Mangaung 'a tipping point for ANC'

2012-10-29 10:34

Johannesburg - Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe believes the ANC's upcoming Mangaung conference could help restore the public's confidence in the party by formulating clear policies.

"[The ANC] must continue to be relevant and capable of providing leadership today, not because of the [party's] glorious history," Motlanthe was quoted as saying by Business Day on Monday.

The newspaper was quoting from a transcript of a Financial Times interview with Motlanthe, in which he said Mangaung would be a "tipping point" for the ANC.

He reportedly said that as people and various sectors looked to Mangaung on clues about South Africa's political and economic outlook, the African National Congress would be expected to set out clear policies.

Motlanthe said the party had to be the natural political home to the broadest cross-section of South Africans, including the youth.

"They use a simple measurement... Is the ANC capable of going to the moon? And they say: 'Well if it can't deliver textbooks, how can it go to space?'"

Motlanthe said children born after apartheid would be voting for the first time and that this generation was not sentimental in its approach to choosing which party would get its vote.

"We have to ensure that we come up with a formula that works for this country."

  • matshobana.siziba - 2012-10-29 10:39

    The great Mao once said, "Power(Read ANC) is like a sex maniac on heat prowling for a lover........ there is no way to stop him(it)" Check debate on

      mariuskowie - 2012-10-29 10:59

      The ANC are very good at formulating policies. They fall flat on their face during the implementation.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-10-29 11:02

      Who Cares !! Western Province are Currie Cup Champions !!!!!!!!

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-29 11:14

      Justice and power must be brought together, so that whatever is just may be powerful, and whatever is powerful may be just. Blaise Pascal

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-29 11:14

      @Matshobana....good having your SPEAR on display all the time, I think its to late for the ANC to turn this ship around especially if Zoom-Zoom is re-elected.

      ianon.ym - 2012-10-29 11:24

      Clear as Mud Policies.

      NickvanGraan - 2012-10-29 11:25

      Why do we have to wait for Mangaung in order to get clear policies? What they are saying is that at the moment we do not have clear policies formulated? why not? Personally I think that there is so much division within the ANC that Mangaung is going to make no difference. The sooner the big split comes the better.

      juju.malema.792 - 2012-10-29 11:26

      "Is the ANC capable of going to the moon?" Mr Motlanthe, so detached from reality are you and your ANC comrades that the only conclusion to draw is that you all are already living on the moon.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-29 12:01

      Mao actually did find a way...BULLET to back of head, but I do not think we want to go there.

      maredi.mello.75 - 2012-10-29 13:55

      This country's name is South Africa, cut the Mzansi crap please.

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-29 17:38

      the anc will never be a working political party....its a struggle movement.......and they'll be struggling forever!

  • johny.stront - 2012-10-29 10:40

    I wish this Magangsta party fks up real bad!!

      jc.jonck - 2012-10-30 09:00

      It is going to. And then there will be chaos. Luckily not much ANC in the Garden Route :)

  • patson.nedzamba - 2012-10-29 10:41

    You can come up with all fancy policies,but if u still have greedy and corrupt pigs within your circles, all will be null and void.

      talana.malherbe - 2012-10-29 13:58

      @patson.nedzamba, I couldn't have said it better!

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-10-29 10:43

    Are all these PIGS flying around darkening (blackening and transforming) our South African sky's heralding in the 2nd coming? The prophets did predict 2012 you know. Is THIS why R5billion was required for SAA? to support and pay for the piglets to fly to that city of flowering fountains, Bloemfontein (manygaung)? Begging bowl in very loud gnarled claws or CHANGE?

  • eva.walle.75 - 2012-10-29 10:44

    "...continue to be relevant..."?? The ANC was only relevant when they fought against apartheid! You have not been relevant for the last 14 years! (post Mandala)

  • - 2012-10-29 10:44

    No new policies will help Mr Mantashe. New people who are honest and who can actually do something are what we need.

      Letlhogonolo Cuban Sealetsa - 2012-10-29 11:27

      its actually Motlanthe not Manthashe

  • harley.quin.334 - 2012-10-29 10:49

    They use a simple measurement... Is the ANC capable of going to the moon? I wish these leeches would go to the moon, and stay there...

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-10-29 11:38

      go to the moon...yeah right, they stared at it for centuries and still could not invent the wheel. - 2012-10-29 18:04


  • kuvha.tshilamatanda - 2012-10-29 10:50

    i asked the old lady what does she think about the ANC of nelson mandela time and she said to kuvha nelson mandela was the leader of the people,the ANC of today is led by thugs who swim in the pool of corruption,ya ne this old woman rock my day!

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-29 10:52

    When is he gonna avail himself for nomination. Coward !

  • teleki.maker - 2012-10-29 10:52

    Fk mangaung

  • sandy.sutherland.58 - 2012-10-29 10:53

    What he means is that all the KFC, Berets and T Shirts they hand out, should the uneducated masses believing in the lies that the ANC tell....

  • derk.woldendorp - 2012-10-29 10:55

    is the road to Mangaung full of potholes?

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-10-29 12:43

      Definitely, but the roads to Nkandla are smooth, built with 5 million crisp new R100 notes, courtesy of tax payers.

  • gary.desousa.7 - 2012-10-29 11:05

    He comments that"We have to come up with a formula that works for this country" A bit scary that after 18 yrs and millions of rands spent on economists, on ministers that are socialist/communist he wants a formula when the correct formula is contrary to all that they have been doing?

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-29 12:02

      A multi-state solution is the only solution.

  • thefat.canarie - 2012-10-29 11:06

    Please get rid of this vile and corrupt Zuma regime!!!

      mark.singh.9889 - 2012-10-29 11:15

      Then another corrupt thief will take oevr. Rather get rid of the ANC

  • Eterni80 - 2012-10-29 11:08

    In order to get power and retain it, it is necessary to love power; but love of power is not connected with goodness but with qualities that are the opposite of goodness, such as pride, cunning and cruelty Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy if the cANCer knew that they know nothing, they'd know something, which would be a start..

      Ngwato Lipson Nchabeleng - 2012-10-29 11:30

      who really care Mr deput? all u do is more talk thn action. and why no action? cANCer tke action concerning limpopo crisis.

      flysouth - 2012-10-29 13:06

      The 'Will to Power" - as some have termed it, has been responsible for some of the worst evils of history. In the 20th century it led to Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot to name a few along with the deaths of hundreds of millions - men who were determined to seize power above all without any moral sense to temper that desire. We see that phenomenon daily as we observe the workings of the ANC. ""Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." — Thomas Jefferson, (source unknown) "

  • gerhard.combrink1 - 2012-10-29 11:14

    An interesting fact: There were violence and chaos in Rustenburg over the weekend, but nothing is being said about it in the news. Instead, the main story is Bon Jovi's ticket sale details. Seriously, is this apartheid style censoring of news all over again? Do the media really believe we don't know what's really going on and that they're trying their best to hide the facts to protect investor confidence...

  • john.cryink - 2012-10-29 11:15

    More "I demand" "I am entitled to" "I have the rights to". Please cANCer tell the people who going to pay for your "tipping" point in mangaung. If only it was tips you cANCers want but you want every cent a tax payer earns

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-10-29 11:20

    He says policies, but what he actually want to say is that the leadership needs to change for the ANC and the country to survive. Motlanthe please start to play a open hand so that when they do not vote you in we can know that it is because of the idiotic follower that people in the fraudelant Zuma!

  • cyril.laubscher - 2012-10-29 11:21

    Its not setting out new policies that we find is the problem its the corruption and failure to follow any of those policies

  • 0001000ghost - 2012-10-29 11:23

    jar man jy is n idioot. die anc het nog altyd "clear policies" gehad. julle etters moet net op hou steel en skouer aan die wiel sit. ek sien julle, lekker chill time by parlement.

  • frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-29 11:27

    We have to face reality - as long as we have the uneducated masses in SA we will hev the ANC in power. Therefore the only realistic hope for SA is that they have to elect a leader who has universal appeal and respect both inside and outside SA. Fortunately such a person exists - Trevor Manuel. Unfortunately the ANC is too racist to elect him as a leader.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-29 11:29

    Unfortunately, should Motlanthe be voted as the ANC's leader, he is a going to be a populist leader, trying to appease the masses and not standing up for what is right. And the masses are illiterate!

  • ntandoseg - 2012-10-29 11:33

    It should concern every voter that the things that the ANC prioritises are policies, policies and more policies, not action, not implementation, not accountability...but policies....

  • blindfolded.cynic - 2012-10-29 11:35

    Mangaung will be little different from Polokwane - already the ANC hyenas are circling the prey, warily watching each other to make sure no other gets more than their 'share', ready to tear each other apart - and any innocent bystanders - in their blind lust for power and personal riches. Cry the Beloved Country!

  • Boy - 2012-10-29 11:37

    Mangaung is just another excuse for a party by the cANCer ruling party that will once again be funded by the public. Can they stop spending ridicuolous amounts of time and money on BS! and start looking after the people in this country who dont want to wait for all the drama that will inevitably unfold during monggong!!!!!!

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-10-29 11:38

    A N C wiil have to make a paradigm shift,across the board to accomplish,such aspirations.

  • Forgotten - 2012-10-29 11:39

    ANC go to the moon..... BAHAHAHAHAHA BEST JOKE I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!!!! They can't even run a country!!! The only thing they can do is corrupting out beautiful Country!!!!

  • michael.freeman.16752 - 2012-10-29 11:45

    Motlanthe you must be joking.No matter what you do,you will never restore the public's confidence in the party.The children born after apartheid will no which is right and which is wrong.They will know what the ANC is doing to this country.

  • mabeeden - 2012-10-29 11:46

    Formulate till the cows come home - its the DELIVERY thats missing.

  • gert.koegelenberg.1 - 2012-10-29 11:49

    Nowhere in the world and especially in Africa has a Liberation movement been able to make the transition into a democratic government. Liberation movements have their place in history but so has democracy. The ANC is unable to make the transition and is sliding back to the revolutionary actions of a liberation movement. Ke Nako!

  • qhama.bona - 2012-10-29 11:49

    I must say I'm a big fan of the humble Motlanthe. I just like the fact that he is common decency that humans should have. He accepts criticism and he also answers the hard questions from the media and opposition MP's. Even though I don't know much about his politics because ANC leaders always have to toe the party line. But this man seems to know what he's talking about. He understands how democracy works and values the independence of the judiciary and media. However I feel it might be too little too late for the ANC to remain relevant. His comrades have wrecked havoc so much that we need we need an overhaul on everything. Don't get me wrong there are some good things happening in our country and the medium term budget delivered by Gordhan last week shows we still on the right track. But it's the lack of leadership that makes me worry. President Jacob Zuma has done everything in his power to undermine the all state institutions for his own selfish ends. Let's hope Motlanthe and the few sane voices in the ANC actually manage to solve some of the glaring problems we facing.

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-10-29 11:51

    The ANC may have a glorious history in the past by their standards. As a government they have failed miserably to meet the needs of the population and have shown their leaders to be ill equipped to formulate workable policies but are very good at talking and making promises. Whereas self enrichment and leading the good life is their entitlement. Corruption, fraud and crime do not rate high on their agenda, education, health and service delivery is also not a high priority so it seems. The only pity is the uneducated masses who voted for them do not get to know or hear much of the daily occurances and waste of money.

  • parys.fotograaf - 2012-10-29 12:00

    The ANC should not be the main issue, it should be what is good for the country. If that is treated as the main priority, the ANC will simply not take part in any election, at least not until they have gotten rid of all the criminals and power hungry bumpkins inside themselves.

  • chaoticsociety - 2012-10-29 12:02

    It would be wonderful if the ANC could go to the moon and set up a satellite base there: they would be in an excellent position to assess "service delivery" back home as they await food parcels, medical supplies and fresh water delivered on a monthly basis. Will they have a webpage called "mooning"? I can't wait!

  • joyce.beeton - 2012-10-29 12:08

    The best formula the ANC can come up with for the country is to STAND DOWN AND HAND OVER TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT EXPERIENCE! I have a big problem with the fact that millions of voters are totally uneducated, they actually believe that there is an endless supply of money coming from the government and that they are entitled to receive hand-outs and receive everything for nothing. Free education, free housing, free electricity but there is no such thing as "free" anything. Someone pays for it and that someone is the tax-payer. The only way to lift people out of poverty is to educate them and provide skills to those who are not trained in any form of skill - instead of just handing out "grants" people should be trained so that they can be taken off the grant system and start earning a wage. The poor can also contribute by not having children they can ill afford. Having babies that you cannot even feed or look after properly perpetuates the cycle of poverty and is a form of abuse!

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-10-29 12:22

    Got it wrong again, Motlanthe! The anc has tipped over already! That what happens from being moronically lopsided!

  • richard.zanner - 2012-10-29 12:28

    And he believes in the tooth fairy as well.

  • flysouth - 2012-10-29 13:02

    A tipping point? Let us fervently hope it is a tipping point - one which will tip the ANC right off the edge of the cliff into the abyss!

  • luke.dekoker - 2012-10-29 13:47

    Mr. Motlanthe, If you want to come up with a formula that works for this country, please ensure that the CancER movement don't carry on after December.. dissolve it and do not let any of the current serving ever enter parliament again!! Hopefully the "tipping point" will be a sinking ship??

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-10-29 14:00

    Problem is you can have all the policies you want, implementing them is another thing and the ANC has proved they have failed miserably here. New policies etc won't mean a damn thing as long as you don't get rid of the corrupt officials bending and breaking the policies to suit them and getting away with it.

  • george.outremer - 2012-10-29 14:41

    Another so-called leader who is clueless about what is really needed. Stop all the BS talk about the need for formulas and policies (which you know nothing about) and tell us what you are DOING to make things right. I am so sick and tired of reading what you and the rest of your team are THINKING of doing.

  • zenithdolphin - 2012-10-29 15:15

    ba ba black sheep have you any wool?

  • oscars.placeguesthouse - 2012-10-29 15:29

    This is unbelievable! What have they been doing all these years? While being paid excessive salaries funded by our taxes. I have a wonderful lady helping me in my guesthouse, and she HATES the ANC. She claims that for ordinary black people, conditions were BETTER during the apartheid years! This shocked me. Our beautiful country is being destroyed and we have to sit by and watch! Please Mr and Ms Ministers, wake up and see what you are doing!

  • ally.oh.7 - 2012-10-29 15:32

    The ANC cannot fix what it has broken -- it has totally stuffed up its chance of governing this country.

  • craig.thom.376 - 2012-10-29 16:50

    At this stage of the game,I am certain that there is no gameplan,has never been one and if there was one,no one had the ability to implement it.

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