Mangaung race gathers pace

2012-10-09 22:41

Johannesburg - Three provincial ANC branches support President Jacob Zuma serving a second term as the party's president, while two favour Kgalema Motlanthe.

Four provinces had not officially made known their choices by Tuesday.

The African National Congress in the Eastern Cape, North West and Mpumalanga are in favour of Zuma being re-elected as president at the party's national conference in Mangaung in December.

Gauteng and Limpopo would rather have his deputy, Motlanthe, as president.

The Western Cape, Free State, Northern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal have not yet made clear their recommendations.

The nomination of candidates for the ANC's top leadership positions opened at the beginning of the month.

Branches are the first to decide their preferred nominees. They then hold nomination conferences to determine their final submission to the ANC's electoral commission.

Continuity with change

KwaZulu-Natal will send the most delegates to the national conference - 974 out of the total of 4 500 delegates.

The KwaZulu-Natal provincial executive committee (PEC) has not yet announced its Mangaung wishlist. However, it is the home province of Zuma.

The province holds its nominating conference on 24 November.

The second biggest province, the Eastern Cape, will send 676 delegates to the conference.

Spokesperson Mlibo Qoboshiyane said: "We are for continuity with change."

With Zuma as leader, the party favoured Motlanthe to stay on for another term as deputy president.

"But if he is standing as president, we are prepared to agree on the deputy president being one of the most known businesspeople... Cyril Ramaphosa," Qoboshiyane said.

The province wanted Baleka Mbete to serve again as chairperson, and Gwede Mantashe as secretary general.

Jessie Duarte should be elected deputy secretary general while Naledi Pandor should be treasurer general, he said.

"All our regions have pronounced, and taken the same decision... the majority of our regions agree," Qoboshiyane said.

Branch general meetings should be concluded by 20 November.

Flexible leaders

Limpopo, with 574 delegates, wants Motlanthe for president, Tokyo Sexwale for deputy president and Fikile Mbalula for secretary general.

The province recommended that Thandi Modise retain her position as deputy secretary general, and that Mathews Phosa stay on as treasurer general. The position of chairperson should go to Thenjiwe Mtintso.

The Gauteng ANC supports Febe Potgieter as deputy secretary general and Paul Mashatile as treasurer general.

The province could not agree on the other positions. It recommended both Sexwale and Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma for deputy president, Joel Netshitenzhe and Mantashe for secretary general, and Modise or Pandor for chairperson.

Gauteng will send 500 delegates.

Mpumalanga, with 467 delegates, resolved to nominate leadership "in touch with the people, accessible, and flexible".

It favours keeping Zuma, Mbete and Mantashe in their current positions.

The province has put forward the names of Ramaphosa for deputy president, Duarte as deputy secretary general and KwaZulu-Natal premier Zweli Mkhize as treasurer general.

The Free State, which will send 324 delegates, has not yet made known its choice. The Mail&Guardian reported that it supported Zuma.

The ANC North West PEC called for the status quo to be maintained among the top six national executive committee members.

The province will have 234 voting delegates.

Yet to decide

The ANC in the Western Cape had not yet decided who to nominate, according to provincial chairperson Marius Fransman.

The PEC would meet on Wednesday to discuss "both a policy and a name discussion", and talks on the "type of leadership" required for that policy, he said.

Fransman was quoted in the Cape Times last Tuesday as saying that he personally believed Zuma should serve a second term and that he was not supporting radical leadership change.

However, he told Sapa the ultimate goal was to "show cohesion, and not speculate".

ANC branches in the Northern Cape would discuss their nominations this weekend, said spokesperson Gail Parker.

The province, with 176 voting delegates, would announce its choices only after the branches had made their nominations.

Parker said the provincial leadership would try to maintain unity and cohesion in the ANC in the province.

"We would ask branches not to compromise unity within the Northern Cape ANC when making decisions on leadership nominations."

The ANC Youth League will send 45 delegates to Mangaung to vote for Motlanthe as president and Mbalula as secretary general.

It favours either Phosa or Sexwale for deputy president. Sexwale could also be nominated as treasurer general.

The names of Modise, Mashatile, and Mtintso were also put forward.

ANCWL backs Zuma

Seven of the nine provincial ANC Woman's Leagues want Zuma for another five years.

The Women's Leagues in Gauteng and Limpopo have not yet decided who they will nominate.

The league - with 45 delegates - wants three of the top six ANC officials to be women.

It is not yet clear who the Umkhonto We Sizwe Military Veterans' Association (MKMVA) - with 45 delegates - will back.

The Gauteng branches will back Zuma for a second term, despite pronouncements by its provincial executive that it will remain neutral.

The MKMVA branches' preferred candidate list called for Motlanthe as deputy president, Mbete as chair, and Mantashe as secretary general.

Duarte was named as deputy secretary general. Deputy Correctional Services Minister Ngoako Ramatlhodi was listed as treasurer general. The Veterans' League holds its national conference between 11 - 14 October.

Nominations close at the end of November.

  • Onufry - 2012-10-09 23:34

    Zuma appears to be leading the race, but iirc many ANC stalwarts bowed to King Mbeki until the very days of the conference... Let's wait and see who and what will emerge in December...

      klas_goran - 2012-10-10 08:43

      @Cynical Observer...DonĀ“t you think it would be good for the democratic principle, to be shown working, if there was a change of government?

  • bongane.zwane.948 - 2012-10-09 23:56

    Any party is better then this micky mouse show.

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-10-10 00:10

    This country is in big trouble if Zuma and Mothlantle are the best candidates. Zuma is an embarrasment to SA and Motlantle is the gateway for Idiot Malema to get back with his destructive ways. Sad sad times for SA!

  • Jacques - 2012-10-10 00:23

    Naledi Pandor? You've got to be joking... Also, why is Gauteng not sending the most delegates? Surely as the most densely populated province they represent the biggest chunk of the voting populus, and this should be reflected in how these people are being represented? (Just my opinion, though).

      Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-10 01:46

      lol!!! Gauteng is not the most populated province, most densely populated city yes! but not biggest province by population! that title either goes to EC or KZN as the most populated province. Check Stats SA for the additional info!! Nice read though!!

      Jacques - 2012-10-10 07:11

      Gauteng isn't a city- Johannesburg and Pretoria are both large cities located within the povince's boundaries, making it the most densely populated provence of all 9, even though geographically it's the smallest provence. The other provinces have large rural areas, making them bigger, but not as densely populated. So before you come here with you condesending little 'lols', open a book or two.

      delelani - 2012-10-10 07:53

      It's not about the population, but the functional branches in the population. Gauteng has a lot of DA members, so no surprises there!!!

      rat.thinker - 2012-10-10 08:19

      Gauteng is both most populous as well as highest in pops density. Gauteng 11 328 203 22.39% KwaZulu-Natal 10 819 130 21.39% EC, WS and LP form the next cluster with 10-13% each. Source: However, like delelani said, it's about branches. Interestingly, this is not a unique SA or ANC issue. If you look at electoral college votes in the US presidential elections, you have a similar imbalance due to the college vote count being out of sync with population migration.

      lesego.motsusi - 2012-10-10 09:30

      45% are not ANC

  • Phiwe Mazula'yithole Ximba - 2012-10-10 00:37

    @Siyanda You must go and buy the leaders if u think we ran out leaders in SA

  • dave.kofang - 2012-10-10 00:40

    Its so sad our country's future is being decided by 4500 people while millions of us are just bystanders in all dis madness.Electoral system of our country must be changed as a matter of urgency.

  • dave.kofang - 2012-10-10 00:40

    Its so sad our country's future is being decided by 4500 people while millions of us are just bystanders in all dis madness.Electoral system of our country must be changed as a matter of urgency.

      Paul Van Schalkwyk - 2012-10-10 04:51

      banana republic ! where do they finds these bananas ?!?!? eish

      raj.morar.1 - 2012-10-10 14:15

      It need not be sad. If you want to vote for the President of the ANC and country, its simple, join the ANC. You dont find non ANC members crying out when other party members elect their leaders. One example, Cape Town. The DA elected their leader, won the province, then appointed their leader as Premier. They had every right to do so, likewise, the members of the ANC WILL elect their own leadership.

  • reba.moroeng - 2012-10-10 00:41

    The top leadership of the ANC is reflective of the members at grass-root level in character,aspirations,education etc. As far as i know,the ANC doesn't prevent anyone from joining it so if people want to have a say on policy and leadership, why not join it en-mass so your voices can be heard with-in the party structures? It's all a numbers game and the more people from across all classes and races join, the more the views and interests that will have to be taken into account in policy discussions. Imagine if instead of just over a million people deciding who (by default of being the ANC president) will be president of SA, we had 22 million or more. Just a thought.

  • jack.oosthuysen - 2012-10-10 01:15

    And most Americans believe they have the 2 worst candidates. Whoever wins this nomination will once again be unworthy as a leader.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-10 01:50

    hehehehehehehe!!!!!! I'm reading all these comments and I can't help but to laugh!!! if one reads these comments one would think that the whole country is against the president JZ getting 2nd term, but the comments expressed in such social platforms is the views of a really tiny minority who have smart fones and internet at home!! But the majority of the masses will vote for Zuma!! we know its coming, we are out numbered here 10:1 lets leave or live with it!!!

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-10 01:55

    Zuma will get 2nd term because there's no one in the ANC who's willing to step forward and say they will challenge Zuma for the position!!! I'm really disappointed with Kgalema, I thought he would step up to the plate and announce his candidacy for the position but he doesn't!!! So in the absence of a challenger Zuma will lead once again!!!! sad indeed!!!

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-10 02:00

    If Zuma mazoomba becomes the president AGAIN, I swear I will leave this country I'm going to Australia i promise you I'm leaving!!!! This blatant looting of state funds for private accommodation is a last straw for me!!! Can't deal with this anymore!!

      thabani.alfred - 2012-10-10 07:28

      Leave 4 all we care boet!!surely SA won't miss u n beter of without black bt white ppl lk u.

      nhlakaniphog1 - 2012-10-10 08:09

      Leave peaceful Tshepo, we will not miss you. In fact you are not the first to leave, since 94 disgruntled have been leaving SA

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-10 02:06

    If Zuma becomes a president for the 2nd term!? he would probably take another wife or two just for the fun of it, at the tax payers expense!! and probably the Nkandla village will not be enough for him anymore or by that time security will not be adequate so it would need another R200m upgrade!!! disaster!!!!!!!

  • joseph.mantsoe - 2012-10-10 04:33

    It's about time 4 Kgalema to step forward n challenge Zuma 4presidency otherwise Zuma will get another term, Stand up and be man enough don't hesitate time is running out.

      fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-10-10 05:42

      to late Joseph, looks like the people in SA like to sit without services and see how JZ spends billions on his private residence.

  • siphom.mnguni - 2012-10-10 05:01

    I'm quite amazed by this ignorance that 4500 ANC delegates decides which party rules the country. Let me try and correct this incorrect misconception. But, please, hear me out. I am not being sanctimonious here. The delegates make their choices as to who lead the ANC, ok! The voters at the polling booths decides which party could better serve their hopes and aspirations. There so many parties to choose from not only the ANC. And no-one is compelled to vote a certain party. So why the hysteria?

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-10-10 05:40

    the political seen will stay the same after all, corrupt and out of touch with reality.

  • Michael - 2012-10-10 05:43

    This article is not up to date.

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-10-10 05:54

    Its clear that shower man will get a 2nd term, but those who want leadership continuaty for the sake of unity are misleading the anc members, how can they unite the organization whereas they have fail to do so in their 1st term in the office.

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-10-10 05:54

    Its clear that shower man will get a 2nd term, but those who want leadership continuaty for the sake of unity are misleading the anc members, how can they unite the organization whereas they have fail to do so in their 1st term in the office.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-10-10 06:03

    I dont have a problem with the ANC,but from whats happening to SA,theres a problem with it!

  • bongani.nzimande - 2012-10-10 06:04

    Wonder y they not including Mr Trevor Manuel....

      roiyen - 2012-10-10 07:17

      Its because the ANC and its racist members would rather see criminals leading the party than a man who's skin colour is not as dark as theirs. Manuel is by far the best option. I'm sure he will manage to take us back to the glorious 6-7% growth days. But the gloomy truth is that we will never be able to move\r\nforward united as a country whilst the majority of voters still vote for politicians based on their political, racial or tribal background. We need to bring change ourselves and actualy start voting for candidates based on their performances and achievements.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-10-10 07:42

      Agree Roiyen to stand united is the key to a successful progressive land. @Bongani, Trevor Manuel is an excellent candidate, but we know the \why nots\. What I don't get is that he (Manuel) is a black man who was in the front-line during the struggle for freedom, So I don't see why he cannot be nominated for the presidency. We really need a change in leadership for the sake of our future and that of our kids.

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-10-10 10:55

      because Mr Manuel is a very intellegant individual and they don't like that

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-10-10 06:19

    The struggle for the values ,equal rights and freedom that your forefathers fought for, are not evident.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-10-10 06:47

      Not even funny anymore, the country is fed to rabid dogs and hyenas. Thambos and Sisulus must be turning in their graves.

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-10-10 07:19

    Mbeki did well in his second term than in the first. However in his first term he laid a firm foundation as the basis for his success. For zuma it might be an opportunity to remedy the damage in his first tenure. The point of departure could be getting rid of long time friends and allies. Also his commitment on those kzn traditional gatherings are not a good advert of a presidency.

      valkyriaza - 2012-10-10 10:17

      A decent idea, but so far no evidence that Zuma will consider making those type of decisions. It feels like the whole Zuma camp is desperate to have the last great feed at the gravy train before they're ousted. The scary part of course, is that despite all that greed the likes of Malema and co. are so much worse.

      mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-10-10 14:44

      I hear your point and i think that is why the NEC is no longer neutral these days. His office does not have any intergrity nor respected.

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-10-10 07:29

    Recent Survey conducted who the populat choice of leadership was in the ANC, the scariest thing is when electroral rep are not in touch with the people and expect them to vote for the party in the next election. Those who still wants Zuma, probably still think of the ccokie jar for another five yearsan not the will of the people.

      J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-10-10 07:57

      Spot on!

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-10 07:49

    lets hope that there will be no water bottles thrown around in mangaung.

  • abdulbaith.sayegh - 2012-10-10 07:51

    I feel really sorry for you South Africans. You need to save yourselves.

  • edgar.mooi - 2012-10-10 08:05

    Ramaphosa is more minded matured more dn zuma and mothlante combined as one .he cn run ds country better. How cn u take a guy clever than the presdent and make him deputy ? Leave him as chairperson of disciplinary commit he dnt fear an he knows the constitution better.

      valkyriaza - 2012-10-10 10:19

      Ramaphosa keeps his theft hidden. He is just as greedy as the rest pf them, the Lonmin strike facts mentioned his name more than once and not in a complimentary way either,

  • ariba.jub - 2012-10-10 08:09

    Sorry Juju you are in for a hiding it seems JZ is winning.Radica changes are dangerous next time Juju smel the coffee.

  • Mkhululi Yekani - 2012-10-10 08:22

    Lets go JZ!! I wld rather hav JZ than motlanthe who support the lost malema and youth of 2day!! He cum out sayng axng malema was wrong, while he was there, he was in the same leadership, if we want a change lets destroy the whole top 6 dat wil b a change.

  • Mkhululi Yekani - 2012-10-10 08:22

    Lets go JZ!! I wld rather hav JZ than motlanthe who support the lost malema and youth of 2day!! He cum out sayng axng malema was wrong, while he was there, he was in the same leadership, if we want a change lets destroy the whole top 6 dat wil b a change.

  • david.makola.3 - 2012-10-10 08:23

    obviously the ANC thinks there's nothing wrong with their charasmatic moron Zuma. Most us beg to differ, and we might just vote for DA, put the power back to white supremacy. I do not see myself voting again for blatant corruption and maladministration,gatvol.

      talana.malherbe - 2012-10-10 09:24

      I get what you are saying David but by voting DA do it because you feel they are the right party to lead us. \White supremacy\ is a nasty nasty word and believe me most white people hate it. I shall vote irrespective of the race or colour of the person leading that party, as long as you and I have a better life.

  • musawakhe.ngubane - 2012-10-10 09:22

    We, as members of the ANC, will be electing leadership in Mangaung. Only ANC members, elected by their branches qualify to vote. Our leadership is not elected in website like this one. I believe those who belong to the micky-mouse parties do have a chance to vote for their leaders, or some just receive orders regarding leadership. We in the ANC have been having conferences for leadership elections (hence this is the 53rd). Our mandate is clear, we will not be distracted by counter-revolutionaries. We will not elect money comrades (hyenas) who will be manipulated by my former comrade (Malema). All ANC members in good standing are free for stand for leadership elections. Be warned my dear comrades: never commit political suicide! Second term, Mangaung here we come!

  • SpAceBeatz - 2012-10-10 09:51

    Let the race begin, as it is on we do not want to see what happened to former president Mbeki happen again after Mangaung as that will disturb the progress and service deliveries to the poor South African citizens due to party fights for positions. If current president is good so let it be him again, let him finish the work he started again if he is not good too he must go as early as possible to avoid more and serious damages to this country, ANC as ruling party must know is for us all and not their families and friends we all as citizens of this country want to get something out of countries resources and benefit too, if not let those who can make all of us benefit took the baton and lead this country.This is not an individual asset it is for all of ours.

  • Melusi - 2012-10-10 09:58

    Viva continuity with change, Zuma the man, Malema to the wilderness.

  • mzwakheblackie - 2012-10-10 10:17

    malema is no good for our Rainbow nation

  • dave.robbins.3344 - 2012-10-10 10:40

    I still think that it is sad that we as voters have no say, apart from electing councillors, with who is elected MP, President, etc. Taking the USA as an example, each voter personally selects a President, Senator, Representative and Governor, and I haven't even got into District Attorney, Sheriff territory yet! We are divorced from our political system by the "Party List" - I still think that most of the MPs are a useless bunch, and the Provinicial crowd are not much better. Time to go back to constituencies, I think.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-10 13:14

    Its going to be a toss between the King of Nkandla and the Silent fence sitter. It just depends on Seize-All which side of the fence the silent fence sitting will fall. Either way, both are not good choices. At the moment we need somebody with the balls to take over and throw out all the rotten garbage that is collecting in high places.

  • phillip.phogole - 2012-10-10 14:54

    It is wrong to have two canditate from the same province,like Mining shareholder Mbethe,Zuma showerhead

  • phillip.phogole - 2012-10-10 14:56

    Zulu are incharge,so we must not vote Zuma 2014

  • moses.m.masilela - 2012-10-11 21:09

    I'm in kzn from gauteng, if delegates here vote for zuma, they are doomed because zuma hasn't done anything as this place continues to suffer from poverty and lack education. yet nkandla is being developed for millions my finger can't even count! i call for all delegates to support kgalema and gwede for presidency and secretary gen respectively.

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