge or skills were), whereas the level of our current education DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO WORK EFFECTIVELY. Not all is lost, the cream of the crop are still good, but the problem lies at grass root level in the poor communities. And that is where the ANC has failed the Nation, indeed ALL South Africans, the most.

  • Stephen - 2012-01-25 07:52

    Hang,draw and quarter the swine.He's good for nothing but Hyena bait.

      Chris - 2012-01-25 11:50

      Quote from the water boys mum......He Comes From The DEVIL.

  • Vuyisa - 2012-01-25 08:10

    all the youth leader hv enforced policies due to the fear of the mother board leaders , who hide the trueth , make empty promises ,careless about youth challenges ,making more parties , marring massive wives ,fearing corruptors , we will fight for the trueth till ancyl wrotten if it would be : long live the sprit of julius. shivambu , magaqa , mabe and malola

      pdilapiso - 2012-01-25 08:59

      this platform is not for people like you & me..simple this is a racial white platform that doesn’t want to debate about South African issues. The Editor deletes our comments & leave all the comments of his fellow whites. but don’t despair, we will remain resolute & fight for the cause...Black people MUST wakeup & smell the coffee, the media has this > an agenda, conspiracy, falsehood, hides the knowledge, against the black Government,deceitful, prejudice & many other negative interests in our society! i rely on books, not on printed media & sites like this for information & knowledge!News24 is for Premeditated whites dark force!

  • Chris - 2012-01-25 11:42

    Quote from the Water Boy....He comes from the DEVIL.

  • Wandile - 2012-01-27 16:07

    i hv read tht other ppl r writing to show positive comments, others are spreading and preaching the hatre among south africans. I appeal again to all who passed their comments not to spread things tht dn't make our country progress. here in this instance, we want to retain d dignity of our country, president and defend the constitution. We chose our president, we hv to respect him and support him until his time is due. no matter wt we can say, bt he will remain our president, we r making ourselves a laughing stock to other countries like Europe, America and other continents. we hv made a gr8 history, we teach people to forgive and to leave in peace and harmony, but again we fighting over nothing. Mina i wud suggest tht we support our Gov, the rest will follow

  • pdilapiso - 2012-01-27 18:59

    dear Edotor..mmago for deleting my comments,o bona go tshwanela go nna moshweu mo nageng ya rona ya Afrika Borwa!o diabolose le gonna selo se sele sa makgoa ba ba ratang kgetololo...Alfred le wena felajalo semaumau sa bofelo...makgoa ke dilo tse di itirang gore barata batho ba bantsho,lefa ba refora dilo tse tsa dinokwane!Dear Editor consider this reporter to the Ombudsman!!

  • ernest.mudau1 - 2012-01-31 10:17

    Gwede Mantashe publically declared that the ANC will assist ZANU PF with drafting of election manifesto. Is that not also biased given the role South African government in bringing political peace and stability in Zimbabwe? This statement is no different to what Malema said about Botswana.

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