Malema supporters 'threaten stability'

2011-09-02 18:00

Johannesburg - Militant supporters of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema could destabilise Southern Africa, the Communist Party of Swaziland said on Friday.

"One of the dangers of the current situation... is the rise of... movements that ride on the mobilisation of the unemployed, disempowered and ill-educated masses," general secretary Kenneth Kunene said in a statement.

He was responding to violence in Johannesburg's CBD on Tuesday, when Malema supporters threw bottles and bricks at police and journalists outside ANC headquarters Luthuli House.

Kunene said the African National Congress and SA Communist Party had become targets for attack by "a growing ultra-nationalist right wing that has hijacked the language of liberation and revolution".

He compared the situation in Southern Africa with that in Europe prior to the outbreak of the World War II.

Fascism and its newer guises were not confined to Europe, and the conditions in Southern Africa now were ripe for these ideologies to manifest themselves.

"This lumpen proletariat, [lacking] political awareness is readily brought into action in support of populist leaders, whose main loyalties lie with a narrow oligarchic class that has its eyes on political power and the wealth of the country."

Kunene pledged the party's continuing support for the ANC alliance.

Malema was brought before the party's disciplinary committee on charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing divisions in ANC ranks.

He recently said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and to help bring about regime change, as it believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

Charged with him are ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Masenogi.

All except Shivambu would appear before the committee on Friday. His disciplinary hearing had been postponed to a later date.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-02 18:08

    Bring it on. we are ready for the incompetent brats. The are only endangering their own instability.

      Grayman - 2011-09-02 18:16

      Not so fast gatvol. The man (Kunene) has a point. The ANC rose to power by destabilising the country and using the youth to make it ungovernable. The trouble is that the ANC has never brought the youth under control again. Instead they have been far too busy scoffing at the gravy train trough. The current ANC doesn't have the balls or the means to bring the youth under control. This could be very interesting times indeed.

      letsee - 2011-09-02 18:55

      The ANCYL is a threat to governments that are weak, incompetent, autocratic and all else that means abusive, non-transparent, corrupt, etc.

      Schalk - 2011-09-02 19:05

      John, I wouldn't be so sure... There is a very fitting saying about this: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. And yes, if the communist party of Swaziland starts criticizing your "liberation movement" then you should know that you have probably reached the outer limits of human stupidity...

      Dragons berg - 2011-09-02 19:07

      @realist03 and we will win because we have the brains and the brawn, all they got are the numbers but its pretty pathetic strategies that wont get them far lol.

      Proefleser - 2011-09-02 19:17

      Grayman, the Nat government ceded power as a result of international sanctions, not because they couldn't handle youths who tried to make the country ungovernable. The ANC will have to get rid of Malema for the same reason, namely international economic withdrawal which we cannot afford.

      Politicallycorrect - 2011-09-02 19:19

      The ANC created this baby and now they can't even put a diaper on it!

      Netherlander - 2011-09-02 19:34

      Says a man who's COUNTRY IS BANKRUPT!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your Commie Nose OUT OF SOUTH AFRICA and get off that CLOUD YOU ON!!! SA was CONDEMNED the day the ANC took over..all that has happened is the ELITE have had a FEAST at the TROUGH since 1994... and now EVERYONE WANTS A TURN!!!! What ever did become of the Communist Party of Swaziland????? Sorry.. I cannot hear.... erm... Sorry? Yep... as I suspected... operates from SA soil.... to POEP SCARED to set foot in Swaziland...

      cliffarc - 2011-09-02 19:38

      - Not forgetting that the Anc were only too happy with Malema's rhetoric only a few months back , prior to the municipal elections. Zuma openly shared a stage with him, quite happy with his vote buying anti-white diatribe. What's changed is that Malema has occupied centre stage,gained popular support and created a vacuum in the leadership. Feeling threatened, the Anc are trying to reign Malema in, but is it all too late ?

      jontheb - 2011-09-02 21:13

      I think cliffarc has analysed the situation perfectly. JZ was happy with Julius, provided he brought in the votes, but Julius has let all the attention get to his head. Julius now thinks he should lead the ANC! If Julius stays true to form, he could tear the ANC vote in half - the birth of some true competition! Let's just hope SA maintains the rule of law and all this squabbling could bring about some good...

      ANC support - 2011-09-03 11:41

      movements that ride on the mobilisation of the unemployed, disempowered and ill-educated masses

      hennie.buys1 - 2011-09-03 11:43

      The problem is that Julius now sees himself as the ANC "kingmaker". That puts a pretty big head on a person like julius. He's shaking the ANC to see what falls out:P I wouldn't be surprised if he has enough dirt on the NEC and other officials in the ANC to get off the hook again.

  • tommy 2 - 2011-09-02 18:11

    This dude giving his opinion is from swaziland.

      willieman - 2011-09-02 18:22

      so,what is your problem he is talking sense

      ammpike - 2011-09-02 18:50

      He can see reality no matter he is in Swaziland

      JMan - 2011-09-07 14:37

      ...a growing ultra-nationalist right wing that has hijacked the language of liberation and revolution".... best (public) description of these idiots yet. Seems to me that "this dude from Swaziland" knows what he's talking about.

  • motsokwi - 2011-09-02 18:13

    It's laughable to read how zim and swazi movements are so quick to foresee our political future and yet they live under the ancient style of being governed.My tip to you guys is sort out your MU'S, MU-swati and MU-gabe, we know our future thank you.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-02 18:39

      Did not know you are a seer, as most of us are not and do not know what the future holds. So do enlighten us all, seeing that you know already???

      Real_Issue - 2011-09-02 18:57

      We may find out that even you yourself are not coming from south africa but your parent migrated into this country. So listen to what a human being says and not where he/she comes from.

      SpetsnazLaz - 2011-09-02 21:38

      @motsokwi and what is that future?

  • kleinkoppi - 2011-09-02 18:16

    "a growing ultra-nationalist right wing" Who's the right wingers now... And some of the people always said it only the whites...

      realist03 - 2011-09-02 18:22

      we still here,we training and preparing for this,it was all so predictable,we lay and wait to take back true freedom for all and ALL meaning all colours who want true freedom

      Netherlander - 2011-09-02 19:35


  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-02 18:18

    @Grayman -- point taken..

  • Christelle - 2011-09-02 18:19

    Seems as if the pack of wolves are turning against each other. Amazing when it comes to self preservation how the bottom end of Maslow's hierarchy turns on its own.

      Succubus - 2011-09-02 18:26

      What is most amusing, is how their very actions reinforce their position in Maslow's hierarchy.

      Christelle - 2011-09-02 18:32

      @succubus - that is why - even though many tried - his philosophy is so difficult to challenge - it does proof itself over and over to be true. Look at the actions this past week and the position these people have in his theory

      fraidycat - 2011-09-02 18:43

      But Christelle, they might continuously proove their position on the hierarchy - but it remains scary that they work in packs only with leaders as low on the hierarchy as themselves, with a noted disrepect for life and a love of destruction.

      Christelle - 2011-09-02 18:49

      @fraidycat - you must remember that many of the leaders moved from the bottom of this pyramid to the top in no time and did not go through the growing process like we are supposed to. That is why many of the African countries are in the desperate situations they are in - because of this warped move from bottom to top of many of their leaders

      fraidycat - 2011-09-02 18:52

      @Christelle - so true, this is what makes it sooo scary - Malema moving to top of the pile...a very unsettling thought indeed.

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-02 19:50

      I just have a feeling when the going gets tough for the ANC now, and the kindergarten start their civil disobedience war, I will bet millions of dollars to donuts that the ANC will then come begging for the old guard, those that fought in Angola and Rhodesia to come and help them, since they are the only ones who can fight and have all the experience and know-how of war.Our present army can't contain them and as for the police well jawell no fine. We will not mention those cowrards called the MK vetrans, who were too scared to face us anywhere in a fight. Personally I'll sit back and watch these people rip each other apart. Sure it won't be good for the country but the reality is we are past the point of no return if the ANCYL decide to make this place ungovernable. If any of these buggers, no matter which side they are from, come near my home or business then they will learn about war very quickly. Funny thing is I think there are quite a few people out there who will follow suit.

  • willieman - 2011-09-02 18:20

    This are the result of blind followers who depend on hearsay and vuvuzela politics.This so called young lions do not resd let alone study.History has taught us that the so called leaders incited their people in commiting genocide,murder,etc.Hitler,,Kosovo,Rwanda(modern history on our door step)How can young people(varsity students nogal) follow people like Malema,a person who does not understand the constitution of his makes you think ne!!

      william.botha - 2011-09-02 18:24

      Mob politics. Similar to the Mexican drug lords.

      Grayman - 2011-09-02 18:30

      @willieman: everything else they have been promised and believed in has come to nought. Why not follow Malema then?

  • william.botha - 2011-09-02 18:23

    SA not quite so stable anyway.

  • Babba x - 2011-09-02 18:24

    Can't wait to get a piece of them

  • flummoxed - 2011-09-02 18:26

    Has anyone noticed how very often Fatboy's referred to 'aa the President' followed by 'of the ANC yute league.' Sod thinks that he's king of the hill already!!

      fraidycat - 2011-09-02 18:47

      Dictator in the making - wonder whether he will also be charge for the next 28 years? He wants to take Africa back to the past, before the wheel was invented. The ANC cannot even run basic delivery services, but this einstein wants to run nationalism...

  • crackerr - 2011-09-02 18:30

    EVERYBODY. Taste that lager. And the politicians.

  • EuropeanAfrican - 2011-09-02 18:31

    F*ck the ANCYL and anyone who supports them. I'm so sick of these uneducated, militant morons. How stupid must you be to still support these idiots?? My dog has more common sense than an ANCYL supporter! Julius Malema will go to jail for corruption. The writing is on the wall. On that day I will personally hand him a jar of Vaseline. When he dies of ass infected aids I will piss on his grave with a smile on my face :-)

      Netherlander - 2011-09-02 19:37

      We will STAND TOGETHER!!!!!

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:47

      you will have to stand in line

      rattle - 2011-09-03 19:33

      dont give him the vaseline he does not deserve it

      Hugh Mungus - 2011-09-06 08:56

      Pollsmor numbers gangs would have a field day with him.

  • Harambe - 2011-09-02 18:33

    Malema will be made irrelevant eventually, but this may drag longer than would expect due a number of factors: Malema's legal representation will technically challenge some of the clauses in the ANC constitution and may even drag this out Luthuli House prolonging his foreseeable demise & fall from grace. Don't pop your champagnes just yet.

      fraidycat - 2011-09-02 18:49

      Malema will be remembered as the idiot who destabilised and finally destroyed one of the riches countrys' in Africa! In the land of the blind, the one eyed monster is king...

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:48

      they must hurry up the RWC starts soon

  • Dambuza - 2011-09-02 18:36

    Some people act as if Malema has been found guilty of a crime already. They must let the normal procedure take place and then react lawfully only after the verdict has been handed down.lema has been found guilty of a crime already. They must let the normal procedure take place and then react lawfully only after the verdict has been handed down.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:49

      mal lemmer was born - that is a crime in itself

  • Blip - 2011-09-02 18:43

    The Communist Party of Swaziland? Both of them?

  • leonard - 2011-09-02 18:45

    Methinks that commie might be refering to his own country.Can`t resist this,it is the pot calling the kettle black.The problems are endemic to Africa and will not just go away unless the ruling parties take decisive action.

  • Dal68 - 2011-09-02 18:45

    When I was much younger, the right wingers were white, wore khakis and spoke the times have changed. hahahahahahahaha

  • twinkles - 2011-09-02 18:47

    The ANC is bigger than little Malema

  • John Fox - 2011-09-02 18:50

    Wow!! I never thought I would see the day when a self proclaimed communist would use the words "destabiising a country"? I thought that was the creed of all communists. But this Kunene has a valid point. If a country is brought to its knees then there is no hope for anyone in the country. I think the Malema vs Zuma led party has a hidden agenda. Malema claims he did not know about the ANC constitution and the terms attached. How can an elected president of a sub-set of the ANC not know these finer points? Either he is arrogant, misinformed or simply of too low a mentality to be in the position he has been voted into. If you are a member of a club, association or any other body there are rules one has to agree to and abide by to become a memebr. It seems to me Malema has not read the "handbook" or if he has he simply believes he is not bound by the rules or the constitution of the organisation. In that case he should be booted out as a "persona non gratis", which for those who do not understand the latin means "he is not welcome here".

  • letsee - 2011-09-02 18:55

    The ANCYL is a threat to governments that are weak, incompetent, autocratic and all else that means abusive, non-transparent, corrupt, etc.

  • Lawrence - 2011-09-02 18:59

    Senior ANC leaders will be judged by history for failer to act decisevely on malema .Law that govern our liberation movement has been trangressed .Zuma must act desisevely, second term or not.Good leadership is not judged by terms but but on the ability to lead a party. The youth league must must also know that is not only them who Millitant ,the poor are also millitant enough to defend Zuma and ANC principles even through the barrel of a gun. The country and leadership cannot afford to be hold ransom buy a self serving youth.Bishop Baloyi ,Independent Analist and News correspondent

  • Boxxer - 2011-09-02 19:02

    Rocks to a gun fight can't wait

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-02 19:12

    A rebel within the ANC using the party as a cover to take over the ANC with a radical agenda.

  • Gavin Mannion - 2011-09-02 19:19

    Really... did this group not see how the police managed to squash the protesters? Imagine what would happen if the army were called in to sort it out, these guys aren't a threat they are just annoying..

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:05

      I would like to see that.... the army coming in for the ANCYL.... mmmmm hope you are right.

  • redlentilporridge - 2011-09-02 19:29

    WOOOOOHOOO! i smells me a civil war, wow,them liberals sure gonna get a nice surprise when them zombies pull is at the door and rape them same liberals to death, a fitting end, for those that hate Righteousness and Apartheid. 1Pe 1:16 because it has been written, “Be set-apart, for I am set-apart.” yes, Apartheid is Biblically Commanded, now you pay the price.

      redlentilporridge - 2011-09-02 19:31

      Lev 11:45 ‘For I am ???? who is bringing you up out of the land of Mitsrayim, to be your Elohim. And you shall be set-apart, for I am set-apart.

      Dundermoose - 2011-09-02 19:46

      Please man! Apartheid is NOT biblical!! What a misinterpretation of the Bible. Another translation of the same verse is "for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy." Set apart is not refering to dividing people - it means to be special... Godly. Nothing like apartheid there. John 13:34-35 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." That is a more accurate representation of what the Bible has to say about the hate of apartheid!

      Dundermoose - 2011-09-02 19:49

      Again, another translation of Lev 11:45 "I am the Lord, who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy." might give you the idea that God was not commanding that we be kept apart (apartheid). Set apart does not mean the same as kept apart!!

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:53

      There is a church for sale in the southern courier - go check it out

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:08

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      mn8 - 2011-09-08 00:51

      PMSL!!!! Shut your pie hole.

  • Jack TheOnlyRipper - 2011-09-02 19:30

    This article is a load of crock. The ANCYL is not nearly this strong, further the support at the trial this far has been minute to say the least. Just like the media has been inventing Julius they are now inventing this "fear of mas destabilization" Julius does not nearly have the force or support suggested here. If the media stopped following this idiot, he wil die a small death somewhere in obscurity....

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:09

      It's too late now. And perhaps a good thing it came to this, to get a real democratic S A when all of this is finally over.

  • MBruno - 2011-09-02 19:36

    South Africans can easily get rid of the in-fighting within the ANC and the threat to political and economic stability posed by Malema and his supporters. It suffices to vote other political parties into office. In fact, there is no shortage of options out there (the DA, the UDM, etc.).

  • kingkong - 2011-09-02 19:42

    well the monster needs to be fed i wonder what will happen if he is fired is it even possible or is the the liberation movement to chicken to do it , well time will tell interesting times ahead. the biggest opposition to the ANC will come from the ANC

      BakkieB - 2011-09-02 19:45

      exactly like it happend in the old Soviet Union, except the leaders there had brains

  • AgPseDaddy - 2011-09-02 19:44

    The old South Africa was lost around the table and not in the bush and townships...i know!!!

  • BakkieB - 2011-09-02 19:50

    If the "fat boy" is kicked out, which I doubt will happen, how long will his sheep follow him when he delivers nothing? You can only toyi, toyi on an empty stomach for so long until you need to eat. Even the unemployed, that we are all being warned about, can only listen to promises until they realise nothing is going to change. Dangerous, but not sustainable.

  • Deset Rat - 2011-09-02 19:54

    These are the type of people "BOB" would love to have in Zimbabwe. He needs all the support he can get to continue to de-stabilize Zim Can JZ make a deal and have them shipped there asap?

  • Parry Naidoo - 2011-09-02 20:23

    Had the ANC acted earlier in disaplining Malema, all his ranting and raving would have been stopped in its tracks, yes the full blame must be be layed squarely on the shoulders of the ANC. They simply did nothing.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:57

      The zoomer needed mal lemmer at that time to out mbeki and this has now backfired on him,mal lemmer saw how easy it was to get rid of mbeki and he is trying the same thing on the Zoomer.We will soon see who is the better at this game of chess

  • Yellow1 - 2011-09-02 20:33

    Malema supporters are a few useless people and they wont do nothing, I just hope the ANC can get rid of Malema for our country's sake. Malema is not that powerful, if he doesnt speak on behalf of ANC or ANCYL who will listen to him?

  • Atoombom - 2011-09-02 21:19

    Ons sal sien hoe hierdie klomp barspote hardloop as n paar FN-FAL's agter hulle gatte begin klap.................

  • - 2011-09-02 21:20

    And to think that ALL this ancyl drama COULD have been prevented IF Zuma had stopped malema in his tracks when he first started 'spouting forth'.... Zuma gave him way too much rope and, instead of hanging himself, malema has possibly unleashed a very real threat to the future of this being ruled by a tyrannical despot!

  • Helper - 2011-09-02 22:19

    Politics, for sure I am apolitical and I don't care much about what is happening in the world of politics however these recuring incidences of burning of political party T-shirts needs to be acted up on and the sooner the better. we don't want people lacking leadership qualities to lead the country siple because they have good support base of ill-disciplened people. a warning SA.

  • Verdade - 2011-09-02 22:29

    zzzzz, Thanks Swaziland CP....zzzzzz We know, worry about your own problems.

  • Douglas - 2011-09-02 23:03

    The communist party of Swaziland is absolutely right, why is it no one else can see the danger this poses.

  • Jono - 2011-09-02 23:26

    Seriously.... the general secretary of the Swaziland Communist Party... could you possibly quote from a more inconsequential source? Harold Camping has more credibility and standing than this political minnow.

  • whereu - 2011-09-03 01:53

    Communism died when the Berlin wall came down. Even Castro has admitted that communism is not viable.

      umhlopo - 2011-09-03 11:59

      yeah but africa is 1000 years behind the rest,they dont even know that its over in russia

  • Kenneth - 2011-09-03 04:27

    Gatvol-before you get ahead of yourself,when exactly were we ready?No South African was ever prepared for Malema and the goons.Taking on an angry mob is nothing short of madness.If that crowd ever take over or cause a major castastrophe,my family and i are not going to hang around to see what happens next!!!

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:16

      I tend to agree with you, what can our army, of which half is in Burundi and other half off-sick, and the SAPS who admitted they were not ready for the masses going to do? I only WISH I and MY family can get out of here, but everyone is unfortunately not in that position. I will stay and "fight" but can someone please tell us also, those of you who seems to be READY FOR IT, exactly WHAT am I to do? With one gun in the house? No training, not knowing WHERE to get training???? Even just for survival. I don't want to give pleasure to these bastards who may read this, (ANCYL), but I honestly see nothing about what exactly to do other than hope and pray!!!!!!!

  • Badger - 2011-09-03 08:01

    In the good ole days, a threat on the stability of the country tantamounted to TREASON!

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:18

      The ANC should simply BAN the ANCYL and yes, get them one by one for High Treason, that is what they deserve!

  • keithy - 2011-09-03 11:32

    Bring it on! We need an excuse to start standing up to bratt behaviour!!

      LBS - 2011-09-03 16:19

      Please explain HOW....

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  • dcentboy - 2011-09-06 12:47

    the government lead by illetarate people wil alwys bring about confusion in the soceity....infact zuma must just leave our offices coz since he is in power....100 percent promiced service percent diliverd instead there costing us the little we have..i miss the government of thabo mbeki

  • Neetash Singh - 2011-09-06 15:25

    ill-educated masses..... Think there is alot of them....

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  • James - 2011-09-08 08:49

    "One of the dangers of the current situation... is the rise of... movements that ride on the mobilisation of the unemployed, disempowered and ill-educated masses," BINGO! The ANC in a nutshell.

  • Nkopane Makhetha - 2011-09-08 13:55

    Those numb skull Malema supporters don't scare me, hopefully the ANC feels the same way...