Malema meant no offence: ANCYL

2011-10-20 16:01

Johannesburg - ANCYL leader Julius Malema meant no offence when he used the word "makula", which has been translated to mean "coolie", it said on Thursday.

"The ANC Youth League understands and appreciates that some members of society could have received the message differently," the league said in a statement.

It said Malema's remarks on Wednesday were about integrated human settlement and the co-existence of Indians and blacks.

"The ANCYL will therefore not use the word 'makula' to refer to South Africans of Indian origin, because we appreciate and acknowledge that it is not an appropriate word," it said.

The ANCYL acknowledged that Malema used the phrase "bana ba lena ba tshwanetse ba dumelelwe gore ba tsene sekolo le bana ba makula mona" when addressing residents of Thembelihle, south of Johannesburg.

"This was in no way meant to be offensive or derogatory."


Two daily newspapers, Business Day and The Times, translated it as meaning: "Your children must be allowed to go to school with coolie children."

The utterance was greeted with outrage.

The Christian Democratic Party said Malema's comment showed the African National Congress's policy of non-racialism had been scrapped.

"The previous government, often labelled the apartheid regime, 20 years ago scrapped the last racial legislation," Theunis Botha said in a statement.

"The ANC has over the past 17 years re-introduced numerous racial laws. Surely, it cannot claim to be non-racial," he said.

The Afrikanerbond said Malema's racial slur demonstrated the intolerance of individuals within the ANC toward minorities.

"The polarisation of South African communities will develop into a hostile climate unless the ANC act drastically and with discipline in their own ranks," chief secretary Jan Bosman said in a statement.

ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said the league's commitment to non-racialism was intact and would never be "submerged by the utterances".

He said the ANCYL's "economic freedom youth mass action" would go ahead as planned in Johannesburg and Pretoria on October 27 and 28.

  • rynhardt.ferreira - 2011-10-20 16:05

    Hahhahahaha, "we appreciate and acknowledge that it is not an appropriate word" Funny how they cannot say "sorry" for other words and songs being thrown around

      Christo - 2011-10-20 16:10

      He offends everyone everytime he opens that big mouth of his. I don't think it his mouth that is the problem though, I think it's his brain.

      Tebza - 2011-10-20 16:14

      We are not talking about other words or songs here but a specific reference to "Makula" meaning Indians in Sepedi (Northern Sotho) language spoken by the Bapedi's in Limpopo. Can you just for once focus on what is on the table and stop deviating from the main issue.

      Yusuf - 2011-10-20 16:16

      TEBZA.the term is offensive

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-20 16:25

      Malema always means offence - he is the reason I lent my vote to the DA in May.

      Shalin - 2011-10-20 16:30

      @Tebza: Makula does not translate to Indians, and you know that very well.

      nasheenar - 2011-10-20 16:37

      Yes its not meant to be offensive....but the harsh reality is, that it is!

      Jack - 2011-10-20 16:37

      This was all just another publicity stunt. They already had their excuses ready. Fact remains the ANC and its youth wing have racial agendas. FACT

      Myvision - 2011-10-20 16:52

      I think the Pedi language is racist because that's how they call Indians and its not a Malema issue.

      Worsie - 2011-10-20 17:31

      @ Christo: What brain?

      marcelminnaar - 2011-10-20 18:11


      Paul - 2011-10-20 20:56

      @ Tebza , I am sorry but your logic does not compute. If an Arabic speaker used the K@# word to describe an unbeliever you would take offense as the word has another connotation. Surely you cannot hide behind your pathetic excuse. Maybe you should concentrate actually having a bit of moral fiber and refrain from excusing your bigotry and set an example of addressing all South Africans with respect. You are all the first to jump up and down moaning you do get the respect you want. Well respect is earned not just given. So possibly before opening your mouth you should actually engage your brain first. If a public speaker is unable to converse with others and show respect then what value do they have if they break bridge where they should be building bridges.

      Alta - 2011-10-21 06:13

      Well said Paul. YOUTH. In a normal situation everyone is bound to slip in a frase, They are then corrected and strive not to offend in that manner again. In Malemas case this is not true, he gives offence, incites division and does not even in the smallest way endevour to better himself. He is the playground bully who never grew up and never learnt diccipline, the worst possible reprisentation of our country and just a symtom of a mentality that inhibits our groth as a Nation. But looking at the track record no real action will be taken against him altough it is blatantly clear that Malema is single handedly doing more damadge to our country than we can hope to repair the only way is to get rid of him by political emancipation. But that is yust a wish as Zuma has no backbone to act decicively.

      Koos - 2011-10-21 09:32

      This mpondo is a result of inferior genetics....his ancestors were chased out of the north by stronger tribes with robust fortitude and cunning. South Africa was rendered a slow witted, arrogant and lazy dynasty of mpondos.

      curtiswelliem - 2011-10-22 16:13

      @rynhardt I think u are now tjatjarag, U did not say any abt your grandmother Helen Zille, building open toilets for blacks and u are busy trying to castrate Malema for nothing. The land must be shared period, whether whites will try to pick the words he says to discredit him, but it is gonna happen and happening sooner than u think. That land which yo greatgranny stole will be given back to its owners, bloody agent

  • Marius - 2011-10-20 16:06

    Then why did he use it? Morons

      Anthony - 2011-10-20 17:15

      be advised--this fetid turd [no offence implied--its just an english word meaning stinking excrement ]will finally disgrace the anc, forcing them to take him down---he will finally destroy himself

      Jack - 2011-10-20 17:22

      IT's very sad, because just like blacks see the DA as a racist party, i now see the present ANC, it's youth wing and their supporters as racist blacks, it's a vicious circle. The DA unlike the ANC is trying to build the nation, whereas the ANC and it’s likes openly chant their resentment towards whites and Indians alike. Truth be told, Malema has made it very easy for white people to begin hating blacks.

      afroviking - 2011-10-20 21:19

      Marius its called colloquialism there is actually to my knowledge no other word in any black african language for a person of Indian descent. Most likely when your forefathers called them coolies, mine adopted it to amakulus....why does this come as a surprise ?

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-10-20 22:11

      I am divided on this one. As much as I despise his influence, I think rhe message got lost in the rhetoric. He was actually giving the Indian Community a compliment. The orginal Indian community were indentured labourers and were called "Coolies" - an Indian term - from which the Pedi word derives. The same with abalungu (white froth/waves) or ka-fir (original for Non-Muslim). The first Black slaves in Europe were bought from the Arabian nations, and that is what Black slaves were called, because their language was not understood, and no religious practices were visible to the Mualim eye. And so we can carry on! Come on people - lets just get on with what needs to be done.

  • nikondaniel - 2011-10-20 16:08

    Malema never "means" anything that comes out of his mouth, what a fool! How much longer does RSA have to put up with this racist bafoon?!?

  • Sharmay - 2011-10-20 16:10

    The ANCYL needs to be disbanded and Malema sent to Zim to see what nationalization does to a country. Maybe then he'll learn.

  • dirk.smit1 - 2011-10-20 16:11

    If you didn't mean it JuJu, why did you say it then.

  • Eric - 2011-10-20 16:15

    Sorry JuJu - Too little, too late...

  • DrGonzoSA - 2011-10-20 16:15

    Ah sure he's only young

  • mastersvoice - 2011-10-20 16:16

    Does this mean he doesn't mean what he says? Could it be interpreted as an acknowledgment that Malema is just some bumbling simpleton? Isn't it time he was removed from center stage, because he is a massive embarrassment for the ANC and all South Africans.

  • NrGx - 2011-10-20 16:16

    malema you are a racist %$^#* &^#%#&r - Oh I meant no offense

  • Gary - 2011-10-20 16:18

    Double standards again, use the k word in public and it's over for you, this idiot can say what he likes and it's forgotten, Shocking

  • Shalin - 2011-10-20 16:25

    Right so he can say whatever the heck he pleases, and the ANCYL will back him up with a "no offence". I guess that makes it ok to say "Malema is a k****r, no offence"?

      mastersvoice - 2011-10-20 16:41

      No, it doesn't. Unless you'd like to stoop down to his level.

  • Brad.Kopping - 2011-10-20 16:25

    "This was in no way meant to be offensive or derogatory." Oh i guess that makes it ok then? but the OUTCRY of racism if i call julius malema a babboon! cry of racism!!

  • Bokfan - 2011-10-20 16:26

    Speaking Sepedi means never having to say you are sorry.

  • gpoltini - 2011-10-20 16:27

    ANCYL should not have apologized the Journalist from Business Days should apologize for wrong translation thats all. Are we not allowed to use our indigenous languages as well in this country. How you interpret a word is up to u.

      markdoubleu - 2011-10-20 16:36

      So I can use the 'k' word and it's your mistake if you take offence? Don't be silly.

      mastersvoice - 2011-10-20 16:37

      The fact that they did apologize (sort of), means they know full well that it is a derogatory term. Racist slurs cannot be hidden behind the "indigenous language" excuse! No mistake in the translation either, I'm afraid. Isn't it painfully obvious that you're defending the indefensible! Why do you have to make excuses for Malema's mistakes, anyway?

      Jack - 2011-10-20 17:38

      @MastersVoice Well put......To answer your question, Juju is her "sugar daddy" buying her drinks with our tax money.

  • christian.helberg - 2011-10-20 16:28

    bull!! imagine the outrage if an indian, white, or any other race used the "k word" Enough is enough

  • Derk - 2011-10-20 16:33

    hell I could shut his mouth but my fly is stuck

      Getitok - 2011-10-20 17:10

      You getting ET tendencies.

  • Alan - 2011-10-20 16:34

    Is that the criterion? If a word or term is 'in no way meant to be offensive'? So is it alright to use the K word provided that we don't use it in a way meant to be offensive?

  • Piet - 2011-10-20 16:35

    Sharrap ANCYL!!!!

  • Thandi - 2011-10-20 16:36

    Oh my goodness - doesn't fatboy jack have the ability to twist the meaning of racism.

  • ksekgota - 2011-10-20 16:39

    Anyone who is Pedi or an Indian from Limpopo will know that indians are normally called "makula" without any malicious intent. And they also know that it is a general name for Indian. However if you do a direct translation of the word into english then you will be offensive. S

      Jack - 2011-10-20 17:18

      IT's very sad, because just like blacks see the DA as a racist party, i now see the present ANC, it's youth wing and their supporters as racist blacks, it's a vicious circle. The DA unlike the ANC is trying to build the nation, whereas the ANC and it’s likes openly chant their resentment towards whites and Indians alike. Truth be told, Malema has made it very easy for white people to begin hating blacks.

      Myvision - 2011-10-20 22:54

      At least the white man has found the excuse he has been looking for, to wipe clean his concience of all the atrocities and can safely call us racist.

      Googles - 2011-10-21 07:01

      Myvision the ANC committed atrocities too, even against their own people.

      Kevin - 2011-10-21 07:19

      Reply to My Vision. I need no excuse and know that as a white I owe zero to the black man . I have never done anything against them . On the other hand I think the black man owes the white man for bringing civilization and all the things that come with it which is everything you see,touch,feel and desire. SO SAY THANK YOU THAT THE WHITE MAN DID ALL THIS FOR US AND ENJOY IT. STOP ALWAYS WANTING EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING, RIOTING WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE IT AND BURNING IT WHEN YOU DO HAVE IT.

  • David - 2011-10-20 16:42

    Everyone seems to have a lot of time to talk about this Malema lunatic if everyone put more time into putting things right in the country it would be much better spent than listening, reading and watching this idiot

  • chikunga - 2011-10-20 16:44

    I understand when Juju hurts the pale skin, especially those who comment on posts here.But then He sometimes get out of line

      Paul - 2011-10-20 16:57

      wow you must be a rocket scientist

  • Lenisto - 2011-10-20 16:49

    i don't understand how is that word offensive to the public because that's the name of Indians in isiXhosa also...i've been using that name also to refer to Indian's. It's like translating boer to "bhulu"- unlike the word "kwarakwara" which is used to refer to African (black foreigners) brothers which is offensive to the maximum. Unless otherwise someone could prove me wrong...please teach me people so that i can refrain from using that word at all.

      Lenisto - 2011-10-20 17:06

      Is that how you teach someone Mahesh??? seemingly you the worst moron.

      Antonio - 2011-10-20 17:39

      Think about it, Lenisto - if the normal word in isiXhosa for Indians is offensive to Indians, what does that say about the prevailing attitude amongst AmaXhosa towards Indians?

      Mike - 2011-10-20 18:08

      I think Lenisto it isn't about what you say but how you say it. He is an offensive character, more particulary in matter he comments on that have no political value. One doesn't have to like his politics but I hate the division he is sowing amonst all South Africans. I don't hate him because of his political views but I object to his destructive manner of adressing everyone.

  • mpoovalingam - 2011-10-20 16:52

    He has a brain with no cells in it

  • Hermann - 2011-10-20 17:00

    Now I am really laughing. Charlie Chaplin humour. Malema meant no offence, also not when he sang kill the farmer kill the boer. It is merely revolusionary rhetoric. Does the idiot know what the word revolution means?

      Mike - 2011-10-20 17:06

      That's not so much the problem, do his followers understand what rhetoric or metaphor means

  • errol.wagner - 2011-10-20 17:03

    It was taken out of context - it the media that did an incorrect translation - it is the media persecuting poor Julius!!! Perhaps he should take a lesson from Proverbs, that if a fool keeps his mouth shut no one will realise he is a fool.

  • Gammat - 2011-10-20 17:05

    Malema's mouth is his loose cannon, he better tie it down.

  • wilhelm.griesel - 2011-10-20 17:07

    yeah, right

  • Antonio - 2011-10-20 17:10

    What a cool organization the ANC has become! Accountability in their ranks means simply saying sorry whether it is racism, nepotism,corruption, sexism,tenderpreneurism or any other -ism, after which you are absolved of any culpability. I'm off to join now and get my snout in the trough!!!!

  • Stephen - 2011-10-20 17:11

    Pity Mr Malema doesn't hsve the courage or grace to apologise himself

  • Colline - 2011-10-20 17:20

    just like he means no offense by encouraging the slaughter of farmers?the man is a brain dead racist moron

  • sandy.nadesan - 2011-10-20 17:25

    Proud Indian: 17 years into the democracy and we still failed to take you out of the bush. How sad! A limited vocabulary, thinking in a box and not being able to move the nation forward is a crime.Keep your mouth shut and step down.

  • John - 2011-10-20 17:26

    JUst shows: The dude driving a KIA in Nelspruit (I think), had a sticker on the car statig, and I quote Koelie cruiser. He was a racist. Daren Scott called someone that had been borrowing money over time and not paying back, a "K". Fired, racist etc. Now Julius uses the term MAKULA which is an African equivalent of coolie. He is a top notch politician and "DOESENT KNOW???" Maybe there is some truth in the theory of evolution.

  • Josh - 2011-10-20 17:29

    Can someone who understand indigenous languages advice what the alternative word is in he native languages? As always, the media is selling drama as the is alternative word.

  • Tc - 2011-10-20 17:30

    Bloody RACIST!!!

  • Brad Frank - 2011-10-20 17:31

    it's absolutely shocking the stuff that this fool gets away with - even worse... the influence he has over the unemployed & uneducated youth

  • eradingoana - 2011-10-20 17:45

    It is always their culture. If they want to send a hurting message, they say and apologize but the message is gone and cannot be reversed that is Malema 's way of hurting his victims.

  • Skhanyo - 2011-10-20 17:49

    There is nothing offensive about what Julius said and he should not apologize...An indian in many African languages is Ikula, and I do not know about a coolie. Whoever wrote that story is the one who is busy fueling racial tensions in this country! People should not be fooled by silly journalists who make unfounded assumptions...That journalist just proved to me that he/she does not understand Tswana or any African language: on what occasion does ikula translate to a coolie? I guess only when you want to generate racial tensions between the poeple, who would not under normal circumstances have any tension...well done journalist, I am sure your work is paying off!

      jody.beggs - 2011-10-20 18:04

      Yes and umlungu is an endearing term to describe whites......

      Mike - 2011-10-20 18:18

      It may not be offensive to you but then this issue is not about you!!

      Antonio - 2011-10-20 19:40

      Skhanyo, don't forget how often on the African continent Indians have been subjected to violence and xenophobia by Africans? Without knowledge of our history, we cannot properly understand our present.

      Valkery - 2011-10-20 20:33

      Skhanyo, do you understand Afrikaans. There is nothing offensive in valling you a k**f*r

  • Tarryn - 2011-10-20 17:54

    Once you've said something like this you can't exactly just brush it off and "take it back" and then all is forgiven.. it doesn't work like that! Just ask Darren Scott.

  • nspaynter - 2011-10-20 18:01

    I have a problem trying to understand why Black learners are not going to an Indian School and vice versa. I thought all schools were open to all. Here in Paarl there are schools where the learners are mixed and it's great to see learners of different races walking home together as friends. My problem is that there are still schools that are blacks only or coloured only. The learners going to these schools are missing out on diversity. If Julius Malema mixed a bit more with other races, he would show more tolerance towards people of other races.

      nspaynter - 2011-10-20 18:17

      I used to catch the train to work in Durban each day. In the morning there were pupils that went to a primary school in Amanzimtoti. There were both English and Afrikaans pupils. Then they built a new school further down the line for Afrikaans speaking pupils and the kids separated. Within a few weeks they were fighting each other on the train. Bad news. Separating kids is not a good idea. We should all be learning to become South Africans.

      Mohammad - 2011-10-21 09:24

      nspaynter as i said in my earlier Post Malema was talking outside Lenasia,a Indian area"during Apartheid" where there are numerous schools of which on average there are 70% of blacks in those schools. in two of the schools of about approx 1100 students there are only 5-15 indian students the rest are black brought in from the informal settlement and Soweto. The schools has been mixed for the past 20 years even during the last few year of apartheid the Indian schools were taking pupils of all colour, race and religion. so what was Malema taking about.

  • aiazmir - 2011-10-20 18:06

    The remark that Malema said, "about integrated human settlement and the co-existence of Indians and blacks" just shows how the ANC are promoting polarization through Malema. This is a designed progamme by the ANC. Divide and conquer. For God's sake we are all people. The color, language, culture, gender, and language is irrelevant. Who is this punk? Don't be deceived about the motives behind what he says. It is all designed to divide and conquer, especially by our President, He is following the example of Napolean, Hitler and Churchill. Division between people is an effective way to deflect criticism.

  • Brainbow - 2011-10-20 18:17

    To our African Indians, is it really offensive to be called a "coolie"? To South Afrians, do you find it offensive when someone refers to you or anyone else as a "coolie"?

      aiazmir - 2011-10-20 19:06

      You are obviously ignorant from where this term originated. The Indian community came to our country to provide labour for our sugar cane industry. They soon got the nickname of "coolie" because they sought refuge from the "harsh" climate that they encountered. They were extremely abused and suffered the kind of indignity that only were used to in their own country. SA Indians have evolved into an important component of our society despite the views of Malema. I would remind Malema, that when the "settlers" arrived in this country, the "wheel" had not been invented by the indigenous people.

      Brainbow - 2011-10-20 19:47

      You missed the first part of the question. Are you an African Indian or a South African?

  • Rip - 2011-10-20 19:05

    Quoting from Duncan L Du Bois' book "Labourer or Settler?": "Whereas to the colonist indentured Indians were simply "coolies," many Indians attucally took offence at that label. 'In Tamil, kuli referred to payment for menial work for persons without customary rights .... While the Gujarati root of kuli refered to a person belonging to the Kuli tribe whose members were commonly described as thieves, robbers and plunderers." Mr Malema should have known better than to desribe our fellow citizens of Indian extraction as "Coolies".

  • tsholon1 - 2011-10-20 19:15

    If the ANC is taking disciplinary action against Malema and his pahame on rtners, why is he allowed to use the ANCYL platforms to corrupt young minds and the nation. Malema is poison let him be banned from public appearance on the ANCYL platforms. This imply that the ANC is rotten to the core because no one can stop Malema. Shame on ANC leadership

  • chris.khanye - 2011-10-20 19:20

    The ANCYL acknowledged that Malema used the phrase "bana ba lena ba tshwanetse ba dumelelwe gore ba tsene sekolo le bana ba makula mona" Malema now labeling South Africans of Indian origin "coolies" and anyone desparately trying to explain Malema's utterances differently is only misleading the ill informed. How long will some especially in the ANC tolerate Malema's racist rants? Cry The Beloved Country!

  • hennie.buys1 - 2011-10-20 19:20

    Haha Malema again suffers from a bout of serious foot in mouth disease :)

  • luke.slade - 2011-10-20 19:46

    Ignorance is no excuse! Bad Julius! Bad!

  • Nomnotho - 2011-10-20 20:12

    I think we all have our opinions abt Malema,depending whether you take him seriously or not. But I think for South Africa`s sake an education of some sort has got to happen wrt what is regarded as offensive and what is. The fact is some kids ( some in adult skin) grew up and some are still growing up with these words being thrown around and are oblivious to its bad nature. Also in the diverse South Africa that we live in , there are different descents even amongst the same racial groups - for instance as a Zulu, I was not aware that it is offensive to call some Xhosa people Mpondo and yet there is AmaMpondo tribe within the Xhosa and once I heard an Indian guy calling another Indian guy Kula, so I thought it not offensive but then somebody explained to me that perhaps they were of different Indian descent , may be the one was Tamil and the other Hindi and they would tend to be derogatory to each other. So Malema aside , I think as South Africans who want so much to appreciate our diversity we need to be educated on this. Can any other onstructive SAn refer me to a source of such teachings please.

  • chris.debeer1 - 2011-10-20 20:23

    Eishh now I do not understand the ANCYL said he did not say it now they say he did. When are they lieung and when are they talking truth???

  • dougmayger - 2011-10-20 21:28

    What a suprise - NO APPOLOGY - Everybody else has got it wrong